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htohep | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Is drawing 4 hours a week OK to improve? Since I have a busy schedule, I can only draw on the weekends. Sometimes I spend the whole day drawing as it's pretty relaxing. But I made it a habit to draw 2 hours at "least". I used to draw 1-2 hours everyday. So I'm scared if I fall behind. | fyjt8qc | fyirl3u | 1,595,158,299 | 1,595,124,755 | 15 | 12 | I don't think time is the most definitive factor. I drew countless hours and didn't learn anything and yet when I really try to understand something mindfully, I improve very very quickly. | It certainly can be enough. But it will take a bit of discipline to practice effectively. It will be important to use that time to not only work on the basics, but also make time to try things that push your skill level so you don't end up spinning your wheels and seeing little or no progress. This is important whether your practicing 4 hours a week, or 24 hours. But the less time, the more care is needed to make sure your get a good mix of both in. | 1 | 33,544 | 1.25 | ||
htohep | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Is drawing 4 hours a week OK to improve? Since I have a busy schedule, I can only draw on the weekends. Sometimes I spend the whole day drawing as it's pretty relaxing. But I made it a habit to draw 2 hours at "least". I used to draw 1-2 hours everyday. So I'm scared if I fall behind. | fyj25ds | fyjt8qc | 1,595,131,990 | 1,595,158,299 | 11 | 15 | You can also do a 10 minute a day doodle. It will at least keep your mind in the groove and your hand/wrist/arm will develop as well as your eye. Especially when you look forward to it all day and have something in mind | I don't think time is the most definitive factor. I drew countless hours and didn't learn anything and yet when I really try to understand something mindfully, I improve very very quickly. | 0 | 26,309 | 1.363636 | ||
htohep | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Is drawing 4 hours a week OK to improve? Since I have a busy schedule, I can only draw on the weekends. Sometimes I spend the whole day drawing as it's pretty relaxing. But I made it a habit to draw 2 hours at "least". I used to draw 1-2 hours everyday. So I'm scared if I fall behind. | fyiavxv | fyjt8qc | 1,595,114,196 | 1,595,158,299 | 7 | 15 | I tried to draw every day when I started, and I mostly made a routine out of it, and I fell out of the rhythm but drew intensively for a few hours every few days, and that kind of still works for me. I stopped drawing when I don't feel like it and instead try to pump up myself what exciting things I'm going to draw next. | I don't think time is the most definitive factor. I drew countless hours and didn't learn anything and yet when I really try to understand something mindfully, I improve very very quickly. | 0 | 44,103 | 2.142857 | ||
htohep | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Is drawing 4 hours a week OK to improve? Since I have a busy schedule, I can only draw on the weekends. Sometimes I spend the whole day drawing as it's pretty relaxing. But I made it a habit to draw 2 hours at "least". I used to draw 1-2 hours everyday. So I'm scared if I fall behind. | fyj7lah | fyjt8qc | 1,595,136,250 | 1,595,158,299 | 6 | 15 | Same here, not getting time to draw daily and it is so so frustating... But I guess we have to start taking out time for living and for creative people it is usually what they enjoy doing the most... until we strt having earning through artworks a norm, we will have to keep struggling to juggle between our jobs and our creative passions because the world decided it will work basis a printed piece of paper it calls currency! | I don't think time is the most definitive factor. I drew countless hours and didn't learn anything and yet when I really try to understand something mindfully, I improve very very quickly. | 0 | 22,049 | 2.5 | ||
htohep | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Is drawing 4 hours a week OK to improve? Since I have a busy schedule, I can only draw on the weekends. Sometimes I spend the whole day drawing as it's pretty relaxing. But I made it a habit to draw 2 hours at "least". I used to draw 1-2 hours everyday. So I'm scared if I fall behind. | fyjsot6 | fyjt8qc | 1,595,157,812 | 1,595,158,299 | 5 | 15 | It depends on what you want to achieve, if you want to grow your skill, sure, it can be "enough". If you want to become a professional and compete with other people, i don't think that's enough, not at all. There are people out there doing it for 10h/day for years and years, you will never be able to reach that level without praticing A LOT. There are not "gifted" people who can magically draw without the knowledge or pratice, that's sad but in the end it's the truth. | I don't think time is the most definitive factor. I drew countless hours and didn't learn anything and yet when I really try to understand something mindfully, I improve very very quickly. | 0 | 487 | 3 | ||
htohep | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Is drawing 4 hours a week OK to improve? Since I have a busy schedule, I can only draw on the weekends. Sometimes I spend the whole day drawing as it's pretty relaxing. But I made it a habit to draw 2 hours at "least". I used to draw 1-2 hours everyday. So I'm scared if I fall behind. | fyirl3u | fyiavxv | 1,595,124,755 | 1,595,114,196 | 12 | 7 | It certainly can be enough. But it will take a bit of discipline to practice effectively. It will be important to use that time to not only work on the basics, but also make time to try things that push your skill level so you don't end up spinning your wheels and seeing little or no progress. This is important whether your practicing 4 hours a week, or 24 hours. But the less time, the more care is needed to make sure your get a good mix of both in. | I tried to draw every day when I started, and I mostly made a routine out of it, and I fell out of the rhythm but drew intensively for a few hours every few days, and that kind of still works for me. I stopped drawing when I don't feel like it and instead try to pump up myself what exciting things I'm going to draw next. | 1 | 10,559 | 1.714286 | ||
htohep | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Is drawing 4 hours a week OK to improve? Since I have a busy schedule, I can only draw on the weekends. Sometimes I spend the whole day drawing as it's pretty relaxing. But I made it a habit to draw 2 hours at "least". I used to draw 1-2 hours everyday. So I'm scared if I fall behind. | fyj25ds | fyiavxv | 1,595,131,990 | 1,595,114,196 | 11 | 7 | You can also do a 10 minute a day doodle. It will at least keep your mind in the groove and your hand/wrist/arm will develop as well as your eye. Especially when you look forward to it all day and have something in mind | I tried to draw every day when I started, and I mostly made a routine out of it, and I fell out of the rhythm but drew intensively for a few hours every few days, and that kind of still works for me. I stopped drawing when I don't feel like it and instead try to pump up myself what exciting things I'm going to draw next. | 1 | 17,794 | 1.571429 | ||
htohep | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Is drawing 4 hours a week OK to improve? Since I have a busy schedule, I can only draw on the weekends. Sometimes I spend the whole day drawing as it's pretty relaxing. But I made it a habit to draw 2 hours at "least". I used to draw 1-2 hours everyday. So I'm scared if I fall behind. | fyiavxv | fyjzdqm | 1,595,114,196 | 1,595,163,725 | 7 | 8 | I tried to draw every day when I started, and I mostly made a routine out of it, and I fell out of the rhythm but drew intensively for a few hours every few days, and that kind of still works for me. I stopped drawing when I don't feel like it and instead try to pump up myself what exciting things I'm going to draw next. | I think it's better to draw consistently everyday than a lot once a week even if your sessions are shorter | 0 | 49,529 | 1.142857 | ||
htohep | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Is drawing 4 hours a week OK to improve? Since I have a busy schedule, I can only draw on the weekends. Sometimes I spend the whole day drawing as it's pretty relaxing. But I made it a habit to draw 2 hours at "least". I used to draw 1-2 hours everyday. So I'm scared if I fall behind. | fyj7lah | fyjzdqm | 1,595,136,250 | 1,595,163,725 | 6 | 8 | Same here, not getting time to draw daily and it is so so frustating... But I guess we have to start taking out time for living and for creative people it is usually what they enjoy doing the most... until we strt having earning through artworks a norm, we will have to keep struggling to juggle between our jobs and our creative passions because the world decided it will work basis a printed piece of paper it calls currency! | I think it's better to draw consistently everyday than a lot once a week even if your sessions are shorter | 0 | 27,475 | 1.333333 | ||
htohep | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Is drawing 4 hours a week OK to improve? Since I have a busy schedule, I can only draw on the weekends. Sometimes I spend the whole day drawing as it's pretty relaxing. But I made it a habit to draw 2 hours at "least". I used to draw 1-2 hours everyday. So I'm scared if I fall behind. | fyjsot6 | fyjzdqm | 1,595,157,812 | 1,595,163,725 | 5 | 8 | It depends on what you want to achieve, if you want to grow your skill, sure, it can be "enough". If you want to become a professional and compete with other people, i don't think that's enough, not at all. There are people out there doing it for 10h/day for years and years, you will never be able to reach that level without praticing A LOT. There are not "gifted" people who can magically draw without the knowledge or pratice, that's sad but in the end it's the truth. | I think it's better to draw consistently everyday than a lot once a week even if your sessions are shorter | 0 | 5,913 | 1.6 | ||
htohep | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Is drawing 4 hours a week OK to improve? Since I have a busy schedule, I can only draw on the weekends. Sometimes I spend the whole day drawing as it's pretty relaxing. But I made it a habit to draw 2 hours at "least". I used to draw 1-2 hours everyday. So I'm scared if I fall behind. | fyjzdqm | fyjywdu | 1,595,163,725 | 1,595,163,356 | 8 | 3 | I think it's better to draw consistently everyday than a lot once a week even if your sessions are shorter | Learning more is better than drawing more | 1 | 369 | 2.666667 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hayxvrq | hazsbe0 | 1,630,354,097 | 1,630,367,455 | -16 | 1 | Welcome to the world of free art resources. If you want to learn truly from the beginning, you will have to pay for real art classes, like Art School from Mark Brunet, or paid courses from Proko. | I think this post is getting a little out of hand. OP has received feedback and opinions from a variety of different people, so I'm going to lock this post and the other related one, How are you people THIS good at Organic Texture? I did however want to respond to this comment in the other thread, and wanted to do so in a way that others could benefit from the information I shared (since it otherwise would have been buried). --- That's all pretty normal, whether one has aphantasia or not - it's because there's a difference between being able to identify something when seeing it (which requires very little information, where our brain is able to fill in the gaps with vague nonsense), and being able to understand something deeply enough to be able to reproduce it on a page. At the end of the day, the things you've been saying throughout the day all point to one major thing - you're working from a lot of very strong, unwavering assumptions, based on your own deductions. But they are still assumptions, and many of them are not correct. For example, you have very strong ideas of what it means to draw from one's imagination, but you reiterate the same misconceptions all beginners have, while declaring your case to be unique. "Drawing from imagination" has three components to it: * One of them is the imagination itself - that is, just ideas. That's not tied to the ability to see those ideas in one's head (be it clearly or otherwise), just the ability to have a thought. Beginners have vague, underdeveloped thoughts - or rather, they don't know how to push beyond that stage, and worse still they have trouble identifying the ideas they have. As I've explained in a few videos, they have a tendency to just throw ideas out without even realizing it, because they automatically filter based on what they think they might be able to draw well, and what they can't. Those with more experience, who've forced themselves to look at and attempt to execute their drawings (which is a frustrating thing, rather than an enjoyable one), learn over time how to explore their ideas to greater levels of depth and detail. * Another is simply a matter of technical skill - the sort of thing we learn from lessons/exercises. In particular, the ability to manipulate forms in 3D space, to turn them around and combine them to build up the things we want to draw. * The last is what is called a "visual library" - an archive in our heads of visual information (whether we perceive it visually or not), that we build up by doing actual studies. A study itself is a drawing exercise where we draw something from life or reference in order to try and understand aspects of it - be it how it can be broken down into simple forms, what kinds of textures it's made of, etc. Simply looking at something is not enough to glean useful information - it is through the act if actually breaking it down and attempting to draw it that we learn, bit by bit, what actually makes up that object. And, bit by bit once again, that information gets tucked away in our brains, and becomes fodder for us to use when drawing from our imaginations. Sometimes it's only enough to make us aware of certain kinds of components - which we then have to look for reference of in order to use it effectively - and other times we'll be able to remember and understand more detail from memory alone. These are all things that take time and work to develop. The students who take this course - those who actually follow the instructions to the letter, rather than picking and choosing what they feel suits them - set off to do that work, despite the fact that it is often frustrating and challenging. Despite the fact that it has them producing work that they frequently feel the urge to crumple up. You talk about the 50% rule like you're expected to enjoy it - that is very much not the case. It is not "do the things that make you happy", but rather "**do this until you stockholm syndrome yourself into enjoying it, because you sure as hell won't enjoy it right off the bat**". Drawabox is a course that evolves continuously, and has done over the last several years. It's not a perfect thing, and I am not a perfect teacher. My students - those who pay to receive official feedback and help support the course for all those who use it for free - are, in a sense, guinea pigs. It is through critiquing thousands of their submissions that I identify things that are very clearly not being conveyed well enough, and that need to be updated. Sometimes those updates are more minimal tweaks, but there are others that require more planning and preparation - like the overhaul of the video content I started in Spring, which was unfortunately paused until the fall due to my apartment flooding, followed by my having to leave town to help family. I have however learned that over the years, the feedback of a single individual is never sufficient data upon which to change things. You can't guarantee that a single individual is following the instructions to the letter, that they're taking their time, that they're using all of the resources available to them, etc. Required changes need to be identified based on trends and statistics, on sample sizes far greater than individual outliers. Students are still welcome to post their gripes and critiques of the course here in this community, and discuss it on our discord - but I will state one thing very clearly. **If you aren't following the course to the letter (or at least trying to - it's normal to misunderstand or miss things), you cannot hold the course nor its community responsible for the issues you may encounter**. Furthermore, there are plenty of things we ask students to do that seem counter-productive earlier in the course, but makes a hell of a lot more sense for those who are nearing the end. That doesn't mean those at the end wouldn't have thoughts on what didn't end up being useful to them - but that they're in a much greater position to share those thoughts than those who are still early on in the process. --- Anyway, as previously mentioned - I'm locking the two threads so things don't get out of hand. | 0 | 13,358 | -0.0625 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hazp1eu | haywhbi | 1,630,365,915 | 1,630,353,519 | 28 | 21 | I do draw a box concurrently with "the art and science of drawing," on skillshare, I think they cover each other's weaknesses. Drawabox gives tools to study art, Eviston gives you ways to use them. Drawabox gets you real good at boxes, art and science shows you how to use a box to draw a coffee cup handle. | I don't mean this to be offensive, but this critique seems a bit immature. The course is free. If ads are a problem for you, consider an ad blocker. The techniques and practices used in the course have a demonstrated history of success. Uncomfortable didn't invent this stuff, he just packaged it up nicely in an organized format. > I dont believe this course teaches you anything. ...what? It teaches you how to draw a box. It teaches about why practice is important in developing skills. It teaches proper techniques and tools, and it teaches how to apply them. Is this your first foray into any sort of art? Watching a video or reading a book about how to play guitar won't teach you how to play guitar. It tells you some information and how to use it, and then you learn to play by combination of studying this information and applying it, by practicing. Drawing is no different. | 1 | 12,396 | 1.333333 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hazp1eu | haz3wrw | 1,630,365,915 | 1,630,356,599 | 28 | 21 | I do draw a box concurrently with "the art and science of drawing," on skillshare, I think they cover each other's weaknesses. Drawabox gives tools to study art, Eviston gives you ways to use them. Drawabox gets you real good at boxes, art and science shows you how to use a box to draw a coffee cup handle. | I guess its not for you. The purpose of the course is to see through objects in space, steady your hands and focus so that further down the road you can use your imagination and make believable images/stories. Its turning space in your mind and even the paid courses will start off like this. Nothing wrong with being a hobbyist, but this crit on the program isn't something I agree with. People are paying thousands in school and classes for what the owner of the program is doing for free. Its up to you to determine how to keep pushing after the basics. There is just no one screaming over your shoulder that 'its wrong' Perspective is used in everything we draw and learn, even that flat line on that paper. | 1 | 9,316 | 1.333333 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hazp1eu | haz00fl | 1,630,365,915 | 1,630,354,979 | 28 | 18 | I do draw a box concurrently with "the art and science of drawing," on skillshare, I think they cover each other's weaknesses. Drawabox gives tools to study art, Eviston gives you ways to use them. Drawabox gets you real good at boxes, art and science shows you how to use a box to draw a coffee cup handle. | OP, do your homework, and you will get your results. https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/pemcqc/how\_are\_you\_people\_this\_good\_at\_organic\_texture/ TLDR: OP didnt do the 250 box challenge (the namesake of the course) and wondering why he's not getting results. | 1 | 10,936 | 1.555556 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hazp1eu | hayvenf | 1,630,365,915 | 1,630,353,083 | 28 | 15 | I do draw a box concurrently with "the art and science of drawing," on skillshare, I think they cover each other's weaknesses. Drawabox gives tools to study art, Eviston gives you ways to use them. Drawabox gets you real good at boxes, art and science shows you how to use a box to draw a coffee cup handle. | Honestly, I typed out a fairly wordy response to each point but towards the end most of your points boil down to this: drawabox isn't for you. It doesn't seem to be how you learn or how you \*want\* to learn. I don't think any of these points are inherently issues with drawabox. All the points stem from drawabox not being structured to how you learn best, which is fine. Not everyone learns the same, and drawabox won't be for everyone. | 1 | 12,832 | 1.866667 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hazp1eu | hazkkv8 | 1,630,365,915 | 1,630,363,885 | 28 | 13 | I do draw a box concurrently with "the art and science of drawing," on skillshare, I think they cover each other's weaknesses. Drawabox gives tools to study art, Eviston gives you ways to use them. Drawabox gets you real good at boxes, art and science shows you how to use a box to draw a coffee cup handle. | OP i hope you read this long post. I'll start by saying that I've only done lesson 0 and most of lesson 1. My previous experience with art was elementary and highschool classes (not the advanced type). I was taught by high school teachers who had us do fun projects and taught us surface level art concepts. I stopped drawing in 2008 then started up again in 2019. I tried just drawing whatever out of imagination (didn't go well), tried to draw from reference (didn't go well). Until I started taking random YouTube tutorials here and there and then joined skillshare and followed a couple of classes. But even as i was getting better i noticed one MAJOR FLAW. Everything i drew would look flat. I couldn't translate the volume i saw in a picture or in real life on to paper. I decided to do DaB because the main objective of it is to teach the student to be able to see a 3D space on a 2D paper. Here are my counter points to the OP: 1. I think the acknowledgement of people quitting can be seen every time uncomfortable says "don't grind", "don't worry about making it look perfect". Grinding excesices and worrying about perfection is stressful and burns out students. I think feedback is great when it's accompanied with ideas for a solution. It's possible that having a "DaB LITE" course could be a good idea, but what do you think you need as an introduction to DaB? What is DaB missing? 2. As soon as I read through lesson 0 i KNEW that DaB is no joke and I just need to take it seriously and put all my effort in the exercises. So when I take 30 minutes out of my day to do the work I make sure I'm focused. I think you might get the sense that people taking DaB are well put together and ready for the challenge because they are!! It only takes reading lesson 0 to get anyone on that head space. Maybe you could read it again to refresh your mind with the purpose and expectations of the course. As mentioned on lesson 0 this course is meant for two types of people ABSOLUTE BEGINNERS and self taught artists. From your post i gather you are a beginner. That's great then! This course is for you. Sure some people have had more time working on their crafts. Don't look at them!! Comparing your work with theirs is the worst thing you can do. Compare your old work to your new work. If straight and confident lines where looking bad at first try the excesices again now to see if you've gotten better. 3. Uncomfortable is just letting you know that it's ok to not be good at the excesices. It's not about being perfect it's about practicing the concepts and getting better over time. If anything, any time uncomfortable says that you suck you should see it as permission to not be perfect. (btw i haven't noticed this language in lesson 0 or 1... Does he say this in lesson 2??). When I hear "most likely you won't get it perfect" i think to myself "all right, I'll do my best but i won't dwell on my mistakes". Try thinking this way instead. 4. I've only gotten 1 ad at the start of a video and then nothing. So odd, right? Maybe your country or region has more adds? You could try an add blocker if they bug you that much. Or take them as a short break and stretch for the few second the ad is running. 5.i don't think DaB is meant to teach you how to draw. Again I'm only on lesson 1.... My understanding is that DaB is meant to teach you how to see a 3D space on a 2D paper. What's great about DaB is that anyone can learn to draw a bow. I'm glad the program is not called Draw a Human. That would be too hard and I would be stuck trying to learn about anatomy instead of absorbing the real lesson: PERSPECTIVE. The course starts with the absolute basics of making a mark (confident stokes, straight lines, ellipses, boxes). Then gets you learning the complex concept of perspective with those basics. As mentioned in lesson 1, if you can apply perspective to a box, that means you can visualize the perspective and then fit any object within that box. So most likely you CAN apply perspective to any object. Regarding textures: if you are a complete beginner i get how drawing textures can be daunting (I'm bad at these too). As mentioned before don't compare your work with others. Maybe take some YouTube tutorials on texture where they go step by step showing you how you go about achieving a texture. Some people record their lesson homework that you might be able to find on YouTube to give you an idea on how they approach achieving a texture. Regarding optional exercises and skipping lesson/homework: i read in the comments that you didn't do the 250 boxes because they are optional. When an instructor tells you "X,Y, Z is optional" it usually means: if you don't want to do it don't, but if you want to get better faster do it. I would recommend not skipping optional homework. Also try not to skip lessons as the course seems to build up on the concepts and techniques studied in previous lessons. I'm such a drag.. jeez... Regarding the 50% rule: take this seriously. Maybe take some tutorials that you find fun or draw from reference or try drawing from imagination. The drawing time that you use for your own stuff (non-homework) do whatever makes you happy. Anyway... I'm glad you will continue the course! And I hope you continue doing lesson 1 warm ups before every new homework you tackle and I hope that at the end of each lesson you evaluate your own progress between when you first started to where you are at that particular moment. Always look back. If you see no change ask for help. But most importantly don't compare your efforts against anyone else's with the thought of "it's pointless" change the thought to "i could do that to if I keep at it". GOOD LUCK! | 1 | 2,030 | 2.153846 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hazlcnx | hazp1eu | 1,630,364,234 | 1,630,365,915 | 14 | 28 | DaB will make more sense when you stop drawing boxes and start applying the ideas on real stuff IMO. Try checking on Google some pages of Michael Hampton's book on Figure Drawing. It starts with boxes and cilinders to create the basic volume of a body before putting the muscles, and when it does, it attaches them on blocks before rounding things up (the deltoid inserts on the wider face of a box while the biceps and triceps go on the thinner front and back sides). Or the Anatomy for Sculptors book that shows in a blocky diagram how the supinator muscle (starts the side of the arm somewhere in between biceps and triceps and connects at the general direction of your thumb) will change its shape depending on the rotation of the forearm. You won't see or draw a proper box on many cases, but the idea of finding "sides" when simplifying things or indicating if an object is leaning forward or backwards happens all the time. | I do draw a box concurrently with "the art and science of drawing," on skillshare, I think they cover each other's weaknesses. Drawabox gives tools to study art, Eviston gives you ways to use them. Drawabox gets you real good at boxes, art and science shows you how to use a box to draw a coffee cup handle. | 0 | 1,681 | 2 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | haz8tcz | hazp1eu | 1,630,358,663 | 1,630,365,915 | 11 | 28 | I have a background in the arts before I went through DaB for fun since working full time in an unrelated industry has made some things rusty. I bring this up because it is relevant to the only part of your post I am interested in focusing on, point 5. I have several hobbies that have pretty sharp learning curves and show little meaningful progress until you spend a significant amount of time on the subject. Drawing for most people experience practice and learning exactly like that. The time spent gives no immediate gratification in most cases so you do not experience the reward of getting better until one day, your skills produce what you would consider reasonable for the amount of time invested. Your point 5 is wrong even if it feels right to you. You are coming from a place that does not have the tool set to evaluate the quality of what you are getting for free. Bringing up my background is relevant here. From 8-12 years old I was in an accelerated program for young artists and my high school years were spent attending an academy to train young artists for professional study. I learned from a lot of great artists during this time period and I can tell you that DaB is a great primer for what you would learn with guided paid study. I know you said you are not going to quit. Good. This is where most people quit. You are not going to be impressed with your work for a long time but if you stay at it one day you will make something that makes you feel good. Just know that day is not tomorrow. | I do draw a box concurrently with "the art and science of drawing," on skillshare, I think they cover each other's weaknesses. Drawabox gives tools to study art, Eviston gives you ways to use them. Drawabox gets you real good at boxes, art and science shows you how to use a box to draw a coffee cup handle. | 0 | 7,252 | 2.545455 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hazp1eu | hayxvrq | 1,630,365,915 | 1,630,354,097 | 28 | -16 | I do draw a box concurrently with "the art and science of drawing," on skillshare, I think they cover each other's weaknesses. Drawabox gives tools to study art, Eviston gives you ways to use them. Drawabox gets you real good at boxes, art and science shows you how to use a box to draw a coffee cup handle. | Welcome to the world of free art resources. If you want to learn truly from the beginning, you will have to pay for real art classes, like Art School from Mark Brunet, or paid courses from Proko. | 1 | 11,818 | -1.75 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | haywhbi | hayvenf | 1,630,353,519 | 1,630,353,083 | 21 | 15 | I don't mean this to be offensive, but this critique seems a bit immature. The course is free. If ads are a problem for you, consider an ad blocker. The techniques and practices used in the course have a demonstrated history of success. Uncomfortable didn't invent this stuff, he just packaged it up nicely in an organized format. > I dont believe this course teaches you anything. ...what? It teaches you how to draw a box. It teaches about why practice is important in developing skills. It teaches proper techniques and tools, and it teaches how to apply them. Is this your first foray into any sort of art? Watching a video or reading a book about how to play guitar won't teach you how to play guitar. It tells you some information and how to use it, and then you learn to play by combination of studying this information and applying it, by practicing. Drawing is no different. | Honestly, I typed out a fairly wordy response to each point but towards the end most of your points boil down to this: drawabox isn't for you. It doesn't seem to be how you learn or how you \*want\* to learn. I don't think any of these points are inherently issues with drawabox. All the points stem from drawabox not being structured to how you learn best, which is fine. Not everyone learns the same, and drawabox won't be for everyone. | 1 | 436 | 1.4 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | haz3wrw | haz00fl | 1,630,356,599 | 1,630,354,979 | 21 | 18 | I guess its not for you. The purpose of the course is to see through objects in space, steady your hands and focus so that further down the road you can use your imagination and make believable images/stories. Its turning space in your mind and even the paid courses will start off like this. Nothing wrong with being a hobbyist, but this crit on the program isn't something I agree with. People are paying thousands in school and classes for what the owner of the program is doing for free. Its up to you to determine how to keep pushing after the basics. There is just no one screaming over your shoulder that 'its wrong' Perspective is used in everything we draw and learn, even that flat line on that paper. | OP, do your homework, and you will get your results. https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/pemcqc/how\_are\_you\_people\_this\_good\_at\_organic\_texture/ TLDR: OP didnt do the 250 box challenge (the namesake of the course) and wondering why he's not getting results. | 1 | 1,620 | 1.166667 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hayvenf | haz3wrw | 1,630,353,083 | 1,630,356,599 | 15 | 21 | Honestly, I typed out a fairly wordy response to each point but towards the end most of your points boil down to this: drawabox isn't for you. It doesn't seem to be how you learn or how you \*want\* to learn. I don't think any of these points are inherently issues with drawabox. All the points stem from drawabox not being structured to how you learn best, which is fine. Not everyone learns the same, and drawabox won't be for everyone. | I guess its not for you. The purpose of the course is to see through objects in space, steady your hands and focus so that further down the road you can use your imagination and make believable images/stories. Its turning space in your mind and even the paid courses will start off like this. Nothing wrong with being a hobbyist, but this crit on the program isn't something I agree with. People are paying thousands in school and classes for what the owner of the program is doing for free. Its up to you to determine how to keep pushing after the basics. There is just no one screaming over your shoulder that 'its wrong' Perspective is used in everything we draw and learn, even that flat line on that paper. | 0 | 3,516 | 1.4 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hayxvrq | haz3wrw | 1,630,354,097 | 1,630,356,599 | -16 | 21 | Welcome to the world of free art resources. If you want to learn truly from the beginning, you will have to pay for real art classes, like Art School from Mark Brunet, or paid courses from Proko. | I guess its not for you. The purpose of the course is to see through objects in space, steady your hands and focus so that further down the road you can use your imagination and make believable images/stories. Its turning space in your mind and even the paid courses will start off like this. Nothing wrong with being a hobbyist, but this crit on the program isn't something I agree with. People are paying thousands in school and classes for what the owner of the program is doing for free. Its up to you to determine how to keep pushing after the basics. There is just no one screaming over your shoulder that 'its wrong' Perspective is used in everything we draw and learn, even that flat line on that paper. | 0 | 2,502 | -1.3125 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | haz00fl | hayvenf | 1,630,354,979 | 1,630,353,083 | 18 | 15 | OP, do your homework, and you will get your results. https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/pemcqc/how\_are\_you\_people\_this\_good\_at\_organic\_texture/ TLDR: OP didnt do the 250 box challenge (the namesake of the course) and wondering why he's not getting results. | Honestly, I typed out a fairly wordy response to each point but towards the end most of your points boil down to this: drawabox isn't for you. It doesn't seem to be how you learn or how you \*want\* to learn. I don't think any of these points are inherently issues with drawabox. All the points stem from drawabox not being structured to how you learn best, which is fine. Not everyone learns the same, and drawabox won't be for everyone. | 1 | 1,896 | 1.2 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hayxvrq | haz00fl | 1,630,354,097 | 1,630,354,979 | -16 | 18 | Welcome to the world of free art resources. If you want to learn truly from the beginning, you will have to pay for real art classes, like Art School from Mark Brunet, or paid courses from Proko. | OP, do your homework, and you will get your results. https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/pemcqc/how\_are\_you\_people\_this\_good\_at\_organic\_texture/ TLDR: OP didnt do the 250 box challenge (the namesake of the course) and wondering why he's not getting results. | 0 | 882 | -1.125 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hazkkv8 | hazlcnx | 1,630,363,885 | 1,630,364,234 | 13 | 14 | OP i hope you read this long post. I'll start by saying that I've only done lesson 0 and most of lesson 1. My previous experience with art was elementary and highschool classes (not the advanced type). I was taught by high school teachers who had us do fun projects and taught us surface level art concepts. I stopped drawing in 2008 then started up again in 2019. I tried just drawing whatever out of imagination (didn't go well), tried to draw from reference (didn't go well). Until I started taking random YouTube tutorials here and there and then joined skillshare and followed a couple of classes. But even as i was getting better i noticed one MAJOR FLAW. Everything i drew would look flat. I couldn't translate the volume i saw in a picture or in real life on to paper. I decided to do DaB because the main objective of it is to teach the student to be able to see a 3D space on a 2D paper. Here are my counter points to the OP: 1. I think the acknowledgement of people quitting can be seen every time uncomfortable says "don't grind", "don't worry about making it look perfect". Grinding excesices and worrying about perfection is stressful and burns out students. I think feedback is great when it's accompanied with ideas for a solution. It's possible that having a "DaB LITE" course could be a good idea, but what do you think you need as an introduction to DaB? What is DaB missing? 2. As soon as I read through lesson 0 i KNEW that DaB is no joke and I just need to take it seriously and put all my effort in the exercises. So when I take 30 minutes out of my day to do the work I make sure I'm focused. I think you might get the sense that people taking DaB are well put together and ready for the challenge because they are!! It only takes reading lesson 0 to get anyone on that head space. Maybe you could read it again to refresh your mind with the purpose and expectations of the course. As mentioned on lesson 0 this course is meant for two types of people ABSOLUTE BEGINNERS and self taught artists. From your post i gather you are a beginner. That's great then! This course is for you. Sure some people have had more time working on their crafts. Don't look at them!! Comparing your work with theirs is the worst thing you can do. Compare your old work to your new work. If straight and confident lines where looking bad at first try the excesices again now to see if you've gotten better. 3. Uncomfortable is just letting you know that it's ok to not be good at the excesices. It's not about being perfect it's about practicing the concepts and getting better over time. If anything, any time uncomfortable says that you suck you should see it as permission to not be perfect. (btw i haven't noticed this language in lesson 0 or 1... Does he say this in lesson 2??). When I hear "most likely you won't get it perfect" i think to myself "all right, I'll do my best but i won't dwell on my mistakes". Try thinking this way instead. 4. I've only gotten 1 ad at the start of a video and then nothing. So odd, right? Maybe your country or region has more adds? You could try an add blocker if they bug you that much. Or take them as a short break and stretch for the few second the ad is running. 5.i don't think DaB is meant to teach you how to draw. Again I'm only on lesson 1.... My understanding is that DaB is meant to teach you how to see a 3D space on a 2D paper. What's great about DaB is that anyone can learn to draw a bow. I'm glad the program is not called Draw a Human. That would be too hard and I would be stuck trying to learn about anatomy instead of absorbing the real lesson: PERSPECTIVE. The course starts with the absolute basics of making a mark (confident stokes, straight lines, ellipses, boxes). Then gets you learning the complex concept of perspective with those basics. As mentioned in lesson 1, if you can apply perspective to a box, that means you can visualize the perspective and then fit any object within that box. So most likely you CAN apply perspective to any object. Regarding textures: if you are a complete beginner i get how drawing textures can be daunting (I'm bad at these too). As mentioned before don't compare your work with others. Maybe take some YouTube tutorials on texture where they go step by step showing you how you go about achieving a texture. Some people record their lesson homework that you might be able to find on YouTube to give you an idea on how they approach achieving a texture. Regarding optional exercises and skipping lesson/homework: i read in the comments that you didn't do the 250 boxes because they are optional. When an instructor tells you "X,Y, Z is optional" it usually means: if you don't want to do it don't, but if you want to get better faster do it. I would recommend not skipping optional homework. Also try not to skip lessons as the course seems to build up on the concepts and techniques studied in previous lessons. I'm such a drag.. jeez... Regarding the 50% rule: take this seriously. Maybe take some tutorials that you find fun or draw from reference or try drawing from imagination. The drawing time that you use for your own stuff (non-homework) do whatever makes you happy. Anyway... I'm glad you will continue the course! And I hope you continue doing lesson 1 warm ups before every new homework you tackle and I hope that at the end of each lesson you evaluate your own progress between when you first started to where you are at that particular moment. Always look back. If you see no change ask for help. But most importantly don't compare your efforts against anyone else's with the thought of "it's pointless" change the thought to "i could do that to if I keep at it". GOOD LUCK! | DaB will make more sense when you stop drawing boxes and start applying the ideas on real stuff IMO. Try checking on Google some pages of Michael Hampton's book on Figure Drawing. It starts with boxes and cilinders to create the basic volume of a body before putting the muscles, and when it does, it attaches them on blocks before rounding things up (the deltoid inserts on the wider face of a box while the biceps and triceps go on the thinner front and back sides). Or the Anatomy for Sculptors book that shows in a blocky diagram how the supinator muscle (starts the side of the arm somewhere in between biceps and triceps and connects at the general direction of your thumb) will change its shape depending on the rotation of the forearm. You won't see or draw a proper box on many cases, but the idea of finding "sides" when simplifying things or indicating if an object is leaning forward or backwards happens all the time. | 0 | 349 | 1.076923 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hazkkv8 | haz8tcz | 1,630,363,885 | 1,630,358,663 | 13 | 11 | OP i hope you read this long post. I'll start by saying that I've only done lesson 0 and most of lesson 1. My previous experience with art was elementary and highschool classes (not the advanced type). I was taught by high school teachers who had us do fun projects and taught us surface level art concepts. I stopped drawing in 2008 then started up again in 2019. I tried just drawing whatever out of imagination (didn't go well), tried to draw from reference (didn't go well). Until I started taking random YouTube tutorials here and there and then joined skillshare and followed a couple of classes. But even as i was getting better i noticed one MAJOR FLAW. Everything i drew would look flat. I couldn't translate the volume i saw in a picture or in real life on to paper. I decided to do DaB because the main objective of it is to teach the student to be able to see a 3D space on a 2D paper. Here are my counter points to the OP: 1. I think the acknowledgement of people quitting can be seen every time uncomfortable says "don't grind", "don't worry about making it look perfect". Grinding excesices and worrying about perfection is stressful and burns out students. I think feedback is great when it's accompanied with ideas for a solution. It's possible that having a "DaB LITE" course could be a good idea, but what do you think you need as an introduction to DaB? What is DaB missing? 2. As soon as I read through lesson 0 i KNEW that DaB is no joke and I just need to take it seriously and put all my effort in the exercises. So when I take 30 minutes out of my day to do the work I make sure I'm focused. I think you might get the sense that people taking DaB are well put together and ready for the challenge because they are!! It only takes reading lesson 0 to get anyone on that head space. Maybe you could read it again to refresh your mind with the purpose and expectations of the course. As mentioned on lesson 0 this course is meant for two types of people ABSOLUTE BEGINNERS and self taught artists. From your post i gather you are a beginner. That's great then! This course is for you. Sure some people have had more time working on their crafts. Don't look at them!! Comparing your work with theirs is the worst thing you can do. Compare your old work to your new work. If straight and confident lines where looking bad at first try the excesices again now to see if you've gotten better. 3. Uncomfortable is just letting you know that it's ok to not be good at the excesices. It's not about being perfect it's about practicing the concepts and getting better over time. If anything, any time uncomfortable says that you suck you should see it as permission to not be perfect. (btw i haven't noticed this language in lesson 0 or 1... Does he say this in lesson 2??). When I hear "most likely you won't get it perfect" i think to myself "all right, I'll do my best but i won't dwell on my mistakes". Try thinking this way instead. 4. I've only gotten 1 ad at the start of a video and then nothing. So odd, right? Maybe your country or region has more adds? You could try an add blocker if they bug you that much. Or take them as a short break and stretch for the few second the ad is running. 5.i don't think DaB is meant to teach you how to draw. Again I'm only on lesson 1.... My understanding is that DaB is meant to teach you how to see a 3D space on a 2D paper. What's great about DaB is that anyone can learn to draw a bow. I'm glad the program is not called Draw a Human. That would be too hard and I would be stuck trying to learn about anatomy instead of absorbing the real lesson: PERSPECTIVE. The course starts with the absolute basics of making a mark (confident stokes, straight lines, ellipses, boxes). Then gets you learning the complex concept of perspective with those basics. As mentioned in lesson 1, if you can apply perspective to a box, that means you can visualize the perspective and then fit any object within that box. So most likely you CAN apply perspective to any object. Regarding textures: if you are a complete beginner i get how drawing textures can be daunting (I'm bad at these too). As mentioned before don't compare your work with others. Maybe take some YouTube tutorials on texture where they go step by step showing you how you go about achieving a texture. Some people record their lesson homework that you might be able to find on YouTube to give you an idea on how they approach achieving a texture. Regarding optional exercises and skipping lesson/homework: i read in the comments that you didn't do the 250 boxes because they are optional. When an instructor tells you "X,Y, Z is optional" it usually means: if you don't want to do it don't, but if you want to get better faster do it. I would recommend not skipping optional homework. Also try not to skip lessons as the course seems to build up on the concepts and techniques studied in previous lessons. I'm such a drag.. jeez... Regarding the 50% rule: take this seriously. Maybe take some tutorials that you find fun or draw from reference or try drawing from imagination. The drawing time that you use for your own stuff (non-homework) do whatever makes you happy. Anyway... I'm glad you will continue the course! And I hope you continue doing lesson 1 warm ups before every new homework you tackle and I hope that at the end of each lesson you evaluate your own progress between when you first started to where you are at that particular moment. Always look back. If you see no change ask for help. But most importantly don't compare your efforts against anyone else's with the thought of "it's pointless" change the thought to "i could do that to if I keep at it". GOOD LUCK! | I have a background in the arts before I went through DaB for fun since working full time in an unrelated industry has made some things rusty. I bring this up because it is relevant to the only part of your post I am interested in focusing on, point 5. I have several hobbies that have pretty sharp learning curves and show little meaningful progress until you spend a significant amount of time on the subject. Drawing for most people experience practice and learning exactly like that. The time spent gives no immediate gratification in most cases so you do not experience the reward of getting better until one day, your skills produce what you would consider reasonable for the amount of time invested. Your point 5 is wrong even if it feels right to you. You are coming from a place that does not have the tool set to evaluate the quality of what you are getting for free. Bringing up my background is relevant here. From 8-12 years old I was in an accelerated program for young artists and my high school years were spent attending an academy to train young artists for professional study. I learned from a lot of great artists during this time period and I can tell you that DaB is a great primer for what you would learn with guided paid study. I know you said you are not going to quit. Good. This is where most people quit. You are not going to be impressed with your work for a long time but if you stay at it one day you will make something that makes you feel good. Just know that day is not tomorrow. | 1 | 5,222 | 1.181818 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hayxvrq | hazkkv8 | 1,630,354,097 | 1,630,363,885 | -16 | 13 | Welcome to the world of free art resources. If you want to learn truly from the beginning, you will have to pay for real art classes, like Art School from Mark Brunet, or paid courses from Proko. | OP i hope you read this long post. I'll start by saying that I've only done lesson 0 and most of lesson 1. My previous experience with art was elementary and highschool classes (not the advanced type). I was taught by high school teachers who had us do fun projects and taught us surface level art concepts. I stopped drawing in 2008 then started up again in 2019. I tried just drawing whatever out of imagination (didn't go well), tried to draw from reference (didn't go well). Until I started taking random YouTube tutorials here and there and then joined skillshare and followed a couple of classes. But even as i was getting better i noticed one MAJOR FLAW. Everything i drew would look flat. I couldn't translate the volume i saw in a picture or in real life on to paper. I decided to do DaB because the main objective of it is to teach the student to be able to see a 3D space on a 2D paper. Here are my counter points to the OP: 1. I think the acknowledgement of people quitting can be seen every time uncomfortable says "don't grind", "don't worry about making it look perfect". Grinding excesices and worrying about perfection is stressful and burns out students. I think feedback is great when it's accompanied with ideas for a solution. It's possible that having a "DaB LITE" course could be a good idea, but what do you think you need as an introduction to DaB? What is DaB missing? 2. As soon as I read through lesson 0 i KNEW that DaB is no joke and I just need to take it seriously and put all my effort in the exercises. So when I take 30 minutes out of my day to do the work I make sure I'm focused. I think you might get the sense that people taking DaB are well put together and ready for the challenge because they are!! It only takes reading lesson 0 to get anyone on that head space. Maybe you could read it again to refresh your mind with the purpose and expectations of the course. As mentioned on lesson 0 this course is meant for two types of people ABSOLUTE BEGINNERS and self taught artists. From your post i gather you are a beginner. That's great then! This course is for you. Sure some people have had more time working on their crafts. Don't look at them!! Comparing your work with theirs is the worst thing you can do. Compare your old work to your new work. If straight and confident lines where looking bad at first try the excesices again now to see if you've gotten better. 3. Uncomfortable is just letting you know that it's ok to not be good at the excesices. It's not about being perfect it's about practicing the concepts and getting better over time. If anything, any time uncomfortable says that you suck you should see it as permission to not be perfect. (btw i haven't noticed this language in lesson 0 or 1... Does he say this in lesson 2??). When I hear "most likely you won't get it perfect" i think to myself "all right, I'll do my best but i won't dwell on my mistakes". Try thinking this way instead. 4. I've only gotten 1 ad at the start of a video and then nothing. So odd, right? Maybe your country or region has more adds? You could try an add blocker if they bug you that much. Or take them as a short break and stretch for the few second the ad is running. 5.i don't think DaB is meant to teach you how to draw. Again I'm only on lesson 1.... My understanding is that DaB is meant to teach you how to see a 3D space on a 2D paper. What's great about DaB is that anyone can learn to draw a bow. I'm glad the program is not called Draw a Human. That would be too hard and I would be stuck trying to learn about anatomy instead of absorbing the real lesson: PERSPECTIVE. The course starts with the absolute basics of making a mark (confident stokes, straight lines, ellipses, boxes). Then gets you learning the complex concept of perspective with those basics. As mentioned in lesson 1, if you can apply perspective to a box, that means you can visualize the perspective and then fit any object within that box. So most likely you CAN apply perspective to any object. Regarding textures: if you are a complete beginner i get how drawing textures can be daunting (I'm bad at these too). As mentioned before don't compare your work with others. Maybe take some YouTube tutorials on texture where they go step by step showing you how you go about achieving a texture. Some people record their lesson homework that you might be able to find on YouTube to give you an idea on how they approach achieving a texture. Regarding optional exercises and skipping lesson/homework: i read in the comments that you didn't do the 250 boxes because they are optional. When an instructor tells you "X,Y, Z is optional" it usually means: if you don't want to do it don't, but if you want to get better faster do it. I would recommend not skipping optional homework. Also try not to skip lessons as the course seems to build up on the concepts and techniques studied in previous lessons. I'm such a drag.. jeez... Regarding the 50% rule: take this seriously. Maybe take some tutorials that you find fun or draw from reference or try drawing from imagination. The drawing time that you use for your own stuff (non-homework) do whatever makes you happy. Anyway... I'm glad you will continue the course! And I hope you continue doing lesson 1 warm ups before every new homework you tackle and I hope that at the end of each lesson you evaluate your own progress between when you first started to where you are at that particular moment. Always look back. If you see no change ask for help. But most importantly don't compare your efforts against anyone else's with the thought of "it's pointless" change the thought to "i could do that to if I keep at it". GOOD LUCK! | 0 | 9,788 | -0.8125 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | haz8tcz | hazlcnx | 1,630,358,663 | 1,630,364,234 | 11 | 14 | I have a background in the arts before I went through DaB for fun since working full time in an unrelated industry has made some things rusty. I bring this up because it is relevant to the only part of your post I am interested in focusing on, point 5. I have several hobbies that have pretty sharp learning curves and show little meaningful progress until you spend a significant amount of time on the subject. Drawing for most people experience practice and learning exactly like that. The time spent gives no immediate gratification in most cases so you do not experience the reward of getting better until one day, your skills produce what you would consider reasonable for the amount of time invested. Your point 5 is wrong even if it feels right to you. You are coming from a place that does not have the tool set to evaluate the quality of what you are getting for free. Bringing up my background is relevant here. From 8-12 years old I was in an accelerated program for young artists and my high school years were spent attending an academy to train young artists for professional study. I learned from a lot of great artists during this time period and I can tell you that DaB is a great primer for what you would learn with guided paid study. I know you said you are not going to quit. Good. This is where most people quit. You are not going to be impressed with your work for a long time but if you stay at it one day you will make something that makes you feel good. Just know that day is not tomorrow. | DaB will make more sense when you stop drawing boxes and start applying the ideas on real stuff IMO. Try checking on Google some pages of Michael Hampton's book on Figure Drawing. It starts with boxes and cilinders to create the basic volume of a body before putting the muscles, and when it does, it attaches them on blocks before rounding things up (the deltoid inserts on the wider face of a box while the biceps and triceps go on the thinner front and back sides). Or the Anatomy for Sculptors book that shows in a blocky diagram how the supinator muscle (starts the side of the arm somewhere in between biceps and triceps and connects at the general direction of your thumb) will change its shape depending on the rotation of the forearm. You won't see or draw a proper box on many cases, but the idea of finding "sides" when simplifying things or indicating if an object is leaning forward or backwards happens all the time. | 0 | 5,571 | 1.272727 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | hazlcnx | hayxvrq | 1,630,364,234 | 1,630,354,097 | 14 | -16 | DaB will make more sense when you stop drawing boxes and start applying the ideas on real stuff IMO. Try checking on Google some pages of Michael Hampton's book on Figure Drawing. It starts with boxes and cilinders to create the basic volume of a body before putting the muscles, and when it does, it attaches them on blocks before rounding things up (the deltoid inserts on the wider face of a box while the biceps and triceps go on the thinner front and back sides). Or the Anatomy for Sculptors book that shows in a blocky diagram how the supinator muscle (starts the side of the arm somewhere in between biceps and triceps and connects at the general direction of your thumb) will change its shape depending on the rotation of the forearm. You won't see or draw a proper box on many cases, but the idea of finding "sides" when simplifying things or indicating if an object is leaning forward or backwards happens all the time. | Welcome to the world of free art resources. If you want to learn truly from the beginning, you will have to pay for real art classes, like Art School from Mark Brunet, or paid courses from Proko. | 1 | 10,137 | -0.875 | ||
pelycx | artfundamentals_train | 0.78 | I think I have found some problems with this course after halfway through lesson 2 1. I think u/Uncomfortable recognizes most of the students quit. It's looked down upon to judge this system but wouldnt that weed out anyone who would have any criticism? The only people left will be the ones who are good at it or enjoy it. You can say it's lack of dicipline or they didnt have the will, but thats really easy to say from the inside looking out. 2. Most of the people doing this are extremely well put together and ready for this kind of challenge. I think there needs to be a pre-Buildabox course for regular people. The reason people get frustrated and leave is because this isnt for them, it's for artists, people who already think like an artist. This is most evident when you are drawing textures for the first time. You go from a box challenge to "Okay, now draw a paper ball". To someone who doesnt draw that's impossible without training. I've seen people's homework and the amount of texture they are able to do is breathtaking. So either the people in this course are established artists who are just training or have already had loads of experience or an eye for things. Edit: Also people are WAY too good at confident strokes. I dont understand how people can draw this straight. 3. It's discouraging to hear Uncomfortable tell you how bad you are over and over in the lessons. I know he's trying to sound sympathetic but it just feels.. blah, and when you cant do a lesson you feel like garbage. 4. The videos have WAY too many ads. I mean like 3-4 per video. It's incredibly annoying. 5. I dont believe this course teaches you anything. Its supposed to teach you how to learn how to draw but if you cant learn how to draw the way he does I feel like you are just wasting your time. I dont feel like I can apply perspective in a sense outside of a box. That will probably change in the future, but the point is after lesson 2 It feels pointless. Most of us have school and a job and to dedicate a year to this is a tough order without knowing what we are getting into. This course reminds me a lot of how people treat bad therapy "Oh it wont work if you dont believe it will" Thats called blind faith, if observation has an effect on the outcome then it's not science. 6. I'm not giving up and I dont think this course is bad or wrong. I think its fine for artists who need to learn more perspective. But when im done ill give some full opinions. Please dont downvote this because it's not your thinking, I think its important to take the views of a frustrated individual who is willing to give his opinion on the early bits of the course. Many people probably thought the same thing but never spoke up and if you shut them down then things can't improve or be taken into consideration. | haz8tcz | hayxvrq | 1,630,358,663 | 1,630,354,097 | 11 | -16 | I have a background in the arts before I went through DaB for fun since working full time in an unrelated industry has made some things rusty. I bring this up because it is relevant to the only part of your post I am interested in focusing on, point 5. I have several hobbies that have pretty sharp learning curves and show little meaningful progress until you spend a significant amount of time on the subject. Drawing for most people experience practice and learning exactly like that. The time spent gives no immediate gratification in most cases so you do not experience the reward of getting better until one day, your skills produce what you would consider reasonable for the amount of time invested. Your point 5 is wrong even if it feels right to you. You are coming from a place that does not have the tool set to evaluate the quality of what you are getting for free. Bringing up my background is relevant here. From 8-12 years old I was in an accelerated program for young artists and my high school years were spent attending an academy to train young artists for professional study. I learned from a lot of great artists during this time period and I can tell you that DaB is a great primer for what you would learn with guided paid study. I know you said you are not going to quit. Good. This is where most people quit. You are not going to be impressed with your work for a long time but if you stay at it one day you will make something that makes you feel good. Just know that day is not tomorrow. | Welcome to the world of free art resources. If you want to learn truly from the beginning, you will have to pay for real art classes, like Art School from Mark Brunet, or paid courses from Proko. | 1 | 4,566 | -0.6875 | ||
b5tdrv | artfundamentals_train | 0.92 | What's a good way to find something to draw? Most of the time when Im home I want to draw but I don't know what to draw. Because of this is lose all motivation to draw. | ejhvpde | ejgrn2r | 1,553,695,217 | 1,553,651,147 | 2 | 1 | r/onedrawingdaily | I keep a list of ideas so when the mood strikes me I look to the list and start drawing. | 1 | 44,070 | 2 | ||
wsgo7u | artfundamentals_train | 0.88 | 50% rule I'm on lesson 0 right now and I just read the 50% rule as I finished the 1 hour of the 2 hours I had planned to spend. It feels like a bit of a waste of time to draw for an hour with 0 direction but if it you guys think it's worth it ill do it. | iky0ha3 | ikydj49 | 1,660,922,454 | 1,660,927,461 | 1 | 33 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | I will tell you my perspective on this - it helps me remember why I'm doing this. Sure courses are important and sure my art looks bad at this point, but ultimately drawing boxes or studying perspective aren't my goals. Creating and getting my ideas on canvas are. So while it is crucial to study and do your bit of boring practice, it is also important to just draw, without much expectations and self-criticism. Also, I think it can be a fun way of noticing how your abilities get better over time. You do some outside-course drawings and then are like "hey, I actually got better, even if just a little, the work was worth it". | 0 | 5,007 | 33 | ||
wsgo7u | artfundamentals_train | 0.88 | 50% rule I'm on lesson 0 right now and I just read the 50% rule as I finished the 1 hour of the 2 hours I had planned to spend. It feels like a bit of a waste of time to draw for an hour with 0 direction but if it you guys think it's worth it ill do it. | iky0ha3 | il09b8h | 1,660,922,454 | 1,660,955,140 | 1 | 8 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | Why do you wanna learn to draw.. | 0 | 32,686 | 8 | ||
wsgo7u | artfundamentals_train | 0.88 | 50% rule I'm on lesson 0 right now and I just read the 50% rule as I finished the 1 hour of the 2 hours I had planned to spend. It feels like a bit of a waste of time to draw for an hour with 0 direction but if it you guys think it's worth it ill do it. | il1ql9k | iky0ha3 | 1,660,988,133 | 1,660,922,454 | 4 | 1 | The reason for doing it is: drawing boxes/techincal shapes 100% of the time will not result in anything that looks natural. I've noticed that while doing DrawABox, some of the fundamentals that I've been practicing are seeping into my regular art and giving me a better understanding of it. It's almost subconscious. DrawABox is scaffolding for your art. | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 65,679 | 4 | ||
wsgo7u | artfundamentals_train | 0.88 | 50% rule I'm on lesson 0 right now and I just read the 50% rule as I finished the 1 hour of the 2 hours I had planned to spend. It feels like a bit of a waste of time to draw for an hour with 0 direction but if it you guys think it's worth it ill do it. | iky0ha3 | il2ohtz | 1,660,922,454 | 1,661,007,888 | 1 | 5 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | When I was starting draw a box I did not do the 50% rule and I don't regret it. I started draw a box with absolutely zero knowledge on how to draw. It was my absolute step 1. Learning to draw a box in 3D the right way was exciting and getting straight lines was a challenge by itself. If I was going to draw for fun, up until like lesson 3, there's nothing I could draw that would be enjoyable for me. By lesson 3 I started doing different art tutorials as well as DaB. Technically that's still not following the 50% rule, but it was close enough for me and it was the only way for me to draw and enjoy it. It just wasn't fun for me to draw crap. So if you're in kind of the same place that I was, then just do DaB. The 50% rule is so you don't burn out. If you don't feel like you're burning out then I think it's fine to ignore the rule. I will say though that you'll reach a point where you won't learn as much if you don't just try drawing stuff. I've been learning portraits and anatomy for a while, and just following the steps and getting proportions right is hard. But you really start to learn your shortcomings if you just try and draw a face from imagination. Then you can go back and learn more. | 0 | 85,434 | 5 | ||
wsgo7u | artfundamentals_train | 0.88 | 50% rule I'm on lesson 0 right now and I just read the 50% rule as I finished the 1 hour of the 2 hours I had planned to spend. It feels like a bit of a waste of time to draw for an hour with 0 direction but if it you guys think it's worth it ill do it. | il1ql9k | il2ohtz | 1,660,988,133 | 1,661,007,888 | 4 | 5 | The reason for doing it is: drawing boxes/techincal shapes 100% of the time will not result in anything that looks natural. I've noticed that while doing DrawABox, some of the fundamentals that I've been practicing are seeping into my regular art and giving me a better understanding of it. It's almost subconscious. DrawABox is scaffolding for your art. | When I was starting draw a box I did not do the 50% rule and I don't regret it. I started draw a box with absolutely zero knowledge on how to draw. It was my absolute step 1. Learning to draw a box in 3D the right way was exciting and getting straight lines was a challenge by itself. If I was going to draw for fun, up until like lesson 3, there's nothing I could draw that would be enjoyable for me. By lesson 3 I started doing different art tutorials as well as DaB. Technically that's still not following the 50% rule, but it was close enough for me and it was the only way for me to draw and enjoy it. It just wasn't fun for me to draw crap. So if you're in kind of the same place that I was, then just do DaB. The 50% rule is so you don't burn out. If you don't feel like you're burning out then I think it's fine to ignore the rule. I will say though that you'll reach a point where you won't learn as much if you don't just try drawing stuff. I've been learning portraits and anatomy for a while, and just following the steps and getting proportions right is hard. But you really start to learn your shortcomings if you just try and draw a face from imagination. Then you can go back and learn more. | 0 | 19,755 | 1.25 | ||
s08b22 | artfundamentals_train | 0.89 | Draw a Box with Digital art? I am wanting to get into digital art and and was wondering if I did any to the homework on digital if i could get feedback from them or if i need to do it on pen and paper? Thanks! | hs2j5ox | hs4b7bq | 1,641,827,140 | 1,641,850,735 | 3 | 5 | Pen and paper is part of the rules and for good reason. Idk when I’ll finish all these lessons but my motivation to complete them is to earn the use of my tablet again. Good luck! | Drawabox has the "50% rule": 50% of the time you spend drawing should be just drawing for fun. Just do the exercises on paper and use digital for your 50% free draw time. | 0 | 23,595 | 1.666667 | ||
suz468 | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Should I restart? I've quit back in 2019, and I'm planning to come back, however, I quit when I reached lesson 2, should I restart from the beginning, since it's been 2 and a half years? Is there a standard answer for this question? Ty | hxd4cen | hxds8j3 | 1,645,134,338 | 1,645,144,079 | 22 | 28 | I would definitely recommend that you start over from the beginning. | I restart everytime I stop, and I always do 1 exercise a day, and when I see that I am having some dificulties with any exercise I train a little more in it | 0 | 9,741 | 1.272727 | ||
suz468 | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Should I restart? I've quit back in 2019, and I'm planning to come back, however, I quit when I reached lesson 2, should I restart from the beginning, since it's been 2 and a half years? Is there a standard answer for this question? Ty | hxds8j3 | hxdcgaz | 1,645,144,079 | 1,645,137,462 | 28 | 12 | I restart everytime I stop, and I always do 1 exercise a day, and when I see that I am having some dificulties with any exercise I train a little more in it | I'm in the same boat as you. I restarted recently as well from the beginning. I take it as a lesson in patience to not want to skip ahead. | 1 | 6,617 | 2.333333 | ||
suz468 | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Should I restart? I've quit back in 2019, and I'm planning to come back, however, I quit when I reached lesson 2, should I restart from the beginning, since it's been 2 and a half years? Is there a standard answer for this question? Ty | hxdc2kw | hxds8j3 | 1,645,137,309 | 1,645,144,079 | 6 | 28 | So I recommend that you retry the exercises but for official critique start from lesson 2. I started drawabox in 2019 and finished in late 2021. Be in it for the long run. And paying for official critique is so worth it | I restart everytime I stop, and I always do 1 exercise a day, and when I see that I am having some dificulties with any exercise I train a little more in it | 0 | 6,770 | 4.666667 | ||
suz468 | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Should I restart? I've quit back in 2019, and I'm planning to come back, however, I quit when I reached lesson 2, should I restart from the beginning, since it's been 2 and a half years? Is there a standard answer for this question? Ty | hxdc2kw | hxdcgaz | 1,645,137,309 | 1,645,137,462 | 6 | 12 | So I recommend that you retry the exercises but for official critique start from lesson 2. I started drawabox in 2019 and finished in late 2021. Be in it for the long run. And paying for official critique is so worth it | I'm in the same boat as you. I restarted recently as well from the beginning. I take it as a lesson in patience to not want to skip ahead. | 0 | 153 | 2 | ||
suz468 | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Should I restart? I've quit back in 2019, and I'm planning to come back, however, I quit when I reached lesson 2, should I restart from the beginning, since it's been 2 and a half years? Is there a standard answer for this question? Ty | hxdc2kw | hxgo608 | 1,645,137,309 | 1,645,201,676 | 6 | 7 | So I recommend that you retry the exercises but for official critique start from lesson 2. I started drawabox in 2019 and finished in late 2021. Be in it for the long run. And paying for official critique is so worth it | Keep in mind that you will never be "done" when it comes to fundamentals. It never hurts to go back to them and brush up on things. | 0 | 64,367 | 1.166667 | ||
suz468 | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Should I restart? I've quit back in 2019, and I'm planning to come back, however, I quit when I reached lesson 2, should I restart from the beginning, since it's been 2 and a half years? Is there a standard answer for this question? Ty | hxgo608 | hxfsyud | 1,645,201,676 | 1,645,187,713 | 7 | 4 | Keep in mind that you will never be "done" when it comes to fundamentals. It never hurts to go back to them and brush up on things. | Restarting is actually key to full understanding. Every time you do an exercise over again, you'll get a little more understanding of it. No exercise is truly 'done' until it's done *correctly*, and even then it's still good to do them over from time to time just to 'hone the edge of the knife'. | 1 | 13,963 | 1.75 | ||
suz468 | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Should I restart? I've quit back in 2019, and I'm planning to come back, however, I quit when I reached lesson 2, should I restart from the beginning, since it's been 2 and a half years? Is there a standard answer for this question? Ty | hxgo608 | hxg5uhr | 1,645,201,676 | 1,645,194,243 | 7 | 2 | Keep in mind that you will never be "done" when it comes to fundamentals. It never hurts to go back to them and brush up on things. | depends. Draw a box aims to enforce good habits and firm understanding. If you feel like falling into bad habits or you forgot some fundamentals you could no harm in that. | 1 | 7,433 | 3.5 | ||
zmfut0 | artfundamentals_train | 0.95 | How often should i space lessons from one another? new here. should i do the other 50% after every topic within the lesson for example: lesson 1 lines-50% ellipses-50% boxes-50% or is it like all of lesson1 and then i do the other 50% also is there a recommended spacing for every lesson and topic, can i just hop immediately to lesson 2 after 1?? i'm not trying to speedrun all the lessons but i do need to know how to manage my time effectively for the best result. thank you for your time | j0c13u9 | j0aszve | 1,671,118,748 | 1,671,091,858 | 3 | 1 | I'm new also, started yesterday reading and first part of lesson 1. I did not have enough time yesterday to do all first part of lesson 1. But I was planning to finish a lesson and then the other 50%. But, because it takes time I think I will do first part (lines) and then the other 50% part, then ellipses and so on. I'm also following a book so I'm trying to mix both exercises and knowledge and at the same time don't forget about the other 50%. Hope this helps! | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 26,890 | 3 | ||
zmfut0 | artfundamentals_train | 0.95 | How often should i space lessons from one another? new here. should i do the other 50% after every topic within the lesson for example: lesson 1 lines-50% ellipses-50% boxes-50% or is it like all of lesson1 and then i do the other 50% also is there a recommended spacing for every lesson and topic, can i just hop immediately to lesson 2 after 1?? i'm not trying to speedrun all the lessons but i do need to know how to manage my time effectively for the best result. thank you for your time | j0crjea | j0aszve | 1,671,128,888 | 1,671,091,858 | 3 | 1 | Since you're self directing your education here, only you can decide that. If you want some advice, try doing it day on, day off, if that doesn't feel right, try a different routine and compare each until you find one that works for you. | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 37,030 | 3 | ||
zmfut0 | artfundamentals_train | 0.95 | How often should i space lessons from one another? new here. should i do the other 50% after every topic within the lesson for example: lesson 1 lines-50% ellipses-50% boxes-50% or is it like all of lesson1 and then i do the other 50% also is there a recommended spacing for every lesson and topic, can i just hop immediately to lesson 2 after 1?? i'm not trying to speedrun all the lessons but i do need to know how to manage my time effectively for the best result. thank you for your time | j0ctrif | j0aszve | 1,671,129,743 | 1,671,091,858 | 3 | 1 | There were a couple lessons I grasped straight away, while others I sincerely wanted to redo because I knew I'd completed them "symbolically" and not understood the message. So some lessons were done in a day and I moved on to something new the next day, others took an hour to complete a third of the prescribed amount and I'd take a day off to think about it. So in practice that meant an extra page of ellipses and rough perspective, and a few attempts at rotating boxes which I still cannot really "do." It's basically up to you, just be honest with yourself. | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 37,885 | 3 | ||
zmfut0 | artfundamentals_train | 0.95 | How often should i space lessons from one another? new here. should i do the other 50% after every topic within the lesson for example: lesson 1 lines-50% ellipses-50% boxes-50% or is it like all of lesson1 and then i do the other 50% also is there a recommended spacing for every lesson and topic, can i just hop immediately to lesson 2 after 1?? i'm not trying to speedrun all the lessons but i do need to know how to manage my time effectively for the best result. thank you for your time | j0cfsoo | j0crjea | 1,671,124,421 | 1,671,128,888 | 1 | 3 | I usually do one section of the lesson and start the hw for that section. After I finish one piece of the homework, I'll draw for fun and just relax. For me, it's important to balance the homework and the other 50%. Otherwise, I can get overwhelmed. | Since you're self directing your education here, only you can decide that. If you want some advice, try doing it day on, day off, if that doesn't feel right, try a different routine and compare each until you find one that works for you. | 0 | 4,467 | 3 | ||
zmfut0 | artfundamentals_train | 0.95 | How often should i space lessons from one another? new here. should i do the other 50% after every topic within the lesson for example: lesson 1 lines-50% ellipses-50% boxes-50% or is it like all of lesson1 and then i do the other 50% also is there a recommended spacing for every lesson and topic, can i just hop immediately to lesson 2 after 1?? i'm not trying to speedrun all the lessons but i do need to know how to manage my time effectively for the best result. thank you for your time | j0ctrif | j0cfsoo | 1,671,129,743 | 1,671,124,421 | 3 | 1 | There were a couple lessons I grasped straight away, while others I sincerely wanted to redo because I knew I'd completed them "symbolically" and not understood the message. So some lessons were done in a day and I moved on to something new the next day, others took an hour to complete a third of the prescribed amount and I'd take a day off to think about it. So in practice that meant an extra page of ellipses and rough perspective, and a few attempts at rotating boxes which I still cannot really "do." It's basically up to you, just be honest with yourself. | I usually do one section of the lesson and start the hw for that section. After I finish one piece of the homework, I'll draw for fun and just relax. For me, it's important to balance the homework and the other 50%. Otherwise, I can get overwhelmed. | 1 | 5,322 | 3 | ||
o551aq | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Should I redo exercises if I couldn’t focus? I’ve just completed lesson 1, but, this is the first time I’ve ever really taken my art seriously and I lost focus a lot of the time so it really wasn’t done as well as I could have done. But, they would also take a lot of time to redo. Should I just count the loss and make sure to for us more on the next excercises like the 250 box challenge, or is it worth it to go back and redo them? | h2n3n3p | h2lx3s2 | 1,624,362,222 | 1,624,328,573 | 6 | 4 | There is something to be said about the difference between practice, and deliberate practice. | Only if you didn't learn anything. | 1 | 33,649 | 1.5 | ||
qzdrqf | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | What is your trick of making sure that the lines converge onto the same vanishing points while drawing boxes? So, i was wondering what technique do you guys use Do you plot the Vanishing points before drawing the boxes or do you just estimate the convergence? Or any other way you use... | hlnwuhc | hlnt7f9 | 1,637,603,571 | 1,637,602,149 | 3 | 1 | I just plot the points beforehand. I have a whole setup I use to quickly draw from the point along a ruler. I have a matboard on each side of the paper Im drawing on and I just set up a pin or nail on each vanishing point. Theyre usually off the page so it wont hurt the artwork. This way I don't have to go back and forth, setting up the ruler on the vanishing point every time. I just use the pin as an axis of rotation. This is usually just for 2= point perspective. | Perspective for the Absolute Beginner: A Clear and Easy Guide to Successful Perspective Drawing. Edit link | 1 | 1,422 | 3 | ||
oatlss | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Is my method of drawing boxes defeating the point of the 250 Box Challenge? The past few months I've been working on the 250 Box Challenge (I'm on #180 now) and over the last few weeks I've been reflecting on my progress. I feel that throughout the exercise, my boxes have been decently constructed, but I haven't really noticed any significant improvement. Additionally, I don't feel like my understanding of 3D space or convergence has improved either. I know it's hard to gauge progress in the moment (and maybe I actually have improved more than I think), but this got me wondering whether my method of constructing my boxes might be hampering my ability to learn from this exercise. After I plot the initial "Y" of a box, I'll ghost one of the three segments of the "Y" to get a feel for the angle and the length of the line. Then I'll "transplant" that motion to try and estimate where I should plot a edge line of the box, a line that will converge towards the same point as the initial line I ghosted. When I watch Uncomfortable's video on the exercise, he seems to eyeball these points. My concern is that when I use my method, I focus on maintaining the same ghosting motion in order to plot lines heading towards the same angle. I can sort of tell when lines aren't converging correctly, but only after the line has been drawn. I feel that by eyeballing the points, it forces you to imagine and actively consider how these lines should be converging before you construct the box. I suspect that this might train you better to have a sense for how lines should converge towards their vanishing points. For the last 20 or so boxes, I've tried eyeballing these points to plot the box and I definitely make a lot more mistakes this way. Have I been doing this exercise wrong up until now, or does it not matter which method I use? Another thing I notice is that ghosting the points causes me to fixate a lot on making the plotted points as accurate as possible. I know the whole purpose of the exercise is to have accurate convergences anyways, but I feel like I might be spending too much time on getting it right. I'll usually take 20 -30 minutes per box. I know everyone works at their own pace, but I was just concerned if this might be an indication that I'm focusing on the wrong thing. Anyways, I hope my explanation was clear! | h3js80u | h3jx9zi | 1,625,052,888 | 1,625,056,206 | 5 | 13 | There's no perfect way to do this exercise. We might not see a *huge* improvement by our 250th box and that's okay. You are taking an analytical approach. Using your method, you might not realize it, but by now you are probably aware of what "looks wrong" it's helping you decide how long or angled a line needs to be. Being analytical and patient will help you a lot with construction, even if it feels slow. | Do whatever you feel works for you, I don't think there's any certain method that would make you improve faster. I end up putting loads of dots everywhere before trying to determine which one looks like it would fit best. I think Uncomfortable said that this is okay as well | 0 | 3,318 | 2.6 | ||
q58fsj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | Is the point of the 250 box challenge nothing but drawing lines in the same direction, slightly tilted? Currently on the 250 challenge, at #31. The more I draw, the more I start to feel like all of this (including the previous exercises) has just been an incredibly convoluted way of saying "so you have sets of lines which should point in the same direction, but you have to give the angles a *very* slight tilt so that those lines would converge at some point, probably off the page". Which to be fair is definitely more difficult than it sounds. Especially when you're using the Y method. Wouldn't an ACTUAL beginner have a much better time drawing a front surface and basing everything off that? IDK, I don't feel like I'm getting a better grasp on perspective, considering these are all just isolated box without any visual context. Is my instinctual sense of perspective really gonna improve? IDK. The more I draw, the more I start to feel like I'm losing sight of what I've been doing. | hg48bu4 | hg4ryn9 | 1,633,882,203 | 1,633,890,468 | 9 | 13 | Hope you regain the motivation again. Perspective is real HARD. There's no easy way on learning it, it takes time, effort and understanding. If you can't figure out how to create a box from Y line, try tracing on real objects (photo). That can help you understand how it works irl. Personally, viewing 3d box on a 3d program helped me understand how it looks on every angle. Always put time on practicing and understanding perspective. and remember that small progress is still a progress. | I think the 250 box challenge did not help me draw perfect boxes, but I do have a slightly better grasp of what good vs bad perspective looks like. | 0 | 8,265 | 1.444444 | ||
q58fsj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | Is the point of the 250 box challenge nothing but drawing lines in the same direction, slightly tilted? Currently on the 250 challenge, at #31. The more I draw, the more I start to feel like all of this (including the previous exercises) has just been an incredibly convoluted way of saying "so you have sets of lines which should point in the same direction, but you have to give the angles a *very* slight tilt so that those lines would converge at some point, probably off the page". Which to be fair is definitely more difficult than it sounds. Especially when you're using the Y method. Wouldn't an ACTUAL beginner have a much better time drawing a front surface and basing everything off that? IDK, I don't feel like I'm getting a better grasp on perspective, considering these are all just isolated box without any visual context. Is my instinctual sense of perspective really gonna improve? IDK. The more I draw, the more I start to feel like I'm losing sight of what I've been doing. | hg3taoa | hg4ryn9 | 1,633,875,386 | 1,633,890,468 | 8 | 13 | Losing sight is the first step. Insight is the next. The point is boxes are a fundamental shape. You can made anything out of squares. Draw boxes. Draw lots of boxes. Turn the box,flip the box, spin the box. Squishy boxes, stretchy boxes, bendy boxes. Drawing cubes works many aspects of drawing. Perspective is one of them. Perspective is 9/10ths of the law. If you can draw boxes you can draw anything. If you cant draw anything, your boxes need work 🤣 SMALL BOXES! big boxes SMALL BOXES on big boxes. Lol. But yes eventually the perspective thing will click. It's like ready a chemistry book. When something doesnt make sense you go wtf? An you keep reading and hammering at it until you go...oh I see. That makes sense. Lol. 2 coppers from someone who cant draw 🤣 | I think the 250 box challenge did not help me draw perfect boxes, but I do have a slightly better grasp of what good vs bad perspective looks like. | 0 | 15,082 | 1.625 | ||
q58fsj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | Is the point of the 250 box challenge nothing but drawing lines in the same direction, slightly tilted? Currently on the 250 challenge, at #31. The more I draw, the more I start to feel like all of this (including the previous exercises) has just been an incredibly convoluted way of saying "so you have sets of lines which should point in the same direction, but you have to give the angles a *very* slight tilt so that those lines would converge at some point, probably off the page". Which to be fair is definitely more difficult than it sounds. Especially when you're using the Y method. Wouldn't an ACTUAL beginner have a much better time drawing a front surface and basing everything off that? IDK, I don't feel like I'm getting a better grasp on perspective, considering these are all just isolated box without any visual context. Is my instinctual sense of perspective really gonna improve? IDK. The more I draw, the more I start to feel like I'm losing sight of what I've been doing. | hg4ryn9 | hg3unpn | 1,633,890,468 | 1,633,876,035 | 13 | 7 | I think the 250 box challenge did not help me draw perfect boxes, but I do have a slightly better grasp of what good vs bad perspective looks like. | I feel like your understanding of perspective isn't quite there yet. Maybe watch a guide to 1, 2 and 3 point perspective of you're not sure how they work. Also if you're interested watch Syd Mead working to see how he uses perspective after a long career as an artist. This is a long set of videos but it's interesting to watch him work. He's spent his whole life drawing and still uses these principles. | 1 | 14,433 | 1.857143 | ||
q58fsj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | Is the point of the 250 box challenge nothing but drawing lines in the same direction, slightly tilted? Currently on the 250 challenge, at #31. The more I draw, the more I start to feel like all of this (including the previous exercises) has just been an incredibly convoluted way of saying "so you have sets of lines which should point in the same direction, but you have to give the angles a *very* slight tilt so that those lines would converge at some point, probably off the page". Which to be fair is definitely more difficult than it sounds. Especially when you're using the Y method. Wouldn't an ACTUAL beginner have a much better time drawing a front surface and basing everything off that? IDK, I don't feel like I'm getting a better grasp on perspective, considering these are all just isolated box without any visual context. Is my instinctual sense of perspective really gonna improve? IDK. The more I draw, the more I start to feel like I'm losing sight of what I've been doing. | hg3taoa | hg48bu4 | 1,633,875,386 | 1,633,882,203 | 8 | 9 | Losing sight is the first step. Insight is the next. The point is boxes are a fundamental shape. You can made anything out of squares. Draw boxes. Draw lots of boxes. Turn the box,flip the box, spin the box. Squishy boxes, stretchy boxes, bendy boxes. Drawing cubes works many aspects of drawing. Perspective is one of them. Perspective is 9/10ths of the law. If you can draw boxes you can draw anything. If you cant draw anything, your boxes need work 🤣 SMALL BOXES! big boxes SMALL BOXES on big boxes. Lol. But yes eventually the perspective thing will click. It's like ready a chemistry book. When something doesnt make sense you go wtf? An you keep reading and hammering at it until you go...oh I see. That makes sense. Lol. 2 coppers from someone who cant draw 🤣 | Hope you regain the motivation again. Perspective is real HARD. There's no easy way on learning it, it takes time, effort and understanding. If you can't figure out how to create a box from Y line, try tracing on real objects (photo). That can help you understand how it works irl. Personally, viewing 3d box on a 3d program helped me understand how it looks on every angle. Always put time on practicing and understanding perspective. and remember that small progress is still a progress. | 0 | 6,817 | 1.125 | ||
q58fsj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | Is the point of the 250 box challenge nothing but drawing lines in the same direction, slightly tilted? Currently on the 250 challenge, at #31. The more I draw, the more I start to feel like all of this (including the previous exercises) has just been an incredibly convoluted way of saying "so you have sets of lines which should point in the same direction, but you have to give the angles a *very* slight tilt so that those lines would converge at some point, probably off the page". Which to be fair is definitely more difficult than it sounds. Especially when you're using the Y method. Wouldn't an ACTUAL beginner have a much better time drawing a front surface and basing everything off that? IDK, I don't feel like I'm getting a better grasp on perspective, considering these are all just isolated box without any visual context. Is my instinctual sense of perspective really gonna improve? IDK. The more I draw, the more I start to feel like I'm losing sight of what I've been doing. | hg48bu4 | hg3unpn | 1,633,882,203 | 1,633,876,035 | 9 | 7 | Hope you regain the motivation again. Perspective is real HARD. There's no easy way on learning it, it takes time, effort and understanding. If you can't figure out how to create a box from Y line, try tracing on real objects (photo). That can help you understand how it works irl. Personally, viewing 3d box on a 3d program helped me understand how it looks on every angle. Always put time on practicing and understanding perspective. and remember that small progress is still a progress. | I feel like your understanding of perspective isn't quite there yet. Maybe watch a guide to 1, 2 and 3 point perspective of you're not sure how they work. Also if you're interested watch Syd Mead working to see how he uses perspective after a long career as an artist. This is a long set of videos but it's interesting to watch him work. He's spent his whole life drawing and still uses these principles. | 1 | 6,168 | 1.285714 | ||
ckafuo | artfundamentals_train | 0.8 | How will DrawABox help me? Im now 4 months into drawing and decided id try focusing a bit into fundamentals And i was wondering How Will this help me Example: I finish doing a lesson, i look at what i draw, and then what? If i do It correctly, do i Just move on to the next lesson straight away? or do i analyze It or something. Basically i need to know How Will It help me, and How do i know its helping me and the purpose behind it (Yes i Saw the Lesson 0 video but im dumb and i aint a fluent english speaker) | evl3nia | evmhzze | 1,564,589,962 | 1,564,608,298 | 3 | 8 | Well, it can help you in a number of ways if applied correctly. The exercises themselves are a great way to train your hand to draw confident precise lines. On top of that, mindful strokes promotes an economy of line. This encourages discipline and thoughtful mark making enabling you to construct a drawing with clean beautiful lines. And on top of that of course is being able to apply the knowledge you learn about volume and objects in perspective. Basically, these are the proper tools for solid construction of anything in drawing. Have you ever participated in a sport? Often, regardless of what the sport is, you will train very basic things like proper running form. Specific, sometimes odd exercises to train your body to move in the most efficient way possible. Thats what this is. The foundation that will allow you to confidently tackle more difficult subject because your motor mechanics and construction are sound. | I'll be completely honest - one of the biggest weaknesses of Drawabox is that it relies quite heavily on your ability to understand the lesson material. This means that it's considerably more difficult to use for those who don't have a solid grasp of English, and that important instructions will be missed. This is definitely a big issue with the videos. For the text, things like google translate may help, but I'm not sure how much. I'm noticing that you submitted a page of arrows as "my first drawabox lesson ever". This exercise was from Lesson 2. Skipping ahead or doing things out of order is discouraged early on, and I think you may have missed that due to the language barrier. This means that to make use of this material, you'll have to work harder than most to properly grasp what's explained there. At the very least, make sure you read the lessons rather than just trying to follow the videos, as at least the lessons can be translated with google translate (even if the translations aren't great). | 0 | 18,336 | 2.666667 | ||
c9guvw | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Drawabox vs Scott Robertson's 'How To Draw' I've been working through how to draw and saw that drawabox is quite similar to it. I was thinking of maybe using both but what would you recommend? | esys6an | esy4y5g | 1,562,348,458 | 1,562,339,064 | 37 | 22 | How To Draw is quite a bit more advanced, but would be the perfect thing to move on to after you've progressed through a good chunk of Draw A Box. They compliment each other very nicely. | I’m started by doing about half of Scott Robertson’s book and then I hit a wall and started to struggle. Gave up for a while and then discovered Drawabox. I’d say that Drawabox is a better grounding in the fundamentals, and How to Draw is a little more brief on the fundamentals and then goes the other way and is a bit more technical. That’s just my perception though so take that as you will. I’d say they compliment each other quite well. My personal plan now is to complete Drawabox and then go back to How to Draw where I left off and see how I fare then. | 1 | 9,394 | 1.681818 | ||
c9guvw | artfundamentals_train | 0.98 | Drawabox vs Scott Robertson's 'How To Draw' I've been working through how to draw and saw that drawabox is quite similar to it. I was thinking of maybe using both but what would you recommend? | et1iul1 | et0xnaz | 1,562,398,069 | 1,562,388,651 | 9 | 6 | Always both. Use everything you can. | I'm pretty aure Draw a Box drew inspiration from How To Draw | 1 | 9,418 | 1.5 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hpigjlp | hphep6r | 1,640,143,520 | 1,640,126,445 | 31 | 21 | From what I've read/ experienced, you only have 4-6 hours of focus per day. It can only be reset with sleep. DaB is hardcore focus, you are definitely not alone! If you depleted your focus meter before you get to do any DaB stuff, you might be better putting it off for a while instead of getting frustrated with it. After the focus is gone, I find it impossible to retain information/ improve anything anyway. | That's perfectly reasonable. Learning art is like learning a whole new language. In most cases you wouldn't expect people to be able to focus fully on learning something new for more than an hour or two at a time. It's not a race anyway, just do it at the rate you sustainably can rather than rushing. | 1 | 17,075 | 1.47619 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hpigjlp | hphgkz3 | 1,640,143,520 | 1,640,127,246 | 31 | 12 | From what I've read/ experienced, you only have 4-6 hours of focus per day. It can only be reset with sleep. DaB is hardcore focus, you are definitely not alone! If you depleted your focus meter before you get to do any DaB stuff, you might be better putting it off for a while instead of getting frustrated with it. After the focus is gone, I find it impossible to retain information/ improve anything anyway. | When I started I could barely focus for half an hour. It's common to not be able to draw for long periods of time at the start, but as you continue you'll build your stamina. | 1 | 16,274 | 2.583333 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hphtble | hpigjlp | 1,640,132,972 | 1,640,143,520 | 8 | 31 | Definitely normal. There are different methods of "how to study effeciently" and I wanna say the popular one is to study for 30 minutes, then 5 minute break, then 45 minutes, then another short break. It gives your body a chance to not get still and keep the muscles loose so you don't get uncomfortable sitting and fidgety. | From what I've read/ experienced, you only have 4-6 hours of focus per day. It can only be reset with sleep. DaB is hardcore focus, you are definitely not alone! If you depleted your focus meter before you get to do any DaB stuff, you might be better putting it off for a while instead of getting frustrated with it. After the focus is gone, I find it impossible to retain information/ improve anything anyway. | 0 | 10,548 | 3.875 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hphjstz | hpigjlp | 1,640,128,663 | 1,640,143,520 | 6 | 31 | I think this is very normal, I hope It'll improve for us with time though. | From what I've read/ experienced, you only have 4-6 hours of focus per day. It can only be reset with sleep. DaB is hardcore focus, you are definitely not alone! If you depleted your focus meter before you get to do any DaB stuff, you might be better putting it off for a while instead of getting frustrated with it. After the focus is gone, I find it impossible to retain information/ improve anything anyway. | 0 | 14,857 | 5.166667 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hpide7s | hpigjlp | 1,640,142,044 | 1,640,143,520 | 6 | 31 | I use a red, yellow, and green light for myself for mental fatjgue. Once i figured ojt hiw to balance it. I can draw for a while now. It may sound childish,but i am a grandpa | From what I've read/ experienced, you only have 4-6 hours of focus per day. It can only be reset with sleep. DaB is hardcore focus, you are definitely not alone! If you depleted your focus meter before you get to do any DaB stuff, you might be better putting it off for a while instead of getting frustrated with it. After the focus is gone, I find it impossible to retain information/ improve anything anyway. | 0 | 1,476 | 5.166667 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hphxx8p | hpigjlp | 1,640,135,046 | 1,640,143,520 | 4 | 31 | Following time regimens demotivates me, so I try to ride the waves of my own motivation, which generally happens in short spurts many times a day, sometimes only a few minutes, sometimes quite a while. | From what I've read/ experienced, you only have 4-6 hours of focus per day. It can only be reset with sleep. DaB is hardcore focus, you are definitely not alone! If you depleted your focus meter before you get to do any DaB stuff, you might be better putting it off for a while instead of getting frustrated with it. After the focus is gone, I find it impossible to retain information/ improve anything anyway. | 0 | 8,474 | 7.75 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hpigjlp | hpicwu4 | 1,640,143,520 | 1,640,141,823 | 31 | 3 | From what I've read/ experienced, you only have 4-6 hours of focus per day. It can only be reset with sleep. DaB is hardcore focus, you are definitely not alone! If you depleted your focus meter before you get to do any DaB stuff, you might be better putting it off for a while instead of getting frustrated with it. After the focus is gone, I find it impossible to retain information/ improve anything anyway. | Keep in mind every person learns differently because we are wired differently. DaB apparently works for some but not all; it would have bored me to pure failure. Explore other courses. Visit your public library for instructional books. Look at other online courses. | 1 | 1,697 | 10.333333 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hphtble | hpjujmg | 1,640,132,972 | 1,640,177,598 | 8 | 12 | Definitely normal. There are different methods of "how to study effeciently" and I wanna say the popular one is to study for 30 minutes, then 5 minute break, then 45 minutes, then another short break. It gives your body a chance to not get still and keep the muscles loose so you don't get uncomfortable sitting and fidgety. | Focussing for an hour at a time is pretty good. Don't worry about it. The learning effect is greater anyway if you spread your lessons over more days. | 0 | 44,626 | 1.5 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hphjstz | hpjujmg | 1,640,128,663 | 1,640,177,598 | 6 | 12 | I think this is very normal, I hope It'll improve for us with time though. | Focussing for an hour at a time is pretty good. Don't worry about it. The learning effect is greater anyway if you spread your lessons over more days. | 0 | 48,935 | 2 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hpide7s | hpjujmg | 1,640,142,044 | 1,640,177,598 | 6 | 12 | I use a red, yellow, and green light for myself for mental fatjgue. Once i figured ojt hiw to balance it. I can draw for a while now. It may sound childish,but i am a grandpa | Focussing for an hour at a time is pretty good. Don't worry about it. The learning effect is greater anyway if you spread your lessons over more days. | 0 | 35,554 | 2 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hphxx8p | hpjujmg | 1,640,135,046 | 1,640,177,598 | 4 | 12 | Following time regimens demotivates me, so I try to ride the waves of my own motivation, which generally happens in short spurts many times a day, sometimes only a few minutes, sometimes quite a while. | Focussing for an hour at a time is pretty good. Don't worry about it. The learning effect is greater anyway if you spread your lessons over more days. | 0 | 42,552 | 3 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hpjujmg | hpicwu4 | 1,640,177,598 | 1,640,141,823 | 12 | 3 | Focussing for an hour at a time is pretty good. Don't worry about it. The learning effect is greater anyway if you spread your lessons over more days. | Keep in mind every person learns differently because we are wired differently. DaB apparently works for some but not all; it would have bored me to pure failure. Explore other courses. Visit your public library for instructional books. Look at other online courses. | 1 | 35,775 | 4 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hphtble | hphjstz | 1,640,132,972 | 1,640,128,663 | 8 | 6 | Definitely normal. There are different methods of "how to study effeciently" and I wanna say the popular one is to study for 30 minutes, then 5 minute break, then 45 minutes, then another short break. It gives your body a chance to not get still and keep the muscles loose so you don't get uncomfortable sitting and fidgety. | I think this is very normal, I hope It'll improve for us with time though. | 1 | 4,309 | 1.333333 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hpide7s | hphxx8p | 1,640,142,044 | 1,640,135,046 | 6 | 4 | I use a red, yellow, and green light for myself for mental fatjgue. Once i figured ojt hiw to balance it. I can draw for a while now. It may sound childish,but i am a grandpa | Following time regimens demotivates me, so I try to ride the waves of my own motivation, which generally happens in short spurts many times a day, sometimes only a few minutes, sometimes quite a while. | 1 | 6,998 | 1.5 | ||
rlohoc | artfundamentals_train | 0.99 | Brain Fatigue sets in quickly when doing lessons. Is this normal? Something I've noticed when doing Draw-a-box is that I start to feel mentally fatigued pretty quickly when doing lessons. When I do the lessons I do them with a lazer focus and I try my best not to rush and to try my hardest because I want the end result to be an accurate demonstration of my current abilities. Unfortunately, i can only maintain that focus for an hour at a time at most before I need to stop. Some homework excersizes end up taking me a week or longer to complete. Is this normal or do I just have the mental focus of a goldfish? | hpide7s | hpicwu4 | 1,640,142,044 | 1,640,141,823 | 6 | 3 | I use a red, yellow, and green light for myself for mental fatjgue. Once i figured ojt hiw to balance it. I can draw for a while now. It may sound childish,but i am a grandpa | Keep in mind every person learns differently because we are wired differently. DaB apparently works for some but not all; it would have bored me to pure failure. Explore other courses. Visit your public library for instructional books. Look at other online courses. | 1 | 221 | 2 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flcb8nd | flbxd71 | 1,585,024,984 | 1,585,014,812 | 55 | 28 | Quit when you no longer enjoy the process. I’ve been a terrible photographer for 10 years and loved every minute of it. | If learning to draw is a life goal, something you feel you must do, **then do not quit**. Take breaks when you need to, study, talk to other artists, then go back to **practice**. I've been an artist all my life and there are things that are just now clicking for me at 42 years of age. If you have other interests and drawing is just one of them... if you like to do something else **more** than art/drawing - then by all means **do that thing**. | 1 | 10,172 | 1.964286 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flcb8nd | flbwtlq | 1,585,024,984 | 1,585,014,447 | 55 | 16 | Quit when you no longer enjoy the process. I’ve been a terrible photographer for 10 years and loved every minute of it. | Ultimately the answer to that question is up to you, but it might be more productive to look at how you've been approaching things. To start, while we do what we can to get students access to feedback on their work, there are limitations to what can be done for free. The community feedback relies upon other students taking the time to look at your work and offer reviews, and there is always going to be more demand than there are people willing to give that time. The community platform released at the beginning of February attempts to structure things so submissions that have not received feedback continue to circulate even when they're not on the front page, but the subreddit here has no such feature (which is why months were spent developing the community platform as a replacement). Still, even there feedback is not guaranteed, and even when it is received it can take weeks. The only guaranteed option - the official critiques from myself and my teaching assistants - is not free, as I had to stop reviewing all submitted work back in 2016 when it started getting overwhelming. It is extremely cheap, however. That aside, from what I can see, you've posted twice in the subreddit - a page of organic intersections 6 days ago, and a single plant 1 day ago. I've flipped through your post history and am not seeing any submission of Lesson 1 work, no 250 box challenge, and nothing that was any more than one page at a time. You'll note that in the instructions I do state that it is still best to post a full lesson's work all at once (on the community platform that's pretty much the only way you'll even end up in the main section where people get feedback, in order to ensure it doesn't get overly cluttered with people posting little bits at a time). So what I'm seeing is that it doesn't look like you tried to get feedback on the earlier material, and that overall there have only been a couple attempts. It's also hard to say how much time you've put into the course - how long ago did you start, and how much time have you put into each exercise? Some students look at the assignments and expect to be able to blaze through them relatively quickly, and without realizing it they rush - missing important instructions, or just not necessarily putting as much time into each individual mark. One way you can assess whether or not you're investing as much time as you probably should is to check out the fully recorded process videos of ScyllaStew here - she streams her progress through the lessons and serves as an excellent example of someone taking their time. Mind you, that means she spent something like 12 hours completing Lesson 1 alone. Additionally, the subreddit and community platform are not the only places you can get feedback. There is also the Discord chat server where every lesson has a dedicated channel. Just like everywhere else, feedback is not guaranteed - but if you have questions or need people to look at a specific exercise, there should usually be people around to give you pointers. Ultimately there is a different between you as a person, and the way you may approach things. If you're tired of trying, that's fair. Perhaps you'll pick drawing up again at a later time. But if you're still willing to fight it out, you may find that the way you were approaching it all was the issue, and that there may be key changes that can be made to achieve your goals more effectively. Deciding to submit your work for feedback a week ago was a good first start. | 1 | 10,537 | 3.4375 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flc8zaf | flcb8nd | 1,585,023,107 | 1,585,024,984 | 14 | 55 | 5 years?? If you have been practicing for 5 years consistently and following the tutorials as well.. thats just not possible unless you are doing it all wrong. The exercises in art fundamentals are NOT EASY even for a professional not gonna lie. They are very hard to nail even in your first 10 attempts. And what are you trying to draw anyways? There is a FZD design cinema episode 101 about sketching where fheng zhu talks about what to draw as a beginner. I highly recommend you go check that. Its almost an hour long but its worth it believe me. That dude runs one of the best colleges in the world for concept art. He starts of by drawing tree roots. Stuff thats completely random. So the margin for your mistakes is quite big for anyone to notice. Whereas the art fundamentals exercises are far from beginner. Because it is perspective based and we see perspective all the time so even if its off by a milimetre, our eye catches it instantly and margin of error is too small. Same with faces, anatomy and regular stuff like vases lamps and boxes! Instead draw roots, insects, animals we dont regularly see because no one know exactly how they look. And avoid perspective view too because then there is too much to consider and if one thing goes wrong, it all looks bad. Art is honestly very subjective. My suggestion is don't stick to one thing. Also if you are not having fun then whats the point. If you want any help anytime feel free to hmu with whats causing problem. I am pretty sure I can help you! | Quit when you no longer enjoy the process. I’ve been a terrible photographer for 10 years and loved every minute of it. | 0 | 1,877 | 3.928571 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flc9pzn | flcb8nd | 1,585,023,707 | 1,585,024,984 | 9 | 55 | Are you also making art for fun in addition to these lessons? The drawabox content is incredibly valuable but it's pretty dry, and intended to be done alongside the practice you do for joy's sake. Do you like doing characters? Landscapes? creatures? robots? The more you do of that the more you'll see how these lessons lock into the fun art stuff. I'm also about 5 years in and it took me a long time to see my progress, but it is there! Have you looked back at your first attempts from 5 years ago? I bet you've gotten better since then! | Quit when you no longer enjoy the process. I’ve been a terrible photographer for 10 years and loved every minute of it. | 0 | 1,277 | 6.111111 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flcb8nd | flcb7ma | 1,585,024,984 | 1,585,024,960 | 55 | 9 | Quit when you no longer enjoy the process. I’ve been a terrible photographer for 10 years and loved every minute of it. | I know that feel. My personal philosophy is that every crappy drawing I do gets me closer to a good drawing. You may want to adjust your mindset when it comes to doing art because we all know motivation is a real problem for artists. I recommend a book called The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. It helped me immensely by putting things in perspective and setting tangible goals for my art. | 1 | 24 | 6.111111 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flcb8nd | flca3mj | 1,585,024,984 | 1,585,024,019 | 55 | 5 | Quit when you no longer enjoy the process. I’ve been a terrible photographer for 10 years and loved every minute of it. | Uhm. It's gotta depend on what your goals are. Then plan milestones within that same goal. If you want, we can chat on Google Hangout, and we can figure it out. I have a bit of extra time now. Message me if you're interested. But yeah, it always comes down to clearly defined goals. | 1 | 965 | 11 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flcb8nd | flbwi8b | 1,585,024,984 | 1,585,014,235 | 55 | 4 | Quit when you no longer enjoy the process. I’ve been a terrible photographer for 10 years and loved every minute of it. | Hm... I have to think about that. I am sorry you experience it like this. Would it help if I say that I struggle, too? I still everything everyone else does is so much better. I only started with the lessons but they are hard... You know what I think? Either you are trying to hard and you need to change the way you see things or you haven't found the right medium or style, yet. Maybe you are also not able to see little improvements.. I don't know you. For me I am still at the boxes and man those are hard. Rough perspective O.O what? But hey I hit the vanishing point twice just twice in the exercise. But there were small improvements. I somehow fail to believe that someone who practises their drawing does not at least in some way improve. I wish I could look at your progress and tell you that but maybe someone who has done those lessons can help you out better. Don't be discouraged. Do the exercises but try something else. If you have never done painting - give it a try. A different technique/approach might feel like a refreshment. | 1 | 10,749 | 13.75 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flda3im | flbxd71 | 1,585,060,159 | 1,585,014,812 | 36 | 28 | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | If learning to draw is a life goal, something you feel you must do, **then do not quit**. Take breaks when you need to, study, talk to other artists, then go back to **practice**. I've been an artist all my life and there are things that are just now clicking for me at 42 years of age. If you have other interests and drawing is just one of them... if you like to do something else **more** than art/drawing - then by all means **do that thing**. | 1 | 45,347 | 1.285714 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flda3im | flcr8w4 | 1,585,060,159 | 1,585,043,019 | 36 | 27 | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine. | 1 | 17,140 | 1.333333 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flda3im | flcbwzr | 1,585,060,159 | 1,585,025,573 | 36 | 21 | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | Relax mate, be kind to yourself everything you draw isn't horrible, could it be better yes but that Is true for everyone, were all hard on ourselves we all look at the things we make and are a little bit dissatisfied, I don't know if it ever goes away to be honest. You are awesome at drawing, and you can be so much more, you can be the best draftsman in the world, i believe in you 100 percent. Take it one step at a time one step after the other, and the best advice I can give you is to put pen to paper every day and enjoy the process the outcome isn't important right now, you are training excercising the muscle of your mind | 1 | 34,586 | 1.714286 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flbwtlq | flda3im | 1,585,014,447 | 1,585,060,159 | 16 | 36 | Ultimately the answer to that question is up to you, but it might be more productive to look at how you've been approaching things. To start, while we do what we can to get students access to feedback on their work, there are limitations to what can be done for free. The community feedback relies upon other students taking the time to look at your work and offer reviews, and there is always going to be more demand than there are people willing to give that time. The community platform released at the beginning of February attempts to structure things so submissions that have not received feedback continue to circulate even when they're not on the front page, but the subreddit here has no such feature (which is why months were spent developing the community platform as a replacement). Still, even there feedback is not guaranteed, and even when it is received it can take weeks. The only guaranteed option - the official critiques from myself and my teaching assistants - is not free, as I had to stop reviewing all submitted work back in 2016 when it started getting overwhelming. It is extremely cheap, however. That aside, from what I can see, you've posted twice in the subreddit - a page of organic intersections 6 days ago, and a single plant 1 day ago. I've flipped through your post history and am not seeing any submission of Lesson 1 work, no 250 box challenge, and nothing that was any more than one page at a time. You'll note that in the instructions I do state that it is still best to post a full lesson's work all at once (on the community platform that's pretty much the only way you'll even end up in the main section where people get feedback, in order to ensure it doesn't get overly cluttered with people posting little bits at a time). So what I'm seeing is that it doesn't look like you tried to get feedback on the earlier material, and that overall there have only been a couple attempts. It's also hard to say how much time you've put into the course - how long ago did you start, and how much time have you put into each exercise? Some students look at the assignments and expect to be able to blaze through them relatively quickly, and without realizing it they rush - missing important instructions, or just not necessarily putting as much time into each individual mark. One way you can assess whether or not you're investing as much time as you probably should is to check out the fully recorded process videos of ScyllaStew here - she streams her progress through the lessons and serves as an excellent example of someone taking their time. Mind you, that means she spent something like 12 hours completing Lesson 1 alone. Additionally, the subreddit and community platform are not the only places you can get feedback. There is also the Discord chat server where every lesson has a dedicated channel. Just like everywhere else, feedback is not guaranteed - but if you have questions or need people to look at a specific exercise, there should usually be people around to give you pointers. Ultimately there is a different between you as a person, and the way you may approach things. If you're tired of trying, that's fair. Perhaps you'll pick drawing up again at a later time. But if you're still willing to fight it out, you may find that the way you were approaching it all was the issue, and that there may be key changes that can be made to achieve your goals more effectively. Deciding to submit your work for feedback a week ago was a good first start. | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | 0 | 45,712 | 2.25 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flcglra | flda3im | 1,585,030,093 | 1,585,060,159 | 16 | 36 | Don’t worry I think this is just a regular thing all artists go through. I’ve been drawing for 15 years now and I still go through periods of getting frustrated with myself because I feel like I should be better than I am. I’ve even taken year long breaks because I thought I would never be good enough anyway so what’s the point of trying but I always kept coming back to it because it’s my passion. Just have patience and work on things you’re actually passionate about rather than always just doing exercises to get better. I’ve found that’s when I improve the most. I’m a comic artist and for the longest time I wouldn’t allow myself to work on any of the projects I wanted to work on because in my mind I wasn’t good enough but last year I just said fuck it and started working on one anyway and I’m enjoying myself more and improving a lot faster. Growth is hard and it takes a lot of patience so try and work on things you enjoy even if the end result doesn’t look up to your own standards I’m sure it’s still really good! | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | 0 | 30,066 | 2.25 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flda3im | flc8zaf | 1,585,060,159 | 1,585,023,107 | 36 | 14 | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | 5 years?? If you have been practicing for 5 years consistently and following the tutorials as well.. thats just not possible unless you are doing it all wrong. The exercises in art fundamentals are NOT EASY even for a professional not gonna lie. They are very hard to nail even in your first 10 attempts. And what are you trying to draw anyways? There is a FZD design cinema episode 101 about sketching where fheng zhu talks about what to draw as a beginner. I highly recommend you go check that. Its almost an hour long but its worth it believe me. That dude runs one of the best colleges in the world for concept art. He starts of by drawing tree roots. Stuff thats completely random. So the margin for your mistakes is quite big for anyone to notice. Whereas the art fundamentals exercises are far from beginner. Because it is perspective based and we see perspective all the time so even if its off by a milimetre, our eye catches it instantly and margin of error is too small. Same with faces, anatomy and regular stuff like vases lamps and boxes! Instead draw roots, insects, animals we dont regularly see because no one know exactly how they look. And avoid perspective view too because then there is too much to consider and if one thing goes wrong, it all looks bad. Art is honestly very subjective. My suggestion is don't stick to one thing. Also if you are not having fun then whats the point. If you want any help anytime feel free to hmu with whats causing problem. I am pretty sure I can help you! | 1 | 37,052 | 2.571429 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flda3im | flcz6lx | 1,585,060,159 | 1,585,051,993 | 36 | 14 | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool. | 1 | 8,166 | 2.571429 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flcih5f | flda3im | 1,585,032,141 | 1,585,060,159 | 13 | 36 | I'm also a beginner so take it with a grain of salt, but I have to wonder why you want to learn? Do you want to make a career out of it? Do you want to show off to other people? Or is it just something you like doing? Because if you like it, then who cares if you suck. And if you dont like it, who cares if you're good? I'm pretty bad but having the freedom to suck can be liberating. | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | 0 | 28,018 | 2.769231 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flda3im | flcwuxe | 1,585,060,159 | 1,585,049,700 | 36 | 13 | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | As others have said, you need to be doing art for the right reasons. There will always be someone better than you and there will always be someone worse. As such, you can't compare yourself to others otherwise you will spiral into a pit of self loathing. You also can't expect others to be able to give you the answers. I can't tell you the literal steps I took to get to the point where I could draw ok, it just happened after years and years of just drawing really shitty stuff that I enjoyed drawing. All I can say is yes do the exercises but draw from life and what's around you, draw what you like and don't wait on people to give you feedback before you have another go. If drawing is something you enjoy, then do it. | 1 | 10,459 | 2.769231 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flcl9gh | flda3im | 1,585,035,409 | 1,585,060,159 | 12 | 36 | I quit after the second boxes homework and started to do plant studies. While the courses are incredibly informative, I feel like there’s just too much stuff to grasp at once as another beginner myself. And way too much work on top of that. It took 40 minutes to finish one of the box homeworks and I was just done. (I do understand why he has the work and exercises set up like this, but they’re just not fun and are grueling to get through) There’s nothing wrong with Drawabox not being right for you, but I hope you don’t give up drawing. At the end of the day though, sketching, and art in general, is supposed to be fun. A major pitfall I saw with myself is I would compare my progress with that of my other art friends and would pressure myself to rush and get better myself all at once and then beat myself up when it came out looking wrong or just in a way I like. Though, I’ve since noticed everybody has a different journey with art, and with different paces of progress. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I found it helpful to take a step back from formal lessons and reading about how I can get better, to just saying screw it and drawing what I wanted to instead. Try to find something that you like to sketch. Maybe it’s random, different things or something that’s piqued your interest, or something you found in real life. And then try replicate it on your pad. Slowly but surely you’ll find yourself getting better and better at art and drawing! I personally found it helpful to make a little streak for yourself and see how many days you can go by drawing at least one thing a day! | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | 0 | 24,750 | 3 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flda3im | flchogu | 1,585,060,159 | 1,585,031,260 | 36 | 10 | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | I tried to do drawabox a while ago. (Using a different account than this) Sitting around doing nothing all day was starting to feel mind numbing and I felt like putting that empty time towards a skill would be worth my while. The site seems amazingly well done and I’m impressed by what the creator has accomplished and the community feedback. However, it took me multiple hours to get through one page of practice activities, and therefore multiple months to make very little progress over all. As awful as it felt to sit and stare at a wall all day, doing the activities felt even worse. As I sat there my brain turned to mushy static, my breathing became uneven, my vision got blurry and my body would start to vibrate. I wondered if the payoff at the end would eventually be worth it. I imagined myself being able to produce great art pieces but having years of THAT behind me, and continuing to do so for many more years (as they say, art is something you must constantly practice and improve on). Though, I don’t really think that this is something specific to art-I have run into the same problem when practicing any skill. Attempting to learn an instrument, to write, to do physical things with my body, etc. When I picture the payoff at the end (having whichever skill) and I compare it to the cost (which is generally gonna be experiencing THAT on a frequent and constant basis to both build, upkeep, and improve the skill), the cost seems disproportionate to the payoff. I guess that’s what I would consider the main thing to think about. Picture yourself as a highly proficient artist one day, then picture the cost to you to get there. Is the cost worth the payoff? | 1 | 28,899 | 3.6 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flda3im | flc9pzn | 1,585,060,159 | 1,585,023,707 | 36 | 9 | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | Are you also making art for fun in addition to these lessons? The drawabox content is incredibly valuable but it's pretty dry, and intended to be done alongside the practice you do for joy's sake. Do you like doing characters? Landscapes? creatures? robots? The more you do of that the more you'll see how these lessons lock into the fun art stuff. I'm also about 5 years in and it took me a long time to see my progress, but it is there! Have you looked back at your first attempts from 5 years ago? I bet you've gotten better since then! | 1 | 36,452 | 4 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | fld322t | flda3im | 1,585,055,235 | 1,585,060,159 | 10 | 36 | Do you enjoy drawing? Your answer to that question is the inverse my answer for whether you should quit. | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | 0 | 4,924 | 3.6 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | fld3c9x | flda3im | 1,585,055,455 | 1,585,060,159 | 10 | 36 | I think your in your head too much. Relax and just have fun. Find what kind of art you like doing and just do that. If you're always studying you'll get burned out quickly, and after 20 minutes of work your brain gets dimishing returns. | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | 0 | 4,704 | 3.6 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flcb7ma | flda3im | 1,585,024,960 | 1,585,060,159 | 9 | 36 | I know that feel. My personal philosophy is that every crappy drawing I do gets me closer to a good drawing. You may want to adjust your mindset when it comes to doing art because we all know motivation is a real problem for artists. I recommend a book called The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. It helped me immensely by putting things in perspective and setting tangible goals for my art. | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | 0 | 35,199 | 4 | ||
fnwdtf | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”. | flda3im | flclquk | 1,585,060,159 | 1,585,035,999 | 36 | 10 | Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-) | Maybe thats just not the way your brain learnes. You could try to just draw from life or something. | 1 | 24,160 | 3.6 |
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