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[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ..." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program.", ">\n\nI'd go further. Pull AP as a thing completely; it's just a scam for College Board. For example, med schools don't like AP credit, but the students who are looking at med school are precisely the sorts of students who will take AP. High schools don't tell them that they are weakening their future application because they want to boast about the percentage of their students who take AP. \nPart of what I do is admissions. I don't give a shit if a student has taken an AP class. I also don't care if you gave CB money so you can take the SAT. Let's move on past this bullshit." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program.", ">\n\nI'd go further. Pull AP as a thing completely; it's just a scam for College Board. For example, med schools don't like AP credit, but the students who are looking at med school are precisely the sorts of students who will take AP. High schools don't tell them that they are weakening their future application because they want to boast about the percentage of their students who take AP. \nPart of what I do is admissions. I don't give a shit if a student has taken an AP class. I also don't care if you gave CB money so you can take the SAT. Let's move on past this bullshit.", ">\n\nI look at things like the college board, healthcare, and insurance and I think America is a scam. America isn’t the scam, it’s the longstanding institutions, such as the college board, that cripple American innovation and are the scam." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program.", ">\n\nI'd go further. Pull AP as a thing completely; it's just a scam for College Board. For example, med schools don't like AP credit, but the students who are looking at med school are precisely the sorts of students who will take AP. High schools don't tell them that they are weakening their future application because they want to boast about the percentage of their students who take AP. \nPart of what I do is admissions. I don't give a shit if a student has taken an AP class. I also don't care if you gave CB money so you can take the SAT. Let's move on past this bullshit.", ">\n\nI look at things like the college board, healthcare, and insurance and I think America is a scam. America isn’t the scam, it’s the longstanding institutions, such as the college board, that cripple American innovation and are the scam.", ">\n\nDesantis took the liquid license away from a small concert venue in Orlando because they allowed a drag show. \nThe concert venue is home to the Orlando philharmonic. He is purposely trying to harm a small business. \nHe did it just to be cruel. There is no reason for the location to not have a liquor license." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program.", ">\n\nI'd go further. Pull AP as a thing completely; it's just a scam for College Board. For example, med schools don't like AP credit, but the students who are looking at med school are precisely the sorts of students who will take AP. High schools don't tell them that they are weakening their future application because they want to boast about the percentage of their students who take AP. \nPart of what I do is admissions. I don't give a shit if a student has taken an AP class. I also don't care if you gave CB money so you can take the SAT. Let's move on past this bullshit.", ">\n\nI look at things like the college board, healthcare, and insurance and I think America is a scam. America isn’t the scam, it’s the longstanding institutions, such as the college board, that cripple American innovation and are the scam.", ">\n\nDesantis took the liquid license away from a small concert venue in Orlando because they allowed a drag show. \nThe concert venue is home to the Orlando philharmonic. He is purposely trying to harm a small business. \nHe did it just to be cruel. There is no reason for the location to not have a liquor license.", ">\n\nHavent had this level of irony since Alanis.. nope, we never had this level, this is hilarious." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program.", ">\n\nI'd go further. Pull AP as a thing completely; it's just a scam for College Board. For example, med schools don't like AP credit, but the students who are looking at med school are precisely the sorts of students who will take AP. High schools don't tell them that they are weakening their future application because they want to boast about the percentage of their students who take AP. \nPart of what I do is admissions. I don't give a shit if a student has taken an AP class. I also don't care if you gave CB money so you can take the SAT. Let's move on past this bullshit.", ">\n\nI look at things like the college board, healthcare, and insurance and I think America is a scam. America isn’t the scam, it’s the longstanding institutions, such as the college board, that cripple American innovation and are the scam.", ">\n\nDesantis took the liquid license away from a small concert venue in Orlando because they allowed a drag show. \nThe concert venue is home to the Orlando philharmonic. He is purposely trying to harm a small business. \nHe did it just to be cruel. There is no reason for the location to not have a liquor license.", ">\n\nHavent had this level of irony since Alanis.. nope, we never had this level, this is hilarious.", ">\n\nCritical theory isn't even taught below graduate school. Republicans are shameful in their moral panic to ban it." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program.", ">\n\nI'd go further. Pull AP as a thing completely; it's just a scam for College Board. For example, med schools don't like AP credit, but the students who are looking at med school are precisely the sorts of students who will take AP. High schools don't tell them that they are weakening their future application because they want to boast about the percentage of their students who take AP. \nPart of what I do is admissions. I don't give a shit if a student has taken an AP class. I also don't care if you gave CB money so you can take the SAT. Let's move on past this bullshit.", ">\n\nI look at things like the college board, healthcare, and insurance and I think America is a scam. America isn’t the scam, it’s the longstanding institutions, such as the college board, that cripple American innovation and are the scam.", ">\n\nDesantis took the liquid license away from a small concert venue in Orlando because they allowed a drag show. \nThe concert venue is home to the Orlando philharmonic. He is purposely trying to harm a small business. \nHe did it just to be cruel. There is no reason for the location to not have a liquor license.", ">\n\nHavent had this level of irony since Alanis.. nope, we never had this level, this is hilarious.", ">\n\nCritical theory isn't even taught below graduate school. Republicans are shameful in their moral panic to ban it.", ">\n\nRepublicans don’t even understand what it is either. Of course that applies to most things they are outraged about. Especially how they call everything “woke.” They have no idea what that means." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program.", ">\n\nI'd go further. Pull AP as a thing completely; it's just a scam for College Board. For example, med schools don't like AP credit, but the students who are looking at med school are precisely the sorts of students who will take AP. High schools don't tell them that they are weakening their future application because they want to boast about the percentage of their students who take AP. \nPart of what I do is admissions. I don't give a shit if a student has taken an AP class. I also don't care if you gave CB money so you can take the SAT. Let's move on past this bullshit.", ">\n\nI look at things like the college board, healthcare, and insurance and I think America is a scam. America isn’t the scam, it’s the longstanding institutions, such as the college board, that cripple American innovation and are the scam.", ">\n\nDesantis took the liquid license away from a small concert venue in Orlando because they allowed a drag show. \nThe concert venue is home to the Orlando philharmonic. He is purposely trying to harm a small business. \nHe did it just to be cruel. There is no reason for the location to not have a liquor license.", ">\n\nHavent had this level of irony since Alanis.. nope, we never had this level, this is hilarious.", ">\n\nCritical theory isn't even taught below graduate school. Republicans are shameful in their moral panic to ban it.", ">\n\nRepublicans don’t even understand what it is either. Of course that applies to most things they are outraged about. Especially how they call everything “woke.” They have no idea what that means.", ">\n\nThe College Board and Ron DeSantis deserve one another. The College Board is made up of greedy corporatist sycophants who will bend over for whomever will promise them a reliable market share and relevance. DeSantis, like all fascists, feeds on sycophancy, and can now boast that he made the pointy headed woke intellectuals back down. Of course, he did no such thing, but scarcely anyone will appreciate the difference." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program.", ">\n\nI'd go further. Pull AP as a thing completely; it's just a scam for College Board. For example, med schools don't like AP credit, but the students who are looking at med school are precisely the sorts of students who will take AP. High schools don't tell them that they are weakening their future application because they want to boast about the percentage of their students who take AP. \nPart of what I do is admissions. I don't give a shit if a student has taken an AP class. I also don't care if you gave CB money so you can take the SAT. Let's move on past this bullshit.", ">\n\nI look at things like the college board, healthcare, and insurance and I think America is a scam. America isn’t the scam, it’s the longstanding institutions, such as the college board, that cripple American innovation and are the scam.", ">\n\nDesantis took the liquid license away from a small concert venue in Orlando because they allowed a drag show. \nThe concert venue is home to the Orlando philharmonic. He is purposely trying to harm a small business. \nHe did it just to be cruel. There is no reason for the location to not have a liquor license.", ">\n\nHavent had this level of irony since Alanis.. nope, we never had this level, this is hilarious.", ">\n\nCritical theory isn't even taught below graduate school. Republicans are shameful in their moral panic to ban it.", ">\n\nRepublicans don’t even understand what it is either. Of course that applies to most things they are outraged about. Especially how they call everything “woke.” They have no idea what that means.", ">\n\nThe College Board and Ron DeSantis deserve one another. The College Board is made up of greedy corporatist sycophants who will bend over for whomever will promise them a reliable market share and relevance. DeSantis, like all fascists, feeds on sycophancy, and can now boast that he made the pointy headed woke intellectuals back down. Of course, he did no such thing, but scarcely anyone will appreciate the difference.", ">\n\nProbably one of the only reasons why College Board did this is because Florida has an lot of Big Colleges and University." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program.", ">\n\nI'd go further. Pull AP as a thing completely; it's just a scam for College Board. For example, med schools don't like AP credit, but the students who are looking at med school are precisely the sorts of students who will take AP. High schools don't tell them that they are weakening their future application because they want to boast about the percentage of their students who take AP. \nPart of what I do is admissions. I don't give a shit if a student has taken an AP class. I also don't care if you gave CB money so you can take the SAT. Let's move on past this bullshit.", ">\n\nI look at things like the college board, healthcare, and insurance and I think America is a scam. America isn’t the scam, it’s the longstanding institutions, such as the college board, that cripple American innovation and are the scam.", ">\n\nDesantis took the liquid license away from a small concert venue in Orlando because they allowed a drag show. \nThe concert venue is home to the Orlando philharmonic. He is purposely trying to harm a small business. \nHe did it just to be cruel. There is no reason for the location to not have a liquor license.", ">\n\nHavent had this level of irony since Alanis.. nope, we never had this level, this is hilarious.", ">\n\nCritical theory isn't even taught below graduate school. Republicans are shameful in their moral panic to ban it.", ">\n\nRepublicans don’t even understand what it is either. Of course that applies to most things they are outraged about. Especially how they call everything “woke.” They have no idea what that means.", ">\n\nThe College Board and Ron DeSantis deserve one another. The College Board is made up of greedy corporatist sycophants who will bend over for whomever will promise them a reliable market share and relevance. DeSantis, like all fascists, feeds on sycophancy, and can now boast that he made the pointy headed woke intellectuals back down. Of course, he did no such thing, but scarcely anyone will appreciate the difference.", ">\n\nProbably one of the only reasons why College Board did this is because Florida has an lot of Big Colleges and University.", ">\n\nDecent school systems should stop hosting College Board AP curriculum." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program.", ">\n\nI'd go further. Pull AP as a thing completely; it's just a scam for College Board. For example, med schools don't like AP credit, but the students who are looking at med school are precisely the sorts of students who will take AP. High schools don't tell them that they are weakening their future application because they want to boast about the percentage of their students who take AP. \nPart of what I do is admissions. I don't give a shit if a student has taken an AP class. I also don't care if you gave CB money so you can take the SAT. Let's move on past this bullshit.", ">\n\nI look at things like the college board, healthcare, and insurance and I think America is a scam. America isn’t the scam, it’s the longstanding institutions, such as the college board, that cripple American innovation and are the scam.", ">\n\nDesantis took the liquid license away from a small concert venue in Orlando because they allowed a drag show. \nThe concert venue is home to the Orlando philharmonic. He is purposely trying to harm a small business. \nHe did it just to be cruel. There is no reason for the location to not have a liquor license.", ">\n\nHavent had this level of irony since Alanis.. nope, we never had this level, this is hilarious.", ">\n\nCritical theory isn't even taught below graduate school. Republicans are shameful in their moral panic to ban it.", ">\n\nRepublicans don’t even understand what it is either. Of course that applies to most things they are outraged about. Especially how they call everything “woke.” They have no idea what that means.", ">\n\nThe College Board and Ron DeSantis deserve one another. The College Board is made up of greedy corporatist sycophants who will bend over for whomever will promise them a reliable market share and relevance. DeSantis, like all fascists, feeds on sycophancy, and can now boast that he made the pointy headed woke intellectuals back down. Of course, he did no such thing, but scarcely anyone will appreciate the difference.", ">\n\nProbably one of the only reasons why College Board did this is because Florida has an lot of Big Colleges and University.", ">\n\nDecent school systems should stop hosting College Board AP curriculum.", ">\n\nLarge university systems, like UC, should refuse to accept any high school AP credits from Florida students. Go to you alligator school & learn nothing there instead." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program.", ">\n\nI'd go further. Pull AP as a thing completely; it's just a scam for College Board. For example, med schools don't like AP credit, but the students who are looking at med school are precisely the sorts of students who will take AP. High schools don't tell them that they are weakening their future application because they want to boast about the percentage of their students who take AP. \nPart of what I do is admissions. I don't give a shit if a student has taken an AP class. I also don't care if you gave CB money so you can take the SAT. Let's move on past this bullshit.", ">\n\nI look at things like the college board, healthcare, and insurance and I think America is a scam. America isn’t the scam, it’s the longstanding institutions, such as the college board, that cripple American innovation and are the scam.", ">\n\nDesantis took the liquid license away from a small concert venue in Orlando because they allowed a drag show. \nThe concert venue is home to the Orlando philharmonic. He is purposely trying to harm a small business. \nHe did it just to be cruel. There is no reason for the location to not have a liquor license.", ">\n\nHavent had this level of irony since Alanis.. nope, we never had this level, this is hilarious.", ">\n\nCritical theory isn't even taught below graduate school. Republicans are shameful in their moral panic to ban it.", ">\n\nRepublicans don’t even understand what it is either. Of course that applies to most things they are outraged about. Especially how they call everything “woke.” They have no idea what that means.", ">\n\nThe College Board and Ron DeSantis deserve one another. The College Board is made up of greedy corporatist sycophants who will bend over for whomever will promise them a reliable market share and relevance. DeSantis, like all fascists, feeds on sycophancy, and can now boast that he made the pointy headed woke intellectuals back down. Of course, he did no such thing, but scarcely anyone will appreciate the difference.", ">\n\nProbably one of the only reasons why College Board did this is because Florida has an lot of Big Colleges and University.", ">\n\nDecent school systems should stop hosting College Board AP curriculum.", ">\n\nLarge university systems, like UC, should refuse to accept any high school AP credits from Florida students. Go to you alligator school & learn nothing there instead.", ">\n\nI hate that College Board's commodification of education has created cover to imagine that DeSantis has a point. I mean, let's be clear: he doesn't. This is just more culture war bullshit from a party that hates black people and education and so is attacking a point where they converge. The failings of College Board and its AP system have nothing to do with it, but now DeSantis and his retrograde supporters get to claim credit for the spotlight being shined on them." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program.", ">\n\nI'd go further. Pull AP as a thing completely; it's just a scam for College Board. For example, med schools don't like AP credit, but the students who are looking at med school are precisely the sorts of students who will take AP. High schools don't tell them that they are weakening their future application because they want to boast about the percentage of their students who take AP. \nPart of what I do is admissions. I don't give a shit if a student has taken an AP class. I also don't care if you gave CB money so you can take the SAT. Let's move on past this bullshit.", ">\n\nI look at things like the college board, healthcare, and insurance and I think America is a scam. America isn’t the scam, it’s the longstanding institutions, such as the college board, that cripple American innovation and are the scam.", ">\n\nDesantis took the liquid license away from a small concert venue in Orlando because they allowed a drag show. \nThe concert venue is home to the Orlando philharmonic. He is purposely trying to harm a small business. \nHe did it just to be cruel. There is no reason for the location to not have a liquor license.", ">\n\nHavent had this level of irony since Alanis.. nope, we never had this level, this is hilarious.", ">\n\nCritical theory isn't even taught below graduate school. Republicans are shameful in their moral panic to ban it.", ">\n\nRepublicans don’t even understand what it is either. Of course that applies to most things they are outraged about. Especially how they call everything “woke.” They have no idea what that means.", ">\n\nThe College Board and Ron DeSantis deserve one another. The College Board is made up of greedy corporatist sycophants who will bend over for whomever will promise them a reliable market share and relevance. DeSantis, like all fascists, feeds on sycophancy, and can now boast that he made the pointy headed woke intellectuals back down. Of course, he did no such thing, but scarcely anyone will appreciate the difference.", ">\n\nProbably one of the only reasons why College Board did this is because Florida has an lot of Big Colleges and University.", ">\n\nDecent school systems should stop hosting College Board AP curriculum.", ">\n\nLarge university systems, like UC, should refuse to accept any high school AP credits from Florida students. Go to you alligator school & learn nothing there instead.", ">\n\nI hate that College Board's commodification of education has created cover to imagine that DeSantis has a point. I mean, let's be clear: he doesn't. This is just more culture war bullshit from a party that hates black people and education and so is attacking a point where they converge. The failings of College Board and its AP system have nothing to do with it, but now DeSantis and his retrograde supporters get to claim credit for the spotlight being shined on them.", ">\n\nTheir base equates African American studies with just bashing white people and nothing else, and Western Civilization studies supposedly only covers how great white people are." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program.", ">\n\nI'd go further. Pull AP as a thing completely; it's just a scam for College Board. For example, med schools don't like AP credit, but the students who are looking at med school are precisely the sorts of students who will take AP. High schools don't tell them that they are weakening their future application because they want to boast about the percentage of their students who take AP. \nPart of what I do is admissions. I don't give a shit if a student has taken an AP class. I also don't care if you gave CB money so you can take the SAT. Let's move on past this bullshit.", ">\n\nI look at things like the college board, healthcare, and insurance and I think America is a scam. America isn’t the scam, it’s the longstanding institutions, such as the college board, that cripple American innovation and are the scam.", ">\n\nDesantis took the liquid license away from a small concert venue in Orlando because they allowed a drag show. \nThe concert venue is home to the Orlando philharmonic. He is purposely trying to harm a small business. \nHe did it just to be cruel. There is no reason for the location to not have a liquor license.", ">\n\nHavent had this level of irony since Alanis.. nope, we never had this level, this is hilarious.", ">\n\nCritical theory isn't even taught below graduate school. Republicans are shameful in their moral panic to ban it.", ">\n\nRepublicans don’t even understand what it is either. Of course that applies to most things they are outraged about. Especially how they call everything “woke.” They have no idea what that means.", ">\n\nThe College Board and Ron DeSantis deserve one another. The College Board is made up of greedy corporatist sycophants who will bend over for whomever will promise them a reliable market share and relevance. DeSantis, like all fascists, feeds on sycophancy, and can now boast that he made the pointy headed woke intellectuals back down. Of course, he did no such thing, but scarcely anyone will appreciate the difference.", ">\n\nProbably one of the only reasons why College Board did this is because Florida has an lot of Big Colleges and University.", ">\n\nDecent school systems should stop hosting College Board AP curriculum.", ">\n\nLarge university systems, like UC, should refuse to accept any high school AP credits from Florida students. Go to you alligator school & learn nothing there instead.", ">\n\nI hate that College Board's commodification of education has created cover to imagine that DeSantis has a point. I mean, let's be clear: he doesn't. This is just more culture war bullshit from a party that hates black people and education and so is attacking a point where they converge. The failings of College Board and its AP system have nothing to do with it, but now DeSantis and his retrograde supporters get to claim credit for the spotlight being shined on them.", ">\n\nTheir base equates African American studies with just bashing white people and nothing else, and Western Civilization studies supposedly only covers how great white people are.", ">\n\nI wonder who is going to put repelling the 14th Amendment as his Presidential campaign agenda first, Trump or DeSantis...." ]

[ "Republicans don't even give a shit about their representatives governing. They literally just want them to start culture wars and dish out hits on societal things that they find offensive. Take DeSantis here. Dude has no accomplishments as governor; nothing important legislative, and nothing important economically. Battling \"woke\" shit like this is his only motivation, and it's what his voters want.", ">\n\nI fought the Mouse / and the Mouse won ...", ">\n\nOther states should ditch the college board. Screw them.", ">\n\nThe worst thing College Board could do was back down. They should have just pulled the class in Florida. No one wants a watered down bullshit class on African American history. There’s already enough of that to go around.", ">\n\nAnd backing down will just embolden the next attack.", ">\n\nMy hope is the universities will choose not to honor this class. They don’t have to accept AP credits and a big part of doing so is a review of the curriculum to ensure it meets with the university standards for that topic and match it to a particular class in the university catalog. I don’t know how any decent university can look at the new curriculum and say it actually covers this topic with any level of integrity.\nI am sure Florida Universities will take it, and most of the south, but hopefully some very big noteworthy ones will publicly refuse to accept that credit towards a degree program.", ">\n\nI'd go further. Pull AP as a thing completely; it's just a scam for College Board. For example, med schools don't like AP credit, but the students who are looking at med school are precisely the sorts of students who will take AP. High schools don't tell them that they are weakening their future application because they want to boast about the percentage of their students who take AP. \nPart of what I do is admissions. I don't give a shit if a student has taken an AP class. I also don't care if you gave CB money so you can take the SAT. Let's move on past this bullshit.", ">\n\nI look at things like the college board, healthcare, and insurance and I think America is a scam. America isn’t the scam, it’s the longstanding institutions, such as the college board, that cripple American innovation and are the scam.", ">\n\nDesantis took the liquid license away from a small concert venue in Orlando because they allowed a drag show. \nThe concert venue is home to the Orlando philharmonic. He is purposely trying to harm a small business. \nHe did it just to be cruel. There is no reason for the location to not have a liquor license.", ">\n\nHavent had this level of irony since Alanis.. nope, we never had this level, this is hilarious.", ">\n\nCritical theory isn't even taught below graduate school. Republicans are shameful in their moral panic to ban it.", ">\n\nRepublicans don’t even understand what it is either. Of course that applies to most things they are outraged about. Especially how they call everything “woke.” They have no idea what that means.", ">\n\nThe College Board and Ron DeSantis deserve one another. The College Board is made up of greedy corporatist sycophants who will bend over for whomever will promise them a reliable market share and relevance. DeSantis, like all fascists, feeds on sycophancy, and can now boast that he made the pointy headed woke intellectuals back down. Of course, he did no such thing, but scarcely anyone will appreciate the difference.", ">\n\nProbably one of the only reasons why College Board did this is because Florida has an lot of Big Colleges and University.", ">\n\nDecent school systems should stop hosting College Board AP curriculum.", ">\n\nLarge university systems, like UC, should refuse to accept any high school AP credits from Florida students. Go to you alligator school & learn nothing there instead.", ">\n\nI hate that College Board's commodification of education has created cover to imagine that DeSantis has a point. I mean, let's be clear: he doesn't. This is just more culture war bullshit from a party that hates black people and education and so is attacking a point where they converge. The failings of College Board and its AP system have nothing to do with it, but now DeSantis and his retrograde supporters get to claim credit for the spotlight being shined on them.", ">\n\nTheir base equates African American studies with just bashing white people and nothing else, and Western Civilization studies supposedly only covers how great white people are.", ">\n\nI wonder who is going to put repelling the 14th Amendment as his Presidential campaign agenda first, Trump or DeSantis....", ">\n\nBoth are all about money, not so much what they claim to be about." ]

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[ "The hatred for Santos here in the district is white-hot. Finally boiled over yesterday with somebody vandalizing his office window with graffiti calling him a piece of shit in Greek, Spanish, and Mandarin." ]

[ "The hatred for Santos here in the district is white-hot. Finally boiled over yesterday with somebody vandalizing his office window with graffiti calling him a piece of shit in Greek, Spanish, and Mandarin.", ">\n\nAtleast he'll understand it. He speaks all languages" ]

[ "The hatred for Santos here in the district is white-hot. Finally boiled over yesterday with somebody vandalizing his office window with graffiti calling him a piece of shit in Greek, Spanish, and Mandarin.", ">\n\nAtleast he'll understand it. He speaks all languages", ">\n\nSantos is distracting everyone from the other shitty Republicans they put in the House in NY." ]

[ "The hatred for Santos here in the district is white-hot. Finally boiled over yesterday with somebody vandalizing his office window with graffiti calling him a piece of shit in Greek, Spanish, and Mandarin.", ">\n\nAtleast he'll understand it. He speaks all languages", ">\n\nSantos is distracting everyone from the other shitty Republicans they put in the House in NY.", ">\n\nConsidering Republicans and what they've been doing already (Trump, DeSantis, Marjorie Taylor Green, Babbit, etc...) I like him.\nRepublicans deserve all the bad press they can possibly muster. George does that. Besides he's the most harmless thing they've got yet the worst press they've been getting lately.\nI just find it too bad he resigned off his committees, and he's going to fade into the background. He should have stuck it out for the good of his party." ]

[ "The hatred for Santos here in the district is white-hot. Finally boiled over yesterday with somebody vandalizing his office window with graffiti calling him a piece of shit in Greek, Spanish, and Mandarin.", ">\n\nAtleast he'll understand it. He speaks all languages", ">\n\nSantos is distracting everyone from the other shitty Republicans they put in the House in NY.", ">\n\nConsidering Republicans and what they've been doing already (Trump, DeSantis, Marjorie Taylor Green, Babbit, etc...) I like him.\nRepublicans deserve all the bad press they can possibly muster. George does that. Besides he's the most harmless thing they've got yet the worst press they've been getting lately.\nI just find it too bad he resigned off his committees, and he's going to fade into the background. He should have stuck it out for the good of his party.", ">\n\nI think it’s scary, because his bumbling lies are distracting the media from covering the true evil that the other conservatives are trying to push.\nEdit: the reason why other conservatives have not really spoken out against him is probably in part that he distracts the media." ]

[ "The hatred for Santos here in the district is white-hot. Finally boiled over yesterday with somebody vandalizing his office window with graffiti calling him a piece of shit in Greek, Spanish, and Mandarin.", ">\n\nAtleast he'll understand it. He speaks all languages", ">\n\nSantos is distracting everyone from the other shitty Republicans they put in the House in NY.", ">\n\nConsidering Republicans and what they've been doing already (Trump, DeSantis, Marjorie Taylor Green, Babbit, etc...) I like him.\nRepublicans deserve all the bad press they can possibly muster. George does that. Besides he's the most harmless thing they've got yet the worst press they've been getting lately.\nI just find it too bad he resigned off his committees, and he's going to fade into the background. He should have stuck it out for the good of his party.", ">\n\nI think it’s scary, because his bumbling lies are distracting the media from covering the true evil that the other conservatives are trying to push.\nEdit: the reason why other conservatives have not really spoken out against him is probably in part that he distracts the media.", ">\n\nIn my opinion the scary part is that it appears it took the overturn of Roe vs Wade to prevent the Big Red Wave when we already had Jan6 and all the other despicable things the Republicans have been doing to threaten our Republic.\nIf people can't understand that although the overturn of Roe vs Wade is bad, losing our Republic would be much worse. Not only do you lose Roe vs Wade but you lose any and all freedoms you might have.\nGeorge Santos is a distraction, he's nowhere near as dangerous as Trump or DeSantis or their attempts to control and reverse elections. But somehow he has managed to probably cause Republicans more heartache than most of the horrendous and dangerous things they have said and done lately. So frankly if this is what it takes to turn voters against them, then I am all for it." ]

[ "The hatred for Santos here in the district is white-hot. Finally boiled over yesterday with somebody vandalizing his office window with graffiti calling him a piece of shit in Greek, Spanish, and Mandarin.", ">\n\nAtleast he'll understand it. He speaks all languages", ">\n\nSantos is distracting everyone from the other shitty Republicans they put in the House in NY.", ">\n\nConsidering Republicans and what they've been doing already (Trump, DeSantis, Marjorie Taylor Green, Babbit, etc...) I like him.\nRepublicans deserve all the bad press they can possibly muster. George does that. Besides he's the most harmless thing they've got yet the worst press they've been getting lately.\nI just find it too bad he resigned off his committees, and he's going to fade into the background. He should have stuck it out for the good of his party.", ">\n\nI think it’s scary, because his bumbling lies are distracting the media from covering the true evil that the other conservatives are trying to push.\nEdit: the reason why other conservatives have not really spoken out against him is probably in part that he distracts the media.", ">\n\nIn my opinion the scary part is that it appears it took the overturn of Roe vs Wade to prevent the Big Red Wave when we already had Jan6 and all the other despicable things the Republicans have been doing to threaten our Republic.\nIf people can't understand that although the overturn of Roe vs Wade is bad, losing our Republic would be much worse. Not only do you lose Roe vs Wade but you lose any and all freedoms you might have.\nGeorge Santos is a distraction, he's nowhere near as dangerous as Trump or DeSantis or their attempts to control and reverse elections. But somehow he has managed to probably cause Republicans more heartache than most of the horrendous and dangerous things they have said and done lately. So frankly if this is what it takes to turn voters against them, then I am all for it.", ">\n\nKevin McCarthy likes him!" ]

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[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?" ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?" ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more" ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump.", ">\n\nAnd this is fascist territory when the governemnt starts punishing private people (or businesses) for speaking their opinion. The right wing politiicians (including Desantis) are currently attacking Direct TV for making a strictly money driven move. Desantis is now dictating the courses colleges can teach. HIs minions are dictating what books can be in schools. We should all be in fear for democracy when this becomes acceptable. It's how they are destroyed from within." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump.", ">\n\nAnd this is fascist territory when the governemnt starts punishing private people (or businesses) for speaking their opinion. The right wing politiicians (including Desantis) are currently attacking Direct TV for making a strictly money driven move. Desantis is now dictating the courses colleges can teach. HIs minions are dictating what books can be in schools. We should all be in fear for democracy when this becomes acceptable. It's how they are destroyed from within.", ">\n\nDe Santis, I have not taken him seriously but I can imagine traitor trump will destroy him. So basically it will be like two walruses fighting on a beach and the old urine-soaked one will win. De Santis is not sold on his bullshit, he is just being paid. It will be interesting to see the vetting process now. traitor trump cannot run for president, he started an insurrection against the U.S." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump.", ">\n\nAnd this is fascist territory when the governemnt starts punishing private people (or businesses) for speaking their opinion. The right wing politiicians (including Desantis) are currently attacking Direct TV for making a strictly money driven move. Desantis is now dictating the courses colleges can teach. HIs minions are dictating what books can be in schools. We should all be in fear for democracy when this becomes acceptable. It's how they are destroyed from within.", ">\n\nDe Santis, I have not taken him seriously but I can imagine traitor trump will destroy him. So basically it will be like two walruses fighting on a beach and the old urine-soaked one will win. De Santis is not sold on his bullshit, he is just being paid. It will be interesting to see the vetting process now. traitor trump cannot run for president, he started an insurrection against the U.S.", ">\n\nThe difference is DeSantis is allowed to be a dictator in Florida. If he ever gets into the White House he will have push back from the Democrats." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump.", ">\n\nAnd this is fascist territory when the governemnt starts punishing private people (or businesses) for speaking their opinion. The right wing politiicians (including Desantis) are currently attacking Direct TV for making a strictly money driven move. Desantis is now dictating the courses colleges can teach. HIs minions are dictating what books can be in schools. We should all be in fear for democracy when this becomes acceptable. It's how they are destroyed from within.", ">\n\nDe Santis, I have not taken him seriously but I can imagine traitor trump will destroy him. So basically it will be like two walruses fighting on a beach and the old urine-soaked one will win. De Santis is not sold on his bullshit, he is just being paid. It will be interesting to see the vetting process now. traitor trump cannot run for president, he started an insurrection against the U.S.", ">\n\nThe difference is DeSantis is allowed to be a dictator in Florida. If he ever gets into the White House he will have push back from the Democrats.", ">\n\nAs a Floridian the one thing that strikes those who pay attention is that DeSantis (like Trump) has no interest in actually governing. Like Trump he really doesnt focus on doing things - just riling the base. \nEvery time he has a chance to tackle a problem (insurance most recently) he decides to I dont know attack transgender athletes …\nI am not a Trump fan at all but I can see how he could be funny and even give off warmth when he wanted to .. DeSantis just exudes petty dickishness …\nSo we may end up with all of the bad and none of the well not good but you all know what I mean …" ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump.", ">\n\nAnd this is fascist territory when the governemnt starts punishing private people (or businesses) for speaking their opinion. The right wing politiicians (including Desantis) are currently attacking Direct TV for making a strictly money driven move. Desantis is now dictating the courses colleges can teach. HIs minions are dictating what books can be in schools. We should all be in fear for democracy when this becomes acceptable. It's how they are destroyed from within.", ">\n\nDe Santis, I have not taken him seriously but I can imagine traitor trump will destroy him. So basically it will be like two walruses fighting on a beach and the old urine-soaked one will win. De Santis is not sold on his bullshit, he is just being paid. It will be interesting to see the vetting process now. traitor trump cannot run for president, he started an insurrection against the U.S.", ">\n\nThe difference is DeSantis is allowed to be a dictator in Florida. If he ever gets into the White House he will have push back from the Democrats.", ">\n\nAs a Floridian the one thing that strikes those who pay attention is that DeSantis (like Trump) has no interest in actually governing. Like Trump he really doesnt focus on doing things - just riling the base. \nEvery time he has a chance to tackle a problem (insurance most recently) he decides to I dont know attack transgender athletes …\nI am not a Trump fan at all but I can see how he could be funny and even give off warmth when he wanted to .. DeSantis just exudes petty dickishness …\nSo we may end up with all of the bad and none of the well not good but you all know what I mean …", ">\n\nHe is trump without any of the classic trumpisms that even people who hated him found funny in some dark part of their mind." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump.", ">\n\nAnd this is fascist territory when the governemnt starts punishing private people (or businesses) for speaking their opinion. The right wing politiicians (including Desantis) are currently attacking Direct TV for making a strictly money driven move. Desantis is now dictating the courses colleges can teach. HIs minions are dictating what books can be in schools. We should all be in fear for democracy when this becomes acceptable. It's how they are destroyed from within.", ">\n\nDe Santis, I have not taken him seriously but I can imagine traitor trump will destroy him. So basically it will be like two walruses fighting on a beach and the old urine-soaked one will win. De Santis is not sold on his bullshit, he is just being paid. It will be interesting to see the vetting process now. traitor trump cannot run for president, he started an insurrection against the U.S.", ">\n\nThe difference is DeSantis is allowed to be a dictator in Florida. If he ever gets into the White House he will have push back from the Democrats.", ">\n\nAs a Floridian the one thing that strikes those who pay attention is that DeSantis (like Trump) has no interest in actually governing. Like Trump he really doesnt focus on doing things - just riling the base. \nEvery time he has a chance to tackle a problem (insurance most recently) he decides to I dont know attack transgender athletes …\nI am not a Trump fan at all but I can see how he could be funny and even give off warmth when he wanted to .. DeSantis just exudes petty dickishness …\nSo we may end up with all of the bad and none of the well not good but you all know what I mean …", ">\n\nHe is trump without any of the classic trumpisms that even people who hated him found funny in some dark part of their mind.", ">\n\nDeSantis is more to the right than Trump the wacked bullshit he's pressing in Florida. I have a theory DeSantis is there to make Trump seem a bit more palatable." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump.", ">\n\nAnd this is fascist territory when the governemnt starts punishing private people (or businesses) for speaking their opinion. The right wing politiicians (including Desantis) are currently attacking Direct TV for making a strictly money driven move. Desantis is now dictating the courses colleges can teach. HIs minions are dictating what books can be in schools. We should all be in fear for democracy when this becomes acceptable. It's how they are destroyed from within.", ">\n\nDe Santis, I have not taken him seriously but I can imagine traitor trump will destroy him. So basically it will be like two walruses fighting on a beach and the old urine-soaked one will win. De Santis is not sold on his bullshit, he is just being paid. It will be interesting to see the vetting process now. traitor trump cannot run for president, he started an insurrection against the U.S.", ">\n\nThe difference is DeSantis is allowed to be a dictator in Florida. If he ever gets into the White House he will have push back from the Democrats.", ">\n\nAs a Floridian the one thing that strikes those who pay attention is that DeSantis (like Trump) has no interest in actually governing. Like Trump he really doesnt focus on doing things - just riling the base. \nEvery time he has a chance to tackle a problem (insurance most recently) he decides to I dont know attack transgender athletes …\nI am not a Trump fan at all but I can see how he could be funny and even give off warmth when he wanted to .. DeSantis just exudes petty dickishness …\nSo we may end up with all of the bad and none of the well not good but you all know what I mean …", ">\n\nHe is trump without any of the classic trumpisms that even people who hated him found funny in some dark part of their mind.", ">\n\nDeSantis is more to the right than Trump the wacked bullshit he's pressing in Florida. I have a theory DeSantis is there to make Trump seem a bit more palatable.", ">\n\nBelieving this could happen is like believing Dungeons and Dragons are real…ain’t gonna happen.." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump.", ">\n\nAnd this is fascist territory when the governemnt starts punishing private people (or businesses) for speaking their opinion. The right wing politiicians (including Desantis) are currently attacking Direct TV for making a strictly money driven move. Desantis is now dictating the courses colleges can teach. HIs minions are dictating what books can be in schools. We should all be in fear for democracy when this becomes acceptable. It's how they are destroyed from within.", ">\n\nDe Santis, I have not taken him seriously but I can imagine traitor trump will destroy him. So basically it will be like two walruses fighting on a beach and the old urine-soaked one will win. De Santis is not sold on his bullshit, he is just being paid. It will be interesting to see the vetting process now. traitor trump cannot run for president, he started an insurrection against the U.S.", ">\n\nThe difference is DeSantis is allowed to be a dictator in Florida. If he ever gets into the White House he will have push back from the Democrats.", ">\n\nAs a Floridian the one thing that strikes those who pay attention is that DeSantis (like Trump) has no interest in actually governing. Like Trump he really doesnt focus on doing things - just riling the base. \nEvery time he has a chance to tackle a problem (insurance most recently) he decides to I dont know attack transgender athletes …\nI am not a Trump fan at all but I can see how he could be funny and even give off warmth when he wanted to .. DeSantis just exudes petty dickishness …\nSo we may end up with all of the bad and none of the well not good but you all know what I mean …", ">\n\nHe is trump without any of the classic trumpisms that even people who hated him found funny in some dark part of their mind.", ">\n\nDeSantis is more to the right than Trump the wacked bullshit he's pressing in Florida. I have a theory DeSantis is there to make Trump seem a bit more palatable.", ">\n\nBelieving this could happen is like believing Dungeons and Dragons are real…ain’t gonna happen..", ">\n\nDungeons and Dragons is real. People play it all the time" ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump.", ">\n\nAnd this is fascist territory when the governemnt starts punishing private people (or businesses) for speaking their opinion. The right wing politiicians (including Desantis) are currently attacking Direct TV for making a strictly money driven move. Desantis is now dictating the courses colleges can teach. HIs minions are dictating what books can be in schools. We should all be in fear for democracy when this becomes acceptable. It's how they are destroyed from within.", ">\n\nDe Santis, I have not taken him seriously but I can imagine traitor trump will destroy him. So basically it will be like two walruses fighting on a beach and the old urine-soaked one will win. De Santis is not sold on his bullshit, he is just being paid. It will be interesting to see the vetting process now. traitor trump cannot run for president, he started an insurrection against the U.S.", ">\n\nThe difference is DeSantis is allowed to be a dictator in Florida. If he ever gets into the White House he will have push back from the Democrats.", ">\n\nAs a Floridian the one thing that strikes those who pay attention is that DeSantis (like Trump) has no interest in actually governing. Like Trump he really doesnt focus on doing things - just riling the base. \nEvery time he has a chance to tackle a problem (insurance most recently) he decides to I dont know attack transgender athletes …\nI am not a Trump fan at all but I can see how he could be funny and even give off warmth when he wanted to .. DeSantis just exudes petty dickishness …\nSo we may end up with all of the bad and none of the well not good but you all know what I mean …", ">\n\nHe is trump without any of the classic trumpisms that even people who hated him found funny in some dark part of their mind.", ">\n\nDeSantis is more to the right than Trump the wacked bullshit he's pressing in Florida. I have a theory DeSantis is there to make Trump seem a bit more palatable.", ">\n\nBelieving this could happen is like believing Dungeons and Dragons are real…ain’t gonna happen..", ">\n\nDungeons and Dragons is real. People play it all the time", ">\n\nShh…adults were talking.." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump.", ">\n\nAnd this is fascist territory when the governemnt starts punishing private people (or businesses) for speaking their opinion. The right wing politiicians (including Desantis) are currently attacking Direct TV for making a strictly money driven move. Desantis is now dictating the courses colleges can teach. HIs minions are dictating what books can be in schools. We should all be in fear for democracy when this becomes acceptable. It's how they are destroyed from within.", ">\n\nDe Santis, I have not taken him seriously but I can imagine traitor trump will destroy him. So basically it will be like two walruses fighting on a beach and the old urine-soaked one will win. De Santis is not sold on his bullshit, he is just being paid. It will be interesting to see the vetting process now. traitor trump cannot run for president, he started an insurrection against the U.S.", ">\n\nThe difference is DeSantis is allowed to be a dictator in Florida. If he ever gets into the White House he will have push back from the Democrats.", ">\n\nAs a Floridian the one thing that strikes those who pay attention is that DeSantis (like Trump) has no interest in actually governing. Like Trump he really doesnt focus on doing things - just riling the base. \nEvery time he has a chance to tackle a problem (insurance most recently) he decides to I dont know attack transgender athletes …\nI am not a Trump fan at all but I can see how he could be funny and even give off warmth when he wanted to .. DeSantis just exudes petty dickishness …\nSo we may end up with all of the bad and none of the well not good but you all know what I mean …", ">\n\nHe is trump without any of the classic trumpisms that even people who hated him found funny in some dark part of their mind.", ">\n\nDeSantis is more to the right than Trump the wacked bullshit he's pressing in Florida. I have a theory DeSantis is there to make Trump seem a bit more palatable.", ">\n\nBelieving this could happen is like believing Dungeons and Dragons are real…ain’t gonna happen..", ">\n\nDungeons and Dragons is real. People play it all the time", ">\n\nShh…adults were talking..", ">\n\nGov. DeSantis is an experienced executive and former military officer who understands how the U.S. Govt and Constitution work." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump.", ">\n\nAnd this is fascist territory when the governemnt starts punishing private people (or businesses) for speaking their opinion. The right wing politiicians (including Desantis) are currently attacking Direct TV for making a strictly money driven move. Desantis is now dictating the courses colleges can teach. HIs minions are dictating what books can be in schools. We should all be in fear for democracy when this becomes acceptable. It's how they are destroyed from within.", ">\n\nDe Santis, I have not taken him seriously but I can imagine traitor trump will destroy him. So basically it will be like two walruses fighting on a beach and the old urine-soaked one will win. De Santis is not sold on his bullshit, he is just being paid. It will be interesting to see the vetting process now. traitor trump cannot run for president, he started an insurrection against the U.S.", ">\n\nThe difference is DeSantis is allowed to be a dictator in Florida. If he ever gets into the White House he will have push back from the Democrats.", ">\n\nAs a Floridian the one thing that strikes those who pay attention is that DeSantis (like Trump) has no interest in actually governing. Like Trump he really doesnt focus on doing things - just riling the base. \nEvery time he has a chance to tackle a problem (insurance most recently) he decides to I dont know attack transgender athletes …\nI am not a Trump fan at all but I can see how he could be funny and even give off warmth when he wanted to .. DeSantis just exudes petty dickishness …\nSo we may end up with all of the bad and none of the well not good but you all know what I mean …", ">\n\nHe is trump without any of the classic trumpisms that even people who hated him found funny in some dark part of their mind.", ">\n\nDeSantis is more to the right than Trump the wacked bullshit he's pressing in Florida. I have a theory DeSantis is there to make Trump seem a bit more palatable.", ">\n\nBelieving this could happen is like believing Dungeons and Dragons are real…ain’t gonna happen..", ">\n\nDungeons and Dragons is real. People play it all the time", ">\n\nShh…adults were talking..", ">\n\nGov. DeSantis is an experienced executive and former military officer who understands how the U.S. Govt and Constitution work.", ">\n\nIt will be a nice change of pace for the Republican Nominee to understand how the U.S. Govt works\nThe last one was just some reality TV show star" ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump.", ">\n\nAnd this is fascist territory when the governemnt starts punishing private people (or businesses) for speaking their opinion. The right wing politiicians (including Desantis) are currently attacking Direct TV for making a strictly money driven move. Desantis is now dictating the courses colleges can teach. HIs minions are dictating what books can be in schools. We should all be in fear for democracy when this becomes acceptable. It's how they are destroyed from within.", ">\n\nDe Santis, I have not taken him seriously but I can imagine traitor trump will destroy him. So basically it will be like two walruses fighting on a beach and the old urine-soaked one will win. De Santis is not sold on his bullshit, he is just being paid. It will be interesting to see the vetting process now. traitor trump cannot run for president, he started an insurrection against the U.S.", ">\n\nThe difference is DeSantis is allowed to be a dictator in Florida. If he ever gets into the White House he will have push back from the Democrats.", ">\n\nAs a Floridian the one thing that strikes those who pay attention is that DeSantis (like Trump) has no interest in actually governing. Like Trump he really doesnt focus on doing things - just riling the base. \nEvery time he has a chance to tackle a problem (insurance most recently) he decides to I dont know attack transgender athletes …\nI am not a Trump fan at all but I can see how he could be funny and even give off warmth when he wanted to .. DeSantis just exudes petty dickishness …\nSo we may end up with all of the bad and none of the well not good but you all know what I mean …", ">\n\nHe is trump without any of the classic trumpisms that even people who hated him found funny in some dark part of their mind.", ">\n\nDeSantis is more to the right than Trump the wacked bullshit he's pressing in Florida. I have a theory DeSantis is there to make Trump seem a bit more palatable.", ">\n\nBelieving this could happen is like believing Dungeons and Dragons are real…ain’t gonna happen..", ">\n\nDungeons and Dragons is real. People play it all the time", ">\n\nShh…adults were talking..", ">\n\nGov. DeSantis is an experienced executive and former military officer who understands how the U.S. Govt and Constitution work.", ">\n\nIt will be a nice change of pace for the Republican Nominee to understand how the U.S. Govt works\nThe last one was just some reality TV show star", ">\n\nFirst, he needs to gather courage and be able to announce that he can run against Trump. After that comes his real battle to secure enough votes to beat Trump during the primary. If he can do that [which I do not believe], only then he can dream about the White House." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump.", ">\n\nAnd this is fascist territory when the governemnt starts punishing private people (or businesses) for speaking their opinion. The right wing politiicians (including Desantis) are currently attacking Direct TV for making a strictly money driven move. Desantis is now dictating the courses colleges can teach. HIs minions are dictating what books can be in schools. We should all be in fear for democracy when this becomes acceptable. It's how they are destroyed from within.", ">\n\nDe Santis, I have not taken him seriously but I can imagine traitor trump will destroy him. So basically it will be like two walruses fighting on a beach and the old urine-soaked one will win. De Santis is not sold on his bullshit, he is just being paid. It will be interesting to see the vetting process now. traitor trump cannot run for president, he started an insurrection against the U.S.", ">\n\nThe difference is DeSantis is allowed to be a dictator in Florida. If he ever gets into the White House he will have push back from the Democrats.", ">\n\nAs a Floridian the one thing that strikes those who pay attention is that DeSantis (like Trump) has no interest in actually governing. Like Trump he really doesnt focus on doing things - just riling the base. \nEvery time he has a chance to tackle a problem (insurance most recently) he decides to I dont know attack transgender athletes …\nI am not a Trump fan at all but I can see how he could be funny and even give off warmth when he wanted to .. DeSantis just exudes petty dickishness …\nSo we may end up with all of the bad and none of the well not good but you all know what I mean …", ">\n\nHe is trump without any of the classic trumpisms that even people who hated him found funny in some dark part of their mind.", ">\n\nDeSantis is more to the right than Trump the wacked bullshit he's pressing in Florida. I have a theory DeSantis is there to make Trump seem a bit more palatable.", ">\n\nBelieving this could happen is like believing Dungeons and Dragons are real…ain’t gonna happen..", ">\n\nDungeons and Dragons is real. People play it all the time", ">\n\nShh…adults were talking..", ">\n\nGov. DeSantis is an experienced executive and former military officer who understands how the U.S. Govt and Constitution work.", ">\n\nIt will be a nice change of pace for the Republican Nominee to understand how the U.S. Govt works\nThe last one was just some reality TV show star", ">\n\nFirst, he needs to gather courage and be able to announce that he can run against Trump. After that comes his real battle to secure enough votes to beat Trump during the primary. If he can do that [which I do not believe], only then he can dream about the White House.", ">\n\nThe policies of a Desantis administration would be far more effective and impactful with worse outcomes for those on the margins. The media and Americas political system will cover the admin cleanly it at least more traditionally than Trump so the average American will not understand the horrors being unleashed. There will be virtually no criticism of Desantis appointees and they will most likely have more bipartisan support than Trumps." ]

[ "DeSantis will be taken much more seriously than Trump when he is in office. He's basically a toned down more presentable version of Trump.", ">\n\nIs this actually true though? I understand that it’s in vogue to view him as a temperamentally moderate alternative, but his political positions aren’t substantially different. Would similar actions from his administration not receive similar coverage due to his milder communicative approach? I completely understand that Trump’s temperament was his own worst enemy, but I just don’t see how a substantial majority of the country would be on board with his Floridian posture on the culture war.\nMaybe it resonates nationally, I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem like a recipe for national success. My assessment of the modern Republican Party could be completely off base, but I see it as a party motivated by social grievances that will be perceived as extreme by a national audience. Abortion is an obvious example. I am 100% convinced that abortion rights will be a defining issue in this election cycle and I fundamentally don’t know what the winning Republican message on it is. A ban is deeply unpopular. Frankly, I think anything short of the Roe v Wade status quo will be a rough sell in 2024.", ">\n\nThe problem with trump was never his policies for the most part. It was his demeanor.", ">\n\nI disagree vehemently. I hated trump for what he was, but once he took office and tried banning brown people from entering the country he gave me another reason to hate him. His response to covid, which directly contributed to hundreds of thousands more American deaths than if he had kept his trap shut made me consider him a mass murderer. Yes, murderer. He knew what effect his words would have on his idiot constituents, but he didn’t care if they died following his lead on covid prevention measures. He only cared about his image. Then he tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator. Whether you choose to think of 1/6 that way is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains that this was his goal and he took direct action to make 1/6 happen and to hold back the response designed to stop it.\nTheres a lot of reasons to hate Trump and his demeanor is the least of them. I won’t permit someone to suggest that the only thing wrong with Trump is his optics. The man is a traitor responsible for the needless deaths of countless Americans. THAT is why he is hated.", ">\n\nPersonally I think the entire response to COVID was over blown. Forcing closures and lockdowns along with vaccine mandates. All this was going way too far. This type of restrictions should never happen in America.", ">\n\n1.1 million Americans have died of covid since we started tracking covid deaths. Lethality is between 1 and 2% among the unvaccinated. Theres 330 million people in the US. If the population remained unvaccinated and didn’t follow social distancing measures thats about 4 million dead Americans. Vaccines and social distancing have saved millions of lives. I dont see how that is weighted less than a temporary inconvenience in anyones mind. \nAnd thats really what it is. First of all there are no vaccine mandates in the US. Nobody has ever been forced to get vaccinated here. For a while, if you couldn’t prove you were vaccinated you wouldn’t be allowed into certain public spaces and businesses could deny you service. But that was all settled when republicans came down on the side of a bigoted baker denying gay customers a cake for their wedding so enjoy that taste of your own medicine.\nNow thats all over and nobody really seems to care much if you’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. The right was freaking out over being asked to do literally anything to prevent the spread of covid because being asked to do something they don’t want to do and being forced to do it are not distinguished in their mentalities. Being denied service because they couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine for the sake of themselves and everyone around them is the behavior of a spoiled brat who doesn’t think any limits should ever be applied to them.\nYou think we went too far on anti-covid measures? Thats literal American lives you would have been willing to spend just so you can eat at your favorite restaurant without having to wear a mask or get a vaccine. But sociopathic selfishness is essentially a requirement for being a conservative in the US so who’s really surprised?", ">\n\nI was literally forced to get the vaccine to keep my job. 5 weeks later was in the hospital with myocarditis and pericarditis they believe were related to the vaccine. The Biden administration pushed many corporations to require vaccinations. The government really crossed the line here. The approach that was taken in Sweden was a much more rational approach and had an overall better outcome in terms of deaths per millions.", ">\n\nWhy didn't you just quit your job and go get another one where there was no vaccine requirement? Sounds like you had to deal with the consequences of your own decisions.", ">\n\nIt was a tough decision. It's difficult to walk away from a 6 figure salary, especially when your close to having enough years for a full pension. I didn't know I was going to have a bad reaction to the vaccine.", ">\n\n\nIt was a tough decision.\n\nWait, it was a \"decision\"? I thought you said you were \"literally forced\" to get the vaccine. \nWhich one is it: were you literally forced to get vaccinated, or did you decide to get vaccinated?", ">\n\nTrump made every step he took a circus because of Twitter, that's what hyper engaged the public in every policy matter he took, remember people only engage in the nitty gritty of policymaking and everyday bureaucracy when it's flashy and easily digestible.\nEvery time Trump took a stance he would tweet, then we'd have a 24hr news circle on said policy, so the pubic was drawn into those discussions, but your average folk doesn't bother understanding bills or even stances if it's not compressed into 140 characters, \nI think DeSantis would follow suit with his predecessors in not tweeting his every thought and your average Joe will not keep up with his daily agenda thus giving him leeway to act on staunch right wing ideology,, especially is you look at the new republican maneuver of pushing thru their agenda disregarding precedent and constitutionality knowing it will just make it's way thru the courts and rest at the hands of SCOTUS for approval. \nTrump could of REALLY enshrined some crazy right wing beliefs in policy but he failed by tweeting and making everything a circus, remember how willing the house and Senate were to push the Trump agenda but he just made it SO difficult because his stream of consciousness would be held against Congressmen in press conferences beyond their ability to spin in? Republicans can spin ANYTHING, but not the absolute clownery that Trump would conjure up. \nIf DeSantis plays his cards rights and spins his ultra right wing policy by taking the podium and distracting from the substance of the bills, he can accomplish A LOT, remember any unconstitutional move will get blocked in the circuits, then fast tracked to SCOTUS.\nIn the house if McCarthy wants to just get sauced by \"I passed this\" speeches then he will need the right wings extremist in the causus to go along, so he will be more inclined to support extreme bills that they prefer.\nThe Senate will move in sync with the house because Republicans Senators are mostly just in the business of staying in office and since their terms are six years, they are more willing to pass a shitty bill just to get a 'win' because the public will long have forgotten it by the next election.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree any right wing unconstitutional move will be blocked by this SCOTUS. With this court, unconstitutional appears to be in the eye of the beholder.", ">\n\nI imagine a de DeSantis WH would be far more efficient and effective provided they win congress. De Santis has experience of running governmental institutions and has proved quite adept at using it to get results. Also think he would be able to win people over via the effectiveness of his policies in a way trump couldn't. Just look at how he has turned Florida red. He is simply a far more effective political operator.", ">\n\nThe biggest difference is that DeSantis will get to appoint everyone he needs because DeSantis has a better grasp of politics than Trump. DeSantis will be much more successful at using the executive office and federal government to achieve his culture war goals.\nLook at the quacks DeSantis surrounds himself with and puts in charge of Florida's health system. Now imagine that at a federal level. Getting vaccines or gender affirmative care will likely be nearly criminalized by the federal government under DeSantis' directive.\nAnd if DeSantis wins, he will likely take that as an approval of his anti LGBT policies, which means he'll only ramp it up even more in office. He will do anything to push for the jailing of transgender people, and push for cops to target LGBT people so the idea of coming out eventually means you are likely to be put on a sex offender registry.\nAnd lets not forget what he'll do to the department of education. America under DeSantis is Republicans culture war utopia.", ">\n\nThe Trump White House had a lot of Bush White House advisors hanging around. Pretty much no matter which Republican wins, if they do, policy will be the same. The only thing I could see different between the two is foreign policy. DeSantis is most likely to have all Neocon GOP establishment foreign policy advisors. Trump at least rhetorically was sometimes more isolationist, but in practice his White House was pretty much what you would’ve seen if Romney had become President or McCain.", ">\n\nTrump cares about Trump. There are no policy agendas Trump actually cares about. Trump spent every day in front combating cable news narrative. Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly wrote about it in his book. \nKelly says in his book that when he was Sec of DHS he (Kelly) thought the dysfunction of the White House was the result of bad personnel choices. Then when Kelly became Chief of Staff he realized the problem was Trump. Kelly says he literally learned that in order to predict what issues Trump would care about each day one has to watch Fox & Friends and Morning Joe. That Trump's actions day to day were always a response to those shows and Trump never thought more than one day in advance. \nNot being ideological enabled Trump to stay dynamic and never get stuck in or on anything. After Trump's healthcare push failed in the Senate he just moved on zero F's given. After the longest shutdown in history failed to result in anything Trump just moved on zero F's given. Trump never actually cared about anything that did or didn't happen. Trump only ever cared about how things were covered by TV media. \nDeSantis definitely has a taste for theatrics and isn't afraid to waste people's time and govts money on political stunts. However DeSantis appears to actually want to win the battles he engages in. Trump never did. It is what kept Trump slippery. Nothing ever mattered. \nIn my opinion DeSantis would be a stupider Bush. DeSantis would get hung up working to get bad ideas passed into law. DeSantis would get marred down by the details of bad policies.", ">\n\nTrump could not find enough camera to jump in front of and talk to the press where DeSantis would ignore the press a lot more", ">\n\nA DeSantis administration would be more competent and less prone to gaffes and the high level of cabinet turnover seen in the Trump administration.", ">\n\nNot buy much. I don't know why people keep pitching him as the more rational and smarter trump when he clearly isn't.\nHe isn't as big of a celebrity as trump so you won't have that theatrical shtick trump has but in terms of demagoguery, the instigating of hate, the fueling of nationalism and extremism, extremely conservative policies, the antagonizing of minority groups, will persist and probably be even worse because it is more like a Chapter 2 of the maga movement.", ">\n\nI presume the main differences would be that DeSantis is not going to try and get rid of every accomplishment Obama had for the sake of it. He does not engage in Twitter storms over various subjects. And that he does not, AFAIK, have any connections with Russia. \nHis feud with Disney also suggests that he’s open to fighting corporations and any special status they have regarding taxes, though its all motivated by culture war stuff. \nI don’t see much else to differentiate him from Trump.", ">\n\nAnd this is fascist territory when the governemnt starts punishing private people (or businesses) for speaking their opinion. The right wing politiicians (including Desantis) are currently attacking Direct TV for making a strictly money driven move. Desantis is now dictating the courses colleges can teach. HIs minions are dictating what books can be in schools. We should all be in fear for democracy when this becomes acceptable. It's how they are destroyed from within.", ">\n\nDe Santis, I have not taken him seriously but I can imagine traitor trump will destroy him. So basically it will be like two walruses fighting on a beach and the old urine-soaked one will win. De Santis is not sold on his bullshit, he is just being paid. It will be interesting to see the vetting process now. traitor trump cannot run for president, he started an insurrection against the U.S.", ">\n\nThe difference is DeSantis is allowed to be a dictator in Florida. If he ever gets into the White House he will have push back from the Democrats.", ">\n\nAs a Floridian the one thing that strikes those who pay attention is that DeSantis (like Trump) has no interest in actually governing. Like Trump he really doesnt focus on doing things - just riling the base. \nEvery time he has a chance to tackle a problem (insurance most recently) he decides to I dont know attack transgender athletes …\nI am not a Trump fan at all but I can see how he could be funny and even give off warmth when he wanted to .. DeSantis just exudes petty dickishness …\nSo we may end up with all of the bad and none of the well not good but you all know what I mean …", ">\n\nHe is trump without any of the classic trumpisms that even people who hated him found funny in some dark part of their mind.", ">\n\nDeSantis is more to the right than Trump the wacked bullshit he's pressing in Florida. I have a theory DeSantis is there to make Trump seem a bit more palatable.", ">\n\nBelieving this could happen is like believing Dungeons and Dragons are real…ain’t gonna happen..", ">\n\nDungeons and Dragons is real. People play it all the time", ">\n\nShh…adults were talking..", ">\n\nGov. DeSantis is an experienced executive and former military officer who understands how the U.S. Govt and Constitution work.", ">\n\nIt will be a nice change of pace for the Republican Nominee to understand how the U.S. Govt works\nThe last one was just some reality TV show star", ">\n\nFirst, he needs to gather courage and be able to announce that he can run against Trump. After that comes his real battle to secure enough votes to beat Trump during the primary. If he can do that [which I do not believe], only then he can dream about the White House.", ">\n\nThe policies of a Desantis administration would be far more effective and impactful with worse outcomes for those on the margins. The media and Americas political system will cover the admin cleanly it at least more traditionally than Trump so the average American will not understand the horrors being unleashed. There will be virtually no criticism of Desantis appointees and they will most likely have more bipartisan support than Trumps.", ">\n\nSomeone told me that having a protate removed gets you..........sex, without the mess.\nI would think the same way with the 2 administrations.\nThey would be the same.........or close to it. But, without the Trump ATTITUDE.\nHell, DeSantis could run his campaign with the slogan........... \"Almost Trump - without the attitude\"" ]

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[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people.", ">\n\n“We’re all a little weird and life’s a little weird; so, when you finally find someone who’s weirdness is compatible with your’s, you fall into mutual wired mess and call it love.” -Dr. Seuss" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people.", ">\n\n“We’re all a little weird and life’s a little weird; so, when you finally find someone who’s weirdness is compatible with your’s, you fall into mutual wired mess and call it love.” -Dr. Seuss", ">\n\nDr Seuss is about the last mf to be talking about love" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people.", ">\n\n“We’re all a little weird and life’s a little weird; so, when you finally find someone who’s weirdness is compatible with your’s, you fall into mutual wired mess and call it love.” -Dr. Seuss", ">\n\nDr Seuss is about the last mf to be talking about love", ">\n\nEnlighten me, please" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people.", ">\n\n“We’re all a little weird and life’s a little weird; so, when you finally find someone who’s weirdness is compatible with your’s, you fall into mutual wired mess and call it love.” -Dr. Seuss", ">\n\nDr Seuss is about the last mf to be talking about love", ">\n\nEnlighten me, please", ">\n\nCheated on his wife when she had terminal cancer" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people.", ">\n\n“We’re all a little weird and life’s a little weird; so, when you finally find someone who’s weirdness is compatible with your’s, you fall into mutual wired mess and call it love.” -Dr. Seuss", ">\n\nDr Seuss is about the last mf to be talking about love", ">\n\nEnlighten me, please", ">\n\nCheated on his wife when she had terminal cancer", ">\n\nAaaand then she killed herself" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people.", ">\n\n“We’re all a little weird and life’s a little weird; so, when you finally find someone who’s weirdness is compatible with your’s, you fall into mutual wired mess and call it love.” -Dr. Seuss", ">\n\nDr Seuss is about the last mf to be talking about love", ">\n\nEnlighten me, please", ">\n\nCheated on his wife when she had terminal cancer", ">\n\nAaaand then she killed herself", ">\n\nWith the cancer, or did she find another way?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people.", ">\n\n“We’re all a little weird and life’s a little weird; so, when you finally find someone who’s weirdness is compatible with your’s, you fall into mutual wired mess and call it love.” -Dr. Seuss", ">\n\nDr Seuss is about the last mf to be talking about love", ">\n\nEnlighten me, please", ">\n\nCheated on his wife when she had terminal cancer", ">\n\nAaaand then she killed herself", ">\n\nWith the cancer, or did she find another way?", ">\n\nOD'ed on barbiturates" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people.", ">\n\n“We’re all a little weird and life’s a little weird; so, when you finally find someone who’s weirdness is compatible with your’s, you fall into mutual wired mess and call it love.” -Dr. Seuss", ">\n\nDr Seuss is about the last mf to be talking about love", ">\n\nEnlighten me, please", ">\n\nCheated on his wife when she had terminal cancer", ">\n\nAaaand then she killed herself", ">\n\nWith the cancer, or did she find another way?", ">\n\nOD'ed on barbiturates", ">\n\nJust today we had a party for my son's 4th. There was a woman there I've never met, a mother of a Kinder friend. She seemed shy, a little awkward and unsure of how to be. But when I told her how much my kid talked about her kid and how good friends they were, she blossomed with joy. It seemed so important to her for her daughter to be liked. I spent some time with her chatting about our kids and she really opened up. \nI really appreciated her coming to a new and unfamiliar place, outside of her comfort zone just so her kid could celebrate with my son. It was so nice for her to be present, even if she was socially awkward. She's a good person and a good mum" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people.", ">\n\n“We’re all a little weird and life’s a little weird; so, when you finally find someone who’s weirdness is compatible with your’s, you fall into mutual wired mess and call it love.” -Dr. Seuss", ">\n\nDr Seuss is about the last mf to be talking about love", ">\n\nEnlighten me, please", ">\n\nCheated on his wife when she had terminal cancer", ">\n\nAaaand then she killed herself", ">\n\nWith the cancer, or did she find another way?", ">\n\nOD'ed on barbiturates", ">\n\nJust today we had a party for my son's 4th. There was a woman there I've never met, a mother of a Kinder friend. She seemed shy, a little awkward and unsure of how to be. But when I told her how much my kid talked about her kid and how good friends they were, she blossomed with joy. It seemed so important to her for her daughter to be liked. I spent some time with her chatting about our kids and she really opened up. \nI really appreciated her coming to a new and unfamiliar place, outside of her comfort zone just so her kid could celebrate with my son. It was so nice for her to be present, even if she was socially awkward. She's a good person and a good mum", ">\n\nDon't jump to conclusions based on one conversation. She might drink baby blood." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people.", ">\n\n“We’re all a little weird and life’s a little weird; so, when you finally find someone who’s weirdness is compatible with your’s, you fall into mutual wired mess and call it love.” -Dr. Seuss", ">\n\nDr Seuss is about the last mf to be talking about love", ">\n\nEnlighten me, please", ">\n\nCheated on his wife when she had terminal cancer", ">\n\nAaaand then she killed herself", ">\n\nWith the cancer, or did she find another way?", ">\n\nOD'ed on barbiturates", ">\n\nJust today we had a party for my son's 4th. There was a woman there I've never met, a mother of a Kinder friend. She seemed shy, a little awkward and unsure of how to be. But when I told her how much my kid talked about her kid and how good friends they were, she blossomed with joy. It seemed so important to her for her daughter to be liked. I spent some time with her chatting about our kids and she really opened up. \nI really appreciated her coming to a new and unfamiliar place, outside of her comfort zone just so her kid could celebrate with my son. It was so nice for her to be present, even if she was socially awkward. She's a good person and a good mum", ">\n\nDon't jump to conclusions based on one conversation. She might drink baby blood.", ">\n\nThat would explain her youthful looks and the hungry way she looked at my other, fatter son" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people.", ">\n\n“We’re all a little weird and life’s a little weird; so, when you finally find someone who’s weirdness is compatible with your’s, you fall into mutual wired mess and call it love.” -Dr. Seuss", ">\n\nDr Seuss is about the last mf to be talking about love", ">\n\nEnlighten me, please", ">\n\nCheated on his wife when she had terminal cancer", ">\n\nAaaand then she killed herself", ">\n\nWith the cancer, or did she find another way?", ">\n\nOD'ed on barbiturates", ">\n\nJust today we had a party for my son's 4th. There was a woman there I've never met, a mother of a Kinder friend. She seemed shy, a little awkward and unsure of how to be. But when I told her how much my kid talked about her kid and how good friends they were, she blossomed with joy. It seemed so important to her for her daughter to be liked. I spent some time with her chatting about our kids and she really opened up. \nI really appreciated her coming to a new and unfamiliar place, outside of her comfort zone just so her kid could celebrate with my son. It was so nice for her to be present, even if she was socially awkward. She's a good person and a good mum", ">\n\nDon't jump to conclusions based on one conversation. She might drink baby blood.", ">\n\nThat would explain her youthful looks and the hungry way she looked at my other, fatter son", ">\n\nThere's a difference between \"dorky innocent\" weird and \"I wouldn't want to be alone in a room with this person\" weird. Don't be the latter. The latter is a creep. Be the former. The former excudes good intentions.\nEdit: y'all are asking me to define what a creep is. A creep is someone who does not exude good intentions. They're someone that I feel unsafe around for various reasons including but not limited to the content of their speech, their temper, and their lack of respect for boundaries. Like Jeffrey Dahmer. Hope that helps." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people.", ">\n\n“We’re all a little weird and life’s a little weird; so, when you finally find someone who’s weirdness is compatible with your’s, you fall into mutual wired mess and call it love.” -Dr. Seuss", ">\n\nDr Seuss is about the last mf to be talking about love", ">\n\nEnlighten me, please", ">\n\nCheated on his wife when she had terminal cancer", ">\n\nAaaand then she killed herself", ">\n\nWith the cancer, or did she find another way?", ">\n\nOD'ed on barbiturates", ">\n\nJust today we had a party for my son's 4th. There was a woman there I've never met, a mother of a Kinder friend. She seemed shy, a little awkward and unsure of how to be. But when I told her how much my kid talked about her kid and how good friends they were, she blossomed with joy. It seemed so important to her for her daughter to be liked. I spent some time with her chatting about our kids and she really opened up. \nI really appreciated her coming to a new and unfamiliar place, outside of her comfort zone just so her kid could celebrate with my son. It was so nice for her to be present, even if she was socially awkward. She's a good person and a good mum", ">\n\nDon't jump to conclusions based on one conversation. She might drink baby blood.", ">\n\nThat would explain her youthful looks and the hungry way she looked at my other, fatter son", ">\n\nThere's a difference between \"dorky innocent\" weird and \"I wouldn't want to be alone in a room with this person\" weird. Don't be the latter. The latter is a creep. Be the former. The former excudes good intentions.\nEdit: y'all are asking me to define what a creep is. A creep is someone who does not exude good intentions. They're someone that I feel unsafe around for various reasons including but not limited to the content of their speech, their temper, and their lack of respect for boundaries. Like Jeffrey Dahmer. Hope that helps.", ">\n\nI think this isn't particularly helpful advice because it says \"don't exist in a way that makes people feel uncomfortable. Existing this way makes you the bad thing\" without explaining what the bad thing is.\nIt would probably be better to say something like don't act towards people in a way that makes it seem like/comes from a place from where (you feel like) they owe you something such as their time, physical presence, or attention, affection, emotional labor, etc. Also don't act in a way that overtly or implicitly denies someone else's value or personhood. Try to see and communicate with people as human beings and not as representative of some reductive idea such as \"betas\", \"chads\", \"liberal/conservative\", or \"woman that if I'm nice enough to they'll give me romantic/sexual attention\". If someone tells you something is off limits for them, listen. If your friend say something you do makes them or others uncomfortable, listen. Some grace will be given to you if you're showing you're learning.\nIf you're telling people that they don't matter because X Y and Z or that they are naturally prone to this inadequacy because of A B C then you're a jerk. If you're making thinly veiled references to hurting people, exploding in a rage, or making overt threats don't expect folks to be around you for long.\nHope this captures your thoughts in more detail." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people.", ">\n\n“We’re all a little weird and life’s a little weird; so, when you finally find someone who’s weirdness is compatible with your’s, you fall into mutual wired mess and call it love.” -Dr. Seuss", ">\n\nDr Seuss is about the last mf to be talking about love", ">\n\nEnlighten me, please", ">\n\nCheated on his wife when she had terminal cancer", ">\n\nAaaand then she killed herself", ">\n\nWith the cancer, or did she find another way?", ">\n\nOD'ed on barbiturates", ">\n\nJust today we had a party for my son's 4th. There was a woman there I've never met, a mother of a Kinder friend. She seemed shy, a little awkward and unsure of how to be. But when I told her how much my kid talked about her kid and how good friends they were, she blossomed with joy. It seemed so important to her for her daughter to be liked. I spent some time with her chatting about our kids and she really opened up. \nI really appreciated her coming to a new and unfamiliar place, outside of her comfort zone just so her kid could celebrate with my son. It was so nice for her to be present, even if she was socially awkward. She's a good person and a good mum", ">\n\nDon't jump to conclusions based on one conversation. She might drink baby blood.", ">\n\nThat would explain her youthful looks and the hungry way she looked at my other, fatter son", ">\n\nThere's a difference between \"dorky innocent\" weird and \"I wouldn't want to be alone in a room with this person\" weird. Don't be the latter. The latter is a creep. Be the former. The former excudes good intentions.\nEdit: y'all are asking me to define what a creep is. A creep is someone who does not exude good intentions. They're someone that I feel unsafe around for various reasons including but not limited to the content of their speech, their temper, and their lack of respect for boundaries. Like Jeffrey Dahmer. Hope that helps.", ">\n\nI think this isn't particularly helpful advice because it says \"don't exist in a way that makes people feel uncomfortable. Existing this way makes you the bad thing\" without explaining what the bad thing is.\nIt would probably be better to say something like don't act towards people in a way that makes it seem like/comes from a place from where (you feel like) they owe you something such as their time, physical presence, or attention, affection, emotional labor, etc. Also don't act in a way that overtly or implicitly denies someone else's value or personhood. Try to see and communicate with people as human beings and not as representative of some reductive idea such as \"betas\", \"chads\", \"liberal/conservative\", or \"woman that if I'm nice enough to they'll give me romantic/sexual attention\". If someone tells you something is off limits for them, listen. If your friend say something you do makes them or others uncomfortable, listen. Some grace will be given to you if you're showing you're learning.\nIf you're telling people that they don't matter because X Y and Z or that they are naturally prone to this inadequacy because of A B C then you're a jerk. If you're making thinly veiled references to hurting people, exploding in a rage, or making overt threats don't expect folks to be around you for long.\nHope this captures your thoughts in more detail.", ">\n\nSee one of the problems is that you can find someone creepy without being able to pinpoint why. Humans are very good at sensing when something is off, hence the existence of the uncanny valley" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nI have spent years, YEARS, learning to be social and normal, using correct body language, not turning bright red and sweating when talking to people...speech classes, non verbal communication, acting classes, psychology, sociology, social psychology....but F when I think it's going okay and someone tells me Log is just to much, is too friendly, is trying to hard - it makes my heart hurt. \nYes, I am trying...every damn day- because I became tired of sitting in my house paralyzed with social phobia...ugh. Those mean comments make me want to crawl back in my hole.\nThose few kind people - Those few patient empathic people I've met along my journey make all the work worth it. \nKeep at it - even when it hurts.\n\nThank you all for the upvotes, thoughtful opinions, empathy, personal stories, and sharing!", ">\n\nIn my experience when people say “too friendly” or “trying too hard” they usually mean “doesn’t respect my boundaries” even if they don’t know how to articulate it and even if they haven’t communicated those boundaries. Sometimes they’re framing things this way in an effort to be nice. Sometimes they’re mean because it doesn’t feel good to them and they lack the skill to communicate what they need.", ">\n\nYeah, there are a lot of people in this thread who are basically saying 'other people should have far more social grace than I do, and if they fail at the difficult social test I'm putting them through, they're mean.' despite the fact that the people expecting the social grace would fail the same test.", ">\n\nIt seems by the standard of this thread I'm a terrible person, if I'm with a group of people and one of them is sweaty and sits too close and keeps asking awkward questions or is trying too hard to keep my attention then I'm gonna be uncomfortable and want out of that situation.\nI'm gonna try my best to not be a dick but it's not my responsibility to make up for someones social ineptitude.", ">\n\nTrue. My partner is very similar to me in that they will get very intense when meeting new people. He gets a little drilling 20 questions, and I will nervously talk about random topics (Let me give you a 30-minute history lesson about my dogs breed.). We've developed hand signals to settle down.\nHire us for your parties - We will bring that awkward and uncomfortable vibe.", ">\n\nIf this is true then there aren't many good people that my weird ass meets", ">\n\nIt's not, it's just idealistic thought that mostly works if you put yourself into main character-esque role. It's doesn't matter if they're good or not, you can't expect people to just adapt to your lack of skill and accept you into their circles unconditionally. In reality if you believe they are good people you can probably solve it way better by just communicating your lack of skill somehow.", ">\n\nYeah this is very situation dependent. \nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\nI get 2 evenings off per week, and probably go out to have fun two evenings a month, I don't owe strangers my time on those nights if I find them weird or off-putting.", ">\n\n\nIf I'm at a bar with a couple friends and a stranger comes up and is acting weird I'm not going to acknowledge their attempt to socialise, I'm going to either move on or ask them to leave.\n\nYeah, most people are like this. Not having time is one thing, but they talk about it like they're somehow better than the \"weird\" people. It's like a badge of honor for them to turn their nose up at someone and say \"you are so undeserving of my time that I'm not even going to acknowledge that you tried.\"\nI always have to be the one to welcome them into the conversation, and sure enough, after a few minutes everyone realizes they're not so weird after all, they were just having trouble expressing themselves. Occasionally we end up being friends.\nAnyway, I recognize your effort to communicate your honest opinion. And your lack of basic human respect is sickening.", ">\n\nHahaha wtf are you on about.", ">\n\nYou make me sick. Does that make sense, or do I need to dumb it down further?", ">\n\nThe way you speak to people speaks to a horrible inhumanity in yourself.\nHow you can sleep at night with such vitriol in your twisted heart that you'd say that to someone you barely know I'll never be able to comprehend.\nHang your head in shame.", ">\n\nLol idk why you thought I would care about the opinion of some weirdo. Go hang out with your friends at the bar.", ">\n\nHaha I'm only winding you up mate, I'm sure your a nice bloke.", ">\n\nI wish I could say the same for you.", ">\n\nIt has less to do with being good and more with the social skills of the recipient of said efforts", ">\n\nI was about to say the same thing. People who have good social skills generally know how to adapt and interact with all sorts of people.\nPeople with lower level social skills tend to either have difficulty reading others and how to respond in turn or only know how to interact with only one type of person. Teenagers often go through a phase of being uncomfortable with anyone outside their social circle not because they're stuck up, but because they lack confidence due to underdeveloped social skills.", ">\n\nFresh lesson from just the other day, don't try to adopt or appease strangers too much. There's a limit. Stranger on the plane was telling me about taxi drivers and how they rip him off, and I decided to play along. I was like \"yeah man it happened to me the other day\" then he proceeded to loudly explain how he carries fake dollar bills so he can defraud them when he goes to impoverished countries. Everyone was looking at both of us like assholes, like I was in cahoots with him.", ">\n\nI see what you mean and how you interpreted my words. To clarify, adapting doesn't mean agreeing with someone. It's more about adapting your level of communication. Perhaps you need to use simpler language, perhaps the person is very extraverted and you can mirror their energy, maybe the other person is a little shy and anxious, so you use a calmer tone with them. That sort of thing.", ">\n\n\nand you can mirror their energy \nthe person is very extroverted \n\nMy social battery went straight to 0 (╯°□°）╯", ">\n\nAs an introvert, maintaining the social battery drain while acting extroverted is a skill many can learn.\nI just view it as a game/task with rules and conditions and it helps me.", ">\n\nGood people can lack situational awareness. Doesnt stop them from being good people.", ">\n\n“We’re all a little weird and life’s a little weird; so, when you finally find someone who’s weirdness is compatible with your’s, you fall into mutual wired mess and call it love.” -Dr. Seuss", ">\n\nDr Seuss is about the last mf to be talking about love", ">\n\nEnlighten me, please", ">\n\nCheated on his wife when she had terminal cancer", ">\n\nAaaand then she killed herself", ">\n\nWith the cancer, or did she find another way?", ">\n\nOD'ed on barbiturates", ">\n\nJust today we had a party for my son's 4th. There was a woman there I've never met, a mother of a Kinder friend. She seemed shy, a little awkward and unsure of how to be. But when I told her how much my kid talked about her kid and how good friends they were, she blossomed with joy. It seemed so important to her for her daughter to be liked. I spent some time with her chatting about our kids and she really opened up. \nI really appreciated her coming to a new and unfamiliar place, outside of her comfort zone just so her kid could celebrate with my son. It was so nice for her to be present, even if she was socially awkward. She's a good person and a good mum", ">\n\nDon't jump to conclusions based on one conversation. She might drink baby blood.", ">\n\nThat would explain her youthful looks and the hungry way she looked at my other, fatter son", ">\n\nThere's a difference between \"dorky innocent\" weird and \"I wouldn't want to be alone in a room with this person\" weird. Don't be the latter. The latter is a creep. Be the former. The former excudes good intentions.\nEdit: y'all are asking me to define what a creep is. A creep is someone who does not exude good intentions. They're someone that I feel unsafe around for various reasons including but not limited to the content of their speech, their temper, and their lack of respect for boundaries. Like Jeffrey Dahmer. Hope that helps.", ">\n\nI think this isn't particularly helpful advice because it says \"don't exist in a way that makes people feel uncomfortable. Existing this way makes you the bad thing\" without explaining what the bad thing is.\nIt would probably be better to say something like don't act towards people in a way that makes it seem like/comes from a place from where (you feel like) they owe you something such as their time, physical presence, or attention, affection, emotional labor, etc. Also don't act in a way that overtly or implicitly denies someone else's value or personhood. Try to see and communicate with people as human beings and not as representative of some reductive idea such as \"betas\", \"chads\", \"liberal/conservative\", or \"woman that if I'm nice enough to they'll give me romantic/sexual attention\". If someone tells you something is off limits for them, listen. If your friend say something you do makes them or others uncomfortable, listen. Some grace will be given to you if you're showing you're learning.\nIf you're telling people that they don't matter because X Y and Z or that they are naturally prone to this inadequacy because of A B C then you're a jerk. If you're making thinly veiled references to hurting people, exploding in a rage, or making overt threats don't expect folks to be around you for long.\nHope this captures your thoughts in more detail.", ">\n\nSee one of the problems is that you can find someone creepy without being able to pinpoint why. Humans are very good at sensing when something is off, hence the existence of the uncanny valley", ">\n\n\nHumans are very good at sensing when something is off, hence the existence of the uncanny valley\n\nSource?\nWhat I find on wikipedia:\n\nIn aesthetics, the uncanny valley (Japanese: 不気味の谷, romanized: bukimi no tani) is a hypothesized relation between an object's degree of resemblance to a human being and the emotional response to the object.\n\nResponse in regards to degree of physical human resemblance doesn't seem related to being good at sensing when something is off in general?\nI'd instead be inclined to believe that we'd be biased to make mistakes in judgement of character when a stranger physically looks unusual/not-as-expected/\"uncanny\".\nThere are other criticisms on wikipedia.\nDo you have reasons to believe your more general version, and can you share them? I'd like to learn more about this if so." ]