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[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?" ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym" ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"" ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?" ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me" ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility.", ">\n\nFederal Government: we are concerned about parents talking about killing LGBTQ kids and making other violent threats.\nJim Jordan: how dare you!" ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility.", ">\n\nFederal Government: we are concerned about parents talking about killing LGBTQ kids and making other violent threats.\nJim Jordan: how dare you!", ">\n\nIgnore all subpoenas stop giving this attention" ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility.", ">\n\nFederal Government: we are concerned about parents talking about killing LGBTQ kids and making other violent threats.\nJim Jordan: how dare you!", ">\n\nIgnore all subpoenas stop giving this attention", ">\n\nShotgun oversight. Try to stir up enough trouble and hope that something sticks." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility.", ">\n\nFederal Government: we are concerned about parents talking about killing LGBTQ kids and making other violent threats.\nJim Jordan: how dare you!", ">\n\nIgnore all subpoenas stop giving this attention", ">\n\nShotgun oversight. Try to stir up enough trouble and hope that something sticks.", ">\n\nThis just might be worth subscribing to C-Span" ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility.", ">\n\nFederal Government: we are concerned about parents talking about killing LGBTQ kids and making other violent threats.\nJim Jordan: how dare you!", ">\n\nIgnore all subpoenas stop giving this attention", ">\n\nShotgun oversight. Try to stir up enough trouble and hope that something sticks.", ">\n\nThis just might be worth subscribing to C-Span", ">\n\nFucking ass-clown." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility.", ">\n\nFederal Government: we are concerned about parents talking about killing LGBTQ kids and making other violent threats.\nJim Jordan: how dare you!", ">\n\nIgnore all subpoenas stop giving this attention", ">\n\nShotgun oversight. Try to stir up enough trouble and hope that something sticks.", ">\n\nThis just might be worth subscribing to C-Span", ">\n\nFucking ass-clown.", ">\n\n\nFucking ass-clown.\n\nHow did you get access to Jordan's search history?" ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility.", ">\n\nFederal Government: we are concerned about parents talking about killing LGBTQ kids and making other violent threats.\nJim Jordan: how dare you!", ">\n\nIgnore all subpoenas stop giving this attention", ">\n\nShotgun oversight. Try to stir up enough trouble and hope that something sticks.", ">\n\nThis just might be worth subscribing to C-Span", ">\n\nFucking ass-clown.", ">\n\n\nFucking ass-clown.\n\nHow did you get access to Jordan's search history?", ">\n\n\nGarland formed a task force in October 2021 to address the increased threats, saying in a memorandum that there had been a “disturbing spike in harassment, intimidation and threats of violence against school administrators, board members, teachers and staff who participate in the vital work of running our nation’s public schools.”" ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility.", ">\n\nFederal Government: we are concerned about parents talking about killing LGBTQ kids and making other violent threats.\nJim Jordan: how dare you!", ">\n\nIgnore all subpoenas stop giving this attention", ">\n\nShotgun oversight. Try to stir up enough trouble and hope that something sticks.", ">\n\nThis just might be worth subscribing to C-Span", ">\n\nFucking ass-clown.", ">\n\n\nFucking ass-clown.\n\nHow did you get access to Jordan's search history?", ">\n\n\nGarland formed a task force in October 2021 to address the increased threats, saying in a memorandum that there had been a “disturbing spike in harassment, intimidation and threats of violence against school administrators, board members, teachers and staff who participate in the vital work of running our nation’s public schools.”", ">\n\nYeah why don’t they just ignore all the subpoenas the way that Trump and Company did?" ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility.", ">\n\nFederal Government: we are concerned about parents talking about killing LGBTQ kids and making other violent threats.\nJim Jordan: how dare you!", ">\n\nIgnore all subpoenas stop giving this attention", ">\n\nShotgun oversight. Try to stir up enough trouble and hope that something sticks.", ">\n\nThis just might be worth subscribing to C-Span", ">\n\nFucking ass-clown.", ">\n\n\nFucking ass-clown.\n\nHow did you get access to Jordan's search history?", ">\n\n\nGarland formed a task force in October 2021 to address the increased threats, saying in a memorandum that there had been a “disturbing spike in harassment, intimidation and threats of violence against school administrators, board members, teachers and staff who participate in the vital work of running our nation’s public schools.”", ">\n\nYeah why don’t they just ignore all the subpoenas the way that Trump and Company did?", ">\n\nWell they havent sooo nothing to turn over eh" ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility.", ">\n\nFederal Government: we are concerned about parents talking about killing LGBTQ kids and making other violent threats.\nJim Jordan: how dare you!", ">\n\nIgnore all subpoenas stop giving this attention", ">\n\nShotgun oversight. Try to stir up enough trouble and hope that something sticks.", ">\n\nThis just might be worth subscribing to C-Span", ">\n\nFucking ass-clown.", ">\n\n\nFucking ass-clown.\n\nHow did you get access to Jordan's search history?", ">\n\n\nGarland formed a task force in October 2021 to address the increased threats, saying in a memorandum that there had been a “disturbing spike in harassment, intimidation and threats of violence against school administrators, board members, teachers and staff who participate in the vital work of running our nation’s public schools.”", ">\n\nYeah why don’t they just ignore all the subpoenas the way that Trump and Company did?", ">\n\nWell they havent sooo nothing to turn over eh", ">\n\nOne of them has to know what Hunter Biden's OnlyFans account name is, right?" ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility.", ">\n\nFederal Government: we are concerned about parents talking about killing LGBTQ kids and making other violent threats.\nJim Jordan: how dare you!", ">\n\nIgnore all subpoenas stop giving this attention", ">\n\nShotgun oversight. Try to stir up enough trouble and hope that something sticks.", ">\n\nThis just might be worth subscribing to C-Span", ">\n\nFucking ass-clown.", ">\n\n\nFucking ass-clown.\n\nHow did you get access to Jordan's search history?", ">\n\n\nGarland formed a task force in October 2021 to address the increased threats, saying in a memorandum that there had been a “disturbing spike in harassment, intimidation and threats of violence against school administrators, board members, teachers and staff who participate in the vital work of running our nation’s public schools.”", ">\n\nYeah why don’t they just ignore all the subpoenas the way that Trump and Company did?", ">\n\nWell they havent sooo nothing to turn over eh", ">\n\nOne of them has to know what Hunter Biden's OnlyFans account name is, right?", ">\n\nIf they simply asked them to testify, they'd come... this for Gym Jordan to look tough and nothing more." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility.", ">\n\nFederal Government: we are concerned about parents talking about killing LGBTQ kids and making other violent threats.\nJim Jordan: how dare you!", ">\n\nIgnore all subpoenas stop giving this attention", ">\n\nShotgun oversight. Try to stir up enough trouble and hope that something sticks.", ">\n\nThis just might be worth subscribing to C-Span", ">\n\nFucking ass-clown.", ">\n\n\nFucking ass-clown.\n\nHow did you get access to Jordan's search history?", ">\n\n\nGarland formed a task force in October 2021 to address the increased threats, saying in a memorandum that there had been a “disturbing spike in harassment, intimidation and threats of violence against school administrators, board members, teachers and staff who participate in the vital work of running our nation’s public schools.”", ">\n\nYeah why don’t they just ignore all the subpoenas the way that Trump and Company did?", ">\n\nWell they havent sooo nothing to turn over eh", ">\n\nOne of them has to know what Hunter Biden's OnlyFans account name is, right?", ">\n\nIf they simply asked them to testify, they'd come... this for Gym Jordan to look tough and nothing more.", ">\n\nIgnore them. Republicans proved Congress subpoena means nothing." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility.", ">\n\nFederal Government: we are concerned about parents talking about killing LGBTQ kids and making other violent threats.\nJim Jordan: how dare you!", ">\n\nIgnore all subpoenas stop giving this attention", ">\n\nShotgun oversight. Try to stir up enough trouble and hope that something sticks.", ">\n\nThis just might be worth subscribing to C-Span", ">\n\nFucking ass-clown.", ">\n\n\nFucking ass-clown.\n\nHow did you get access to Jordan's search history?", ">\n\n\nGarland formed a task force in October 2021 to address the increased threats, saying in a memorandum that there had been a “disturbing spike in harassment, intimidation and threats of violence against school administrators, board members, teachers and staff who participate in the vital work of running our nation’s public schools.”", ">\n\nYeah why don’t they just ignore all the subpoenas the way that Trump and Company did?", ">\n\nWell they havent sooo nothing to turn over eh", ">\n\nOne of them has to know what Hunter Biden's OnlyFans account name is, right?", ">\n\nIf they simply asked them to testify, they'd come... this for Gym Jordan to look tough and nothing more.", ">\n\nIgnore them. Republicans proved Congress subpoena means nothing.", ">\n\nFor those implying these subpoenas should be ignored, do you typically run an immoral existence where childish “two wrongs make a right” mentality works?\nTestify to congress. Show America what the GOP is." ]

[ "The guy issuing these subpoenas just ignored subpoenas from Congress it's insane.", ">\n\nConservatives are above the law and the rest of us are beneath it. Jim Jordan considers himself American royalty and, as a practical matter, he is.", ">\n\nIf he had to compete in a real district he wouldn't even be in Congress. They have to add in prisons where people can't vote to his district to not violate racial gerrymandering laws. The crazy district is what allows him to act like such an extremist asshole.", ">\n\nThat's his fiefdom.", ">\n\nTechnically it's a covfiefdom.", ">\n\nbegun, the bullshit wars, have", ">\n\nBegun, They've been at the bullshit wars for close to 50 years by now. 😢", ">\n\nsure, but I've been binging battlefront 2 lately so I've had yoda on the brain and the quote seemed somewhat apt", ">\n\nIsn't that on sale for like $5?Any good? I thought about grabbing it but I want to see some gameplay first, plus I'm only 1/2 way through RDR2.", ">\n\nits from like 2018 but there's still a pretty sold online multi-player base, I never have trouble finding matches like with other older online shooters. single player is pretty bland and short so it's more for the online experience", ">\n\nThe type of answer I expected/hoped for", ">\n\nRemember, the GOP has demonstrated in the last 2 years that Congressional subpoenas can be ignored with impunity and without consequence.", ">\n\nBut any subpoenas THEY issue they expect to be heeded", ">\n\nFrom September: Fox promoted false talking point that protesting parents were labeled terrorists more than 400 times\nAlso, these 'school board moms' all seem to be in their late 60's...", ">\n\nYou think parents actually like this culture war bullshit?", ">\n\nSome do actually. I’ve lost a few parent friends because the moms got swept up in QAnon shit. I still don’t understand it and it’s bizarre af. All they seem to do now is rant about culture war shit on twitter about kids but with the amount of time they spend on there it doesn’t seem to leave them enough time to spend with their actual kids. It’s actually a disturbingly large, disgusting little world where they’ve all managed to find each other there. Search “angry mom” and that’s in pretty much everyone’s account name somewhere.", ">\n\nYeah, after radicalizing the men, they're working on the women.", ">\n\n\nHouse Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, issued subpoenas Friday to the heads of the Justice Department, FBI and Department of Education seeking documents related to local school board meetings.\n\nI hope they ignore him, as he has every congressional subpoena he has been issued, and every abdication of accountability he has shown for student athletes under his care as he is a student athelete rape advocate and human piece of garbage.", ">\n\nI'm kind of torn. I'm half wanting them to ignore them, and half wanting them to show up and testify to the truth and stand up to these clowns.", ">\n\nWhat are they gonna ask the education secretary? Just get clips of Jim Jordan screaming about litterboxes in class rooms and demanding the secretary explain why kindergartners are reading Gender Queer?", ">\n\nNow you’re getting it. Anything for a sound bite they can use to brainwash the masses.", ">\n\nFBI was doing its job trying to protect school boards from people making violent threats and the Republican congress is framing that as a bad thing.\nThis is an attempt to enable, empower, and protect domestic terrorists, run by a guy whose claim to fame is covering up rampant sexual abuse. Republicans are trash.", ">\n\nYou go first, gym", ">\n\nIgnore them until fatso shows up and answers for his crimes.", ">\n\nRefusal with a single response would be fitting \n\"Public statements by members of the [House Judiciary committe] indicate that it seeks to use its subpoena authority for improper motives and for the self-aggrandizement of its members\"", ">\n\nHas no authority over Education Secretary. Does it anyway.", ">\n\nWell the GOP showed us that you can just ignore Congressional Subpoenas, even in matters of Insurrection and an attempted coup.. so I don't see why anyone should honor their subpoenas now.", ">\n\nWhy are subpoenas being issued so fast? We sat through 2 years of committees first kindly asking people to show up to hearings, then asking two more times slightly less kind, then threatening to subpoena, then asking again, then negotiating which phase of the moon to send out a subpoena, then finally sending out a subpoena. It was always said that the subpoenas had to wait until people refused after asking to show up, so why are we now seeing immediate subpoenas?", ">\n\nBecause some people are held to standards and others aren't.", ">\n\nRules for thee not for me", ">\n\nGood thing every one of them can ignore them just like Gymmy and his ilk did.", ">\n\nIt’s simple. Disregard the subpoenas because it comes from a man with zero credibility.", ">\n\nFederal Government: we are concerned about parents talking about killing LGBTQ kids and making other violent threats.\nJim Jordan: how dare you!", ">\n\nIgnore all subpoenas stop giving this attention", ">\n\nShotgun oversight. Try to stir up enough trouble and hope that something sticks.", ">\n\nThis just might be worth subscribing to C-Span", ">\n\nFucking ass-clown.", ">\n\n\nFucking ass-clown.\n\nHow did you get access to Jordan's search history?", ">\n\n\nGarland formed a task force in October 2021 to address the increased threats, saying in a memorandum that there had been a “disturbing spike in harassment, intimidation and threats of violence against school administrators, board members, teachers and staff who participate in the vital work of running our nation’s public schools.”", ">\n\nYeah why don’t they just ignore all the subpoenas the way that Trump and Company did?", ">\n\nWell they havent sooo nothing to turn over eh", ">\n\nOne of them has to know what Hunter Biden's OnlyFans account name is, right?", ">\n\nIf they simply asked them to testify, they'd come... this for Gym Jordan to look tough and nothing more.", ">\n\nIgnore them. Republicans proved Congress subpoena means nothing.", ">\n\nFor those implying these subpoenas should be ignored, do you typically run an immoral existence where childish “two wrongs make a right” mentality works?\nTestify to congress. Show America what the GOP is.", ">\n\nDon't worry, you can just ignore those subpoenas, just like the Trump admin." ]

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[ "The USS Nitze (DDG-94) stopped on the edge of the Bosphorus Strait, on its way to make a port call in Turkey. That's about 400 miles from Crimea." ]

[ "The USS Nitze (DDG-94) stopped on the edge of the Bosphorus Strait, on its way to make a port call in Turkey. That's about 400 miles from Crimea.", ">\n\nIt's just a libo port." ]

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[ "Louisiana’s prison system is slavery by another name. Plain and simple. It’s the modern face of the American institution of slavery." ]

[ "Louisiana’s prison system is slavery by another name. Plain and simple. It’s the modern face of the American institution of slavery.", ">\n\nThis rodeo makes a shit ton of money now too." ]

[ "Louisiana’s prison system is slavery by another name. Plain and simple. It’s the modern face of the American institution of slavery.", ">\n\nThis rodeo makes a shit ton of money now too.", ">\n\nThe problem is due in part to antiquated time-computation processes (or an apparent lack of any such system) and an obsolete offender management database. The DOJ also pointed out that parish “jails have no financial incentive” to address the problem because\" the Department of Corrections “pays the jail for each day of overdetention” — and doesn’t inquire much about their practices." ]

[ "Louisiana’s prison system is slavery by another name. Plain and simple. It’s the modern face of the American institution of slavery.", ">\n\nThis rodeo makes a shit ton of money now too.", ">\n\nThe problem is due in part to antiquated time-computation processes (or an apparent lack of any such system) and an obsolete offender management database. The DOJ also pointed out that parish “jails have no financial incentive” to address the problem because\" the Department of Corrections “pays the jail for each day of overdetention” — and doesn’t inquire much about their practices.", ">\n\nIt always comes back to incentives. Stop paying for inmates the moment their sentence is up and they will be released posthaste." ]

[ "Louisiana’s prison system is slavery by another name. Plain and simple. It’s the modern face of the American institution of slavery.", ">\n\nThis rodeo makes a shit ton of money now too.", ">\n\nThe problem is due in part to antiquated time-computation processes (or an apparent lack of any such system) and an obsolete offender management database. The DOJ also pointed out that parish “jails have no financial incentive” to address the problem because\" the Department of Corrections “pays the jail for each day of overdetention” — and doesn’t inquire much about their practices.", ">\n\nIt always comes back to incentives. Stop paying for inmates the moment their sentence is up and they will be released posthaste.", ">\n\nThey’ll let you overstay on imprisonment but in health care if you have a baby in the morning they’d like you out of the hospital by dinner time.\nFucked up priorities if you’re a human. Just right if you’re a gold brick." ]

[ "Louisiana’s prison system is slavery by another name. Plain and simple. It’s the modern face of the American institution of slavery.", ">\n\nThis rodeo makes a shit ton of money now too.", ">\n\nThe problem is due in part to antiquated time-computation processes (or an apparent lack of any such system) and an obsolete offender management database. The DOJ also pointed out that parish “jails have no financial incentive” to address the problem because\" the Department of Corrections “pays the jail for each day of overdetention” — and doesn’t inquire much about their practices.", ">\n\nIt always comes back to incentives. Stop paying for inmates the moment their sentence is up and they will be released posthaste.", ">\n\nThey’ll let you overstay on imprisonment but in health care if you have a baby in the morning they’d like you out of the hospital by dinner time.\nFucked up priorities if you’re a human. Just right if you’re a gold brick.", ">\n\nLouisiana makes a shit ton of money farming out their prisoners to Private Industry for no wage/high profits. It's a huge profitable business for the state." ]

[ "Louisiana’s prison system is slavery by another name. Plain and simple. It’s the modern face of the American institution of slavery.", ">\n\nThis rodeo makes a shit ton of money now too.", ">\n\nThe problem is due in part to antiquated time-computation processes (or an apparent lack of any such system) and an obsolete offender management database. The DOJ also pointed out that parish “jails have no financial incentive” to address the problem because\" the Department of Corrections “pays the jail for each day of overdetention” — and doesn’t inquire much about their practices.", ">\n\nIt always comes back to incentives. Stop paying for inmates the moment their sentence is up and they will be released posthaste.", ">\n\nThey’ll let you overstay on imprisonment but in health care if you have a baby in the morning they’d like you out of the hospital by dinner time.\nFucked up priorities if you’re a human. Just right if you’re a gold brick.", ">\n\nLouisiana makes a shit ton of money farming out their prisoners to Private Industry for no wage/high profits. It's a huge profitable business for the state.", ">\n\nWhat's the worse thing you can do when people start to panic after being told about COVID? \nMarch 26, 2020 ICE Detainees Were Pepper-Sprayed During a Briefing on Coronavirus Three incidents happened and they happened at GEO Group private prisons. Two of the incidents were in Pine Prairie, Louisiana and Jena, Louisiana. \n(GEO Groups is huge. It has prisons in Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, California, Arizona, North Carolina, Florida, Oklahoma, New Mexico... even overseas in South Wales, Australia, and South Africa.) \nLouisiana got a fuckton of money for holding immigrant detainees in prisons." ]

[ "Louisiana’s prison system is slavery by another name. Plain and simple. It’s the modern face of the American institution of slavery.", ">\n\nThis rodeo makes a shit ton of money now too.", ">\n\nThe problem is due in part to antiquated time-computation processes (or an apparent lack of any such system) and an obsolete offender management database. The DOJ also pointed out that parish “jails have no financial incentive” to address the problem because\" the Department of Corrections “pays the jail for each day of overdetention” — and doesn’t inquire much about their practices.", ">\n\nIt always comes back to incentives. Stop paying for inmates the moment their sentence is up and they will be released posthaste.", ">\n\nThey’ll let you overstay on imprisonment but in health care if you have a baby in the morning they’d like you out of the hospital by dinner time.\nFucked up priorities if you’re a human. Just right if you’re a gold brick.", ">\n\nLouisiana makes a shit ton of money farming out their prisoners to Private Industry for no wage/high profits. It's a huge profitable business for the state.", ">\n\nWhat's the worse thing you can do when people start to panic after being told about COVID? \nMarch 26, 2020 ICE Detainees Were Pepper-Sprayed During a Briefing on Coronavirus Three incidents happened and they happened at GEO Group private prisons. Two of the incidents were in Pine Prairie, Louisiana and Jena, Louisiana. \n(GEO Groups is huge. It has prisons in Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, California, Arizona, North Carolina, Florida, Oklahoma, New Mexico... even overseas in South Wales, Australia, and South Africa.) \nLouisiana got a fuckton of money for holding immigrant detainees in prisons.", ">\n\n\nLouisiana is remarkable for its use of the forced labor of incarcerated people. In Louisiana, mostly Black prisoners pick cotton, at gunpoint, on former slave plantations. They have cleaned up the 2010 BP oil spill, have staffed “prison rodeos,” where vulnerable inmates are charged by a bull for public entertainment, and have cleaned and cooked meals in the state Capitol.\n\nSo it's literally just slavery. \nAlso, I feel like you could fill in the blank in \"Louisiana's _____ is part of a deeply rooted pattern\" with almost anything and it would still make sense." ]

[ "Louisiana’s prison system is slavery by another name. Plain and simple. It’s the modern face of the American institution of slavery.", ">\n\nThis rodeo makes a shit ton of money now too.", ">\n\nThe problem is due in part to antiquated time-computation processes (or an apparent lack of any such system) and an obsolete offender management database. The DOJ also pointed out that parish “jails have no financial incentive” to address the problem because\" the Department of Corrections “pays the jail for each day of overdetention” — and doesn’t inquire much about their practices.", ">\n\nIt always comes back to incentives. Stop paying for inmates the moment their sentence is up and they will be released posthaste.", ">\n\nThey’ll let you overstay on imprisonment but in health care if you have a baby in the morning they’d like you out of the hospital by dinner time.\nFucked up priorities if you’re a human. Just right if you’re a gold brick.", ">\n\nLouisiana makes a shit ton of money farming out their prisoners to Private Industry for no wage/high profits. It's a huge profitable business for the state.", ">\n\nWhat's the worse thing you can do when people start to panic after being told about COVID? \nMarch 26, 2020 ICE Detainees Were Pepper-Sprayed During a Briefing on Coronavirus Three incidents happened and they happened at GEO Group private prisons. Two of the incidents were in Pine Prairie, Louisiana and Jena, Louisiana. \n(GEO Groups is huge. It has prisons in Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, California, Arizona, North Carolina, Florida, Oklahoma, New Mexico... even overseas in South Wales, Australia, and South Africa.) \nLouisiana got a fuckton of money for holding immigrant detainees in prisons.", ">\n\n\nLouisiana is remarkable for its use of the forced labor of incarcerated people. In Louisiana, mostly Black prisoners pick cotton, at gunpoint, on former slave plantations. They have cleaned up the 2010 BP oil spill, have staffed “prison rodeos,” where vulnerable inmates are charged by a bull for public entertainment, and have cleaned and cooked meals in the state Capitol.\n\nSo it's literally just slavery. \nAlso, I feel like you could fill in the blank in \"Louisiana's _____ is part of a deeply rooted pattern\" with almost anything and it would still make sense.", ">\n\nFix the 13th amendment (end all slavery), and defund the runaway slave patrol." ]

[ "Louisiana’s prison system is slavery by another name. Plain and simple. It’s the modern face of the American institution of slavery.", ">\n\nThis rodeo makes a shit ton of money now too.", ">\n\nThe problem is due in part to antiquated time-computation processes (or an apparent lack of any such system) and an obsolete offender management database. The DOJ also pointed out that parish “jails have no financial incentive” to address the problem because\" the Department of Corrections “pays the jail for each day of overdetention” — and doesn’t inquire much about their practices.", ">\n\nIt always comes back to incentives. Stop paying for inmates the moment their sentence is up and they will be released posthaste.", ">\n\nThey’ll let you overstay on imprisonment but in health care if you have a baby in the morning they’d like you out of the hospital by dinner time.\nFucked up priorities if you’re a human. Just right if you’re a gold brick.", ">\n\nLouisiana makes a shit ton of money farming out their prisoners to Private Industry for no wage/high profits. It's a huge profitable business for the state.", ">\n\nWhat's the worse thing you can do when people start to panic after being told about COVID? \nMarch 26, 2020 ICE Detainees Were Pepper-Sprayed During a Briefing on Coronavirus Three incidents happened and they happened at GEO Group private prisons. Two of the incidents were in Pine Prairie, Louisiana and Jena, Louisiana. \n(GEO Groups is huge. It has prisons in Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, California, Arizona, North Carolina, Florida, Oklahoma, New Mexico... even overseas in South Wales, Australia, and South Africa.) \nLouisiana got a fuckton of money for holding immigrant detainees in prisons.", ">\n\n\nLouisiana is remarkable for its use of the forced labor of incarcerated people. In Louisiana, mostly Black prisoners pick cotton, at gunpoint, on former slave plantations. They have cleaned up the 2010 BP oil spill, have staffed “prison rodeos,” where vulnerable inmates are charged by a bull for public entertainment, and have cleaned and cooked meals in the state Capitol.\n\nSo it's literally just slavery. \nAlso, I feel like you could fill in the blank in \"Louisiana's _____ is part of a deeply rooted pattern\" with almost anything and it would still make sense.", ">\n\nFix the 13th amendment (end all slavery), and defund the runaway slave patrol.", ">\n\nRepublicans made it illegal to teach about it." ]

[ "Louisiana’s prison system is slavery by another name. Plain and simple. It’s the modern face of the American institution of slavery.", ">\n\nThis rodeo makes a shit ton of money now too.", ">\n\nThe problem is due in part to antiquated time-computation processes (or an apparent lack of any such system) and an obsolete offender management database. The DOJ also pointed out that parish “jails have no financial incentive” to address the problem because\" the Department of Corrections “pays the jail for each day of overdetention” — and doesn’t inquire much about their practices.", ">\n\nIt always comes back to incentives. Stop paying for inmates the moment their sentence is up and they will be released posthaste.", ">\n\nThey’ll let you overstay on imprisonment but in health care if you have a baby in the morning they’d like you out of the hospital by dinner time.\nFucked up priorities if you’re a human. Just right if you’re a gold brick.", ">\n\nLouisiana makes a shit ton of money farming out their prisoners to Private Industry for no wage/high profits. It's a huge profitable business for the state.", ">\n\nWhat's the worse thing you can do when people start to panic after being told about COVID? \nMarch 26, 2020 ICE Detainees Were Pepper-Sprayed During a Briefing on Coronavirus Three incidents happened and they happened at GEO Group private prisons. Two of the incidents were in Pine Prairie, Louisiana and Jena, Louisiana. \n(GEO Groups is huge. It has prisons in Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, California, Arizona, North Carolina, Florida, Oklahoma, New Mexico... even overseas in South Wales, Australia, and South Africa.) \nLouisiana got a fuckton of money for holding immigrant detainees in prisons.", ">\n\n\nLouisiana is remarkable for its use of the forced labor of incarcerated people. In Louisiana, mostly Black prisoners pick cotton, at gunpoint, on former slave plantations. They have cleaned up the 2010 BP oil spill, have staffed “prison rodeos,” where vulnerable inmates are charged by a bull for public entertainment, and have cleaned and cooked meals in the state Capitol.\n\nSo it's literally just slavery. \nAlso, I feel like you could fill in the blank in \"Louisiana's _____ is part of a deeply rooted pattern\" with almost anything and it would still make sense.", ">\n\nFix the 13th amendment (end all slavery), and defund the runaway slave patrol.", ">\n\nRepublicans made it illegal to teach about it.", ">\n\nYes, and that problem is called Louisiana" ]

[ "Louisiana’s prison system is slavery by another name. Plain and simple. It’s the modern face of the American institution of slavery.", ">\n\nThis rodeo makes a shit ton of money now too.", ">\n\nThe problem is due in part to antiquated time-computation processes (or an apparent lack of any such system) and an obsolete offender management database. The DOJ also pointed out that parish “jails have no financial incentive” to address the problem because\" the Department of Corrections “pays the jail for each day of overdetention” — and doesn’t inquire much about their practices.", ">\n\nIt always comes back to incentives. Stop paying for inmates the moment their sentence is up and they will be released posthaste.", ">\n\nThey’ll let you overstay on imprisonment but in health care if you have a baby in the morning they’d like you out of the hospital by dinner time.\nFucked up priorities if you’re a human. Just right if you’re a gold brick.", ">\n\nLouisiana makes a shit ton of money farming out their prisoners to Private Industry for no wage/high profits. It's a huge profitable business for the state.", ">\n\nWhat's the worse thing you can do when people start to panic after being told about COVID? \nMarch 26, 2020 ICE Detainees Were Pepper-Sprayed During a Briefing on Coronavirus Three incidents happened and they happened at GEO Group private prisons. Two of the incidents were in Pine Prairie, Louisiana and Jena, Louisiana. \n(GEO Groups is huge. It has prisons in Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, California, Arizona, North Carolina, Florida, Oklahoma, New Mexico... even overseas in South Wales, Australia, and South Africa.) \nLouisiana got a fuckton of money for holding immigrant detainees in prisons.", ">\n\n\nLouisiana is remarkable for its use of the forced labor of incarcerated people. In Louisiana, mostly Black prisoners pick cotton, at gunpoint, on former slave plantations. They have cleaned up the 2010 BP oil spill, have staffed “prison rodeos,” where vulnerable inmates are charged by a bull for public entertainment, and have cleaned and cooked meals in the state Capitol.\n\nSo it's literally just slavery. \nAlso, I feel like you could fill in the blank in \"Louisiana's _____ is part of a deeply rooted pattern\" with almost anything and it would still make sense.", ">\n\nFix the 13th amendment (end all slavery), and defund the runaway slave patrol.", ">\n\nRepublicans made it illegal to teach about it.", ">\n\nYes, and that problem is called Louisiana", ">\n\nGrew up there, will never go back." ]

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[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link.", ">\n\nBeing a former Mormon, having lived it for 43 years, I can state that this church is a cult. The gaslighting the goes on there is immense. An eight year old does not voice other than what their parent allows. It’s drilled into their little heads the expectation for baptism with the threat of hell, damnation and scare tactic of disappointing their parental figures. \nReligious trauma is a real thing, and former members of some of these “respectable” cults have a lot of it.\nNote, I was a Mormon seminary teacher, so yes, I’ve don’t my homework and then some on this cult." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link.", ">\n\nBeing a former Mormon, having lived it for 43 years, I can state that this church is a cult. The gaslighting the goes on there is immense. An eight year old does not voice other than what their parent allows. It’s drilled into their little heads the expectation for baptism with the threat of hell, damnation and scare tactic of disappointing their parental figures. \nReligious trauma is a real thing, and former members of some of these “respectable” cults have a lot of it.\nNote, I was a Mormon seminary teacher, so yes, I’ve don’t my homework and then some on this cult.", ">\n\nYou mean getting magic water splashed on you vs. taking hormones that can alter how you develop?\nWhat a stupid comparison." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link.", ">\n\nBeing a former Mormon, having lived it for 43 years, I can state that this church is a cult. The gaslighting the goes on there is immense. An eight year old does not voice other than what their parent allows. It’s drilled into their little heads the expectation for baptism with the threat of hell, damnation and scare tactic of disappointing their parental figures. \nReligious trauma is a real thing, and former members of some of these “respectable” cults have a lot of it.\nNote, I was a Mormon seminary teacher, so yes, I’ve don’t my homework and then some on this cult.", ">\n\nYou mean getting magic water splashed on you vs. taking hormones that can alter how you develop?\nWhat a stupid comparison.", ">\n\nNo. They mean being dunked fully into water and making promises to pay the church 10 percent of all your money. Which they expect 8 year olds to do after being baptized. You get paid to babysit? Give 10 percent to the church. Allowance? 10 percent to the church. \nLet’s not even get into the sexually explicit interviews young men and women are put through with their bishops or the fact that they rub oil on your genitalia if you get married in the temple. \nI’d say indoctrinating children into a cult that hides SA of children, teaches women they are baby factories and men that they are superior as long as they pay money to the church is a pretty good comparison actually. You clearly have no idea what it is like to grow up in Mormon Utah." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link.", ">\n\nBeing a former Mormon, having lived it for 43 years, I can state that this church is a cult. The gaslighting the goes on there is immense. An eight year old does not voice other than what their parent allows. It’s drilled into their little heads the expectation for baptism with the threat of hell, damnation and scare tactic of disappointing their parental figures. \nReligious trauma is a real thing, and former members of some of these “respectable” cults have a lot of it.\nNote, I was a Mormon seminary teacher, so yes, I’ve don’t my homework and then some on this cult.", ">\n\nYou mean getting magic water splashed on you vs. taking hormones that can alter how you develop?\nWhat a stupid comparison.", ">\n\nNo. They mean being dunked fully into water and making promises to pay the church 10 percent of all your money. Which they expect 8 year olds to do after being baptized. You get paid to babysit? Give 10 percent to the church. Allowance? 10 percent to the church. \nLet’s not even get into the sexually explicit interviews young men and women are put through with their bishops or the fact that they rub oil on your genitalia if you get married in the temple. \nI’d say indoctrinating children into a cult that hides SA of children, teaches women they are baby factories and men that they are superior as long as they pay money to the church is a pretty good comparison actually. You clearly have no idea what it is like to grow up in Mormon Utah.", ">\n\nI. Am. Not. Responding. To. Just. Mormons. Literally saw the title, with no mention of Mormons and laughed." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link.", ">\n\nBeing a former Mormon, having lived it for 43 years, I can state that this church is a cult. The gaslighting the goes on there is immense. An eight year old does not voice other than what their parent allows. It’s drilled into their little heads the expectation for baptism with the threat of hell, damnation and scare tactic of disappointing their parental figures. \nReligious trauma is a real thing, and former members of some of these “respectable” cults have a lot of it.\nNote, I was a Mormon seminary teacher, so yes, I’ve don’t my homework and then some on this cult.", ">\n\nYou mean getting magic water splashed on you vs. taking hormones that can alter how you develop?\nWhat a stupid comparison.", ">\n\nNo. They mean being dunked fully into water and making promises to pay the church 10 percent of all your money. Which they expect 8 year olds to do after being baptized. You get paid to babysit? Give 10 percent to the church. Allowance? 10 percent to the church. \nLet’s not even get into the sexually explicit interviews young men and women are put through with their bishops or the fact that they rub oil on your genitalia if you get married in the temple. \nI’d say indoctrinating children into a cult that hides SA of children, teaches women they are baby factories and men that they are superior as long as they pay money to the church is a pretty good comparison actually. You clearly have no idea what it is like to grow up in Mormon Utah.", ">\n\nI. Am. Not. Responding. To. Just. Mormons. Literally saw the title, with no mention of Mormons and laughed.", ">\n\nYou could just flat out say you didn’t read the article" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link.", ">\n\nBeing a former Mormon, having lived it for 43 years, I can state that this church is a cult. The gaslighting the goes on there is immense. An eight year old does not voice other than what their parent allows. It’s drilled into their little heads the expectation for baptism with the threat of hell, damnation and scare tactic of disappointing their parental figures. \nReligious trauma is a real thing, and former members of some of these “respectable” cults have a lot of it.\nNote, I was a Mormon seminary teacher, so yes, I’ve don’t my homework and then some on this cult.", ">\n\nYou mean getting magic water splashed on you vs. taking hormones that can alter how you develop?\nWhat a stupid comparison.", ">\n\nNo. They mean being dunked fully into water and making promises to pay the church 10 percent of all your money. Which they expect 8 year olds to do after being baptized. You get paid to babysit? Give 10 percent to the church. Allowance? 10 percent to the church. \nLet’s not even get into the sexually explicit interviews young men and women are put through with their bishops or the fact that they rub oil on your genitalia if you get married in the temple. \nI’d say indoctrinating children into a cult that hides SA of children, teaches women they are baby factories and men that they are superior as long as they pay money to the church is a pretty good comparison actually. You clearly have no idea what it is like to grow up in Mormon Utah.", ">\n\nI. Am. Not. Responding. To. Just. Mormons. Literally saw the title, with no mention of Mormons and laughed.", ">\n\nYou could just flat out say you didn’t read the article", ">\n\nI agree." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link.", ">\n\nBeing a former Mormon, having lived it for 43 years, I can state that this church is a cult. The gaslighting the goes on there is immense. An eight year old does not voice other than what their parent allows. It’s drilled into their little heads the expectation for baptism with the threat of hell, damnation and scare tactic of disappointing their parental figures. \nReligious trauma is a real thing, and former members of some of these “respectable” cults have a lot of it.\nNote, I was a Mormon seminary teacher, so yes, I’ve don’t my homework and then some on this cult.", ">\n\nYou mean getting magic water splashed on you vs. taking hormones that can alter how you develop?\nWhat a stupid comparison.", ">\n\nNo. They mean being dunked fully into water and making promises to pay the church 10 percent of all your money. Which they expect 8 year olds to do after being baptized. You get paid to babysit? Give 10 percent to the church. Allowance? 10 percent to the church. \nLet’s not even get into the sexually explicit interviews young men and women are put through with their bishops or the fact that they rub oil on your genitalia if you get married in the temple. \nI’d say indoctrinating children into a cult that hides SA of children, teaches women they are baby factories and men that they are superior as long as they pay money to the church is a pretty good comparison actually. You clearly have no idea what it is like to grow up in Mormon Utah.", ">\n\nI. Am. Not. Responding. To. Just. Mormons. Literally saw the title, with no mention of Mormons and laughed.", ">\n\nYou could just flat out say you didn’t read the article", ">\n\nI agree.", ">\n\nNot exactly the same but if it means cutting down on future religious nuts I'm all for it" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link.", ">\n\nBeing a former Mormon, having lived it for 43 years, I can state that this church is a cult. The gaslighting the goes on there is immense. An eight year old does not voice other than what their parent allows. It’s drilled into their little heads the expectation for baptism with the threat of hell, damnation and scare tactic of disappointing their parental figures. \nReligious trauma is a real thing, and former members of some of these “respectable” cults have a lot of it.\nNote, I was a Mormon seminary teacher, so yes, I’ve don’t my homework and then some on this cult.", ">\n\nYou mean getting magic water splashed on you vs. taking hormones that can alter how you develop?\nWhat a stupid comparison.", ">\n\nNo. They mean being dunked fully into water and making promises to pay the church 10 percent of all your money. Which they expect 8 year olds to do after being baptized. You get paid to babysit? Give 10 percent to the church. Allowance? 10 percent to the church. \nLet’s not even get into the sexually explicit interviews young men and women are put through with their bishops or the fact that they rub oil on your genitalia if you get married in the temple. \nI’d say indoctrinating children into a cult that hides SA of children, teaches women they are baby factories and men that they are superior as long as they pay money to the church is a pretty good comparison actually. You clearly have no idea what it is like to grow up in Mormon Utah.", ">\n\nI. Am. Not. Responding. To. Just. Mormons. Literally saw the title, with no mention of Mormons and laughed.", ">\n\nYou could just flat out say you didn’t read the article", ">\n\nI agree.", ">\n\nNot exactly the same but if it means cutting down on future religious nuts I'm all for it", ">\n\n\nalt" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link.", ">\n\nBeing a former Mormon, having lived it for 43 years, I can state that this church is a cult. The gaslighting the goes on there is immense. An eight year old does not voice other than what their parent allows. It’s drilled into their little heads the expectation for baptism with the threat of hell, damnation and scare tactic of disappointing their parental figures. \nReligious trauma is a real thing, and former members of some of these “respectable” cults have a lot of it.\nNote, I was a Mormon seminary teacher, so yes, I’ve don’t my homework and then some on this cult.", ">\n\nYou mean getting magic water splashed on you vs. taking hormones that can alter how you develop?\nWhat a stupid comparison.", ">\n\nNo. They mean being dunked fully into water and making promises to pay the church 10 percent of all your money. Which they expect 8 year olds to do after being baptized. You get paid to babysit? Give 10 percent to the church. Allowance? 10 percent to the church. \nLet’s not even get into the sexually explicit interviews young men and women are put through with their bishops or the fact that they rub oil on your genitalia if you get married in the temple. \nI’d say indoctrinating children into a cult that hides SA of children, teaches women they are baby factories and men that they are superior as long as they pay money to the church is a pretty good comparison actually. You clearly have no idea what it is like to grow up in Mormon Utah.", ">\n\nI. Am. Not. Responding. To. Just. Mormons. Literally saw the title, with no mention of Mormons and laughed.", ">\n\nYou could just flat out say you didn’t read the article", ">\n\nI agree.", ">\n\nNot exactly the same but if it means cutting down on future religious nuts I'm all for it", ">\n\n\nalt", ">\n\nAny religion?" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link.", ">\n\nBeing a former Mormon, having lived it for 43 years, I can state that this church is a cult. The gaslighting the goes on there is immense. An eight year old does not voice other than what their parent allows. It’s drilled into their little heads the expectation for baptism with the threat of hell, damnation and scare tactic of disappointing their parental figures. \nReligious trauma is a real thing, and former members of some of these “respectable” cults have a lot of it.\nNote, I was a Mormon seminary teacher, so yes, I’ve don’t my homework and then some on this cult.", ">\n\nYou mean getting magic water splashed on you vs. taking hormones that can alter how you develop?\nWhat a stupid comparison.", ">\n\nNo. They mean being dunked fully into water and making promises to pay the church 10 percent of all your money. Which they expect 8 year olds to do after being baptized. You get paid to babysit? Give 10 percent to the church. Allowance? 10 percent to the church. \nLet’s not even get into the sexually explicit interviews young men and women are put through with their bishops or the fact that they rub oil on your genitalia if you get married in the temple. \nI’d say indoctrinating children into a cult that hides SA of children, teaches women they are baby factories and men that they are superior as long as they pay money to the church is a pretty good comparison actually. You clearly have no idea what it is like to grow up in Mormon Utah.", ">\n\nI. Am. Not. Responding. To. Just. Mormons. Literally saw the title, with no mention of Mormons and laughed.", ">\n\nYou could just flat out say you didn’t read the article", ">\n\nI agree.", ">\n\nNot exactly the same but if it means cutting down on future religious nuts I'm all for it", ">\n\n\nalt", ">\n\nAny religion?", ">\n\nReligion can be changed relatively easily and at will unlike the potentially permanent bodily effects of “gender-affirming” surgery" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link.", ">\n\nBeing a former Mormon, having lived it for 43 years, I can state that this church is a cult. The gaslighting the goes on there is immense. An eight year old does not voice other than what their parent allows. It’s drilled into their little heads the expectation for baptism with the threat of hell, damnation and scare tactic of disappointing their parental figures. \nReligious trauma is a real thing, and former members of some of these “respectable” cults have a lot of it.\nNote, I was a Mormon seminary teacher, so yes, I’ve don’t my homework and then some on this cult.", ">\n\nYou mean getting magic water splashed on you vs. taking hormones that can alter how you develop?\nWhat a stupid comparison.", ">\n\nNo. They mean being dunked fully into water and making promises to pay the church 10 percent of all your money. Which they expect 8 year olds to do after being baptized. You get paid to babysit? Give 10 percent to the church. Allowance? 10 percent to the church. \nLet’s not even get into the sexually explicit interviews young men and women are put through with their bishops or the fact that they rub oil on your genitalia if you get married in the temple. \nI’d say indoctrinating children into a cult that hides SA of children, teaches women they are baby factories and men that they are superior as long as they pay money to the church is a pretty good comparison actually. You clearly have no idea what it is like to grow up in Mormon Utah.", ">\n\nI. Am. Not. Responding. To. Just. Mormons. Literally saw the title, with no mention of Mormons and laughed.", ">\n\nYou could just flat out say you didn’t read the article", ">\n\nI agree.", ">\n\nNot exactly the same but if it means cutting down on future religious nuts I'm all for it", ">\n\n\nalt", ">\n\nAny religion?", ">\n\nReligion can be changed relatively easily and at will unlike the potentially permanent bodily effects of “gender-affirming” surgery", ">\n\nRidiculous comparison. I am pro health care for transgender people for the record and subscribe to no organized religion." ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link.", ">\n\nBeing a former Mormon, having lived it for 43 years, I can state that this church is a cult. The gaslighting the goes on there is immense. An eight year old does not voice other than what their parent allows. It’s drilled into their little heads the expectation for baptism with the threat of hell, damnation and scare tactic of disappointing their parental figures. \nReligious trauma is a real thing, and former members of some of these “respectable” cults have a lot of it.\nNote, I was a Mormon seminary teacher, so yes, I’ve don’t my homework and then some on this cult.", ">\n\nYou mean getting magic water splashed on you vs. taking hormones that can alter how you develop?\nWhat a stupid comparison.", ">\n\nNo. They mean being dunked fully into water and making promises to pay the church 10 percent of all your money. Which they expect 8 year olds to do after being baptized. You get paid to babysit? Give 10 percent to the church. Allowance? 10 percent to the church. \nLet’s not even get into the sexually explicit interviews young men and women are put through with their bishops or the fact that they rub oil on your genitalia if you get married in the temple. \nI’d say indoctrinating children into a cult that hides SA of children, teaches women they are baby factories and men that they are superior as long as they pay money to the church is a pretty good comparison actually. You clearly have no idea what it is like to grow up in Mormon Utah.", ">\n\nI. Am. Not. Responding. To. Just. Mormons. Literally saw the title, with no mention of Mormons and laughed.", ">\n\nYou could just flat out say you didn’t read the article", ">\n\nI agree.", ">\n\nNot exactly the same but if it means cutting down on future religious nuts I'm all for it", ">\n\n\nalt", ">\n\nAny religion?", ">\n\nReligion can be changed relatively easily and at will unlike the potentially permanent bodily effects of “gender-affirming” surgery", ">\n\nRidiculous comparison. I am pro health care for transgender people for the record and subscribe to no organized religion.", ">\n\nWhy is it ridiculous?" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link.", ">\n\nBeing a former Mormon, having lived it for 43 years, I can state that this church is a cult. The gaslighting the goes on there is immense. An eight year old does not voice other than what their parent allows. It’s drilled into their little heads the expectation for baptism with the threat of hell, damnation and scare tactic of disappointing their parental figures. \nReligious trauma is a real thing, and former members of some of these “respectable” cults have a lot of it.\nNote, I was a Mormon seminary teacher, so yes, I’ve don’t my homework and then some on this cult.", ">\n\nYou mean getting magic water splashed on you vs. taking hormones that can alter how you develop?\nWhat a stupid comparison.", ">\n\nNo. They mean being dunked fully into water and making promises to pay the church 10 percent of all your money. Which they expect 8 year olds to do after being baptized. You get paid to babysit? Give 10 percent to the church. Allowance? 10 percent to the church. \nLet’s not even get into the sexually explicit interviews young men and women are put through with their bishops or the fact that they rub oil on your genitalia if you get married in the temple. \nI’d say indoctrinating children into a cult that hides SA of children, teaches women they are baby factories and men that they are superior as long as they pay money to the church is a pretty good comparison actually. You clearly have no idea what it is like to grow up in Mormon Utah.", ">\n\nI. Am. Not. Responding. To. Just. Mormons. Literally saw the title, with no mention of Mormons and laughed.", ">\n\nYou could just flat out say you didn’t read the article", ">\n\nI agree.", ">\n\nNot exactly the same but if it means cutting down on future religious nuts I'm all for it", ">\n\n\nalt", ">\n\nAny religion?", ">\n\nReligion can be changed relatively easily and at will unlike the potentially permanent bodily effects of “gender-affirming” surgery", ">\n\nRidiculous comparison. I am pro health care for transgender people for the record and subscribe to no organized religion.", ">\n\nWhy is it ridiculous?", ">\n\nSpeaking as someone who thinks gender-affirming care is good and religion isn't...this is a stupid analogy. You can change your decisions about religion much more easily than you can change your decision about surgery. \n(Article is behind paywall, apologies if they focused on the most reversible forms of gender-affirming care, etc.)" ]

[ "How can an eight-year-old, in response to years of indoctrination and pressure, make an informed “decision” to be baptized? \n\ninsert photo of a Noah's Ark mobile over a bassinet and a stuffed toy that recites prayers next to an illustrated children's bible", ">\n\nBased and Anabaptist-pilled", ">\n\nIt is one of the few Anabaptist ideals that I can get behind. Babies have no will to receive the host. Infant baptism as well as children circumcision is abuse. Flat out.", ">\n\n\nchildren circumcision is abuse. Flat out.\n\nSexual abuse as well. Those who are fully circumcised have up to 90% of the nerve-endings on the penile stalk cut away; they will never be able to experience full male orgasm.", ">\n\nNot only are nerves severed, but you lose the entire tactile sensation of the foreskin rolling", ">\n\nFor obvious reasons, I have to take your word for it.", ">\n\nIt's worth noting that \"transgender healthcare\" or \"gender-affirming care\" are broad terms that can include hormonal therapy -- but those terms also include things like therapy with a supportive psychologist, as well as legal support, like for changing your name or gender. \nDespite disinformation campaigns by anti-LGBTQ radicals, most people support at least some aspects of transgender healthcare once they know what it includes -- and banning all of it isn't policy, but fearmongering.\nThe claims that transgender children are \"indoctrinated\" are dismissible, because the people making those claims tolerate extraordinary pressure on children in other contexts -- and simply by the numbers, childhood religious trauma is a much, much bigger problem than purported harms of transgender healthcare. \nWhich of course isn't the point of this article -- the point is hypocrisy that is required to turn slogans into bad policy, in a way that causes predictable harm.", ">\n\nIntersex children are routinely given involuntary gender assignment surgery without any hint of consideration for the informed consent of the child. It's all hypocrisy and double-standards.", ">\n\nMy sisters ex girlfriend was born intersex and raised as a boy. Fortunately her parents supported her transitioning when she was a teenager.", ">\n\nIt’s such a horrible position to take. You’re trans but you can’t be trans in our state? \nObjectively look at the position these states are taking. Regardless if you agree with trans people transitioning, look objectively. What if you were told you can’t dye your hair, get piercings, your hair had to be a length regardless of your preference on length. You had to wear clothes assigned to you. \nNo tattoos, no drinking, smoking, nothing that signals your division from a “norm”. Your body is not yours.", ">\n\nMakes total sense, sounds like Mormonism to me. You’re obviously not from Utah, that’s exactly how many conservative mormons live their lives.", ">\n\nI lived in Utah. I am not from Utah though. \nThere is still a large percentage of non-LDS in Utah. The state and religious leaders do not know better than doctors and studies.", ">\n\nThey think they do and that all that matters. They’re still the ones running the show", ">\n\nMaybe we should send in the government again. Treat them like they used to be treated til they found Utah.", ">\n\nLDS is a cult that has captured a US State. This is unacceptable.", ">\n\nTechnically it wasn't a state when they captured it.", ">\n\n& it’s only a state because they said they would stop practicing polygamy…do we really think polygamy is dead?", ">\n\nThe main sect the LDS (Latter Day Saints) have given up polygamy but turn a kind of blind eye to the Polygamous sects.\nFundamentalist JCLDS that have towns in the south of Utah, Arizona, Mexico. The only time the polygamous sects get shit is when they marry underage girls or the heat gets to much for the Salt Lake City version of LDS.", ">\n\nI was raised in a family where my grandpa was a Reverend at a a Lutheran-type church. He was super cool cuz he also taught philosophy and world history (at a seminary school). We had a very well-rounded view of religion in general. My mom has always been Agnostic. My dad isn't religious, but cops to praying sometimes. \nEven as a child, the Baptist side of the family would give us those little books about, \"the lake of fire\", and I KNEW that that stuff wasn't real. I was five or six years old maybe? By the time it was time to make my \"confirmation\" (which happened at, like, age 13 or something? I only did it for my grandma), I already knew that religion wasn't for me. Of course I got into \"trouble\" when they started talking about \"woman\" coming from \"Adam's rib\". I literally started laughing out loud and debated the reverend who was leading the class. It caused a big kerfuffle, and I didn't really care. \nPoint being, I have a feeling a lot of kids KNOW at a young age that its all B.S. and are too afraid to say anything and play along. Maybe?", ">\n\nI think the information age changes things quite a bit. The children have all had tablets and smartphones as long as they can remember—they're digital natives.\nThis stand up routine from George Carlin has a timeless quality to it. Peer and family pressure try to drive children into a certain way of thinking...\n\n[George Carlin] But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.\nSomething is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say \"this guy\", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.", ">\n\nI appreciate the letter's spirit, but, well... we basically don't let kids make decisions about religion. We leave them at the mercy of their parents or legal guardians, which doesn't seem like it's working out that well either.\nHe finally touches upon that at the very end of the letter, and proposes no solution. That's because there really isn't one. Kids are fuckin' stupid, so they can't be making most decisions for themselves. Meanwhile, society is pervasive; it seems futile to try to insulate kids from it for eighteen or more years so that they can see it with fresh eyes and some abstract philosophical education once they're \"mature.\"\nPlato suggested something like the latter - though only for the special kids who he somehow knew in advance were going to be society's golden guardians in their adulthood - and even he recognized that it was an untenable flight of fancy.\nIt's an alluring one, though, for everyone who has any doubts about the prevailing social order. The idea of kids acting like anthropologists from an alien race and recognizing all of our bullshit for the bullshit that it is just feels so good. How do you actually get there? I don't think there's a way.", ">\n\nOh yeah, THIS is going to be a civil discussion!", ">\n\nYou speak for me - had no idea what that 8 year old getting a dunking meant. Don't really care, I walked away. \nfunny story: decades latter some one knocked on my mom's front door and introduced themselves as Richard Nixon - she did not know which was worse: mormon or potus wannabee.", ">\n\nWhy am I not surprised this is Utah. \nLegislation here gives absolutely no shit to any voter. We voted to legalize marijuana, they said no and we fought back. Medically it’s ok for only one or two things. \nWe had separate group decide on the districts of each area, voters were happy! Not the legislature! How dare we make things simple we will go with this map where we can keep the state Mormon! They only care about money and I’m at my wits end.", ">\n\nI do on a lot of levels object to the various religious ceremonies I get invited to for the children of my friends. Like, I don't know, why does that kid not get a choice?", ">\n\nI don’t know if this is the best analogy to make. Children very often change their initial views on religion and leave the church or their faith. It could lead to the conclusion that children are fickle and I’m not position to make life-long decisions at a young age.", ">\n\nOr we could just not ban healthcare. Let’s not try to get an eye for an eye here. Our health and existence is more important then Your social warrior brownie points for trying to get rhetorically even.", ">\n\nI get his point, but the practical application of his position is that parents can compel children to practice a certain religion. I don't think that's what he really wants.", ">\n\nHis point is that they already do that.", ">\n\nTattoos either", ">\n\nWhat state do you live in that children are allowed to get tattoos?", ">\n\nNon-denominational christian, but not like a biblical scholar, here.\nBut because, in some translations, Jesus unlocks the gates of purgatory (In some it’s Hell) after their death. Aren’t children, in some views, passing before their opportunity still getting an opportunity, if not a pass (I.e Heart of a child and whatnot)?", ">\n\nIt's definitely part of Catholicism and Mormonism. Mormonism is something I have studied and continue to do research on. The founder of mormonism, Joseph Smith, introduced new theology in the mid-nineteenth century to answer questions that had been cropping up. He claimed to have the voice of deity telling him what to say. One of the last \"approved\" sections of new canon in Brighamite mormonism came in 1976, just before the race reversal in 1978. Some writing from 1836 was elevated to canonized scripture where Smith claimed people who did not get a chance to accept the one-true-religion while they were alive would get another chance. In this model, Hitler and Braun could be elevated to standing as gods—depending on whether or not the mormon missionaries knocked at their door. All of the holocaust and World War II crimes can be washed away forgiven in a heartbeat. See episodes 7 and 8 in this series for more, link.", ">\n\nBeing a former Mormon, having lived it for 43 years, I can state that this church is a cult. The gaslighting the goes on there is immense. An eight year old does not voice other than what their parent allows. It’s drilled into their little heads the expectation for baptism with the threat of hell, damnation and scare tactic of disappointing their parental figures. \nReligious trauma is a real thing, and former members of some of these “respectable” cults have a lot of it.\nNote, I was a Mormon seminary teacher, so yes, I’ve don’t my homework and then some on this cult.", ">\n\nYou mean getting magic water splashed on you vs. taking hormones that can alter how you develop?\nWhat a stupid comparison.", ">\n\nNo. They mean being dunked fully into water and making promises to pay the church 10 percent of all your money. Which they expect 8 year olds to do after being baptized. You get paid to babysit? Give 10 percent to the church. Allowance? 10 percent to the church. \nLet’s not even get into the sexually explicit interviews young men and women are put through with their bishops or the fact that they rub oil on your genitalia if you get married in the temple. \nI’d say indoctrinating children into a cult that hides SA of children, teaches women they are baby factories and men that they are superior as long as they pay money to the church is a pretty good comparison actually. You clearly have no idea what it is like to grow up in Mormon Utah.", ">\n\nI. Am. Not. Responding. To. Just. Mormons. Literally saw the title, with no mention of Mormons and laughed.", ">\n\nYou could just flat out say you didn’t read the article", ">\n\nI agree.", ">\n\nNot exactly the same but if it means cutting down on future religious nuts I'm all for it", ">\n\n\nalt", ">\n\nAny religion?", ">\n\nReligion can be changed relatively easily and at will unlike the potentially permanent bodily effects of “gender-affirming” surgery", ">\n\nRidiculous comparison. I am pro health care for transgender people for the record and subscribe to no organized religion.", ">\n\nWhy is it ridiculous?", ">\n\nSpeaking as someone who thinks gender-affirming care is good and religion isn't...this is a stupid analogy. You can change your decisions about religion much more easily than you can change your decision about surgery. \n(Article is behind paywall, apologies if they focused on the most reversible forms of gender-affirming care, etc.)", ">\n\nKids aren’t getting surgery." ]

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[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\n“Dreams betray many but hard work betrays none”, it’s an absolute joke lol. Your dreams are likely to fail, the fact that you worked hard simply acts as consolation :))" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\n“Dreams betray many but hard work betrays none”, it’s an absolute joke lol. Your dreams are likely to fail, the fact that you worked hard simply acts as consolation :))", ">\n\nThe greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\n“Dreams betray many but hard work betrays none”, it’s an absolute joke lol. Your dreams are likely to fail, the fact that you worked hard simply acts as consolation :))", ">\n\nThe greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.", ">\n\nPeople still believe everything the media puts out! The propaganda and distractions" ]