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v672gi | artfundamentals_train | 0.93 | Fineliners get ruined real fast, need help. I have bought 3 fineliners: an Artliner, a Steadler pigment liner and a Sakura Pigma Micron. Each one of them got to the point that they are unusable by a week of usage. The lines look like garbage and I have to hold them near perpendicular for them to even create a mark. I am applying the same pressure that I apply to a 0.5 mechanical pencil and I am not leaving them with their cap off. Why are the nibs wearing out this fast? | ibgbcdg | ibf3r7m | 1,654,576,518 | 1,654,553,753 | 14 | 12 | My fineliners run out of ink before their tip frays. It’s all about the pressure, angle and surface texture with these things. They have a fragile tip. Hold at 90deg, remember that it’s not a pencil and draw on smooth surfaces. Pad your paper if your table’s texture is pushing through. | You're supposed to use fineliners perpendicular | 1 | 22,765 | 1.166667 | ||
v672gi | artfundamentals_train | 0.93 | Fineliners get ruined real fast, need help. I have bought 3 fineliners: an Artliner, a Steadler pigment liner and a Sakura Pigma Micron. Each one of them got to the point that they are unusable by a week of usage. The lines look like garbage and I have to hold them near perpendicular for them to even create a mark. I am applying the same pressure that I apply to a 0.5 mechanical pencil and I am not leaving them with their cap off. Why are the nibs wearing out this fast? | ibgbcdg | ibg7ac8 | 1,654,576,518 | 1,654,573,978 | 14 | 11 | My fineliners run out of ink before their tip frays. It’s all about the pressure, angle and surface texture with these things. They have a fragile tip. Hold at 90deg, remember that it’s not a pencil and draw on smooth surfaces. Pad your paper if your table’s texture is pushing through. | With fine liners, they aren't meant to be used like pencils. It would help if you used a tripod grip (thumb, forefinger, and middle finger) while holding the pen at a 90-degree angle or as near as you can comfortably draw. When you draw at a 45-degree (like a pencil) angle you chip away at the nib and grind it down which causes the streaky lines. A single fine liner should last around 2 weeks with around 2-4 hours of daily use. I used Staedtler since they were more economical than Sakuras. | 1 | 2,540 | 1.272727 | ||
v672gi | artfundamentals_train | 0.93 | Fineliners get ruined real fast, need help. I have bought 3 fineliners: an Artliner, a Steadler pigment liner and a Sakura Pigma Micron. Each one of them got to the point that they are unusable by a week of usage. The lines look like garbage and I have to hold them near perpendicular for them to even create a mark. I am applying the same pressure that I apply to a 0.5 mechanical pencil and I am not leaving them with their cap off. Why are the nibs wearing out this fast? | ibh0r5f | ibh6zmk | 1,654,598,034 | 1,654,602,658 | 3 | 8 | Would an extra fine fountain pen do the trick? I’ve been using mine for a while at it works well enough - plus it’s reusable | Perhaps changing your paper will solve the problem. Smoother the better. When i first started drawing i would use Microns with paper made for pencil drawings (quite a bit of tooth.) Not only did it not feel satisfying to use a pen on that material, it absolutely destroyed my nibs. If you want cheap but smooth paper, look into the HP Premium Laser Printer Paper. Its smooth and it's like 7 bucks for 500 sheets. | 0 | 4,624 | 2.666667 | ||
yrnrar | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | Can I practice all of lesson 1 if I don't successfully complete 1.1? I've been working on 1.1 for a week for 30min a day and there isn't any improvement. I wanted to try other exercises to see if that would help. | ivujdd9 | ivujs5v | 1,668,105,335 | 1,668,105,495 | 1 | 29 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | The purpose of the assigned quantity is not for you to necessarily see improvement over that amount. It's to produce a body of work that, once you're done the lesson, someone else can critique in order to identify whether you understand the purpose/goal of each exercise, and whether you're moving in the right direction. As laid out in Lesson 0 (which if you have not gone through, I strongly recommend you do), you should not be grinding away at one exercise until you feel satisfied - relying on our own arbitrary standards tends to lead to a lot of wasted time and effort. | 0 | 160 | 29 | ||
yrnrar | artfundamentals_train | 0.9 | Can I practice all of lesson 1 if I don't successfully complete 1.1? I've been working on 1.1 for a week for 30min a day and there isn't any improvement. I wanted to try other exercises to see if that would help. | ivujdd9 | ivvwt1i | 1,668,105,335 | 1,668,125,785 | 1 | 22 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | I appreciate you are trying to improve on 1.1 exercises however I would strongly recommend that you simply complete the amount of work each exercise requires of you. **Not more, no less.** You might of missed that during Lesson 0 so here's a link to it: https://drawabox.com/lesson/0/3/gettingthemost Each Lesson builds upon the concepts of exercises in previous lessons so I wouldn't worry about seeing improvement yet (especially after only one week). Looking at Lesson 1.1 Superimposed lines it looks like you only need to do 2 pages of them. Here's a link to that: https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/4/homework I wish you well, JustCuteGirlz | 0 | 20,450 | 22 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fynadpk | fyn5kvv | 1,595,241,112 | 1,595,236,106 | 30 | 18 | I think Ctrl Paint might be the answer. It covers the fundamentals (and a lot more) all in a Digital environment. It's all for free (which is incredibile) and if you wish to really deep dive there are bundles you can buy. I found myself in a similar situation back then. I moved away from pen and paper because of frustration and focusing on digital only. It was not the solution because the same frustation was hitting me, caused by not enough confidence when it comes to perspective, forms, volumes etc. What brought me back was "ignoring line quality". I just focused on "putting the right line in the right place". Now this is super personal and I am not suggesting to do the same, but it got me back in the game. To better understand what I mean look at Scott Robertson line quality vs John Park. Looking at Scott's work was killing me, while imitating the loose lines of John's work made the process more enjoyable to me. It allowed me to grind the mileage and become confident in drawing. | I'm somebody who focuses primarily on digital and have been following this course regardless. In the recommended pen on paper of course. And I've found a lot of the fundamentals it teaches has been super valuable to images in general. From composition to to construction to perspective to contours (which will help values tons!). I personally wouldn't chastise you if you did it digitally. But I would worry that you'd just ctrl-z or layer away the mistakes that are fundemental to be made and to be lived with. This is just a basics course. Nothing to be horribly concerned about physically. And if you really *really* need to do it digitally for some reason, then I'm sure you can at the very least set up a discord or a group chat to get critique without the chastising. I wish you the best on your arting journey. | 1 | 5,006 | 1.666667 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fynadpk | fyn2uj3 | 1,595,241,112 | 1,595,233,233 | 30 | 6 | I think Ctrl Paint might be the answer. It covers the fundamentals (and a lot more) all in a Digital environment. It's all for free (which is incredibile) and if you wish to really deep dive there are bundles you can buy. I found myself in a similar situation back then. I moved away from pen and paper because of frustration and focusing on digital only. It was not the solution because the same frustation was hitting me, caused by not enough confidence when it comes to perspective, forms, volumes etc. What brought me back was "ignoring line quality". I just focused on "putting the right line in the right place". Now this is super personal and I am not suggesting to do the same, but it got me back in the game. To better understand what I mean look at Scott Robertson line quality vs John Park. Looking at Scott's work was killing me, while imitating the loose lines of John's work made the process more enjoyable to me. It allowed me to grind the mileage and become confident in drawing. | A ton of artists have quoted this. "I hope your digital skills can trnasfer to traditional and vice versa" . Only the thought tho. And really the principles of traditional art transfer to digital. Gradations, tones, coloring, etc. will be useless if your fundamentals are weak. | 1 | 7,879 | 5 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyn17jh | fynadpk | 1,595,231,558 | 1,595,241,112 | 3 | 30 | I don't think there is a system like this one for digital painting. It's built around using ink liners for a specific reason and wouldn't transfer well into digital painting. I think your best bet would be picking up digital painting courses(from Udemy maybe?), and joining some subreddits where people are willing to give feedback on other's art. | I think Ctrl Paint might be the answer. It covers the fundamentals (and a lot more) all in a Digital environment. It's all for free (which is incredibile) and if you wish to really deep dive there are bundles you can buy. I found myself in a similar situation back then. I moved away from pen and paper because of frustration and focusing on digital only. It was not the solution because the same frustation was hitting me, caused by not enough confidence when it comes to perspective, forms, volumes etc. What brought me back was "ignoring line quality". I just focused on "putting the right line in the right place". Now this is super personal and I am not suggesting to do the same, but it got me back in the game. To better understand what I mean look at Scott Robertson line quality vs John Park. Looking at Scott's work was killing me, while imitating the loose lines of John's work made the process more enjoyable to me. It allowed me to grind the mileage and become confident in drawing. | 0 | 9,554 | 10 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fynadpk | fyn6kgk | 1,595,241,112 | 1,595,237,140 | 30 | -20 | I think Ctrl Paint might be the answer. It covers the fundamentals (and a lot more) all in a Digital environment. It's all for free (which is incredibile) and if you wish to really deep dive there are bundles you can buy. I found myself in a similar situation back then. I moved away from pen and paper because of frustration and focusing on digital only. It was not the solution because the same frustation was hitting me, caused by not enough confidence when it comes to perspective, forms, volumes etc. What brought me back was "ignoring line quality". I just focused on "putting the right line in the right place". Now this is super personal and I am not suggesting to do the same, but it got me back in the game. To better understand what I mean look at Scott Robertson line quality vs John Park. Looking at Scott's work was killing me, while imitating the loose lines of John's work made the process more enjoyable to me. It allowed me to grind the mileage and become confident in drawing. | YouTube is a thing... | 1 | 3,972 | -1.5 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyn2uj3 | fyn5kvv | 1,595,233,233 | 1,595,236,106 | 6 | 18 | A ton of artists have quoted this. "I hope your digital skills can trnasfer to traditional and vice versa" . Only the thought tho. And really the principles of traditional art transfer to digital. Gradations, tones, coloring, etc. will be useless if your fundamentals are weak. | I'm somebody who focuses primarily on digital and have been following this course regardless. In the recommended pen on paper of course. And I've found a lot of the fundamentals it teaches has been super valuable to images in general. From composition to to construction to perspective to contours (which will help values tons!). I personally wouldn't chastise you if you did it digitally. But I would worry that you'd just ctrl-z or layer away the mistakes that are fundemental to be made and to be lived with. This is just a basics course. Nothing to be horribly concerned about physically. And if you really *really* need to do it digitally for some reason, then I'm sure you can at the very least set up a discord or a group chat to get critique without the chastising. I wish you the best on your arting journey. | 0 | 2,873 | 3 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyn17jh | fyn5kvv | 1,595,231,558 | 1,595,236,106 | 3 | 18 | I don't think there is a system like this one for digital painting. It's built around using ink liners for a specific reason and wouldn't transfer well into digital painting. I think your best bet would be picking up digital painting courses(from Udemy maybe?), and joining some subreddits where people are willing to give feedback on other's art. | I'm somebody who focuses primarily on digital and have been following this course regardless. In the recommended pen on paper of course. And I've found a lot of the fundamentals it teaches has been super valuable to images in general. From composition to to construction to perspective to contours (which will help values tons!). I personally wouldn't chastise you if you did it digitally. But I would worry that you'd just ctrl-z or layer away the mistakes that are fundemental to be made and to be lived with. This is just a basics course. Nothing to be horribly concerned about physically. And if you really *really* need to do it digitally for some reason, then I'm sure you can at the very least set up a discord or a group chat to get critique without the chastising. I wish you the best on your arting journey. | 0 | 4,548 | 6 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyo252n | fynnci8 | 1,595,259,805 | 1,595,251,600 | 15 | 12 | I’ve been doing drawabox exclusively on procreate on IPad and I’ve seen great improvement in my skills. Would it be better to do it with paper and ink? Maybe, but I’m MUCH more motivated to practice digitally so I figure doing it at all is better than not doing it traditionally. If you are looking for something with the same sort of teaching style, I recommend /r/istebrak. She is strict but extremely knowledgeable about digital painting. I’ve been absorbing it slowly and learning a lot. | From my experience between traditonal and digital art, and like some have said in the comments as well-- Doing things traditional and in pen forces you to think before you ink, and if you make a mistake then it's stuck there. Which makes finding those mistakes in a critique easier. Hard to do with ctrl+z just a click away. The course also specifies a pen weight. Which when drawing 100 cubes in perspective will help make sure all your lines follow back correctly and eliminates a from the possible mistakes your making. I found doing this digitally easier but I still suck at drawing convincing straight lines without a tool. And what I found most helpful is that with traditional you have the freedom to use the entire sheet of paper with your whole arm, at any angle which helps train your arm to draw lines when they say "try drawing it this way" which is a lot harder to do off a tablet or cintiq. Overall nothing is stopping you from doing it digital if you want to try and recreate the same restrictions. As for feedback checking your work against others or yeah hopping on a discord would still be a way to make sure your on the right track! As for something to look into: Framed Ink 1 and 2 have a HEAP of perspective stuff, won't cover everything but covers the hardest part (I struggled with perspective the most) Good Luck with your art journey! tLdR; They said do traditional for a reason, the skills transfer over. Most of it might have to do with cutting out common errors but the fundamentals are core regardless of medium. | 1 | 8,205 | 1.25 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyn2uj3 | fyo252n | 1,595,233,233 | 1,595,259,805 | 6 | 15 | A ton of artists have quoted this. "I hope your digital skills can trnasfer to traditional and vice versa" . Only the thought tho. And really the principles of traditional art transfer to digital. Gradations, tones, coloring, etc. will be useless if your fundamentals are weak. | I’ve been doing drawabox exclusively on procreate on IPad and I’ve seen great improvement in my skills. Would it be better to do it with paper and ink? Maybe, but I’m MUCH more motivated to practice digitally so I figure doing it at all is better than not doing it traditionally. If you are looking for something with the same sort of teaching style, I recommend /r/istebrak. She is strict but extremely knowledgeable about digital painting. I’ve been absorbing it slowly and learning a lot. | 0 | 26,572 | 2.5 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fynn0kv | fyo252n | 1,595,251,387 | 1,595,259,805 | 7 | 15 | As a digital artist, I’d still recommend doing this course as directed and working digitally for your personal work. Skills from traditional work will transfer perfectly to digital, but not as much the other way around. Control Z, brushes with pen pressure, an infinite number of textured brushes and opacity control hide a lot of sins that your work will be stronger for growing past. If you just want the content without engaging with drawabox, Scott Robertson’s “How to Draw” tackles similar construction principles, but is a much dryer experience. | I’ve been doing drawabox exclusively on procreate on IPad and I’ve seen great improvement in my skills. Would it be better to do it with paper and ink? Maybe, but I’m MUCH more motivated to practice digitally so I figure doing it at all is better than not doing it traditionally. If you are looking for something with the same sort of teaching style, I recommend /r/istebrak. She is strict but extremely knowledgeable about digital painting. I’ve been absorbing it slowly and learning a lot. | 0 | 8,418 | 2.142857 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyo252n | fynu0vc | 1,595,259,805 | 1,595,255,534 | 15 | 7 | I’ve been doing drawabox exclusively on procreate on IPad and I’ve seen great improvement in my skills. Would it be better to do it with paper and ink? Maybe, but I’m MUCH more motivated to practice digitally so I figure doing it at all is better than not doing it traditionally. If you are looking for something with the same sort of teaching style, I recommend /r/istebrak. She is strict but extremely knowledgeable about digital painting. I’ve been absorbing it slowly and learning a lot. | At the end of the day, arguably it's better to practice in any medium you can use than to not practice at all, so if doing it in ink is going to make you not want to practice fundamentals, then by all means, do it in digital. Nothing in drawabox is a do-or-die rule; just guidelines. But, I agree in this case that it is better to use ink instead of digital because you learn from your mistakes faster due to not having the ability to undo. While you could do things like disable/not use undo in digital, it's the thought that you still have the ability to undo that makes digital not as ideal. Meanwhile, once an ink line is put down, there's no going back. And yes, submitting digital homework will get you plenty of comments on how you should use ink instead of digital, since drawing in ink is one of the biggest recommendations on this site. If you're serious about digital art, that doesn't mean you need to practice in digital art all the time. In fact, I think it's beneficial to do fundamentals practice traditionally rather than digitally, because you don't have as many shortcuts in traditional, so you learn from mistakes faster. Yes, your art doesn't come out looking as good in traditional at first, but that's the whole point--if you can achieve a level of mastery where your traditional art looks amazing, that means you have a strong grasp of fundamentals. Transferring those skills over to digital will be a lot easier. | 1 | 4,271 | 2.142857 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyo252n | fyn17jh | 1,595,259,805 | 1,595,231,558 | 15 | 3 | I’ve been doing drawabox exclusively on procreate on IPad and I’ve seen great improvement in my skills. Would it be better to do it with paper and ink? Maybe, but I’m MUCH more motivated to practice digitally so I figure doing it at all is better than not doing it traditionally. If you are looking for something with the same sort of teaching style, I recommend /r/istebrak. She is strict but extremely knowledgeable about digital painting. I’ve been absorbing it slowly and learning a lot. | I don't think there is a system like this one for digital painting. It's built around using ink liners for a specific reason and wouldn't transfer well into digital painting. I think your best bet would be picking up digital painting courses(from Udemy maybe?), and joining some subreddits where people are willing to give feedback on other's art. | 1 | 28,247 | 5 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyo252n | fyn6kgk | 1,595,259,805 | 1,595,237,140 | 15 | -20 | I’ve been doing drawabox exclusively on procreate on IPad and I’ve seen great improvement in my skills. Would it be better to do it with paper and ink? Maybe, but I’m MUCH more motivated to practice digitally so I figure doing it at all is better than not doing it traditionally. If you are looking for something with the same sort of teaching style, I recommend /r/istebrak. She is strict but extremely knowledgeable about digital painting. I’ve been absorbing it slowly and learning a lot. | YouTube is a thing... | 1 | 22,665 | -0.75 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyogpxw | fyo9dof | 1,595,266,936 | 1,595,263,386 | 12 | 8 | For this course specifically, download HEAVYPAINT . it's an application designed to give you the traditional experience, there is no eraser, no layers, no undo, just some brushes and a canvas. that should put you at ease. however, be careful about "going your own way", the best Colleges in the world, CalArts, Artcenter etc, that produce the best digital artists for the industry, do make their students go through traditional drawing and painting. So there better be a good reason for you to stick to your guns. There's a reason this specific advice is held so sacred to this course. | Yeah if you aint gunna draw traditionally regardless of what anyone says just do it in digital. I started in traditional, but quickly swapped to digital doing the drawabox stuff. Still have improved vastly | 1 | 3,550 | 1.5 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyn2uj3 | fyogpxw | 1,595,233,233 | 1,595,266,936 | 6 | 12 | A ton of artists have quoted this. "I hope your digital skills can trnasfer to traditional and vice versa" . Only the thought tho. And really the principles of traditional art transfer to digital. Gradations, tones, coloring, etc. will be useless if your fundamentals are weak. | For this course specifically, download HEAVYPAINT . it's an application designed to give you the traditional experience, there is no eraser, no layers, no undo, just some brushes and a canvas. that should put you at ease. however, be careful about "going your own way", the best Colleges in the world, CalArts, Artcenter etc, that produce the best digital artists for the industry, do make their students go through traditional drawing and painting. So there better be a good reason for you to stick to your guns. There's a reason this specific advice is held so sacred to this course. | 0 | 33,703 | 2 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyogpxw | fynn0kv | 1,595,266,936 | 1,595,251,387 | 12 | 7 | For this course specifically, download HEAVYPAINT . it's an application designed to give you the traditional experience, there is no eraser, no layers, no undo, just some brushes and a canvas. that should put you at ease. however, be careful about "going your own way", the best Colleges in the world, CalArts, Artcenter etc, that produce the best digital artists for the industry, do make their students go through traditional drawing and painting. So there better be a good reason for you to stick to your guns. There's a reason this specific advice is held so sacred to this course. | As a digital artist, I’d still recommend doing this course as directed and working digitally for your personal work. Skills from traditional work will transfer perfectly to digital, but not as much the other way around. Control Z, brushes with pen pressure, an infinite number of textured brushes and opacity control hide a lot of sins that your work will be stronger for growing past. If you just want the content without engaging with drawabox, Scott Robertson’s “How to Draw” tackles similar construction principles, but is a much dryer experience. | 1 | 15,549 | 1.714286 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyogpxw | fynu0vc | 1,595,266,936 | 1,595,255,534 | 12 | 7 | For this course specifically, download HEAVYPAINT . it's an application designed to give you the traditional experience, there is no eraser, no layers, no undo, just some brushes and a canvas. that should put you at ease. however, be careful about "going your own way", the best Colleges in the world, CalArts, Artcenter etc, that produce the best digital artists for the industry, do make their students go through traditional drawing and painting. So there better be a good reason for you to stick to your guns. There's a reason this specific advice is held so sacred to this course. | At the end of the day, arguably it's better to practice in any medium you can use than to not practice at all, so if doing it in ink is going to make you not want to practice fundamentals, then by all means, do it in digital. Nothing in drawabox is a do-or-die rule; just guidelines. But, I agree in this case that it is better to use ink instead of digital because you learn from your mistakes faster due to not having the ability to undo. While you could do things like disable/not use undo in digital, it's the thought that you still have the ability to undo that makes digital not as ideal. Meanwhile, once an ink line is put down, there's no going back. And yes, submitting digital homework will get you plenty of comments on how you should use ink instead of digital, since drawing in ink is one of the biggest recommendations on this site. If you're serious about digital art, that doesn't mean you need to practice in digital art all the time. In fact, I think it's beneficial to do fundamentals practice traditionally rather than digitally, because you don't have as many shortcuts in traditional, so you learn from mistakes faster. Yes, your art doesn't come out looking as good in traditional at first, but that's the whole point--if you can achieve a level of mastery where your traditional art looks amazing, that means you have a strong grasp of fundamentals. Transferring those skills over to digital will be a lot easier. | 1 | 11,402 | 1.714286 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyo4edr | fyogpxw | 1,595,260,941 | 1,595,266,936 | 5 | 12 | Forcing? Just do everything digitally if you want to, where's the forcing? | For this course specifically, download HEAVYPAINT . it's an application designed to give you the traditional experience, there is no eraser, no layers, no undo, just some brushes and a canvas. that should put you at ease. however, be careful about "going your own way", the best Colleges in the world, CalArts, Artcenter etc, that produce the best digital artists for the industry, do make their students go through traditional drawing and painting. So there better be a good reason for you to stick to your guns. There's a reason this specific advice is held so sacred to this course. | 0 | 5,995 | 2.4 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyn17jh | fyogpxw | 1,595,231,558 | 1,595,266,936 | 3 | 12 | I don't think there is a system like this one for digital painting. It's built around using ink liners for a specific reason and wouldn't transfer well into digital painting. I think your best bet would be picking up digital painting courses(from Udemy maybe?), and joining some subreddits where people are willing to give feedback on other's art. | For this course specifically, download HEAVYPAINT . it's an application designed to give you the traditional experience, there is no eraser, no layers, no undo, just some brushes and a canvas. that should put you at ease. however, be careful about "going your own way", the best Colleges in the world, CalArts, Artcenter etc, that produce the best digital artists for the industry, do make their students go through traditional drawing and painting. So there better be a good reason for you to stick to your guns. There's a reason this specific advice is held so sacred to this course. | 0 | 35,378 | 4 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyogpxw | fyoeg3k | 1,595,266,936 | 1,595,265,842 | 12 | 4 | For this course specifically, download HEAVYPAINT . it's an application designed to give you the traditional experience, there is no eraser, no layers, no undo, just some brushes and a canvas. that should put you at ease. however, be careful about "going your own way", the best Colleges in the world, CalArts, Artcenter etc, that produce the best digital artists for the industry, do make their students go through traditional drawing and painting. So there better be a good reason for you to stick to your guns. There's a reason this specific advice is held so sacred to this course. | There's a lot of comments disparaging you for your stance on the matter but surprisingly no one has linked this which only suggests physical stuff for the first 2 chapters or so of lessons. IMO if you really must, just do them digitally anyway with a generic pen, no stabilization, no control Z, etc. | 1 | 1,094 | 3 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyofwow | fyogpxw | 1,595,266,547 | 1,595,266,936 | 1 | 12 | If you want to do portraits or learn forms/lighting I highly recommend r/Istebrak | For this course specifically, download HEAVYPAINT . it's an application designed to give you the traditional experience, there is no eraser, no layers, no undo, just some brushes and a canvas. that should put you at ease. however, be careful about "going your own way", the best Colleges in the world, CalArts, Artcenter etc, that produce the best digital artists for the industry, do make their students go through traditional drawing and painting. So there better be a good reason for you to stick to your guns. There's a reason this specific advice is held so sacred to this course. | 0 | 389 | 12 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyn6kgk | fyogpxw | 1,595,237,140 | 1,595,266,936 | -20 | 12 | YouTube is a thing... | For this course specifically, download HEAVYPAINT . it's an application designed to give you the traditional experience, there is no eraser, no layers, no undo, just some brushes and a canvas. that should put you at ease. however, be careful about "going your own way", the best Colleges in the world, CalArts, Artcenter etc, that produce the best digital artists for the industry, do make their students go through traditional drawing and painting. So there better be a good reason for you to stick to your guns. There's a reason this specific advice is held so sacred to this course. | 0 | 29,796 | -0.6 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fynnci8 | fyn2uj3 | 1,595,251,600 | 1,595,233,233 | 12 | 6 | From my experience between traditonal and digital art, and like some have said in the comments as well-- Doing things traditional and in pen forces you to think before you ink, and if you make a mistake then it's stuck there. Which makes finding those mistakes in a critique easier. Hard to do with ctrl+z just a click away. The course also specifies a pen weight. Which when drawing 100 cubes in perspective will help make sure all your lines follow back correctly and eliminates a from the possible mistakes your making. I found doing this digitally easier but I still suck at drawing convincing straight lines without a tool. And what I found most helpful is that with traditional you have the freedom to use the entire sheet of paper with your whole arm, at any angle which helps train your arm to draw lines when they say "try drawing it this way" which is a lot harder to do off a tablet or cintiq. Overall nothing is stopping you from doing it digital if you want to try and recreate the same restrictions. As for feedback checking your work against others or yeah hopping on a discord would still be a way to make sure your on the right track! As for something to look into: Framed Ink 1 and 2 have a HEAP of perspective stuff, won't cover everything but covers the hardest part (I struggled with perspective the most) Good Luck with your art journey! tLdR; They said do traditional for a reason, the skills transfer over. Most of it might have to do with cutting out common errors but the fundamentals are core regardless of medium. | A ton of artists have quoted this. "I hope your digital skills can trnasfer to traditional and vice versa" . Only the thought tho. And really the principles of traditional art transfer to digital. Gradations, tones, coloring, etc. will be useless if your fundamentals are weak. | 1 | 18,367 | 2 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fynn0kv | fynnci8 | 1,595,251,387 | 1,595,251,600 | 7 | 12 | As a digital artist, I’d still recommend doing this course as directed and working digitally for your personal work. Skills from traditional work will transfer perfectly to digital, but not as much the other way around. Control Z, brushes with pen pressure, an infinite number of textured brushes and opacity control hide a lot of sins that your work will be stronger for growing past. If you just want the content without engaging with drawabox, Scott Robertson’s “How to Draw” tackles similar construction principles, but is a much dryer experience. | From my experience between traditonal and digital art, and like some have said in the comments as well-- Doing things traditional and in pen forces you to think before you ink, and if you make a mistake then it's stuck there. Which makes finding those mistakes in a critique easier. Hard to do with ctrl+z just a click away. The course also specifies a pen weight. Which when drawing 100 cubes in perspective will help make sure all your lines follow back correctly and eliminates a from the possible mistakes your making. I found doing this digitally easier but I still suck at drawing convincing straight lines without a tool. And what I found most helpful is that with traditional you have the freedom to use the entire sheet of paper with your whole arm, at any angle which helps train your arm to draw lines when they say "try drawing it this way" which is a lot harder to do off a tablet or cintiq. Overall nothing is stopping you from doing it digital if you want to try and recreate the same restrictions. As for feedback checking your work against others or yeah hopping on a discord would still be a way to make sure your on the right track! As for something to look into: Framed Ink 1 and 2 have a HEAP of perspective stuff, won't cover everything but covers the hardest part (I struggled with perspective the most) Good Luck with your art journey! tLdR; They said do traditional for a reason, the skills transfer over. Most of it might have to do with cutting out common errors but the fundamentals are core regardless of medium. | 0 | 213 | 1.714286 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fynnci8 | fyn17jh | 1,595,251,600 | 1,595,231,558 | 12 | 3 | From my experience between traditonal and digital art, and like some have said in the comments as well-- Doing things traditional and in pen forces you to think before you ink, and if you make a mistake then it's stuck there. Which makes finding those mistakes in a critique easier. Hard to do with ctrl+z just a click away. The course also specifies a pen weight. Which when drawing 100 cubes in perspective will help make sure all your lines follow back correctly and eliminates a from the possible mistakes your making. I found doing this digitally easier but I still suck at drawing convincing straight lines without a tool. And what I found most helpful is that with traditional you have the freedom to use the entire sheet of paper with your whole arm, at any angle which helps train your arm to draw lines when they say "try drawing it this way" which is a lot harder to do off a tablet or cintiq. Overall nothing is stopping you from doing it digital if you want to try and recreate the same restrictions. As for feedback checking your work against others or yeah hopping on a discord would still be a way to make sure your on the right track! As for something to look into: Framed Ink 1 and 2 have a HEAP of perspective stuff, won't cover everything but covers the hardest part (I struggled with perspective the most) Good Luck with your art journey! tLdR; They said do traditional for a reason, the skills transfer over. Most of it might have to do with cutting out common errors but the fundamentals are core regardless of medium. | I don't think there is a system like this one for digital painting. It's built around using ink liners for a specific reason and wouldn't transfer well into digital painting. I think your best bet would be picking up digital painting courses(from Udemy maybe?), and joining some subreddits where people are willing to give feedback on other's art. | 1 | 20,042 | 4 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fynnci8 | fyn6kgk | 1,595,251,600 | 1,595,237,140 | 12 | -20 | From my experience between traditonal and digital art, and like some have said in the comments as well-- Doing things traditional and in pen forces you to think before you ink, and if you make a mistake then it's stuck there. Which makes finding those mistakes in a critique easier. Hard to do with ctrl+z just a click away. The course also specifies a pen weight. Which when drawing 100 cubes in perspective will help make sure all your lines follow back correctly and eliminates a from the possible mistakes your making. I found doing this digitally easier but I still suck at drawing convincing straight lines without a tool. And what I found most helpful is that with traditional you have the freedom to use the entire sheet of paper with your whole arm, at any angle which helps train your arm to draw lines when they say "try drawing it this way" which is a lot harder to do off a tablet or cintiq. Overall nothing is stopping you from doing it digital if you want to try and recreate the same restrictions. As for feedback checking your work against others or yeah hopping on a discord would still be a way to make sure your on the right track! As for something to look into: Framed Ink 1 and 2 have a HEAP of perspective stuff, won't cover everything but covers the hardest part (I struggled with perspective the most) Good Luck with your art journey! tLdR; They said do traditional for a reason, the skills transfer over. Most of it might have to do with cutting out common errors but the fundamentals are core regardless of medium. | YouTube is a thing... | 1 | 14,460 | -0.6 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyn2uj3 | fyo9dof | 1,595,233,233 | 1,595,263,386 | 6 | 8 | A ton of artists have quoted this. "I hope your digital skills can trnasfer to traditional and vice versa" . Only the thought tho. And really the principles of traditional art transfer to digital. Gradations, tones, coloring, etc. will be useless if your fundamentals are weak. | Yeah if you aint gunna draw traditionally regardless of what anyone says just do it in digital. I started in traditional, but quickly swapped to digital doing the drawabox stuff. Still have improved vastly | 0 | 30,153 | 1.333333 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fynn0kv | fyo9dof | 1,595,251,387 | 1,595,263,386 | 7 | 8 | As a digital artist, I’d still recommend doing this course as directed and working digitally for your personal work. Skills from traditional work will transfer perfectly to digital, but not as much the other way around. Control Z, brushes with pen pressure, an infinite number of textured brushes and opacity control hide a lot of sins that your work will be stronger for growing past. If you just want the content without engaging with drawabox, Scott Robertson’s “How to Draw” tackles similar construction principles, but is a much dryer experience. | Yeah if you aint gunna draw traditionally regardless of what anyone says just do it in digital. I started in traditional, but quickly swapped to digital doing the drawabox stuff. Still have improved vastly | 0 | 11,999 | 1.142857 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyo9dof | fynu0vc | 1,595,263,386 | 1,595,255,534 | 8 | 7 | Yeah if you aint gunna draw traditionally regardless of what anyone says just do it in digital. I started in traditional, but quickly swapped to digital doing the drawabox stuff. Still have improved vastly | At the end of the day, arguably it's better to practice in any medium you can use than to not practice at all, so if doing it in ink is going to make you not want to practice fundamentals, then by all means, do it in digital. Nothing in drawabox is a do-or-die rule; just guidelines. But, I agree in this case that it is better to use ink instead of digital because you learn from your mistakes faster due to not having the ability to undo. While you could do things like disable/not use undo in digital, it's the thought that you still have the ability to undo that makes digital not as ideal. Meanwhile, once an ink line is put down, there's no going back. And yes, submitting digital homework will get you plenty of comments on how you should use ink instead of digital, since drawing in ink is one of the biggest recommendations on this site. If you're serious about digital art, that doesn't mean you need to practice in digital art all the time. In fact, I think it's beneficial to do fundamentals practice traditionally rather than digitally, because you don't have as many shortcuts in traditional, so you learn from mistakes faster. Yes, your art doesn't come out looking as good in traditional at first, but that's the whole point--if you can achieve a level of mastery where your traditional art looks amazing, that means you have a strong grasp of fundamentals. Transferring those skills over to digital will be a lot easier. | 1 | 7,852 | 1.142857 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyo9dof | fyo4edr | 1,595,263,386 | 1,595,260,941 | 8 | 5 | Yeah if you aint gunna draw traditionally regardless of what anyone says just do it in digital. I started in traditional, but quickly swapped to digital doing the drawabox stuff. Still have improved vastly | Forcing? Just do everything digitally if you want to, where's the forcing? | 1 | 2,445 | 1.6 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyo9dof | fyn17jh | 1,595,263,386 | 1,595,231,558 | 8 | 3 | Yeah if you aint gunna draw traditionally regardless of what anyone says just do it in digital. I started in traditional, but quickly swapped to digital doing the drawabox stuff. Still have improved vastly | I don't think there is a system like this one for digital painting. It's built around using ink liners for a specific reason and wouldn't transfer well into digital painting. I think your best bet would be picking up digital painting courses(from Udemy maybe?), and joining some subreddits where people are willing to give feedback on other's art. | 1 | 31,828 | 2.666667 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyo9dof | fyn6kgk | 1,595,263,386 | 1,595,237,140 | 8 | -20 | Yeah if you aint gunna draw traditionally regardless of what anyone says just do it in digital. I started in traditional, but quickly swapped to digital doing the drawabox stuff. Still have improved vastly | YouTube is a thing... | 1 | 26,246 | -0.4 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyn2uj3 | fynn0kv | 1,595,233,233 | 1,595,251,387 | 6 | 7 | A ton of artists have quoted this. "I hope your digital skills can trnasfer to traditional and vice versa" . Only the thought tho. And really the principles of traditional art transfer to digital. Gradations, tones, coloring, etc. will be useless if your fundamentals are weak. | As a digital artist, I’d still recommend doing this course as directed and working digitally for your personal work. Skills from traditional work will transfer perfectly to digital, but not as much the other way around. Control Z, brushes with pen pressure, an infinite number of textured brushes and opacity control hide a lot of sins that your work will be stronger for growing past. If you just want the content without engaging with drawabox, Scott Robertson’s “How to Draw” tackles similar construction principles, but is a much dryer experience. | 0 | 18,154 | 1.166667 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyn2uj3 | fynu0vc | 1,595,233,233 | 1,595,255,534 | 6 | 7 | A ton of artists have quoted this. "I hope your digital skills can trnasfer to traditional and vice versa" . Only the thought tho. And really the principles of traditional art transfer to digital. Gradations, tones, coloring, etc. will be useless if your fundamentals are weak. | At the end of the day, arguably it's better to practice in any medium you can use than to not practice at all, so if doing it in ink is going to make you not want to practice fundamentals, then by all means, do it in digital. Nothing in drawabox is a do-or-die rule; just guidelines. But, I agree in this case that it is better to use ink instead of digital because you learn from your mistakes faster due to not having the ability to undo. While you could do things like disable/not use undo in digital, it's the thought that you still have the ability to undo that makes digital not as ideal. Meanwhile, once an ink line is put down, there's no going back. And yes, submitting digital homework will get you plenty of comments on how you should use ink instead of digital, since drawing in ink is one of the biggest recommendations on this site. If you're serious about digital art, that doesn't mean you need to practice in digital art all the time. In fact, I think it's beneficial to do fundamentals practice traditionally rather than digitally, because you don't have as many shortcuts in traditional, so you learn from mistakes faster. Yes, your art doesn't come out looking as good in traditional at first, but that's the whole point--if you can achieve a level of mastery where your traditional art looks amazing, that means you have a strong grasp of fundamentals. Transferring those skills over to digital will be a lot easier. | 0 | 22,301 | 1.166667 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyn17jh | fyn2uj3 | 1,595,231,558 | 1,595,233,233 | 3 | 6 | I don't think there is a system like this one for digital painting. It's built around using ink liners for a specific reason and wouldn't transfer well into digital painting. I think your best bet would be picking up digital painting courses(from Udemy maybe?), and joining some subreddits where people are willing to give feedback on other's art. | A ton of artists have quoted this. "I hope your digital skills can trnasfer to traditional and vice versa" . Only the thought tho. And really the principles of traditional art transfer to digital. Gradations, tones, coloring, etc. will be useless if your fundamentals are weak. | 0 | 1,675 | 2 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyn17jh | fynn0kv | 1,595,231,558 | 1,595,251,387 | 3 | 7 | I don't think there is a system like this one for digital painting. It's built around using ink liners for a specific reason and wouldn't transfer well into digital painting. I think your best bet would be picking up digital painting courses(from Udemy maybe?), and joining some subreddits where people are willing to give feedback on other's art. | As a digital artist, I’d still recommend doing this course as directed and working digitally for your personal work. Skills from traditional work will transfer perfectly to digital, but not as much the other way around. Control Z, brushes with pen pressure, an infinite number of textured brushes and opacity control hide a lot of sins that your work will be stronger for growing past. If you just want the content without engaging with drawabox, Scott Robertson’s “How to Draw” tackles similar construction principles, but is a much dryer experience. | 0 | 19,829 | 2.333333 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fynn0kv | fyn6kgk | 1,595,251,387 | 1,595,237,140 | 7 | -20 | As a digital artist, I’d still recommend doing this course as directed and working digitally for your personal work. Skills from traditional work will transfer perfectly to digital, but not as much the other way around. Control Z, brushes with pen pressure, an infinite number of textured brushes and opacity control hide a lot of sins that your work will be stronger for growing past. If you just want the content without engaging with drawabox, Scott Robertson’s “How to Draw” tackles similar construction principles, but is a much dryer experience. | YouTube is a thing... | 1 | 14,247 | -0.35 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fynu0vc | fyn17jh | 1,595,255,534 | 1,595,231,558 | 7 | 3 | At the end of the day, arguably it's better to practice in any medium you can use than to not practice at all, so if doing it in ink is going to make you not want to practice fundamentals, then by all means, do it in digital. Nothing in drawabox is a do-or-die rule; just guidelines. But, I agree in this case that it is better to use ink instead of digital because you learn from your mistakes faster due to not having the ability to undo. While you could do things like disable/not use undo in digital, it's the thought that you still have the ability to undo that makes digital not as ideal. Meanwhile, once an ink line is put down, there's no going back. And yes, submitting digital homework will get you plenty of comments on how you should use ink instead of digital, since drawing in ink is one of the biggest recommendations on this site. If you're serious about digital art, that doesn't mean you need to practice in digital art all the time. In fact, I think it's beneficial to do fundamentals practice traditionally rather than digitally, because you don't have as many shortcuts in traditional, so you learn from mistakes faster. Yes, your art doesn't come out looking as good in traditional at first, but that's the whole point--if you can achieve a level of mastery where your traditional art looks amazing, that means you have a strong grasp of fundamentals. Transferring those skills over to digital will be a lot easier. | I don't think there is a system like this one for digital painting. It's built around using ink liners for a specific reason and wouldn't transfer well into digital painting. I think your best bet would be picking up digital painting courses(from Udemy maybe?), and joining some subreddits where people are willing to give feedback on other's art. | 1 | 23,976 | 2.333333 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fynu0vc | fyn6kgk | 1,595,255,534 | 1,595,237,140 | 7 | -20 | At the end of the day, arguably it's better to practice in any medium you can use than to not practice at all, so if doing it in ink is going to make you not want to practice fundamentals, then by all means, do it in digital. Nothing in drawabox is a do-or-die rule; just guidelines. But, I agree in this case that it is better to use ink instead of digital because you learn from your mistakes faster due to not having the ability to undo. While you could do things like disable/not use undo in digital, it's the thought that you still have the ability to undo that makes digital not as ideal. Meanwhile, once an ink line is put down, there's no going back. And yes, submitting digital homework will get you plenty of comments on how you should use ink instead of digital, since drawing in ink is one of the biggest recommendations on this site. If you're serious about digital art, that doesn't mean you need to practice in digital art all the time. In fact, I think it's beneficial to do fundamentals practice traditionally rather than digitally, because you don't have as many shortcuts in traditional, so you learn from mistakes faster. Yes, your art doesn't come out looking as good in traditional at first, but that's the whole point--if you can achieve a level of mastery where your traditional art looks amazing, that means you have a strong grasp of fundamentals. Transferring those skills over to digital will be a lot easier. | YouTube is a thing... | 1 | 18,394 | -0.35 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyo4edr | fyn17jh | 1,595,260,941 | 1,595,231,558 | 5 | 3 | Forcing? Just do everything digitally if you want to, where's the forcing? | I don't think there is a system like this one for digital painting. It's built around using ink liners for a specific reason and wouldn't transfer well into digital painting. I think your best bet would be picking up digital painting courses(from Udemy maybe?), and joining some subreddits where people are willing to give feedback on other's art. | 1 | 29,383 | 1.666667 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyn6kgk | fyo4edr | 1,595,237,140 | 1,595,260,941 | -20 | 5 | YouTube is a thing... | Forcing? Just do everything digitally if you want to, where's the forcing? | 0 | 23,801 | -0.25 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyoeg3k | fyn17jh | 1,595,265,842 | 1,595,231,558 | 4 | 3 | There's a lot of comments disparaging you for your stance on the matter but surprisingly no one has linked this which only suggests physical stuff for the first 2 chapters or so of lessons. IMO if you really must, just do them digitally anyway with a generic pen, no stabilization, no control Z, etc. | I don't think there is a system like this one for digital painting. It's built around using ink liners for a specific reason and wouldn't transfer well into digital painting. I think your best bet would be picking up digital painting courses(from Udemy maybe?), and joining some subreddits where people are willing to give feedback on other's art. | 1 | 34,284 | 1.333333 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyoeg3k | fyn6kgk | 1,595,265,842 | 1,595,237,140 | 4 | -20 | There's a lot of comments disparaging you for your stance on the matter but surprisingly no one has linked this which only suggests physical stuff for the first 2 chapters or so of lessons. IMO if you really must, just do them digitally anyway with a generic pen, no stabilization, no control Z, etc. | YouTube is a thing... | 1 | 28,702 | -0.2 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyn6kgk | fyofwow | 1,595,237,140 | 1,595,266,547 | -20 | 1 | YouTube is a thing... | If you want to do portraits or learn forms/lighting I highly recommend r/Istebrak | 0 | 29,407 | -0.05 | ||
hufiyj | artfundamentals_train | 0.85 | ImI'm really serious about digital art and would like a course similar to this one that isn’t so religious about forcing practice in non digital space I’m not here to argue about whether it’s a good system or not, but rather ask about anything similar that allows practice digitally instead of in ink. I’d like to be able to submit homework and find it a bit silly that I get chastised for submitting digital goods. | fyoqyzf | fyn6kgk | 1,595,271,877 | 1,595,237,140 | 1 | -20 | Cgma 2d academy Brainstorm school ( currently available online due to lockdown ) and concept design academy | YouTube is a thing... | 1 | 34,737 | -0.05 | ||
xcobud | artfundamentals_train | 0.91 | What is Drawabox most helpful with? Apologies if this is a dumb question, but I'm just curious as to what people find the most improvement in when they do Drawabox. Perspective? Construction? | io6jcko | io68k5l | 1,663,021,582 | 1,663,017,080 | 6 | 1 | construction by far. Lessons 3 and onwards, youre mashing simple forms together to create more complex forms and is the main focus of the entire course. | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 4,502 | 6 | ||
xcobud | artfundamentals_train | 0.91 | What is Drawabox most helpful with? Apologies if this is a dumb question, but I'm just curious as to what people find the most improvement in when they do Drawabox. Perspective? Construction? | io68k5l | io9uurd | 1,663,017,080 | 1,663,084,957 | 1 | 3 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | Thinking in 3D. Drawing is projection. So take a box when you draw a box it clearly isn’t a box it’s in 2d however you have to trading your brain to see it a different way. As in squares arranged properly will make a box. Part of the 250 box challenge is about repetition to get your brain trained. This is what draw a box did for me. I then went on to study dynamic sketching and a million other things. Draw a box really set me up well for my studies. | 0 | 67,877 | 3 | ||
xcobud | artfundamentals_train | 0.91 | What is Drawabox most helpful with? Apologies if this is a dumb question, but I'm just curious as to what people find the most improvement in when they do Drawabox. Perspective? Construction? | io9uurd | io7y3yp | 1,663,084,957 | 1,663,045,195 | 3 | 1 | Thinking in 3D. Drawing is projection. So take a box when you draw a box it clearly isn’t a box it’s in 2d however you have to trading your brain to see it a different way. As in squares arranged properly will make a box. Part of the 250 box challenge is about repetition to get your brain trained. This is what draw a box did for me. I then went on to study dynamic sketching and a million other things. Draw a box really set me up well for my studies. | DaB focuses on perspective and construction, with a little detail tossed in. Most art courses only briefly touch on those subjects and then go straight into more advanced topics before you can digest it, which makes DaB useful as a course that focuses on drilling it into you. | 1 | 39,762 | 3 | ||
xcobud | artfundamentals_train | 0.91 | What is Drawabox most helpful with? Apologies if this is a dumb question, but I'm just curious as to what people find the most improvement in when they do Drawabox. Perspective? Construction? | io99pii | io9uurd | 1,663,076,905 | 1,663,084,957 | 1 | 3 | I am currently on lesson 2. It has helped me a lot do **think** before I draw something. It helps me to really put some effort and concentration in every aspect of a drawing | Thinking in 3D. Drawing is projection. So take a box when you draw a box it clearly isn’t a box it’s in 2d however you have to trading your brain to see it a different way. As in squares arranged properly will make a box. Part of the 250 box challenge is about repetition to get your brain trained. This is what draw a box did for me. I then went on to study dynamic sketching and a million other things. Draw a box really set me up well for my studies. | 0 | 8,052 | 3 | ||
gjnq12 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Questions of a confused beginner Hey guys, pretty much what the title says. I've been starting my drawing journey and I'm a little confused. I like the construction approach from DrawABox a lot. But there are a lot of courses and books (Drawing on the right side of the brain; Keys to Drawing) that stress the value of starting with learning "perceptive skills" first, so you can get really good with observational drawing. I think I know what they mean by that, but I'm confused. How important is it to start with that? I can imagine that these perceptive skills will also be a side product of learning to draw constructively. What's your experience with this? I'm especially interested if there are people here that started with constuction and later found some additional benefit in focusing on observational skills later. | fqm2i36 | fqm8bx8 | 1,589,470,376 | 1,589,473,214 | 11 | 23 | I mean part of learning construction IS learning observational skills. If you’re not understanding the forms of what you’re looking at then your construction won’t feel authentic. | Honestly, just start. Draw a box is a free resource that has been iterated over multiple years to maximise students learning. The perspective drawing is part of lesson 1, it's not the first lesson in lesson 1 but it's in the beginning. Don't get distracted with other resources, if you prefer those resources than the choice is yours but in whatever you do, just do it wholeheartedly. I think it's easy to get sidetracked with other resources and other rules that people say you should follow. Either way, it's practice that makes you better and there is no perfect way to start so just do it. | 0 | 2,838 | 2.090909 | ||
gjnq12 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Questions of a confused beginner Hey guys, pretty much what the title says. I've been starting my drawing journey and I'm a little confused. I like the construction approach from DrawABox a lot. But there are a lot of courses and books (Drawing on the right side of the brain; Keys to Drawing) that stress the value of starting with learning "perceptive skills" first, so you can get really good with observational drawing. I think I know what they mean by that, but I'm confused. How important is it to start with that? I can imagine that these perceptive skills will also be a side product of learning to draw constructively. What's your experience with this? I'm especially interested if there are people here that started with constuction and later found some additional benefit in focusing on observational skills later. | fqm2i36 | fqnfyu2 | 1,589,470,376 | 1,589,494,162 | 11 | 18 | I mean part of learning construction IS learning observational skills. If you’re not understanding the forms of what you’re looking at then your construction won’t feel authentic. | I don’t want to come across as a drawabox fanatic, but your question is actually addressed in lesson two! In this case, I really agree with what they’re saying, the tl;dr boils down to the idea that constructional drawing IS an observational process— one that involves understanding the basic forms that come together to create the object you’re looking at. Here’s the excerpt and the link to it: “Often when I see students discussing different approaches to drawing, observational drawing and constructional drawing are presented as a sort of dichotomy - two techniques that are mutually exclusive. This really isn't true. Constructional drawing inherently incorporates observation, as we cannot know which simple forms to start with unless we observe our subject matter carefully. Observational drawing can be done without construction, but if you ask me, that is an approach that is fundamentally incorrect. Construction is all about understanding how an object exists in 3D space as a part of the drawing process. If you are doing this - even if not as explicitly as we do here - you are employing an element of construction. If, however, you are working only in two dimensions - for example, drawing from a photo reference (photographs are by nature two dimensional) and reproducing it in your drawing directly without considering the fact that the photo represents a three dimensional scene, then there is no component of construction and in all likelihood your drawing will appear flat and unconvincing. Yes, you may eventually become an exceptional photocopier, but we do have machines for that already, and the applications for that skill set are fairly limited these days. This is why if you have learned any observational drawing in the past, you may have heard discussion over whether or not it is okay to use photo references, or if only drawing "from life" (with the actual object in front of you) is valuable. In my experience, this is because it is considerably more difficult for a beginner to look at an actual three dimensional object without some degree of understanding or consideration for how it sits in 3D space. You're effectively forced to somehow process that 3D object into your 2D drawing. I have generally found that when employing constructional techniques, like those taught here, it doesn't matter as much whether you draw them from life or not. There are still benefits to drawing an object from life, and if you have the means or the opportunity you absolutely should do so, but these techniques do help significantly reduce the pitfalls that come from working with 2D references.” https://drawabox.com/lesson/2/3/observationvsconstruction | 0 | 23,786 | 1.636364 | ||
gjnq12 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Questions of a confused beginner Hey guys, pretty much what the title says. I've been starting my drawing journey and I'm a little confused. I like the construction approach from DrawABox a lot. But there are a lot of courses and books (Drawing on the right side of the brain; Keys to Drawing) that stress the value of starting with learning "perceptive skills" first, so you can get really good with observational drawing. I think I know what they mean by that, but I'm confused. How important is it to start with that? I can imagine that these perceptive skills will also be a side product of learning to draw constructively. What's your experience with this? I'm especially interested if there are people here that started with constuction and later found some additional benefit in focusing on observational skills later. | fqneoib | fqnfyu2 | 1,589,493,506 | 1,589,494,162 | 4 | 18 | Understand that learning to draw is not a one size fits all. There are several good programs out there where *principles* are explained ... so very important. It doesn't help if you learn to draw boxes unless you understand *why* you should learn them; perspective. So, shouldn't you simply concentrate on perspective fundamentals? It's a different mindset establishing specific skills for definitive goals. I would never have learned to draw with DaB ... some of the exercises make no sense to me, although they may to others. Approach fundamentals with whatever instruction program speaks to you; proportion, perspective, form, value, composition, anatomy, color theory, technique. Notice I didn't state to copy lines or do circles to replace animal specific anatomy. "Exercises" are not a replacement for principle. You can't leapfrog study and there are no shortcuts. It's *principles.* | I don’t want to come across as a drawabox fanatic, but your question is actually addressed in lesson two! In this case, I really agree with what they’re saying, the tl;dr boils down to the idea that constructional drawing IS an observational process— one that involves understanding the basic forms that come together to create the object you’re looking at. Here’s the excerpt and the link to it: “Often when I see students discussing different approaches to drawing, observational drawing and constructional drawing are presented as a sort of dichotomy - two techniques that are mutually exclusive. This really isn't true. Constructional drawing inherently incorporates observation, as we cannot know which simple forms to start with unless we observe our subject matter carefully. Observational drawing can be done without construction, but if you ask me, that is an approach that is fundamentally incorrect. Construction is all about understanding how an object exists in 3D space as a part of the drawing process. If you are doing this - even if not as explicitly as we do here - you are employing an element of construction. If, however, you are working only in two dimensions - for example, drawing from a photo reference (photographs are by nature two dimensional) and reproducing it in your drawing directly without considering the fact that the photo represents a three dimensional scene, then there is no component of construction and in all likelihood your drawing will appear flat and unconvincing. Yes, you may eventually become an exceptional photocopier, but we do have machines for that already, and the applications for that skill set are fairly limited these days. This is why if you have learned any observational drawing in the past, you may have heard discussion over whether or not it is okay to use photo references, or if only drawing "from life" (with the actual object in front of you) is valuable. In my experience, this is because it is considerably more difficult for a beginner to look at an actual three dimensional object without some degree of understanding or consideration for how it sits in 3D space. You're effectively forced to somehow process that 3D object into your 2D drawing. I have generally found that when employing constructional techniques, like those taught here, it doesn't matter as much whether you draw them from life or not. There are still benefits to drawing an object from life, and if you have the means or the opportunity you absolutely should do so, but these techniques do help significantly reduce the pitfalls that come from working with 2D references.” https://drawabox.com/lesson/2/3/observationvsconstruction | 0 | 656 | 4.5 | ||
gjnq12 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Questions of a confused beginner Hey guys, pretty much what the title says. I've been starting my drawing journey and I'm a little confused. I like the construction approach from DrawABox a lot. But there are a lot of courses and books (Drawing on the right side of the brain; Keys to Drawing) that stress the value of starting with learning "perceptive skills" first, so you can get really good with observational drawing. I think I know what they mean by that, but I'm confused. How important is it to start with that? I can imagine that these perceptive skills will also be a side product of learning to draw constructively. What's your experience with this? I'm especially interested if there are people here that started with constuction and later found some additional benefit in focusing on observational skills later. | fqnl5je | fqm2i36 | 1,589,496,828 | 1,589,470,376 | 14 | 11 | I’m a former Art Teacher. My suggestion is to start with Contour Drawing and Blind Contour Drawing. It’s fun, challenging and you’ll learn so much! Then add color! | I mean part of learning construction IS learning observational skills. If you’re not understanding the forms of what you’re looking at then your construction won’t feel authentic. | 1 | 26,452 | 1.272727 | ||
gjnq12 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Questions of a confused beginner Hey guys, pretty much what the title says. I've been starting my drawing journey and I'm a little confused. I like the construction approach from DrawABox a lot. But there are a lot of courses and books (Drawing on the right side of the brain; Keys to Drawing) that stress the value of starting with learning "perceptive skills" first, so you can get really good with observational drawing. I think I know what they mean by that, but I'm confused. How important is it to start with that? I can imagine that these perceptive skills will also be a side product of learning to draw constructively. What's your experience with this? I'm especially interested if there are people here that started with constuction and later found some additional benefit in focusing on observational skills later. | fqnl5je | fqneoib | 1,589,496,828 | 1,589,493,506 | 14 | 4 | I’m a former Art Teacher. My suggestion is to start with Contour Drawing and Blind Contour Drawing. It’s fun, challenging and you’ll learn so much! Then add color! | Understand that learning to draw is not a one size fits all. There are several good programs out there where *principles* are explained ... so very important. It doesn't help if you learn to draw boxes unless you understand *why* you should learn them; perspective. So, shouldn't you simply concentrate on perspective fundamentals? It's a different mindset establishing specific skills for definitive goals. I would never have learned to draw with DaB ... some of the exercises make no sense to me, although they may to others. Approach fundamentals with whatever instruction program speaks to you; proportion, perspective, form, value, composition, anatomy, color theory, technique. Notice I didn't state to copy lines or do circles to replace animal specific anatomy. "Exercises" are not a replacement for principle. You can't leapfrog study and there are no shortcuts. It's *principles.* | 1 | 3,322 | 3.5 | ||
gjnq12 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Questions of a confused beginner Hey guys, pretty much what the title says. I've been starting my drawing journey and I'm a little confused. I like the construction approach from DrawABox a lot. But there are a lot of courses and books (Drawing on the right side of the brain; Keys to Drawing) that stress the value of starting with learning "perceptive skills" first, so you can get really good with observational drawing. I think I know what they mean by that, but I'm confused. How important is it to start with that? I can imagine that these perceptive skills will also be a side product of learning to draw constructively. What's your experience with this? I'm especially interested if there are people here that started with constuction and later found some additional benefit in focusing on observational skills later. | fqneoib | fqocska | 1,589,493,506 | 1,589,512,366 | 4 | 6 | Understand that learning to draw is not a one size fits all. There are several good programs out there where *principles* are explained ... so very important. It doesn't help if you learn to draw boxes unless you understand *why* you should learn them; perspective. So, shouldn't you simply concentrate on perspective fundamentals? It's a different mindset establishing specific skills for definitive goals. I would never have learned to draw with DaB ... some of the exercises make no sense to me, although they may to others. Approach fundamentals with whatever instruction program speaks to you; proportion, perspective, form, value, composition, anatomy, color theory, technique. Notice I didn't state to copy lines or do circles to replace animal specific anatomy. "Exercises" are not a replacement for principle. You can't leapfrog study and there are no shortcuts. It's *principles.* | Hi Echoes, I agree completely, There is so much information out there all touting that they have the way for you to become a talented professional artist - all for the low price of $x dollars per month. The first step, as I see it, is preparing you materials, putting line on paper, and getting your mind around representing 3 dimensions in a 2 dimensional space - before you add in the difficulties of color, composition and blah, blah, blah. As pmusetteb suggested, the process of contour drawing and blind contour drawing is great for this and for increasing your observational skills at the same time. The process for these activities can easily be Googled. It really does depend on what sort of art you ultimately want to do. The drawabox course is great for turning line into shapes that are believable, and by following the constructive method you will also automatically gain observational and perceptive skills without addressing them directly. However, the way you practice and hold the pen in this course is more in line to a commercial art or digital art outcome. If your goal is more fine art/oil painting/atelier then you may also include websites like "The Drawing Source", "Proko" You Tubes and Bargue Plates (you can get a lot of content for free). Nothing beats doing live classes but once you have done a course like Drawabox, and you are clear in what direction or type of art you want to do, you are in a better position to judge which live class is worth spending your hard earned money on. At the end of the day, there is no 'right way'. Do a variety of techniques, see what you enjoy and what sticks. The most important part of this is 'do'. The second most important is ask for reviews and help - something this site does provide and is awesome. Hope that helps and doesn't just make things more confusing. | 0 | 18,860 | 1.5 | ||
gjnq12 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Questions of a confused beginner Hey guys, pretty much what the title says. I've been starting my drawing journey and I'm a little confused. I like the construction approach from DrawABox a lot. But there are a lot of courses and books (Drawing on the right side of the brain; Keys to Drawing) that stress the value of starting with learning "perceptive skills" first, so you can get really good with observational drawing. I think I know what they mean by that, but I'm confused. How important is it to start with that? I can imagine that these perceptive skills will also be a side product of learning to draw constructively. What's your experience with this? I'm especially interested if there are people here that started with constuction and later found some additional benefit in focusing on observational skills later. | fqp85pp | fqortj2 | 1,589,538,458 | 1,589,522,988 | 3 | 2 | Well, I'm learning myself as well but started some time ago. I like construction method a lot because it helps me to draw things out of my head without reference however it requires a lot of practice before hand and developing visual library. Also when drawing on location it helps me to analyse better what I'm seeing and apply perspective and construction to draw my impression of what I see rather that copy reality 1:1. On the other hand I like observational method as well. It helped me to focus on what is important to draw and not get bogged in details. Also it helped me better establish relationships between objects, edges etc. Not to mention that it's much easier to master than constructional method. My take on this is I learn both and I progress on both lanes simultaneously as both ways of drawing help me with my progress and give me opportunity to get drawing mileage - something which is probably most important above all methods. | Try the first lesson or so of a few free resources and then First continue with the one that is most enjoyable. If the process of learning a skill makes you want to quit then that Teaching Style is the wrong approach. | 1 | 15,470 | 1.5 | ||
z7byij | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Starting out with drawing I’m about an absolute beginner at drawing (if you don’t count forced art classes in elementary, and some doodling as a kid), and I was wondering if anybody has some tips for getting started? I don’t exactly know where to start | iy67s27 | iy5qlsl | 1,669,684,851 | 1,669,677,065 | 20 | 1 | you need to accept that your drawing is dogshit and never expect yourself to be as good as picasso i guess. the hard part isn't the grind but the consistency on doing it, you need to have a good mindset first so your study stay consistent. | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 7,786 | 20 | ||
z7byij | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Starting out with drawing I’m about an absolute beginner at drawing (if you don’t count forced art classes in elementary, and some doodling as a kid), and I was wondering if anybody has some tips for getting started? I don’t exactly know where to start | iy8889k | iy5qlsl | 1,669,731,152 | 1,669,677,065 | 12 | 1 | I actually started here as a total noob a little over 1.5 years ago. It's totally doable and thinking structurally felt natural to me due to my engineering background. Honestly though, DaB is kind of like homework, so even with the 50% rule it's pretty tough to have fun with it. Early on it might be tempting to follow "drawing tutorials" but it's probably best to try and develop skills first. I really like Prokos tutorials on YouTube which helped me get into figure drawing/ portraits. If you can learn from books, Drawing On the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards was helpful for introducing concepts to me with interactive assignments. I think some of the science might be a bit out of date but her approach is super accessible and I found the writing to be motivating and interesting. Just try to have fun and if you care about "getting good" or whatever, it's all about putting in the hours! | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 54,087 | 12 | ||
z7byij | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Starting out with drawing I’m about an absolute beginner at drawing (if you don’t count forced art classes in elementary, and some doodling as a kid), and I was wondering if anybody has some tips for getting started? I don’t exactly know where to start | iy5qlsl | iy668ro | 1,669,677,065 | 1,669,684,134 | 1 | 12 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | Probably not here tbh. I’d say spend some time just draw for fun. Do it for about 6-9 months, learning a bit as you go and trying to doodle every moment you can. Then after a year or so, if you really love it, come back here. If you start with this, you’ll burn yourself out and hate drawing. | 0 | 7,069 | 12 | ||
z7byij | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Starting out with drawing I’m about an absolute beginner at drawing (if you don’t count forced art classes in elementary, and some doodling as a kid), and I was wondering if anybody has some tips for getting started? I don’t exactly know where to start | iy5qlsl | iy6v7g8 | 1,669,677,065 | 1,669,696,152 | 1 | 9 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | Look into some of the fundamentals: Form, perspective, anatomy, composition, and value and lighting. You can find all of this online or even in your local library. Grab a sketch book and practice daily. | 0 | 19,087 | 9 | ||
z7byij | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Starting out with drawing I’m about an absolute beginner at drawing (if you don’t count forced art classes in elementary, and some doodling as a kid), and I was wondering if anybody has some tips for getting started? I don’t exactly know where to start | iy5qlsl | iy8ufmq | 1,669,677,065 | 1,669,740,697 | 1 | 6 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | drawabox.com is pretty good. | 0 | 63,632 | 6 | ||
z7byij | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Starting out with drawing I’m about an absolute beginner at drawing (if you don’t count forced art classes in elementary, and some doodling as a kid), and I was wondering if anybody has some tips for getting started? I don’t exactly know where to start | iy67s27 | iy668ro | 1,669,684,851 | 1,669,684,134 | 20 | 12 | you need to accept that your drawing is dogshit and never expect yourself to be as good as picasso i guess. the hard part isn't the grind but the consistency on doing it, you need to have a good mindset first so your study stay consistent. | Probably not here tbh. I’d say spend some time just draw for fun. Do it for about 6-9 months, learning a bit as you go and trying to doodle every moment you can. Then after a year or so, if you really love it, come back here. If you start with this, you’ll burn yourself out and hate drawing. | 1 | 717 | 1.666667 | ||
z7byij | artfundamentals_train | 0.96 | Starting out with drawing I’m about an absolute beginner at drawing (if you don’t count forced art classes in elementary, and some doodling as a kid), and I was wondering if anybody has some tips for getting started? I don’t exactly know where to start | iy8889k | iy6v7g8 | 1,669,731,152 | 1,669,696,152 | 12 | 9 | I actually started here as a total noob a little over 1.5 years ago. It's totally doable and thinking structurally felt natural to me due to my engineering background. Honestly though, DaB is kind of like homework, so even with the 50% rule it's pretty tough to have fun with it. Early on it might be tempting to follow "drawing tutorials" but it's probably best to try and develop skills first. I really like Prokos tutorials on YouTube which helped me get into figure drawing/ portraits. If you can learn from books, Drawing On the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards was helpful for introducing concepts to me with interactive assignments. I think some of the science might be a bit out of date but her approach is super accessible and I found the writing to be motivating and interesting. Just try to have fun and if you care about "getting good" or whatever, it's all about putting in the hours! | Look into some of the fundamentals: Form, perspective, anatomy, composition, and value and lighting. You can find all of this online or even in your local library. Grab a sketch book and practice daily. | 1 | 35,000 | 1.333333 | ||
y0xrgi | artfundamentals_train | 0.82 | Is it detrimental that I finished Lesson 1 in 3 days? I've seen people finish it after many days, sometimes weeks or months. I have managed to finish it in 3 days. However, I'm not sure if this is exactly detrimental. I'm on the beginner-intermediate level, and the homework just felt natural to do. I didn't find a lot of difficulty, but I went through things fast. My linework did falter, and I'm still struggling with scraggly lines, along with the poor implementation of Ghosted Lines. However, if those were implemented, I'm confident I would still finish it in 3, maybe 5 days. I'll try to fix these mistakes with the 250 boxes challenge (which isn't done yet). Is it sort of prejudicial to finish Lesson 1 in such a short amount of time? | irufena | irvyaz3 | 1,665,456,900 | 1,665,495,018 | 1 | 6 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | post your homework and we'll see | 0 | 38,118 | 6 | ||
y0xrgi | artfundamentals_train | 0.82 | Is it detrimental that I finished Lesson 1 in 3 days? I've seen people finish it after many days, sometimes weeks or months. I have managed to finish it in 3 days. However, I'm not sure if this is exactly detrimental. I'm on the beginner-intermediate level, and the homework just felt natural to do. I didn't find a lot of difficulty, but I went through things fast. My linework did falter, and I'm still struggling with scraggly lines, along with the poor implementation of Ghosted Lines. However, if those were implemented, I'm confident I would still finish it in 3, maybe 5 days. I'll try to fix these mistakes with the 250 boxes challenge (which isn't done yet). Is it sort of prejudicial to finish Lesson 1 in such a short amount of time? | irufena | irwporq | 1,665,456,900 | 1,665,506,413 | 1 | 3 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | I mean if you pass critique the only thing i would say is make sure you are respecting the 50% rule. If it took 3 days to do lesson 1 then its time to spend 3 days not on drawabaox making your own art. | 0 | 49,513 | 3 | ||
y0xrgi | artfundamentals_train | 0.82 | Is it detrimental that I finished Lesson 1 in 3 days? I've seen people finish it after many days, sometimes weeks or months. I have managed to finish it in 3 days. However, I'm not sure if this is exactly detrimental. I'm on the beginner-intermediate level, and the homework just felt natural to do. I didn't find a lot of difficulty, but I went through things fast. My linework did falter, and I'm still struggling with scraggly lines, along with the poor implementation of Ghosted Lines. However, if those were implemented, I'm confident I would still finish it in 3, maybe 5 days. I'll try to fix these mistakes with the 250 boxes challenge (which isn't done yet). Is it sort of prejudicial to finish Lesson 1 in such a short amount of time? | irxsm90 | irufena | 1,665,521,344 | 1,665,456,900 | 3 | 1 | I was in a similar mindset a few years back as you, so I will say no* with a big fat asterisks. “Completing” and “Understanding” are very different in the context. You can do a lesson once or twice then do your 50% play time then move on to the next, as you are more or less meant to do. However this shouldn’t be the last time you do the exercises, as it’s said you should practice some of the previous exercises as warm up before another lesson/drawing. So you shouldn’t feel like you are missing out, especially since all lessons are recorded and you can go back if you feel like you are missing something. Even when I made it up to insect construction I found myself going back to the rotating boxes lecture as that’s something I struggled with even now, but I’m not too proud to go back to lesson one for a refresher. So I would say no as long as you are pacing yourself with fun time, received feedback and feel confident in your understanding, then soar to the next lesson. The contents not going anywhere, there’s no deadline, you’re not being graded, so if you feel behind and struggling (ie your line work you mentioned) theres nothing stopping you from going back and getting a refresher, multiple times even! | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 64,444 | 3 | ||
y0xrgi | artfundamentals_train | 0.82 | Is it detrimental that I finished Lesson 1 in 3 days? I've seen people finish it after many days, sometimes weeks or months. I have managed to finish it in 3 days. However, I'm not sure if this is exactly detrimental. I'm on the beginner-intermediate level, and the homework just felt natural to do. I didn't find a lot of difficulty, but I went through things fast. My linework did falter, and I'm still struggling with scraggly lines, along with the poor implementation of Ghosted Lines. However, if those were implemented, I'm confident I would still finish it in 3, maybe 5 days. I'll try to fix these mistakes with the 250 boxes challenge (which isn't done yet). Is it sort of prejudicial to finish Lesson 1 in such a short amount of time? | irufena | iryhx07 | 1,665,456,900 | 1,665,532,407 | 1 | 3 | **To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.* | You can always bring back lesson 1 into your warmups. Also I feel that the 250 box challenge will help you solidify what you’ve learned in lesson 1 so.. | 0 | 75,507 | 3 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9eefby | i9d4uam | 1,653,095,894 | 1,653,073,805 | 8 | 7 | Focus on what’s in front of you. It’s great to look ahead at times, but it can also stop you from moving forward. Just focus on one step at a time. Improving art is a process- it doesn’t happen overnight! | You also need to take care of your basic needs like eating, sleeping, exercise to be a better student at art because it is mentally draining. | 1 | 22,089 | 1.142857 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9eefby | i9e4xco | 1,653,095,894 | 1,653,090,817 | 8 | 6 | Focus on what’s in front of you. It’s great to look ahead at times, but it can also stop you from moving forward. Just focus on one step at a time. Improving art is a process- it doesn’t happen overnight! | Lots of great advice here, something that worked for me was purchasing a book called 301 1 things to draw. It has on each page an item, product, object etc and and you just try to draw that pages topic…don’t worry about it being bad, just try it. What I learned from doing this was, it didn’t have to be great, it could have been the worst coffee cup drawn by a person, ever. But it was an effort, it was practice and it pushed me to draw different things by taking the what will I draw next resistance out of the equation. I found over time, that the study part of learning to draw, started to find it’s way into my 301 things to draw exercises…and my drawings started to improve. I started to notice a better use of construction and perspective, proportions looked a little better, I felt I was in more control of my pen strokes. I still have so far to go in my development, I always can improve, I believe we all wrestle with inner self critics no matter how talented someone is perceived, I think your a crazy person if you don’t. Stick at it, keep practicing, never give up and take the small victories in your progress. If you have done 5 sketches, and half of 1 sketch on a page is ok to you, that is a sign of progress…feed off it! | 1 | 5,077 | 1.333333 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9df5ru | i9eefby | 1,653,078,457 | 1,653,095,894 | 3 | 8 | I would make a habit of drawing regularly and then start draw a box. Don't worry about being "bad" or whatever. Pretend you're a kid again and just put pen or paint or crayons to paper and enjoy drawing. Then start mixing in the lessons. | Focus on what’s in front of you. It’s great to look ahead at times, but it can also stop you from moving forward. Just focus on one step at a time. Improving art is a process- it doesn’t happen overnight! | 0 | 17,437 | 2.666667 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9e2c7j | i9eefby | 1,653,089,483 | 1,653,095,894 | 3 | 8 | It sounds like you might be disassociating because of the stress. I do that sometimes. Do you struggle with perfectionism? https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/dissociation-and-dissociative-disorders/about-dissociation/ | Focus on what’s in front of you. It’s great to look ahead at times, but it can also stop you from moving forward. Just focus on one step at a time. Improving art is a process- it doesn’t happen overnight! | 0 | 6,411 | 2.666667 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9eefby | i9d4lck | 1,653,095,894 | 1,653,073,687 | 8 | 2 | Focus on what’s in front of you. It’s great to look ahead at times, but it can also stop you from moving forward. Just focus on one step at a time. Improving art is a process- it doesn’t happen overnight! | So I suggest figuring out a period of time you are most effective at drawing first. I think being overwhelmed is a natural thing. Take it calmly and try to draw to get passed this mental block. It maybe beneficial to dedicate time for collecting drawing reference vs actually drawing time in which you draw using your reference. As a learning experience, I suggest you draw along with a given drawabox lesson to try to learn from it. Let it be known that you are probably trying to absorb a lot of information at once. If you don’t mind me asking, what lesson and exercise are you currently on? And what would you like to draw for fun? | 1 | 22,207 | 4 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9eefby | i9dcb8v | 1,653,095,894 | 1,653,077,163 | 8 | 1 | Focus on what’s in front of you. It’s great to look ahead at times, but it can also stop you from moving forward. Just focus on one step at a time. Improving art is a process- it doesn’t happen overnight! | Don’t feel like you have to rush yourself through the lessons. You can take as much time as you need. If you start feeling overwhelmed, go grab a tea or juice and calm down and try again when you’re calm. | 1 | 18,731 | 8 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9evebh | i9d4uam | 1,653,105,050 | 1,653,073,805 | 8 | 7 | I've been noticing from the lessons on DrawaBox that sometimes you just have to do the exercises without asking "what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it". Sometimes what you'll get from the lesson might not be apparent until another homework/lesson later down the line. I find just go with the flow here. Sometimes you might not get much out of it at all, and personally, that's all right. Sometimes all you'll get is a bit more muscle memory out of it. And now I'm going to be heretical here and suggest maybe don't worry about/do the 50/50 agreement? Personally, I don't. I found I did the same thing you do, I wasn't sure what to draw, or I get frustrated that I have a bad tendency to pick a subject harder then my abilities. So I just do these lessons. And now I'm in Lesson 5, with animals, and I've been learning a lot and enjoying it. I prefer the structure of "do this" and less of "do what you feel like". I do always make sure to use my own references (from Lesson 2 onward of textures, etc) so I get to have that freedom to do what I enjoy and not feel forced and burn out (which I think the 50/50 rule is made for). Maybe this would be better for you? | You also need to take care of your basic needs like eating, sleeping, exercise to be a better student at art because it is mentally draining. | 1 | 31,245 | 1.142857 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9e4xco | i9evebh | 1,653,090,817 | 1,653,105,050 | 6 | 8 | Lots of great advice here, something that worked for me was purchasing a book called 301 1 things to draw. It has on each page an item, product, object etc and and you just try to draw that pages topic…don’t worry about it being bad, just try it. What I learned from doing this was, it didn’t have to be great, it could have been the worst coffee cup drawn by a person, ever. But it was an effort, it was practice and it pushed me to draw different things by taking the what will I draw next resistance out of the equation. I found over time, that the study part of learning to draw, started to find it’s way into my 301 things to draw exercises…and my drawings started to improve. I started to notice a better use of construction and perspective, proportions looked a little better, I felt I was in more control of my pen strokes. I still have so far to go in my development, I always can improve, I believe we all wrestle with inner self critics no matter how talented someone is perceived, I think your a crazy person if you don’t. Stick at it, keep practicing, never give up and take the small victories in your progress. If you have done 5 sketches, and half of 1 sketch on a page is ok to you, that is a sign of progress…feed off it! | I've been noticing from the lessons on DrawaBox that sometimes you just have to do the exercises without asking "what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it". Sometimes what you'll get from the lesson might not be apparent until another homework/lesson later down the line. I find just go with the flow here. Sometimes you might not get much out of it at all, and personally, that's all right. Sometimes all you'll get is a bit more muscle memory out of it. And now I'm going to be heretical here and suggest maybe don't worry about/do the 50/50 agreement? Personally, I don't. I found I did the same thing you do, I wasn't sure what to draw, or I get frustrated that I have a bad tendency to pick a subject harder then my abilities. So I just do these lessons. And now I'm in Lesson 5, with animals, and I've been learning a lot and enjoying it. I prefer the structure of "do this" and less of "do what you feel like". I do always make sure to use my own references (from Lesson 2 onward of textures, etc) so I get to have that freedom to do what I enjoy and not feel forced and burn out (which I think the 50/50 rule is made for). Maybe this would be better for you? | 0 | 14,233 | 1.333333 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9df5ru | i9evebh | 1,653,078,457 | 1,653,105,050 | 3 | 8 | I would make a habit of drawing regularly and then start draw a box. Don't worry about being "bad" or whatever. Pretend you're a kid again and just put pen or paint or crayons to paper and enjoy drawing. Then start mixing in the lessons. | I've been noticing from the lessons on DrawaBox that sometimes you just have to do the exercises without asking "what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it". Sometimes what you'll get from the lesson might not be apparent until another homework/lesson later down the line. I find just go with the flow here. Sometimes you might not get much out of it at all, and personally, that's all right. Sometimes all you'll get is a bit more muscle memory out of it. And now I'm going to be heretical here and suggest maybe don't worry about/do the 50/50 agreement? Personally, I don't. I found I did the same thing you do, I wasn't sure what to draw, or I get frustrated that I have a bad tendency to pick a subject harder then my abilities. So I just do these lessons. And now I'm in Lesson 5, with animals, and I've been learning a lot and enjoying it. I prefer the structure of "do this" and less of "do what you feel like". I do always make sure to use my own references (from Lesson 2 onward of textures, etc) so I get to have that freedom to do what I enjoy and not feel forced and burn out (which I think the 50/50 rule is made for). Maybe this would be better for you? | 0 | 26,593 | 2.666667 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9e2c7j | i9evebh | 1,653,089,483 | 1,653,105,050 | 3 | 8 | It sounds like you might be disassociating because of the stress. I do that sometimes. Do you struggle with perfectionism? https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/dissociation-and-dissociative-disorders/about-dissociation/ | I've been noticing from the lessons on DrawaBox that sometimes you just have to do the exercises without asking "what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it". Sometimes what you'll get from the lesson might not be apparent until another homework/lesson later down the line. I find just go with the flow here. Sometimes you might not get much out of it at all, and personally, that's all right. Sometimes all you'll get is a bit more muscle memory out of it. And now I'm going to be heretical here and suggest maybe don't worry about/do the 50/50 agreement? Personally, I don't. I found I did the same thing you do, I wasn't sure what to draw, or I get frustrated that I have a bad tendency to pick a subject harder then my abilities. So I just do these lessons. And now I'm in Lesson 5, with animals, and I've been learning a lot and enjoying it. I prefer the structure of "do this" and less of "do what you feel like". I do always make sure to use my own references (from Lesson 2 onward of textures, etc) so I get to have that freedom to do what I enjoy and not feel forced and burn out (which I think the 50/50 rule is made for). Maybe this would be better for you? | 0 | 15,567 | 2.666667 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9evebh | i9d4lck | 1,653,105,050 | 1,653,073,687 | 8 | 2 | I've been noticing from the lessons on DrawaBox that sometimes you just have to do the exercises without asking "what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it". Sometimes what you'll get from the lesson might not be apparent until another homework/lesson later down the line. I find just go with the flow here. Sometimes you might not get much out of it at all, and personally, that's all right. Sometimes all you'll get is a bit more muscle memory out of it. And now I'm going to be heretical here and suggest maybe don't worry about/do the 50/50 agreement? Personally, I don't. I found I did the same thing you do, I wasn't sure what to draw, or I get frustrated that I have a bad tendency to pick a subject harder then my abilities. So I just do these lessons. And now I'm in Lesson 5, with animals, and I've been learning a lot and enjoying it. I prefer the structure of "do this" and less of "do what you feel like". I do always make sure to use my own references (from Lesson 2 onward of textures, etc) so I get to have that freedom to do what I enjoy and not feel forced and burn out (which I think the 50/50 rule is made for). Maybe this would be better for you? | So I suggest figuring out a period of time you are most effective at drawing first. I think being overwhelmed is a natural thing. Take it calmly and try to draw to get passed this mental block. It maybe beneficial to dedicate time for collecting drawing reference vs actually drawing time in which you draw using your reference. As a learning experience, I suggest you draw along with a given drawabox lesson to try to learn from it. Let it be known that you are probably trying to absorb a lot of information at once. If you don’t mind me asking, what lesson and exercise are you currently on? And what would you like to draw for fun? | 1 | 31,363 | 4 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9dcb8v | i9evebh | 1,653,077,163 | 1,653,105,050 | 1 | 8 | Don’t feel like you have to rush yourself through the lessons. You can take as much time as you need. If you start feeling overwhelmed, go grab a tea or juice and calm down and try again when you’re calm. | I've been noticing from the lessons on DrawaBox that sometimes you just have to do the exercises without asking "what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it". Sometimes what you'll get from the lesson might not be apparent until another homework/lesson later down the line. I find just go with the flow here. Sometimes you might not get much out of it at all, and personally, that's all right. Sometimes all you'll get is a bit more muscle memory out of it. And now I'm going to be heretical here and suggest maybe don't worry about/do the 50/50 agreement? Personally, I don't. I found I did the same thing you do, I wasn't sure what to draw, or I get frustrated that I have a bad tendency to pick a subject harder then my abilities. So I just do these lessons. And now I'm in Lesson 5, with animals, and I've been learning a lot and enjoying it. I prefer the structure of "do this" and less of "do what you feel like". I do always make sure to use my own references (from Lesson 2 onward of textures, etc) so I get to have that freedom to do what I enjoy and not feel forced and burn out (which I think the 50/50 rule is made for). Maybe this would be better for you? | 0 | 27,887 | 8 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9f1tmy | i9df5ru | 1,653,109,245 | 1,653,078,457 | 6 | 3 | Keep drawing through the disassociating and notice the times when you’re so caught in the copying that you lose yourself even for a second, that’s the flow bb you’re doing it | I would make a habit of drawing regularly and then start draw a box. Don't worry about being "bad" or whatever. Pretend you're a kid again and just put pen or paint or crayons to paper and enjoy drawing. Then start mixing in the lessons. | 1 | 30,788 | 2 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9e2c7j | i9f1tmy | 1,653,089,483 | 1,653,109,245 | 3 | 6 | It sounds like you might be disassociating because of the stress. I do that sometimes. Do you struggle with perfectionism? https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/dissociation-and-dissociative-disorders/about-dissociation/ | Keep drawing through the disassociating and notice the times when you’re so caught in the copying that you lose yourself even for a second, that’s the flow bb you’re doing it | 0 | 19,762 | 2 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9d4lck | i9f1tmy | 1,653,073,687 | 1,653,109,245 | 2 | 6 | So I suggest figuring out a period of time you are most effective at drawing first. I think being overwhelmed is a natural thing. Take it calmly and try to draw to get passed this mental block. It maybe beneficial to dedicate time for collecting drawing reference vs actually drawing time in which you draw using your reference. As a learning experience, I suggest you draw along with a given drawabox lesson to try to learn from it. Let it be known that you are probably trying to absorb a lot of information at once. If you don’t mind me asking, what lesson and exercise are you currently on? And what would you like to draw for fun? | Keep drawing through the disassociating and notice the times when you’re so caught in the copying that you lose yourself even for a second, that’s the flow bb you’re doing it | 0 | 35,558 | 3 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9f1tmy | i9dcb8v | 1,653,109,245 | 1,653,077,163 | 6 | 1 | Keep drawing through the disassociating and notice the times when you’re so caught in the copying that you lose yourself even for a second, that’s the flow bb you’re doing it | Don’t feel like you have to rush yourself through the lessons. You can take as much time as you need. If you start feeling overwhelmed, go grab a tea or juice and calm down and try again when you’re calm. | 1 | 32,082 | 6 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9d4lck | i9d4uam | 1,653,073,687 | 1,653,073,805 | 2 | 7 | So I suggest figuring out a period of time you are most effective at drawing first. I think being overwhelmed is a natural thing. Take it calmly and try to draw to get passed this mental block. It maybe beneficial to dedicate time for collecting drawing reference vs actually drawing time in which you draw using your reference. As a learning experience, I suggest you draw along with a given drawabox lesson to try to learn from it. Let it be known that you are probably trying to absorb a lot of information at once. If you don’t mind me asking, what lesson and exercise are you currently on? And what would you like to draw for fun? | You also need to take care of your basic needs like eating, sleeping, exercise to be a better student at art because it is mentally draining. | 0 | 118 | 3.5 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9e4xco | i9df5ru | 1,653,090,817 | 1,653,078,457 | 6 | 3 | Lots of great advice here, something that worked for me was purchasing a book called 301 1 things to draw. It has on each page an item, product, object etc and and you just try to draw that pages topic…don’t worry about it being bad, just try it. What I learned from doing this was, it didn’t have to be great, it could have been the worst coffee cup drawn by a person, ever. But it was an effort, it was practice and it pushed me to draw different things by taking the what will I draw next resistance out of the equation. I found over time, that the study part of learning to draw, started to find it’s way into my 301 things to draw exercises…and my drawings started to improve. I started to notice a better use of construction and perspective, proportions looked a little better, I felt I was in more control of my pen strokes. I still have so far to go in my development, I always can improve, I believe we all wrestle with inner self critics no matter how talented someone is perceived, I think your a crazy person if you don’t. Stick at it, keep practicing, never give up and take the small victories in your progress. If you have done 5 sketches, and half of 1 sketch on a page is ok to you, that is a sign of progress…feed off it! | I would make a habit of drawing regularly and then start draw a box. Don't worry about being "bad" or whatever. Pretend you're a kid again and just put pen or paint or crayons to paper and enjoy drawing. Then start mixing in the lessons. | 1 | 12,360 | 2 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9e4xco | i9e2c7j | 1,653,090,817 | 1,653,089,483 | 6 | 3 | Lots of great advice here, something that worked for me was purchasing a book called 301 1 things to draw. It has on each page an item, product, object etc and and you just try to draw that pages topic…don’t worry about it being bad, just try it. What I learned from doing this was, it didn’t have to be great, it could have been the worst coffee cup drawn by a person, ever. But it was an effort, it was practice and it pushed me to draw different things by taking the what will I draw next resistance out of the equation. I found over time, that the study part of learning to draw, started to find it’s way into my 301 things to draw exercises…and my drawings started to improve. I started to notice a better use of construction and perspective, proportions looked a little better, I felt I was in more control of my pen strokes. I still have so far to go in my development, I always can improve, I believe we all wrestle with inner self critics no matter how talented someone is perceived, I think your a crazy person if you don’t. Stick at it, keep practicing, never give up and take the small victories in your progress. If you have done 5 sketches, and half of 1 sketch on a page is ok to you, that is a sign of progress…feed off it! | It sounds like you might be disassociating because of the stress. I do that sometimes. Do you struggle with perfectionism? https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/dissociation-and-dissociative-disorders/about-dissociation/ | 1 | 1,334 | 2 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9e4xco | i9d4lck | 1,653,090,817 | 1,653,073,687 | 6 | 2 | Lots of great advice here, something that worked for me was purchasing a book called 301 1 things to draw. It has on each page an item, product, object etc and and you just try to draw that pages topic…don’t worry about it being bad, just try it. What I learned from doing this was, it didn’t have to be great, it could have been the worst coffee cup drawn by a person, ever. But it was an effort, it was practice and it pushed me to draw different things by taking the what will I draw next resistance out of the equation. I found over time, that the study part of learning to draw, started to find it’s way into my 301 things to draw exercises…and my drawings started to improve. I started to notice a better use of construction and perspective, proportions looked a little better, I felt I was in more control of my pen strokes. I still have so far to go in my development, I always can improve, I believe we all wrestle with inner self critics no matter how talented someone is perceived, I think your a crazy person if you don’t. Stick at it, keep practicing, never give up and take the small victories in your progress. If you have done 5 sketches, and half of 1 sketch on a page is ok to you, that is a sign of progress…feed off it! | So I suggest figuring out a period of time you are most effective at drawing first. I think being overwhelmed is a natural thing. Take it calmly and try to draw to get passed this mental block. It maybe beneficial to dedicate time for collecting drawing reference vs actually drawing time in which you draw using your reference. As a learning experience, I suggest you draw along with a given drawabox lesson to try to learn from it. Let it be known that you are probably trying to absorb a lot of information at once. If you don’t mind me asking, what lesson and exercise are you currently on? And what would you like to draw for fun? | 1 | 17,130 | 3 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9e4xco | i9dcb8v | 1,653,090,817 | 1,653,077,163 | 6 | 1 | Lots of great advice here, something that worked for me was purchasing a book called 301 1 things to draw. It has on each page an item, product, object etc and and you just try to draw that pages topic…don’t worry about it being bad, just try it. What I learned from doing this was, it didn’t have to be great, it could have been the worst coffee cup drawn by a person, ever. But it was an effort, it was practice and it pushed me to draw different things by taking the what will I draw next resistance out of the equation. I found over time, that the study part of learning to draw, started to find it’s way into my 301 things to draw exercises…and my drawings started to improve. I started to notice a better use of construction and perspective, proportions looked a little better, I felt I was in more control of my pen strokes. I still have so far to go in my development, I always can improve, I believe we all wrestle with inner self critics no matter how talented someone is perceived, I think your a crazy person if you don’t. Stick at it, keep practicing, never give up and take the small victories in your progress. If you have done 5 sketches, and half of 1 sketch on a page is ok to you, that is a sign of progress…feed off it! | Don’t feel like you have to rush yourself through the lessons. You can take as much time as you need. If you start feeling overwhelmed, go grab a tea or juice and calm down and try again when you’re calm. | 1 | 13,654 | 6 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9df5ru | i9fxu5k | 1,653,078,457 | 1,653,135,827 | 3 | 4 | I would make a habit of drawing regularly and then start draw a box. Don't worry about being "bad" or whatever. Pretend you're a kid again and just put pen or paint or crayons to paper and enjoy drawing. Then start mixing in the lessons. | Draw random scribbles on your paper. Then see if you notice any “pictures” in the scribbles. Sort of like when you see shapes in clouds. Then start adding details and shading to “bring forth” whatever it is you saw. Also, just drawing whatever you see around you will do wonders even if you think you don’t know what you are doing. Drawing is all about learning to synchronize your visual perceptions with your hand. Be curious about what you see around you and try to figure out what kinds of lines will best replicate what you are looking at. Avoid copying from pictures as you learn, you will get so much more from drawing the 3D world around you. It’s definitely harder, but the feeling of difficulty is a symptom of learning something new. | 0 | 57,370 | 1.333333 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9e2c7j | i9fxu5k | 1,653,089,483 | 1,653,135,827 | 3 | 4 | It sounds like you might be disassociating because of the stress. I do that sometimes. Do you struggle with perfectionism? https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/dissociation-and-dissociative-disorders/about-dissociation/ | Draw random scribbles on your paper. Then see if you notice any “pictures” in the scribbles. Sort of like when you see shapes in clouds. Then start adding details and shading to “bring forth” whatever it is you saw. Also, just drawing whatever you see around you will do wonders even if you think you don’t know what you are doing. Drawing is all about learning to synchronize your visual perceptions with your hand. Be curious about what you see around you and try to figure out what kinds of lines will best replicate what you are looking at. Avoid copying from pictures as you learn, you will get so much more from drawing the 3D world around you. It’s definitely harder, but the feeling of difficulty is a symptom of learning something new. | 0 | 46,344 | 1.333333 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9d4lck | i9fxu5k | 1,653,073,687 | 1,653,135,827 | 2 | 4 | So I suggest figuring out a period of time you are most effective at drawing first. I think being overwhelmed is a natural thing. Take it calmly and try to draw to get passed this mental block. It maybe beneficial to dedicate time for collecting drawing reference vs actually drawing time in which you draw using your reference. As a learning experience, I suggest you draw along with a given drawabox lesson to try to learn from it. Let it be known that you are probably trying to absorb a lot of information at once. If you don’t mind me asking, what lesson and exercise are you currently on? And what would you like to draw for fun? | Draw random scribbles on your paper. Then see if you notice any “pictures” in the scribbles. Sort of like when you see shapes in clouds. Then start adding details and shading to “bring forth” whatever it is you saw. Also, just drawing whatever you see around you will do wonders even if you think you don’t know what you are doing. Drawing is all about learning to synchronize your visual perceptions with your hand. Be curious about what you see around you and try to figure out what kinds of lines will best replicate what you are looking at. Avoid copying from pictures as you learn, you will get so much more from drawing the 3D world around you. It’s definitely harder, but the feeling of difficulty is a symptom of learning something new. | 0 | 62,140 | 2 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9fxu5k | i9dcb8v | 1,653,135,827 | 1,653,077,163 | 4 | 1 | Draw random scribbles on your paper. Then see if you notice any “pictures” in the scribbles. Sort of like when you see shapes in clouds. Then start adding details and shading to “bring forth” whatever it is you saw. Also, just drawing whatever you see around you will do wonders even if you think you don’t know what you are doing. Drawing is all about learning to synchronize your visual perceptions with your hand. Be curious about what you see around you and try to figure out what kinds of lines will best replicate what you are looking at. Avoid copying from pictures as you learn, you will get so much more from drawing the 3D world around you. It’s definitely harder, but the feeling of difficulty is a symptom of learning something new. | Don’t feel like you have to rush yourself through the lessons. You can take as much time as you need. If you start feeling overwhelmed, go grab a tea or juice and calm down and try again when you’re calm. | 1 | 58,664 | 4 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9d4lck | i9df5ru | 1,653,073,687 | 1,653,078,457 | 2 | 3 | So I suggest figuring out a period of time you are most effective at drawing first. I think being overwhelmed is a natural thing. Take it calmly and try to draw to get passed this mental block. It maybe beneficial to dedicate time for collecting drawing reference vs actually drawing time in which you draw using your reference. As a learning experience, I suggest you draw along with a given drawabox lesson to try to learn from it. Let it be known that you are probably trying to absorb a lot of information at once. If you don’t mind me asking, what lesson and exercise are you currently on? And what would you like to draw for fun? | I would make a habit of drawing regularly and then start draw a box. Don't worry about being "bad" or whatever. Pretend you're a kid again and just put pen or paint or crayons to paper and enjoy drawing. Then start mixing in the lessons. | 0 | 4,770 | 1.5 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9dcb8v | i9df5ru | 1,653,077,163 | 1,653,078,457 | 1 | 3 | Don’t feel like you have to rush yourself through the lessons. You can take as much time as you need. If you start feeling overwhelmed, go grab a tea or juice and calm down and try again when you’re calm. | I would make a habit of drawing regularly and then start draw a box. Don't worry about being "bad" or whatever. Pretend you're a kid again and just put pen or paint or crayons to paper and enjoy drawing. Then start mixing in the lessons. | 0 | 1,294 | 3 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9d4lck | i9e2c7j | 1,653,073,687 | 1,653,089,483 | 2 | 3 | So I suggest figuring out a period of time you are most effective at drawing first. I think being overwhelmed is a natural thing. Take it calmly and try to draw to get passed this mental block. It maybe beneficial to dedicate time for collecting drawing reference vs actually drawing time in which you draw using your reference. As a learning experience, I suggest you draw along with a given drawabox lesson to try to learn from it. Let it be known that you are probably trying to absorb a lot of information at once. If you don’t mind me asking, what lesson and exercise are you currently on? And what would you like to draw for fun? | It sounds like you might be disassociating because of the stress. I do that sometimes. Do you struggle with perfectionism? https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/dissociation-and-dissociative-disorders/about-dissociation/ | 0 | 15,796 | 1.5 | ||
uu52m5 | artfundamentals_train | 1 | Any advice on overcoming being overwhelmed? Hello, I used to draw from grade school till mid-way through college. I stopped to focus on my (non artistic) career but wanted to get back into it and learn how to draw properly with the fundamentals. I've been struggling for about almost a year, but I then discovered Draw a Box about a month ago. However, I'm still struggling. Pretty much, when I go into a lesson, I get so overwhelmed just thinking about what it is I'm supposed to be getting from it. By the time I get to the homework, my mind goes blank and I just end up copying what I see instead of learning or even thinking about the point of the lesson. Even when it comes to the play part of the 50/50 agreement, I find myself staring at a blank page unable to draw or just dragging my pencil over the page without any purpose. If I look up something to draw for reference, I start feeling like I'm studying again and get frustrated or overwhelmed and then back to the mindless copying. Does anyone have any advice on how to get through this? I've taken at least a week break from drawing thinking it may be stress, but it hasn't really gotten better. | i9dcb8v | i9e2c7j | 1,653,077,163 | 1,653,089,483 | 1 | 3 | Don’t feel like you have to rush yourself through the lessons. You can take as much time as you need. If you start feeling overwhelmed, go grab a tea or juice and calm down and try again when you’re calm. | It sounds like you might be disassociating because of the stress. I do that sometimes. Do you struggle with perfectionism? https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/dissociation-and-dissociative-disorders/about-dissociation/ | 0 | 12,320 | 3 |
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