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[ "They also tend to be more religious, as well. Are we shocked or surprised by this? Is this unknown information?", ">\n\nI'm not. This is well documentated, they tend to be more religous and socially conservative than other democrats. They also oppose abortion at a higher rate.", ">\n\n\nsocially conservative than other democrats.\n\nAnd I suspect its because Black people overwhelmingly break for Democrats. Where a white conservative person would typically vote for a Republican, the Black Conservative person may STILL vote Democrat due to the rampant racism apparent in the Republican party. \nIn other words, Black people aren't more conservative as a whole, they are just more Conservative when only looking at Democrats. (I would love to see actual data to back up this suspicion of mine)", ">\n\nIt's unlikely to be identical, since racial inequality leads to different racial balances among groups like academia and rural labor that tend to heavily influence political leanings. \nEither way, the reality is that the Republicans could pick up more votes by shifting to oppose racism but favor religious discrimination more highly.", ">\n\nBut then they’d lose the votes of the poor whites who don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy but do care about racism. So would it really be a net gain in votes?", ">\n\nThe trick is, most of those people also favor religious discrimination.", ">\n\nBut how many of them care about religious discrimination more than racial discrimination? It can’t be all of them.", ">\n\n.... a lot of them. It's not ok to say racist shit in polite company but it's absolutely OK to most people in most situations to say if people don't accept Jesus they'll rot in Hell.", ">\n\nNot really surprising if a person has spent any time hanging out with Black Democrats, or just a lot of Black people in general. Worth pointing out though that imho you’d have seen these same results probably if you asked about marriage equality 15 years ago.", ">\n\nI remember reading exactly this about marriage equality 15 years ago. If I recall correctly, most demographic groups had kind of the same breakdown as far as for/against, except Jewish people skewed heavily in favor of marriage equality and black people skewed against marriage equality. I was kind of surprised at the black part back then, but it made me not surprised at this headline today.", ">\n\nTrust me, not all other non-black democrats have the same views on this stuff either.", ">\n\nBut does that translate into them wanting to legislate it", ">\n\n\\^This. Personal beliefs don't always translate into policy preferences. White evangelicals are the group that seems most likely to just treat it as a given that their individual religious beliefs NEED to be codified into law.", ">\n\nYep.\nTheres a difference between being uncomfortable with something, thinking its strange, thinking its not in line with your beliefs etc and actively wanting the law to get involved.", ">\n\nAs a black person, particularly an atheist city-dweller, this is where I experience the greatest schism with my own community. In my mind, there are precisely zero differences between our own struggles for civil rights and those of the LBGTQ community. We should be holding hands in our fights against marginalization, not flirting with religiosity and conservative politics.\nI think it's a shame that black people cling to the white man's religion in the first place, but to follow it to the extent that you can't identify with those suffering right alongside you... Especially when the Black gay community is so fucking inventive and imitated (house music, fashion trends, slang, etc...), you'd think there'd be more acceptance.", ">\n\nI’d like your opinion on something I can’t quite fully wrap my head around. \nI’m also athiest, and pretty far on the progressive side of things generally. I fully support equality for the LBGTQ community. \nI’ve tried asking this question before and just get immediately slammed as a right wing shill. But I have a decade of comments people can check to be sure that’s not the case. \nI truly want to be an ally for trans people. I ask this question so that I can confidently support the community. \nIn your mind, is it different for someone born with XY chromosomes and male body parts to identify as a woman than a white girl like Rachel Dolezal to identify as black?\nI have a very hard time differentiating between those two scenarios and thought maybe you could help me out.", ">\n\nSee? This is the only answer I ever get. \nI’m being 100% authentic. If someone can’t lay out an answer for someone literally begging to be on the correct side of things, how do you expect to have this conversation with someone who is resistant to the idea? \nThere is no trap. Just try to answer the question clearly. \nTo me it’s a hard one and I’d like an answer that makes sense.", ">\n\nr/onejoke moment lol", ">\n\nHow do I talk to my bigoted uncles when they say this? I sincerely can’t get any help on the topic because all I get are empty YOU’RE JUST WRONG replies. \nI suspect it’s because you don’t have an answer to the question and are just as confused about it as I am but you don’t want to admit it. \nPlease prove me wrong.", ">\n\nDude, it’s in like every basic college text on the science of gender now - not only the answer you were given about brain structure, there are tons of other rare chromosomal configurations that give rise to mixtures of sex characteristics that combine typical male or female characteristics in various ways - not to mention intersex people exist who are born with genitals that aren’t clearly a penis or a vulva. On top of all of this you have tons of sociological research and studies, and queer theory, about the socialization of gender norms, the way they vary wildly across cultures, and shift over time in the same cultures - leading one to realize that gender expression is, for the most part, performative - through fashion choices and communication styles, and not related to one’s sex characteristics so much as their socialization. As such people have every right to express their gender however they feel like. Just do your own homework and read a chapter from a gender studies textbook. It’ll take you an hour at most.\nThat is, if you actually care that much about the topic as you seem to.", ">\n\nNot really shocking. The black community has historically been less accepting of the LGBTQ community. I think this has a lot to do with the role religion plays in much of the community", ">\n\nReligion is just a factor, if anything it’s just a portion of the trauma black Americans still suffer from due to slavery which contributes to current homophobia. I say this because even in non-religious black households (post black boomers) there’s still a high level of anti-LGBT rhetoric. (Side note: these non-religious black households I speak of also make more than 75k per year where I’m at so it could also be a socioeconomic “keeping up with the jones” thing as well)", ">\n\nWhat's the impetus for that anti-LGBTQ sentiment absent religion?", ">\n\nA lot of black people would vote Republican if Republicans weren’t intentionally and obviously anti-black.", ">\n\nRepublicans aren’t anti black, they just don’t kiss their ass like the Dems do", ">\n\nCome to the south lol. They hate us", ">\n\nFor real. I am a white guy living in the south. The absolutely vile shit that I’ve heard over the years because they think I’m “safe” is insane.", ">\n\nMy dad had a conversation with the sheriff of a local county who wouldn't stop saying the N word. It was clear he felt he was \"safe\". People still hold these beliefs they just keep quiet until they get alone with someone they think thinks the same things they do.", ">\n\nWhenever people assume black people are very progressive I just think they don’t actually know that many black people.", ">\n\nI get why politicians lean in to the trans issue in a negative way, because it’s a hot-button topic that whips up a base. What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit whether or not someone else identifies as a different gender. What’s the problem here? It took all of 10 minutes of googling to understand that I’m a white cis male, and that other people may or may not identify as such. Boom. Done. I learned something new and now other people hopefully feel more comfortable around me. Why is denying trans rights a hill that so many people are willing to die on?!", ">\n\nThe reason it’s an issue is because it affects public policy about access to things based upon gender. It also significantly affects how this stuff is talked about with kids and supersedes parenting in many cases. It affects parents who would rather their kids think that gender is not selectable when you have a public school curriculum that is fine with telling them it is, people who don’t like transgender people get upset because it’s affecting the control they have over their families, upbringing and values.", ">\n\nIt likely is having very little effect on their families and I imagine few of them are actually exposed to it with any kind of regularity. Rather, they hear that it's some sort of big deal from Fox News and others and so they believe it.\nTransgender people in women's sports? There are only a handful of instances of this being an issue across the entire country.\nPublic school curriculum? In most places will have absolutely zero lessons regarding this topic.", ">\n\nYou’re describing things that are currently changing. There is far more than a handful of women in men’s sports in high schools. I don’t really care about that issue. A huge portion of trans rights is having trans representation in sex education. As there should be, if society is to be respectful to this. So what you’re currently describing is the state of affairs that the success of trans rights and gender fluidity recognition intends to change. The conservative reaction is to that.", ">\n\n\nThe conservative reaction is to that.\n\nThe conservative reaction is to trans people existing. American conservatives have been fighting a culture war since 1960, continuously, and they just mad lib in words from today. The actual target doesn't really matter. What matters is that there is a target.", ">\n\nI’m referring to all the news stories that have come up in the past two years about trans people.", ">\n\nYes you're right, there are a great many of overblown fear-mongering articles about trans folks coming out lately. As the poster above you said: there needs to be a target for hate, doesn't matter who.", ">\n\nYes, welcome to the past 30 years of LGBT electoral politics.", ">\n\nThere’s a ton of homophobic and transphobia in the black community and it’s weird it’s not brought up more often", ">\n\nYes. Black trans women are the most targeted minority there is. \nYou’d think always being a target of bigotry and hate, that you wouldn’t pass that on.", ">\n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n-Lyndon B. Johnson\nReplace white with black and 'colored' with Trans and you got a new working recipe. Nobody is immune to prejudice, its just with black people the irony is extremely noticable. Theres no reason black people wouldn't be susceptable to the same ploy as white people.", ">\n\nTrue.", ">\n\nSomething like 90 percent of black people vote Democrat compared to something like 40 percent of white people.\nIf you compare 90 percent of any population to the most liberal 40 percent of any other population it'd be mind blowing if the larger group wasn't more conservative. \nThis is a bit like being dismayed to discover that 50 percent of school children have below average intelligence.", ">\n\nThis is like no shit Sherlock moment. It’s known that homophobia and transphobia is large in the black community so this would be reflected in the democratically elected people of that community. Like a problem sure but not a surprising one.", ">\n\nWork in healthcare. Almost all anti-vax staff (that I know of) were black. Especially the religious, older generation. \nI know there is a long historical reason for their believes but its still a noticable pattern.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. I live in a deep blue neighborhood with a lot of black and Hispanic individuals, and they generally don't get along with (or are neutral towards) the LGBTQ+ community. There's also a lot of \"anti race mixing\" type drama against interracial couples (like a black and white couple having a light-skinned black kid).\nThe younger 20-something ones are very far left, though. One young black man was going door to door supporting a petition for UBI and a $20/hour minimum wage in California that most people in the apartment complex I live in (including myself) signed, I had a really cool discussion with him (he put me on the idea of constitutionally guaranteed housing). It's mostly the older ones that are still center-right.", ">\n\nA lot of Black people are actually pretty socially conservative, my family included. Kind of ironic that Republicans could have a real untapped voting block if they weren't so vehemently dedicated to racist pandering.", ">\n\nYou mean the big tent party is not a monolith? 😱", ">\n\nWasn't there something unusual that happened in California regarding a proposition on gay marriage at the same time Obama was on the ballot that ties into this idea?", ">\n\nAnd shockingly, their personal opinions DONT carry so much hate with them, that they’re willing to vote against their own best interests to ensure we all know who they hate.\nGive me more groups of people who are uninterested in the coming and going’s of another group and are just willing to vote for the greater good, I’ll take that. \nPlenty of white democrat voters dont grasp the extent at which black people are still unfairly treated in the US. They still vote for the people who do, because ultimately… the greater good.\nHere is an alternate headline: Black Democrats overwhelmingly prove they’re willing to protect the rights of others, even when they admittedly don’t understand them.", ">\n\nThis. This right here exactly. Voting from spite seems to be unique to white conservatives.", ">\n\nUh yeah, democrats are a coalition, not really an ideology", ">\n\nI'll get down voted for this but who cares, this is not an important issue. We need to focus on class solidarity rather than culture war topics that effect .5% of the population. Yes it's transphobic , but these talking points are a smoke screen used to divide us proletariate against each other. Our wealth has been and continues to be stolen from us by the one percent. We are under constant class warfare and we fight amongst ourselves. First we need to raise the floor, and create a more egalitarian society: one in which there is equality of opportunity, one in which we have our basic needs met for, and one in which we earn our proper share of the wealth we create. Once we achieve these goals literacy, empathy, and cultural tolerance will floresh; but we need to focus on the fight that is in front of us that effects the majority, the proletariate, first.", ">\n\nI agree with the need for class solidarity. We need to desperately address wealth inequality and fight the rich. However, Republicans are committing genocide against transgender people. You might see that word in my previous sentence, “genocide”, and say to yourself, “she’s just being dramatic, the Republicans are just passing reasonable, common-sense medical restrictions on a fringe group of weirdos”. \nFrom the United Nations:\nIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:\n1.) Killing members of the group;\n2.) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;\n3.) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;\n4.) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;\n5.) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group\n——-\n1.) Transgender people are frequently murdered. \n2.) Transgender people are frequently “legislative refugees”, and are leaving deep red states as quick as they can (if they can afford to), while the laws dictating how old you can be to transition looks like they’re gonna aim to raise it from 21 to 26 this year. One such law is called the “Millstone Act”. That’s only gonna increase. \n3.) Red states don’t cover trans health care, leaving trans people poorer than cis people. \n4.) HRT frequently sterilizes trans people, but for those that remain fertile, some countries have enforced sterilization. \n5.) Step right up and watch Texas investigate the parents of trans kids for child abuse using CPS..\nYou don’t need to even meet all the qualifications of genocide for it to BE genocide. So any time I see a Democrat say “we need to say, ‘fuck trans people, we need to focus on more important things’, I say:\nHow will history judge you for standing aside and letting this happen? Will they understand in fifty years why you had to let one of our most vulnerable minority groups be fed to the wolves to pass a legislative agenda? In a hundred?", ">\n\nNo I understand all that let me be clear, I am addressing the title of the article. I don't think addressing the transphobia of poor black people should come before addressing the material inequality that black people are subjected to. If we address these issues first then what will follow is a more educated and empathetic people. Right now people are experiencing food and housing insecurity or at the very the threat of this. Wages are stagnant, and the police state is growing in it's power and reach while being routinely championed by media. A lot of Americans do not have the time, education, or luxury to worry about a virtually invisible minority. I agree that conservatives are monsters but articles like this just exist to divide us. \nI am not saying we should not be using the law to protect people, I agree with this. I just don't think we need neo liberal articles trying to point fingers at an already marginalized group of people and saying they are part of the problem.", ">\n\nI agree that we need to address material inequality over the feelings of a demographic.\nI just also believe that the “virtually invisible minority” needs to be saved from the opposition’s efforts to kill them all. Of course, as a trans person myself, I vote Democrat. If the Republican Party platform was pro-trans (somehow) and they still held all their current positions otherwise, I would still vote Democrat, because opposition to the science of climate change, systemic inequality, racism, xenophobia, and rampant narcissism are still not qualities I look for in a leader.\nTL;DR version: article is garbage trying to fan the flames of contention, hurting trans people is GOP priority #1 and I wish Democrats would stand with us the way we stand with them.", ">\n\nMaybe the real goal should be to try not to fit all Black Democrats or all Black people into boxes. The word monolith gets tossed around a lot as a bad thing, and it is, but it still seems to be the thing pollsters try to create and pretend that they have identified.", ">\n\nSure, but that isn’t an exclusively black democrat or black people problem. Society puts people into boxes all the time I.e. conservatives are xyz, democrats are xyz, white America has an xyz problem, etc.", ">\n\nThis seems like it should be the #1 priority in messaging. Draw parallels between minority issues and gay rights. Introduce your gay selves to black people so they can see you're not that different.\nFixing this now would be ideal.", ">\n\nAs a very liberal black person, let me just say: duh", ">\n\nIsn’t the black community known for being pretty homophobic in general? I thought that was common knowledge?", ">\n\nBig difference between personal morality and wanting to impose your religious values on everyone else through government. Black Christians fundamentally understand tolerance doesn't necessarily mean approval. That's a level of maturity the far right and far left haven't achieved.", ">\n\nThose last two sentences need to be said waaaay more", ">\n\nBlack Americans sre Christians, the great enigma.", ">\n\nMany younger ones are not as religious as their parents.", ">\n\nHomophobia in the black community? Stoppp", ">\n\nIf Republican’s were not openly racist at least 1/2 of African Americans would vote for them. But Republicans would lose 2/3’s of whites who would start voting by class, so Republican’s cultivate and maintain racist values in the party.", ">\n\nOf course they do. Uneducated black people and uneducated white people are the same. Skin color plays no role. Bigoted regressive views are to be expected.", ">\n\nIt's not surprising. The monolithic portion of the black community in the US is rife with toxic masculinity.\nThat's sad is that all those Trans people really just want to exist. Imagine the pettiness required to say to someone \"You can't do this thing that will help make you whole because I don't feel like having to think about it.\".\nBut that war's already lost. Trans acceptance is only going to increase, and eventually it'll be mundane, and people will look back and wonder why people were so backward.", ">\n\nThis is because the black community is more religious feels that the black family unit has taken serious damage from the War in Drugs, Mass incarceration, Systemic racism etc.\nThis is coming from an entirely different place than what we are seeing in the GOP, and is not necessarily indicative of the same anti-LGBTQ+ bullshit that is taking place on that side of the isle.\nHowever, the black community will continue to support democrats for the time being, because the overwhelming consensus is that the brand of conservatism that is currently ruling the GOP is the main threat that has hurt them in the first place for decades.", ">\n\nIt's also indiscriminate, no matter what sides Black Americans fall on there's something that party has done to make their lives worse.", ">\n\nThere is a fault line within the Democratic party. Black democrats are ready to split not just on transgender issues but also inclusivity of other minorities.\nSome of the chief plaintiffs in the affirmative action case before the SC are Asian Americans, not because they opposed Black students getting extra points compared to White students but because Asian students had admission points deducted from them for being Asian. There are deep fissures between Jewish Americans and African Americans as well. \nA decent candidate running on black liberation theology could easily spoil a democratic presidency in 2024.", ">\n\nHoly shit this is pure uncut hopium. \nDifference in opinion and attitudes isn’t a sign of impending conflict. Hell, even if it were, it really speaks to how much those voting blocks hate Republicans. \nI know, I know, I know, Kanye could do it or whatever, it’s ok.", ">\n\nDo you really think the long standing issues between these minority groups is really due to a difference of opinion? A Farrakhan type or endorsed candidate could easily spoil a tight election in 2024. They would likely need less than 2 percent of the vote in certain swing states. Biden already has declining approval among Black Americans. The bifurcated American Politics of \"Left vs. Right\" doesn't reflect reality.", ">\n\nIt reflects election results though. \nEvery voting block could break itself into atomized parties. You simultaneously believe these voting blocks don’t know their party doesn’t represent their objectives to the degree they would like. While also, believing these voters would form a new party when they realize that? \nYou’re just wish-casting a scenario where Kanye is politically viable. You can present it in the most mealy mouthed way possible, it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting at.", ">\n\nI'm not and zero. Index funds only for this guy.", ">\n\nAh so you don't even yield to the pretense of being okay with gay people", ">\n\nWhat are you talking about? I'm a gay man.", ">\n\nI'm a white male democrat in the south. I think sex is assigned at birth but gender is a social construct. Someone can be genetically male but feel like a female and it doesn't hurt me to call them her if that's what she wants to be called. It takes zero effort to be kind. \nNow the whole sports issue is valid imo but Republicans use it on bad faith arguments. The issue is complicated but just call people what they want to be called. It's not hard.", ">\n\nThere’s a difference between call people what they want and hate speech laws though. And that’s not even close to where the political issue stops.", ">\n\nWhat are you even on about. I'm talking about day to day interactions with trans people. I don't think I said anything wrong?", ">\n\nI don’t think you said anything wrong either. And i largely agree on the day to day interaction side. What I’m saying is that isn’t where any of this stops.", ">\n\nWell im 30 and just came out as gay to my first person. I just recently accepted it myself. So I'm still trying to learn and grow as a person. It's hard being from the deep south and not knowing any of this.", ">\n\nDont use this to divide. Most of you regardless of your background have deeply transphobic views. No community but our own is safe for us.", ">\n\nIs that a helpful comment, to accuse \"most\" of wholesale transphobia?", ">\n\nHow could you possibly come to the conclusion that the purpose of this poll is \"to try to invalidate trans identities\"?", ">\n\nIt's almost like they have larger issues to deal with...", ">\n\nyep, gop could 100% steal most of the black vote if they weren't racists", ">\n\nChristianity is a regressive force.", ">\n\ntruth", ">\n\nGood thing there’s no poor white people. Otherwise they could use this excuse too", ">\n\nI'll bet poor white people don't give af about pronouns either..", ">\n\nThat’s the point - it’s not an excuse…\nJust like being poor isn’t an excuse for being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc", ">\n\nWe see this play out regularly in Democratic primaries every four years. The Republican's social conservatism is extreme. Sometimes they make a half-hearted effort to appeal to black religious conservatives. They get very poor results. However, if Democrats nominate a white social liberal, black turnout could suffer. I hope we are spared an ugly future fight between Kamala Harris and someone like Buttigieg. The nominating process is too often a popularity contest. Democrats need to nominate someone who can win a general election. If you happen to like the strongest general election candidate, great. If we nominate the weaker candidate because they are more \"likeable,\" they will often lose a general election to the Republican.\nEdit: If you don't understand nuance, I need to state--This is only an opinion. It does not mean I like it.", ">\n\nI too hope Kamala and Pete are not our only options.", ">\n\nThe names were only used as an example. I fear that the primary voters will find a way to fuck it up, regardless of the candidates.", ">\n\nLet’s remember that Biden has been pretty clear in his support of trans people and was chosen by conservative black voters in SC. People are capable of choosing people they mostly agree with or think will be a good leader even if they don’t agree on all issues. I disagree with Biden on tons of stuff and did not vote for him in the primary, but he has been a very effective president. What this poll shows is that a lot of education is needed in all the communities surveyed and that will take time.", ">\n\nWhat a shock black people can be bigots too no matter how much they try and claim they can't be because of oppression.", ">\n\nYou cannot demand equality when it comes to race and and ethnicity and at the same time discriminate when it comes to sexual preference and identity. At least not if you're an honest, respectable person with integrity.", ">\n\nyou use 'can' in a descriptive way, I use it in a normative way", ">\n\nI see A LOT of white people talking about black folks in here.\nAnd there are A LOT of ASSUMPTIONS and GENERALIZATIONS too.\nSmh", ">\n\nHow exactly do you see a lot of skin color in an online forum with anonymous usernames and no avatars or personal photos?", ">\n\nMaybe I should correct myself and say a lot of NON BLACK people.\nI think it's pretty clear based on how people are speaking here.... \nBlack people are not some monolith group that can be categorized as such. We're ALL individuals with our own beliefs, values, and experiences.\nYet, I'm reading comments here saying \" Well no surprise, black people are pretty religious\".\" Black people are very socially conservative.\" \" Black people would vote Republican if it weren't obvious that they hated them\" ETC.\nExcuse me but wtf? To me at least as an obvious black person who isn't afraid to share their racial identity in this space, I know EXACTLY how non black people talk about us. Black people never generalize the group or other blacks like what's being said here.\nThe reality is most Black people are just as varied and diverse as anyone else in reality. And these generalizations aren't the answer at all.\nThe real answer to this question is that gender isn't a social construct, it's a reality. Blacks, having experienced 400 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow, having literally everything else as far as identity taken away from them KNOW this is fact. \nA man is a man and a woman is a woman no matter how you slice it. And there are natural differences within them both physiological and psychological and that is just the very genetic essence of the species.... (Yeah hermaphrodites exist but they are anomalies of nature that often die off fast and are infertile).\nWith that said, everyone can choose to do whatever and live life the way they want socially. But that doesn't change reality itself. And I think that's where A LOT of others get things mixed up.\nNow why is any of this relevant to me? Because I'm an agnostic and socially liberal black person, yet I still hold this belief despite it being considered \"conservative\" by folks here. And I'm FAR from the only black person who has commented here that breaks the highly upvoted generalization commented in this sub.\nAnd no, I have no interest in making legislation to hurt anyone. And to even see any comments even suggesting this idea, totally disregarding the history of American blacks as a suppressed and disenfranchised group is disgusting and laughable. \nThe vast majority of black folks, regardless of how religious or not or how liberal or conservative have absolutely no interest in hurting other people through legislation.....Come on...\nThere is so much groupthink here that any time that something doesn't fall in line with how people are TOLD to view things, that it's immediately viewed as a negative or a problem instead of what it really is, just a difference....", ">\n\nUnderstood. I see what you mean in that case. It’s very similar to those who commented on the midterms about the Hispanic/Mexican/Cuban voting bloc and how there is a Republican shift happening. But instead of looking at the voting results they attempted to make correlations with cause.", ">\n\nYet, Black people vote for Dems at higher rates than any other race. I’d say surveyors and pollsters might need to update their methodology.", ">\n\nPeople can believe this and not vote to discriminate against LBGTQ people.", ">\n\nI never understood how people can get so wrapped up in semantics. \nWe previously used sex and gender interchangeably, which wasn't really correct. Now, the two words are finally being used in the correct way: One is biological XX/XY and the other is a social definition. \nIt's as simple as that. JFC. Neither me or any of my liberal friends have any difficulty over this or are offended in any manner by saying there is a biological chromosomal sex difference. IT IS annoying when (predominantly right wing) people interchange the two words out of ignorance and then berate us for it. Yes, there can be many genders. No, there is only two sexes. Get over it. Stop your BS, dog whistle, victim mentality, fake culture war.", ">\n\nIt says Sex on my drivers license but people still want to put whatever letter they want. It’s not at all as simple as that.", ">\n\nThis is framing it wrong.\nThe better question is: why do you care?", ">\n\nWhy do you care is one of the most annoying arguments used in politics today", ">\n\nExactly. (Ask melania trump.)", ">\n\nQuestion, what is the breakdown of demographics by age of these black democrats? Are young black people more or less likely to be democrats / independents / or republicans? That was my immediate question, but i am also curious if black democrats support or oppose complete bans on transgender people. My assumption are that black democrats are a) older than other democrats (and thus more likely to be influenced by religion and prior social norms) b) more socially conservative c) disenfranchised (to the point that democratic messaging about transgender people directed towards them is non-existent).", ">\n\nNot really that surprising.\nBlack culture is still fairly unaccepting of LGBT as a whole (*In America), it's an ongoing cultural issue that's slowly changing but will take time. \nIn reality if Republicans put some actual effort into not fucking over black communities for a generation they'd probably be more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.", ">\n\nFirst world problems lol", ">\n\nI think we need to have the conversation that is 100% not anyone's business except the individual as to how they describe themselves. Of course, we need to have the conversation with the individual that gender at birth matters for health reasons of course but otherwise gender is a social construct except for reasons of biology.\nThe fact we even have to be concerned with \"rights\" for those who consider themselves transgender shows that there are a lot of people out there who feel they have rights to how others besides themselves label themselves. This is a sad state of affairs and little more than people trying to control the experiences of others outside themselves.", ">\n\nSeems like a pretty broad statement to make based on only a small sunset surveyed.", ">\n\nBlack peoples position on abortions for trans people in Taiwan (not China) ...... Ya I'm not touching that topic with a 10.5ft pole", ">\n\nInteresting result and in some cases they will go main stream", ">\n\nPeople have a right to vote in what they think is correct and agreeable to their values.", ">\n\nTbh all this article has shown me is fuck Republicans.", ">\n\nThis will probably not get noticed, but there is something wrong with that first chart. No way White is 72% while Rep is only 13%. And you can’t get majority of total saying it’s birth gender when the breakdown of race shows all but black show indicating gender can change." ]

[ "They also tend to be more religious, as well. Are we shocked or surprised by this? Is this unknown information?", ">\n\nI'm not. This is well documentated, they tend to be more religous and socially conservative than other democrats. They also oppose abortion at a higher rate.", ">\n\n\nsocially conservative than other democrats.\n\nAnd I suspect its because Black people overwhelmingly break for Democrats. Where a white conservative person would typically vote for a Republican, the Black Conservative person may STILL vote Democrat due to the rampant racism apparent in the Republican party. \nIn other words, Black people aren't more conservative as a whole, they are just more Conservative when only looking at Democrats. (I would love to see actual data to back up this suspicion of mine)", ">\n\nIt's unlikely to be identical, since racial inequality leads to different racial balances among groups like academia and rural labor that tend to heavily influence political leanings. \nEither way, the reality is that the Republicans could pick up more votes by shifting to oppose racism but favor religious discrimination more highly.", ">\n\nBut then they’d lose the votes of the poor whites who don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy but do care about racism. So would it really be a net gain in votes?", ">\n\nThe trick is, most of those people also favor religious discrimination.", ">\n\nBut how many of them care about religious discrimination more than racial discrimination? It can’t be all of them.", ">\n\n.... a lot of them. It's not ok to say racist shit in polite company but it's absolutely OK to most people in most situations to say if people don't accept Jesus they'll rot in Hell.", ">\n\nNot really surprising if a person has spent any time hanging out with Black Democrats, or just a lot of Black people in general. Worth pointing out though that imho you’d have seen these same results probably if you asked about marriage equality 15 years ago.", ">\n\nI remember reading exactly this about marriage equality 15 years ago. If I recall correctly, most demographic groups had kind of the same breakdown as far as for/against, except Jewish people skewed heavily in favor of marriage equality and black people skewed against marriage equality. I was kind of surprised at the black part back then, but it made me not surprised at this headline today.", ">\n\nTrust me, not all other non-black democrats have the same views on this stuff either.", ">\n\nBut does that translate into them wanting to legislate it", ">\n\n\\^This. Personal beliefs don't always translate into policy preferences. White evangelicals are the group that seems most likely to just treat it as a given that their individual religious beliefs NEED to be codified into law.", ">\n\nYep.\nTheres a difference between being uncomfortable with something, thinking its strange, thinking its not in line with your beliefs etc and actively wanting the law to get involved.", ">\n\nAs a black person, particularly an atheist city-dweller, this is where I experience the greatest schism with my own community. In my mind, there are precisely zero differences between our own struggles for civil rights and those of the LBGTQ community. We should be holding hands in our fights against marginalization, not flirting with religiosity and conservative politics.\nI think it's a shame that black people cling to the white man's religion in the first place, but to follow it to the extent that you can't identify with those suffering right alongside you... Especially when the Black gay community is so fucking inventive and imitated (house music, fashion trends, slang, etc...), you'd think there'd be more acceptance.", ">\n\nI’d like your opinion on something I can’t quite fully wrap my head around. \nI’m also athiest, and pretty far on the progressive side of things generally. I fully support equality for the LBGTQ community. \nI’ve tried asking this question before and just get immediately slammed as a right wing shill. But I have a decade of comments people can check to be sure that’s not the case. \nI truly want to be an ally for trans people. I ask this question so that I can confidently support the community. \nIn your mind, is it different for someone born with XY chromosomes and male body parts to identify as a woman than a white girl like Rachel Dolezal to identify as black?\nI have a very hard time differentiating between those two scenarios and thought maybe you could help me out.", ">\n\nSee? This is the only answer I ever get. \nI’m being 100% authentic. If someone can’t lay out an answer for someone literally begging to be on the correct side of things, how do you expect to have this conversation with someone who is resistant to the idea? \nThere is no trap. Just try to answer the question clearly. \nTo me it’s a hard one and I’d like an answer that makes sense.", ">\n\nr/onejoke moment lol", ">\n\nHow do I talk to my bigoted uncles when they say this? I sincerely can’t get any help on the topic because all I get are empty YOU’RE JUST WRONG replies. \nI suspect it’s because you don’t have an answer to the question and are just as confused about it as I am but you don’t want to admit it. \nPlease prove me wrong.", ">\n\nDude, it’s in like every basic college text on the science of gender now - not only the answer you were given about brain structure, there are tons of other rare chromosomal configurations that give rise to mixtures of sex characteristics that combine typical male or female characteristics in various ways - not to mention intersex people exist who are born with genitals that aren’t clearly a penis or a vulva. On top of all of this you have tons of sociological research and studies, and queer theory, about the socialization of gender norms, the way they vary wildly across cultures, and shift over time in the same cultures - leading one to realize that gender expression is, for the most part, performative - through fashion choices and communication styles, and not related to one’s sex characteristics so much as their socialization. As such people have every right to express their gender however they feel like. Just do your own homework and read a chapter from a gender studies textbook. It’ll take you an hour at most.\nThat is, if you actually care that much about the topic as you seem to.", ">\n\nNot really shocking. The black community has historically been less accepting of the LGBTQ community. I think this has a lot to do with the role religion plays in much of the community", ">\n\nReligion is just a factor, if anything it’s just a portion of the trauma black Americans still suffer from due to slavery which contributes to current homophobia. I say this because even in non-religious black households (post black boomers) there’s still a high level of anti-LGBT rhetoric. (Side note: these non-religious black households I speak of also make more than 75k per year where I’m at so it could also be a socioeconomic “keeping up with the jones” thing as well)", ">\n\nWhat's the impetus for that anti-LGBTQ sentiment absent religion?", ">\n\nA lot of black people would vote Republican if Republicans weren’t intentionally and obviously anti-black.", ">\n\nRepublicans aren’t anti black, they just don’t kiss their ass like the Dems do", ">\n\nCome to the south lol. They hate us", ">\n\nFor real. I am a white guy living in the south. The absolutely vile shit that I’ve heard over the years because they think I’m “safe” is insane.", ">\n\nMy dad had a conversation with the sheriff of a local county who wouldn't stop saying the N word. It was clear he felt he was \"safe\". People still hold these beliefs they just keep quiet until they get alone with someone they think thinks the same things they do.", ">\n\nWhenever people assume black people are very progressive I just think they don’t actually know that many black people.", ">\n\nI get why politicians lean in to the trans issue in a negative way, because it’s a hot-button topic that whips up a base. What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit whether or not someone else identifies as a different gender. What’s the problem here? It took all of 10 minutes of googling to understand that I’m a white cis male, and that other people may or may not identify as such. Boom. Done. I learned something new and now other people hopefully feel more comfortable around me. Why is denying trans rights a hill that so many people are willing to die on?!", ">\n\nThe reason it’s an issue is because it affects public policy about access to things based upon gender. It also significantly affects how this stuff is talked about with kids and supersedes parenting in many cases. It affects parents who would rather their kids think that gender is not selectable when you have a public school curriculum that is fine with telling them it is, people who don’t like transgender people get upset because it’s affecting the control they have over their families, upbringing and values.", ">\n\nIt likely is having very little effect on their families and I imagine few of them are actually exposed to it with any kind of regularity. Rather, they hear that it's some sort of big deal from Fox News and others and so they believe it.\nTransgender people in women's sports? There are only a handful of instances of this being an issue across the entire country.\nPublic school curriculum? In most places will have absolutely zero lessons regarding this topic.", ">\n\nYou’re describing things that are currently changing. There is far more than a handful of women in men’s sports in high schools. I don’t really care about that issue. A huge portion of trans rights is having trans representation in sex education. As there should be, if society is to be respectful to this. So what you’re currently describing is the state of affairs that the success of trans rights and gender fluidity recognition intends to change. The conservative reaction is to that.", ">\n\n\nThe conservative reaction is to that.\n\nThe conservative reaction is to trans people existing. American conservatives have been fighting a culture war since 1960, continuously, and they just mad lib in words from today. The actual target doesn't really matter. What matters is that there is a target.", ">\n\nI’m referring to all the news stories that have come up in the past two years about trans people.", ">\n\nYes you're right, there are a great many of overblown fear-mongering articles about trans folks coming out lately. As the poster above you said: there needs to be a target for hate, doesn't matter who.", ">\n\nYes, welcome to the past 30 years of LGBT electoral politics.", ">\n\nThere’s a ton of homophobic and transphobia in the black community and it’s weird it’s not brought up more often", ">\n\nYes. Black trans women are the most targeted minority there is. \nYou’d think always being a target of bigotry and hate, that you wouldn’t pass that on.", ">\n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n-Lyndon B. Johnson\nReplace white with black and 'colored' with Trans and you got a new working recipe. Nobody is immune to prejudice, its just with black people the irony is extremely noticable. Theres no reason black people wouldn't be susceptable to the same ploy as white people.", ">\n\nTrue.", ">\n\nSomething like 90 percent of black people vote Democrat compared to something like 40 percent of white people.\nIf you compare 90 percent of any population to the most liberal 40 percent of any other population it'd be mind blowing if the larger group wasn't more conservative. \nThis is a bit like being dismayed to discover that 50 percent of school children have below average intelligence.", ">\n\nThis is like no shit Sherlock moment. It’s known that homophobia and transphobia is large in the black community so this would be reflected in the democratically elected people of that community. Like a problem sure but not a surprising one.", ">\n\nWork in healthcare. Almost all anti-vax staff (that I know of) were black. Especially the religious, older generation. \nI know there is a long historical reason for their believes but its still a noticable pattern.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. I live in a deep blue neighborhood with a lot of black and Hispanic individuals, and they generally don't get along with (or are neutral towards) the LGBTQ+ community. There's also a lot of \"anti race mixing\" type drama against interracial couples (like a black and white couple having a light-skinned black kid).\nThe younger 20-something ones are very far left, though. One young black man was going door to door supporting a petition for UBI and a $20/hour minimum wage in California that most people in the apartment complex I live in (including myself) signed, I had a really cool discussion with him (he put me on the idea of constitutionally guaranteed housing). It's mostly the older ones that are still center-right.", ">\n\nA lot of Black people are actually pretty socially conservative, my family included. Kind of ironic that Republicans could have a real untapped voting block if they weren't so vehemently dedicated to racist pandering.", ">\n\nYou mean the big tent party is not a monolith? 😱", ">\n\nWasn't there something unusual that happened in California regarding a proposition on gay marriage at the same time Obama was on the ballot that ties into this idea?", ">\n\nAnd shockingly, their personal opinions DONT carry so much hate with them, that they’re willing to vote against their own best interests to ensure we all know who they hate.\nGive me more groups of people who are uninterested in the coming and going’s of another group and are just willing to vote for the greater good, I’ll take that. \nPlenty of white democrat voters dont grasp the extent at which black people are still unfairly treated in the US. They still vote for the people who do, because ultimately… the greater good.\nHere is an alternate headline: Black Democrats overwhelmingly prove they’re willing to protect the rights of others, even when they admittedly don’t understand them.", ">\n\nThis. This right here exactly. Voting from spite seems to be unique to white conservatives.", ">\n\nUh yeah, democrats are a coalition, not really an ideology", ">\n\nI'll get down voted for this but who cares, this is not an important issue. We need to focus on class solidarity rather than culture war topics that effect .5% of the population. Yes it's transphobic , but these talking points are a smoke screen used to divide us proletariate against each other. Our wealth has been and continues to be stolen from us by the one percent. We are under constant class warfare and we fight amongst ourselves. First we need to raise the floor, and create a more egalitarian society: one in which there is equality of opportunity, one in which we have our basic needs met for, and one in which we earn our proper share of the wealth we create. Once we achieve these goals literacy, empathy, and cultural tolerance will floresh; but we need to focus on the fight that is in front of us that effects the majority, the proletariate, first.", ">\n\nI agree with the need for class solidarity. We need to desperately address wealth inequality and fight the rich. However, Republicans are committing genocide against transgender people. You might see that word in my previous sentence, “genocide”, and say to yourself, “she’s just being dramatic, the Republicans are just passing reasonable, common-sense medical restrictions on a fringe group of weirdos”. \nFrom the United Nations:\nIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:\n1.) Killing members of the group;\n2.) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;\n3.) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;\n4.) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;\n5.) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group\n——-\n1.) Transgender people are frequently murdered. \n2.) Transgender people are frequently “legislative refugees”, and are leaving deep red states as quick as they can (if they can afford to), while the laws dictating how old you can be to transition looks like they’re gonna aim to raise it from 21 to 26 this year. One such law is called the “Millstone Act”. That’s only gonna increase. \n3.) Red states don’t cover trans health care, leaving trans people poorer than cis people. \n4.) HRT frequently sterilizes trans people, but for those that remain fertile, some countries have enforced sterilization. \n5.) Step right up and watch Texas investigate the parents of trans kids for child abuse using CPS..\nYou don’t need to even meet all the qualifications of genocide for it to BE genocide. So any time I see a Democrat say “we need to say, ‘fuck trans people, we need to focus on more important things’, I say:\nHow will history judge you for standing aside and letting this happen? Will they understand in fifty years why you had to let one of our most vulnerable minority groups be fed to the wolves to pass a legislative agenda? In a hundred?", ">\n\nNo I understand all that let me be clear, I am addressing the title of the article. I don't think addressing the transphobia of poor black people should come before addressing the material inequality that black people are subjected to. If we address these issues first then what will follow is a more educated and empathetic people. Right now people are experiencing food and housing insecurity or at the very the threat of this. Wages are stagnant, and the police state is growing in it's power and reach while being routinely championed by media. A lot of Americans do not have the time, education, or luxury to worry about a virtually invisible minority. I agree that conservatives are monsters but articles like this just exist to divide us. \nI am not saying we should not be using the law to protect people, I agree with this. I just don't think we need neo liberal articles trying to point fingers at an already marginalized group of people and saying they are part of the problem.", ">\n\nI agree that we need to address material inequality over the feelings of a demographic.\nI just also believe that the “virtually invisible minority” needs to be saved from the opposition’s efforts to kill them all. Of course, as a trans person myself, I vote Democrat. If the Republican Party platform was pro-trans (somehow) and they still held all their current positions otherwise, I would still vote Democrat, because opposition to the science of climate change, systemic inequality, racism, xenophobia, and rampant narcissism are still not qualities I look for in a leader.\nTL;DR version: article is garbage trying to fan the flames of contention, hurting trans people is GOP priority #1 and I wish Democrats would stand with us the way we stand with them.", ">\n\nMaybe the real goal should be to try not to fit all Black Democrats or all Black people into boxes. The word monolith gets tossed around a lot as a bad thing, and it is, but it still seems to be the thing pollsters try to create and pretend that they have identified.", ">\n\nSure, but that isn’t an exclusively black democrat or black people problem. Society puts people into boxes all the time I.e. conservatives are xyz, democrats are xyz, white America has an xyz problem, etc.", ">\n\nThis seems like it should be the #1 priority in messaging. Draw parallels between minority issues and gay rights. Introduce your gay selves to black people so they can see you're not that different.\nFixing this now would be ideal.", ">\n\nAs a very liberal black person, let me just say: duh", ">\n\nIsn’t the black community known for being pretty homophobic in general? I thought that was common knowledge?", ">\n\nBig difference between personal morality and wanting to impose your religious values on everyone else through government. Black Christians fundamentally understand tolerance doesn't necessarily mean approval. That's a level of maturity the far right and far left haven't achieved.", ">\n\nThose last two sentences need to be said waaaay more", ">\n\nBlack Americans sre Christians, the great enigma.", ">\n\nMany younger ones are not as religious as their parents.", ">\n\nHomophobia in the black community? Stoppp", ">\n\nIf Republican’s were not openly racist at least 1/2 of African Americans would vote for them. But Republicans would lose 2/3’s of whites who would start voting by class, so Republican’s cultivate and maintain racist values in the party.", ">\n\nOf course they do. Uneducated black people and uneducated white people are the same. Skin color plays no role. Bigoted regressive views are to be expected.", ">\n\nIt's not surprising. The monolithic portion of the black community in the US is rife with toxic masculinity.\nThat's sad is that all those Trans people really just want to exist. Imagine the pettiness required to say to someone \"You can't do this thing that will help make you whole because I don't feel like having to think about it.\".\nBut that war's already lost. Trans acceptance is only going to increase, and eventually it'll be mundane, and people will look back and wonder why people were so backward.", ">\n\nThis is because the black community is more religious feels that the black family unit has taken serious damage from the War in Drugs, Mass incarceration, Systemic racism etc.\nThis is coming from an entirely different place than what we are seeing in the GOP, and is not necessarily indicative of the same anti-LGBTQ+ bullshit that is taking place on that side of the isle.\nHowever, the black community will continue to support democrats for the time being, because the overwhelming consensus is that the brand of conservatism that is currently ruling the GOP is the main threat that has hurt them in the first place for decades.", ">\n\nIt's also indiscriminate, no matter what sides Black Americans fall on there's something that party has done to make their lives worse.", ">\n\nThere is a fault line within the Democratic party. Black democrats are ready to split not just on transgender issues but also inclusivity of other minorities.\nSome of the chief plaintiffs in the affirmative action case before the SC are Asian Americans, not because they opposed Black students getting extra points compared to White students but because Asian students had admission points deducted from them for being Asian. There are deep fissures between Jewish Americans and African Americans as well. \nA decent candidate running on black liberation theology could easily spoil a democratic presidency in 2024.", ">\n\nHoly shit this is pure uncut hopium. \nDifference in opinion and attitudes isn’t a sign of impending conflict. Hell, even if it were, it really speaks to how much those voting blocks hate Republicans. \nI know, I know, I know, Kanye could do it or whatever, it’s ok.", ">\n\nDo you really think the long standing issues between these minority groups is really due to a difference of opinion? A Farrakhan type or endorsed candidate could easily spoil a tight election in 2024. They would likely need less than 2 percent of the vote in certain swing states. Biden already has declining approval among Black Americans. The bifurcated American Politics of \"Left vs. Right\" doesn't reflect reality.", ">\n\nIt reflects election results though. \nEvery voting block could break itself into atomized parties. You simultaneously believe these voting blocks don’t know their party doesn’t represent their objectives to the degree they would like. While also, believing these voters would form a new party when they realize that? \nYou’re just wish-casting a scenario where Kanye is politically viable. You can present it in the most mealy mouthed way possible, it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting at.", ">\n\nI'm not and zero. Index funds only for this guy.", ">\n\nAh so you don't even yield to the pretense of being okay with gay people", ">\n\nWhat are you talking about? I'm a gay man.", ">\n\nI'm a white male democrat in the south. I think sex is assigned at birth but gender is a social construct. Someone can be genetically male but feel like a female and it doesn't hurt me to call them her if that's what she wants to be called. It takes zero effort to be kind. \nNow the whole sports issue is valid imo but Republicans use it on bad faith arguments. The issue is complicated but just call people what they want to be called. It's not hard.", ">\n\nThere’s a difference between call people what they want and hate speech laws though. And that’s not even close to where the political issue stops.", ">\n\nWhat are you even on about. I'm talking about day to day interactions with trans people. I don't think I said anything wrong?", ">\n\nI don’t think you said anything wrong either. And i largely agree on the day to day interaction side. What I’m saying is that isn’t where any of this stops.", ">\n\nWell im 30 and just came out as gay to my first person. I just recently accepted it myself. So I'm still trying to learn and grow as a person. It's hard being from the deep south and not knowing any of this.", ">\n\nDont use this to divide. Most of you regardless of your background have deeply transphobic views. No community but our own is safe for us.", ">\n\nIs that a helpful comment, to accuse \"most\" of wholesale transphobia?", ">\n\nHow could you possibly come to the conclusion that the purpose of this poll is \"to try to invalidate trans identities\"?", ">\n\nIt's almost like they have larger issues to deal with...", ">\n\nyep, gop could 100% steal most of the black vote if they weren't racists", ">\n\nChristianity is a regressive force.", ">\n\ntruth", ">\n\nGood thing there’s no poor white people. Otherwise they could use this excuse too", ">\n\nI'll bet poor white people don't give af about pronouns either..", ">\n\nThat’s the point - it’s not an excuse…\nJust like being poor isn’t an excuse for being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc", ">\n\nWe see this play out regularly in Democratic primaries every four years. The Republican's social conservatism is extreme. Sometimes they make a half-hearted effort to appeal to black religious conservatives. They get very poor results. However, if Democrats nominate a white social liberal, black turnout could suffer. I hope we are spared an ugly future fight between Kamala Harris and someone like Buttigieg. The nominating process is too often a popularity contest. Democrats need to nominate someone who can win a general election. If you happen to like the strongest general election candidate, great. If we nominate the weaker candidate because they are more \"likeable,\" they will often lose a general election to the Republican.\nEdit: If you don't understand nuance, I need to state--This is only an opinion. It does not mean I like it.", ">\n\nI too hope Kamala and Pete are not our only options.", ">\n\nThe names were only used as an example. I fear that the primary voters will find a way to fuck it up, regardless of the candidates.", ">\n\nLet’s remember that Biden has been pretty clear in his support of trans people and was chosen by conservative black voters in SC. People are capable of choosing people they mostly agree with or think will be a good leader even if they don’t agree on all issues. I disagree with Biden on tons of stuff and did not vote for him in the primary, but he has been a very effective president. What this poll shows is that a lot of education is needed in all the communities surveyed and that will take time.", ">\n\nWhat a shock black people can be bigots too no matter how much they try and claim they can't be because of oppression.", ">\n\nYou cannot demand equality when it comes to race and and ethnicity and at the same time discriminate when it comes to sexual preference and identity. At least not if you're an honest, respectable person with integrity.", ">\n\nyou use 'can' in a descriptive way, I use it in a normative way", ">\n\nI see A LOT of white people talking about black folks in here.\nAnd there are A LOT of ASSUMPTIONS and GENERALIZATIONS too.\nSmh", ">\n\nHow exactly do you see a lot of skin color in an online forum with anonymous usernames and no avatars or personal photos?", ">\n\nMaybe I should correct myself and say a lot of NON BLACK people.\nI think it's pretty clear based on how people are speaking here.... \nBlack people are not some monolith group that can be categorized as such. We're ALL individuals with our own beliefs, values, and experiences.\nYet, I'm reading comments here saying \" Well no surprise, black people are pretty religious\".\" Black people are very socially conservative.\" \" Black people would vote Republican if it weren't obvious that they hated them\" ETC.\nExcuse me but wtf? To me at least as an obvious black person who isn't afraid to share their racial identity in this space, I know EXACTLY how non black people talk about us. Black people never generalize the group or other blacks like what's being said here.\nThe reality is most Black people are just as varied and diverse as anyone else in reality. And these generalizations aren't the answer at all.\nThe real answer to this question is that gender isn't a social construct, it's a reality. Blacks, having experienced 400 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow, having literally everything else as far as identity taken away from them KNOW this is fact. \nA man is a man and a woman is a woman no matter how you slice it. And there are natural differences within them both physiological and psychological and that is just the very genetic essence of the species.... (Yeah hermaphrodites exist but they are anomalies of nature that often die off fast and are infertile).\nWith that said, everyone can choose to do whatever and live life the way they want socially. But that doesn't change reality itself. And I think that's where A LOT of others get things mixed up.\nNow why is any of this relevant to me? Because I'm an agnostic and socially liberal black person, yet I still hold this belief despite it being considered \"conservative\" by folks here. And I'm FAR from the only black person who has commented here that breaks the highly upvoted generalization commented in this sub.\nAnd no, I have no interest in making legislation to hurt anyone. And to even see any comments even suggesting this idea, totally disregarding the history of American blacks as a suppressed and disenfranchised group is disgusting and laughable. \nThe vast majority of black folks, regardless of how religious or not or how liberal or conservative have absolutely no interest in hurting other people through legislation.....Come on...\nThere is so much groupthink here that any time that something doesn't fall in line with how people are TOLD to view things, that it's immediately viewed as a negative or a problem instead of what it really is, just a difference....", ">\n\nUnderstood. I see what you mean in that case. It’s very similar to those who commented on the midterms about the Hispanic/Mexican/Cuban voting bloc and how there is a Republican shift happening. But instead of looking at the voting results they attempted to make correlations with cause.", ">\n\nYet, Black people vote for Dems at higher rates than any other race. I’d say surveyors and pollsters might need to update their methodology.", ">\n\nPeople can believe this and not vote to discriminate against LBGTQ people.", ">\n\nI never understood how people can get so wrapped up in semantics. \nWe previously used sex and gender interchangeably, which wasn't really correct. Now, the two words are finally being used in the correct way: One is biological XX/XY and the other is a social definition. \nIt's as simple as that. JFC. Neither me or any of my liberal friends have any difficulty over this or are offended in any manner by saying there is a biological chromosomal sex difference. IT IS annoying when (predominantly right wing) people interchange the two words out of ignorance and then berate us for it. Yes, there can be many genders. No, there is only two sexes. Get over it. Stop your BS, dog whistle, victim mentality, fake culture war.", ">\n\nIt says Sex on my drivers license but people still want to put whatever letter they want. It’s not at all as simple as that.", ">\n\nThis is framing it wrong.\nThe better question is: why do you care?", ">\n\nWhy do you care is one of the most annoying arguments used in politics today", ">\n\nExactly. (Ask melania trump.)", ">\n\nQuestion, what is the breakdown of demographics by age of these black democrats? Are young black people more or less likely to be democrats / independents / or republicans? That was my immediate question, but i am also curious if black democrats support or oppose complete bans on transgender people. My assumption are that black democrats are a) older than other democrats (and thus more likely to be influenced by religion and prior social norms) b) more socially conservative c) disenfranchised (to the point that democratic messaging about transgender people directed towards them is non-existent).", ">\n\nNot really that surprising.\nBlack culture is still fairly unaccepting of LGBT as a whole (*In America), it's an ongoing cultural issue that's slowly changing but will take time. \nIn reality if Republicans put some actual effort into not fucking over black communities for a generation they'd probably be more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.", ">\n\nFirst world problems lol", ">\n\nI think we need to have the conversation that is 100% not anyone's business except the individual as to how they describe themselves. Of course, we need to have the conversation with the individual that gender at birth matters for health reasons of course but otherwise gender is a social construct except for reasons of biology.\nThe fact we even have to be concerned with \"rights\" for those who consider themselves transgender shows that there are a lot of people out there who feel they have rights to how others besides themselves label themselves. This is a sad state of affairs and little more than people trying to control the experiences of others outside themselves.", ">\n\nSeems like a pretty broad statement to make based on only a small sunset surveyed.", ">\n\nBlack peoples position on abortions for trans people in Taiwan (not China) ...... Ya I'm not touching that topic with a 10.5ft pole", ">\n\nInteresting result and in some cases they will go main stream", ">\n\nPeople have a right to vote in what they think is correct and agreeable to their values.", ">\n\nTbh all this article has shown me is fuck Republicans.", ">\n\nThis will probably not get noticed, but there is something wrong with that first chart. No way White is 72% while Rep is only 13%. And you can’t get majority of total saying it’s birth gender when the breakdown of race shows all but black show indicating gender can change.", ">\n\nThis is not new information, anyone who’s spent time around black democrats or black people and general will realize this" ]

[ "They also tend to be more religious, as well. Are we shocked or surprised by this? Is this unknown information?", ">\n\nI'm not. This is well documentated, they tend to be more religous and socially conservative than other democrats. They also oppose abortion at a higher rate.", ">\n\n\nsocially conservative than other democrats.\n\nAnd I suspect its because Black people overwhelmingly break for Democrats. Where a white conservative person would typically vote for a Republican, the Black Conservative person may STILL vote Democrat due to the rampant racism apparent in the Republican party. \nIn other words, Black people aren't more conservative as a whole, they are just more Conservative when only looking at Democrats. (I would love to see actual data to back up this suspicion of mine)", ">\n\nIt's unlikely to be identical, since racial inequality leads to different racial balances among groups like academia and rural labor that tend to heavily influence political leanings. \nEither way, the reality is that the Republicans could pick up more votes by shifting to oppose racism but favor religious discrimination more highly.", ">\n\nBut then they’d lose the votes of the poor whites who don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy but do care about racism. So would it really be a net gain in votes?", ">\n\nThe trick is, most of those people also favor religious discrimination.", ">\n\nBut how many of them care about religious discrimination more than racial discrimination? It can’t be all of them.", ">\n\n.... a lot of them. It's not ok to say racist shit in polite company but it's absolutely OK to most people in most situations to say if people don't accept Jesus they'll rot in Hell.", ">\n\nNot really surprising if a person has spent any time hanging out with Black Democrats, or just a lot of Black people in general. Worth pointing out though that imho you’d have seen these same results probably if you asked about marriage equality 15 years ago.", ">\n\nI remember reading exactly this about marriage equality 15 years ago. If I recall correctly, most demographic groups had kind of the same breakdown as far as for/against, except Jewish people skewed heavily in favor of marriage equality and black people skewed against marriage equality. I was kind of surprised at the black part back then, but it made me not surprised at this headline today.", ">\n\nTrust me, not all other non-black democrats have the same views on this stuff either.", ">\n\nBut does that translate into them wanting to legislate it", ">\n\n\\^This. Personal beliefs don't always translate into policy preferences. White evangelicals are the group that seems most likely to just treat it as a given that their individual religious beliefs NEED to be codified into law.", ">\n\nYep.\nTheres a difference between being uncomfortable with something, thinking its strange, thinking its not in line with your beliefs etc and actively wanting the law to get involved.", ">\n\nAs a black person, particularly an atheist city-dweller, this is where I experience the greatest schism with my own community. In my mind, there are precisely zero differences between our own struggles for civil rights and those of the LBGTQ community. We should be holding hands in our fights against marginalization, not flirting with religiosity and conservative politics.\nI think it's a shame that black people cling to the white man's religion in the first place, but to follow it to the extent that you can't identify with those suffering right alongside you... Especially when the Black gay community is so fucking inventive and imitated (house music, fashion trends, slang, etc...), you'd think there'd be more acceptance.", ">\n\nI’d like your opinion on something I can’t quite fully wrap my head around. \nI’m also athiest, and pretty far on the progressive side of things generally. I fully support equality for the LBGTQ community. \nI’ve tried asking this question before and just get immediately slammed as a right wing shill. But I have a decade of comments people can check to be sure that’s not the case. \nI truly want to be an ally for trans people. I ask this question so that I can confidently support the community. \nIn your mind, is it different for someone born with XY chromosomes and male body parts to identify as a woman than a white girl like Rachel Dolezal to identify as black?\nI have a very hard time differentiating between those two scenarios and thought maybe you could help me out.", ">\n\nSee? This is the only answer I ever get. \nI’m being 100% authentic. If someone can’t lay out an answer for someone literally begging to be on the correct side of things, how do you expect to have this conversation with someone who is resistant to the idea? \nThere is no trap. Just try to answer the question clearly. \nTo me it’s a hard one and I’d like an answer that makes sense.", ">\n\nr/onejoke moment lol", ">\n\nHow do I talk to my bigoted uncles when they say this? I sincerely can’t get any help on the topic because all I get are empty YOU’RE JUST WRONG replies. \nI suspect it’s because you don’t have an answer to the question and are just as confused about it as I am but you don’t want to admit it. \nPlease prove me wrong.", ">\n\nDude, it’s in like every basic college text on the science of gender now - not only the answer you were given about brain structure, there are tons of other rare chromosomal configurations that give rise to mixtures of sex characteristics that combine typical male or female characteristics in various ways - not to mention intersex people exist who are born with genitals that aren’t clearly a penis or a vulva. On top of all of this you have tons of sociological research and studies, and queer theory, about the socialization of gender norms, the way they vary wildly across cultures, and shift over time in the same cultures - leading one to realize that gender expression is, for the most part, performative - through fashion choices and communication styles, and not related to one’s sex characteristics so much as their socialization. As such people have every right to express their gender however they feel like. Just do your own homework and read a chapter from a gender studies textbook. It’ll take you an hour at most.\nThat is, if you actually care that much about the topic as you seem to.", ">\n\nNot really shocking. The black community has historically been less accepting of the LGBTQ community. I think this has a lot to do with the role religion plays in much of the community", ">\n\nReligion is just a factor, if anything it’s just a portion of the trauma black Americans still suffer from due to slavery which contributes to current homophobia. I say this because even in non-religious black households (post black boomers) there’s still a high level of anti-LGBT rhetoric. (Side note: these non-religious black households I speak of also make more than 75k per year where I’m at so it could also be a socioeconomic “keeping up with the jones” thing as well)", ">\n\nWhat's the impetus for that anti-LGBTQ sentiment absent religion?", ">\n\nA lot of black people would vote Republican if Republicans weren’t intentionally and obviously anti-black.", ">\n\nRepublicans aren’t anti black, they just don’t kiss their ass like the Dems do", ">\n\nCome to the south lol. They hate us", ">\n\nFor real. I am a white guy living in the south. The absolutely vile shit that I’ve heard over the years because they think I’m “safe” is insane.", ">\n\nMy dad had a conversation with the sheriff of a local county who wouldn't stop saying the N word. It was clear he felt he was \"safe\". People still hold these beliefs they just keep quiet until they get alone with someone they think thinks the same things they do.", ">\n\nWhenever people assume black people are very progressive I just think they don’t actually know that many black people.", ">\n\nI get why politicians lean in to the trans issue in a negative way, because it’s a hot-button topic that whips up a base. What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit whether or not someone else identifies as a different gender. What’s the problem here? It took all of 10 minutes of googling to understand that I’m a white cis male, and that other people may or may not identify as such. Boom. Done. I learned something new and now other people hopefully feel more comfortable around me. Why is denying trans rights a hill that so many people are willing to die on?!", ">\n\nThe reason it’s an issue is because it affects public policy about access to things based upon gender. It also significantly affects how this stuff is talked about with kids and supersedes parenting in many cases. It affects parents who would rather their kids think that gender is not selectable when you have a public school curriculum that is fine with telling them it is, people who don’t like transgender people get upset because it’s affecting the control they have over their families, upbringing and values.", ">\n\nIt likely is having very little effect on their families and I imagine few of them are actually exposed to it with any kind of regularity. Rather, they hear that it's some sort of big deal from Fox News and others and so they believe it.\nTransgender people in women's sports? There are only a handful of instances of this being an issue across the entire country.\nPublic school curriculum? In most places will have absolutely zero lessons regarding this topic.", ">\n\nYou’re describing things that are currently changing. There is far more than a handful of women in men’s sports in high schools. I don’t really care about that issue. A huge portion of trans rights is having trans representation in sex education. As there should be, if society is to be respectful to this. So what you’re currently describing is the state of affairs that the success of trans rights and gender fluidity recognition intends to change. The conservative reaction is to that.", ">\n\n\nThe conservative reaction is to that.\n\nThe conservative reaction is to trans people existing. American conservatives have been fighting a culture war since 1960, continuously, and they just mad lib in words from today. The actual target doesn't really matter. What matters is that there is a target.", ">\n\nI’m referring to all the news stories that have come up in the past two years about trans people.", ">\n\nYes you're right, there are a great many of overblown fear-mongering articles about trans folks coming out lately. As the poster above you said: there needs to be a target for hate, doesn't matter who.", ">\n\nYes, welcome to the past 30 years of LGBT electoral politics.", ">\n\nThere’s a ton of homophobic and transphobia in the black community and it’s weird it’s not brought up more often", ">\n\nYes. Black trans women are the most targeted minority there is. \nYou’d think always being a target of bigotry and hate, that you wouldn’t pass that on.", ">\n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n-Lyndon B. Johnson\nReplace white with black and 'colored' with Trans and you got a new working recipe. Nobody is immune to prejudice, its just with black people the irony is extremely noticable. Theres no reason black people wouldn't be susceptable to the same ploy as white people.", ">\n\nTrue.", ">\n\nSomething like 90 percent of black people vote Democrat compared to something like 40 percent of white people.\nIf you compare 90 percent of any population to the most liberal 40 percent of any other population it'd be mind blowing if the larger group wasn't more conservative. \nThis is a bit like being dismayed to discover that 50 percent of school children have below average intelligence.", ">\n\nThis is like no shit Sherlock moment. It’s known that homophobia and transphobia is large in the black community so this would be reflected in the democratically elected people of that community. Like a problem sure but not a surprising one.", ">\n\nWork in healthcare. Almost all anti-vax staff (that I know of) were black. Especially the religious, older generation. \nI know there is a long historical reason for their believes but its still a noticable pattern.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. I live in a deep blue neighborhood with a lot of black and Hispanic individuals, and they generally don't get along with (or are neutral towards) the LGBTQ+ community. There's also a lot of \"anti race mixing\" type drama against interracial couples (like a black and white couple having a light-skinned black kid).\nThe younger 20-something ones are very far left, though. One young black man was going door to door supporting a petition for UBI and a $20/hour minimum wage in California that most people in the apartment complex I live in (including myself) signed, I had a really cool discussion with him (he put me on the idea of constitutionally guaranteed housing). It's mostly the older ones that are still center-right.", ">\n\nA lot of Black people are actually pretty socially conservative, my family included. Kind of ironic that Republicans could have a real untapped voting block if they weren't so vehemently dedicated to racist pandering.", ">\n\nYou mean the big tent party is not a monolith? 😱", ">\n\nWasn't there something unusual that happened in California regarding a proposition on gay marriage at the same time Obama was on the ballot that ties into this idea?", ">\n\nAnd shockingly, their personal opinions DONT carry so much hate with them, that they’re willing to vote against their own best interests to ensure we all know who they hate.\nGive me more groups of people who are uninterested in the coming and going’s of another group and are just willing to vote for the greater good, I’ll take that. \nPlenty of white democrat voters dont grasp the extent at which black people are still unfairly treated in the US. They still vote for the people who do, because ultimately… the greater good.\nHere is an alternate headline: Black Democrats overwhelmingly prove they’re willing to protect the rights of others, even when they admittedly don’t understand them.", ">\n\nThis. This right here exactly. Voting from spite seems to be unique to white conservatives.", ">\n\nUh yeah, democrats are a coalition, not really an ideology", ">\n\nI'll get down voted for this but who cares, this is not an important issue. We need to focus on class solidarity rather than culture war topics that effect .5% of the population. Yes it's transphobic , but these talking points are a smoke screen used to divide us proletariate against each other. Our wealth has been and continues to be stolen from us by the one percent. We are under constant class warfare and we fight amongst ourselves. First we need to raise the floor, and create a more egalitarian society: one in which there is equality of opportunity, one in which we have our basic needs met for, and one in which we earn our proper share of the wealth we create. Once we achieve these goals literacy, empathy, and cultural tolerance will floresh; but we need to focus on the fight that is in front of us that effects the majority, the proletariate, first.", ">\n\nI agree with the need for class solidarity. We need to desperately address wealth inequality and fight the rich. However, Republicans are committing genocide against transgender people. You might see that word in my previous sentence, “genocide”, and say to yourself, “she’s just being dramatic, the Republicans are just passing reasonable, common-sense medical restrictions on a fringe group of weirdos”. \nFrom the United Nations:\nIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:\n1.) Killing members of the group;\n2.) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;\n3.) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;\n4.) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;\n5.) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group\n——-\n1.) Transgender people are frequently murdered. \n2.) Transgender people are frequently “legislative refugees”, and are leaving deep red states as quick as they can (if they can afford to), while the laws dictating how old you can be to transition looks like they’re gonna aim to raise it from 21 to 26 this year. One such law is called the “Millstone Act”. That’s only gonna increase. \n3.) Red states don’t cover trans health care, leaving trans people poorer than cis people. \n4.) HRT frequently sterilizes trans people, but for those that remain fertile, some countries have enforced sterilization. \n5.) Step right up and watch Texas investigate the parents of trans kids for child abuse using CPS..\nYou don’t need to even meet all the qualifications of genocide for it to BE genocide. So any time I see a Democrat say “we need to say, ‘fuck trans people, we need to focus on more important things’, I say:\nHow will history judge you for standing aside and letting this happen? Will they understand in fifty years why you had to let one of our most vulnerable minority groups be fed to the wolves to pass a legislative agenda? In a hundred?", ">\n\nNo I understand all that let me be clear, I am addressing the title of the article. I don't think addressing the transphobia of poor black people should come before addressing the material inequality that black people are subjected to. If we address these issues first then what will follow is a more educated and empathetic people. Right now people are experiencing food and housing insecurity or at the very the threat of this. Wages are stagnant, and the police state is growing in it's power and reach while being routinely championed by media. A lot of Americans do not have the time, education, or luxury to worry about a virtually invisible minority. I agree that conservatives are monsters but articles like this just exist to divide us. \nI am not saying we should not be using the law to protect people, I agree with this. I just don't think we need neo liberal articles trying to point fingers at an already marginalized group of people and saying they are part of the problem.", ">\n\nI agree that we need to address material inequality over the feelings of a demographic.\nI just also believe that the “virtually invisible minority” needs to be saved from the opposition’s efforts to kill them all. Of course, as a trans person myself, I vote Democrat. If the Republican Party platform was pro-trans (somehow) and they still held all their current positions otherwise, I would still vote Democrat, because opposition to the science of climate change, systemic inequality, racism, xenophobia, and rampant narcissism are still not qualities I look for in a leader.\nTL;DR version: article is garbage trying to fan the flames of contention, hurting trans people is GOP priority #1 and I wish Democrats would stand with us the way we stand with them.", ">\n\nMaybe the real goal should be to try not to fit all Black Democrats or all Black people into boxes. The word monolith gets tossed around a lot as a bad thing, and it is, but it still seems to be the thing pollsters try to create and pretend that they have identified.", ">\n\nSure, but that isn’t an exclusively black democrat or black people problem. Society puts people into boxes all the time I.e. conservatives are xyz, democrats are xyz, white America has an xyz problem, etc.", ">\n\nThis seems like it should be the #1 priority in messaging. Draw parallels between minority issues and gay rights. Introduce your gay selves to black people so they can see you're not that different.\nFixing this now would be ideal.", ">\n\nAs a very liberal black person, let me just say: duh", ">\n\nIsn’t the black community known for being pretty homophobic in general? I thought that was common knowledge?", ">\n\nBig difference between personal morality and wanting to impose your religious values on everyone else through government. Black Christians fundamentally understand tolerance doesn't necessarily mean approval. That's a level of maturity the far right and far left haven't achieved.", ">\n\nThose last two sentences need to be said waaaay more", ">\n\nBlack Americans sre Christians, the great enigma.", ">\n\nMany younger ones are not as religious as their parents.", ">\n\nHomophobia in the black community? Stoppp", ">\n\nIf Republican’s were not openly racist at least 1/2 of African Americans would vote for them. But Republicans would lose 2/3’s of whites who would start voting by class, so Republican’s cultivate and maintain racist values in the party.", ">\n\nOf course they do. Uneducated black people and uneducated white people are the same. Skin color plays no role. Bigoted regressive views are to be expected.", ">\n\nIt's not surprising. The monolithic portion of the black community in the US is rife with toxic masculinity.\nThat's sad is that all those Trans people really just want to exist. Imagine the pettiness required to say to someone \"You can't do this thing that will help make you whole because I don't feel like having to think about it.\".\nBut that war's already lost. Trans acceptance is only going to increase, and eventually it'll be mundane, and people will look back and wonder why people were so backward.", ">\n\nThis is because the black community is more religious feels that the black family unit has taken serious damage from the War in Drugs, Mass incarceration, Systemic racism etc.\nThis is coming from an entirely different place than what we are seeing in the GOP, and is not necessarily indicative of the same anti-LGBTQ+ bullshit that is taking place on that side of the isle.\nHowever, the black community will continue to support democrats for the time being, because the overwhelming consensus is that the brand of conservatism that is currently ruling the GOP is the main threat that has hurt them in the first place for decades.", ">\n\nIt's also indiscriminate, no matter what sides Black Americans fall on there's something that party has done to make their lives worse.", ">\n\nThere is a fault line within the Democratic party. Black democrats are ready to split not just on transgender issues but also inclusivity of other minorities.\nSome of the chief plaintiffs in the affirmative action case before the SC are Asian Americans, not because they opposed Black students getting extra points compared to White students but because Asian students had admission points deducted from them for being Asian. There are deep fissures between Jewish Americans and African Americans as well. \nA decent candidate running on black liberation theology could easily spoil a democratic presidency in 2024.", ">\n\nHoly shit this is pure uncut hopium. \nDifference in opinion and attitudes isn’t a sign of impending conflict. Hell, even if it were, it really speaks to how much those voting blocks hate Republicans. \nI know, I know, I know, Kanye could do it or whatever, it’s ok.", ">\n\nDo you really think the long standing issues between these minority groups is really due to a difference of opinion? A Farrakhan type or endorsed candidate could easily spoil a tight election in 2024. They would likely need less than 2 percent of the vote in certain swing states. Biden already has declining approval among Black Americans. The bifurcated American Politics of \"Left vs. Right\" doesn't reflect reality.", ">\n\nIt reflects election results though. \nEvery voting block could break itself into atomized parties. You simultaneously believe these voting blocks don’t know their party doesn’t represent their objectives to the degree they would like. While also, believing these voters would form a new party when they realize that? \nYou’re just wish-casting a scenario where Kanye is politically viable. You can present it in the most mealy mouthed way possible, it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting at.", ">\n\nI'm not and zero. Index funds only for this guy.", ">\n\nAh so you don't even yield to the pretense of being okay with gay people", ">\n\nWhat are you talking about? I'm a gay man.", ">\n\nI'm a white male democrat in the south. I think sex is assigned at birth but gender is a social construct. Someone can be genetically male but feel like a female and it doesn't hurt me to call them her if that's what she wants to be called. It takes zero effort to be kind. \nNow the whole sports issue is valid imo but Republicans use it on bad faith arguments. The issue is complicated but just call people what they want to be called. It's not hard.", ">\n\nThere’s a difference between call people what they want and hate speech laws though. And that’s not even close to where the political issue stops.", ">\n\nWhat are you even on about. I'm talking about day to day interactions with trans people. I don't think I said anything wrong?", ">\n\nI don’t think you said anything wrong either. And i largely agree on the day to day interaction side. What I’m saying is that isn’t where any of this stops.", ">\n\nWell im 30 and just came out as gay to my first person. I just recently accepted it myself. So I'm still trying to learn and grow as a person. It's hard being from the deep south and not knowing any of this.", ">\n\nDont use this to divide. Most of you regardless of your background have deeply transphobic views. No community but our own is safe for us.", ">\n\nIs that a helpful comment, to accuse \"most\" of wholesale transphobia?", ">\n\nHow could you possibly come to the conclusion that the purpose of this poll is \"to try to invalidate trans identities\"?", ">\n\nIt's almost like they have larger issues to deal with...", ">\n\nyep, gop could 100% steal most of the black vote if they weren't racists", ">\n\nChristianity is a regressive force.", ">\n\ntruth", ">\n\nGood thing there’s no poor white people. Otherwise they could use this excuse too", ">\n\nI'll bet poor white people don't give af about pronouns either..", ">\n\nThat’s the point - it’s not an excuse…\nJust like being poor isn’t an excuse for being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc", ">\n\nWe see this play out regularly in Democratic primaries every four years. The Republican's social conservatism is extreme. Sometimes they make a half-hearted effort to appeal to black religious conservatives. They get very poor results. However, if Democrats nominate a white social liberal, black turnout could suffer. I hope we are spared an ugly future fight between Kamala Harris and someone like Buttigieg. The nominating process is too often a popularity contest. Democrats need to nominate someone who can win a general election. If you happen to like the strongest general election candidate, great. If we nominate the weaker candidate because they are more \"likeable,\" they will often lose a general election to the Republican.\nEdit: If you don't understand nuance, I need to state--This is only an opinion. It does not mean I like it.", ">\n\nI too hope Kamala and Pete are not our only options.", ">\n\nThe names were only used as an example. I fear that the primary voters will find a way to fuck it up, regardless of the candidates.", ">\n\nLet’s remember that Biden has been pretty clear in his support of trans people and was chosen by conservative black voters in SC. People are capable of choosing people they mostly agree with or think will be a good leader even if they don’t agree on all issues. I disagree with Biden on tons of stuff and did not vote for him in the primary, but he has been a very effective president. What this poll shows is that a lot of education is needed in all the communities surveyed and that will take time.", ">\n\nWhat a shock black people can be bigots too no matter how much they try and claim they can't be because of oppression.", ">\n\nYou cannot demand equality when it comes to race and and ethnicity and at the same time discriminate when it comes to sexual preference and identity. At least not if you're an honest, respectable person with integrity.", ">\n\nyou use 'can' in a descriptive way, I use it in a normative way", ">\n\nI see A LOT of white people talking about black folks in here.\nAnd there are A LOT of ASSUMPTIONS and GENERALIZATIONS too.\nSmh", ">\n\nHow exactly do you see a lot of skin color in an online forum with anonymous usernames and no avatars or personal photos?", ">\n\nMaybe I should correct myself and say a lot of NON BLACK people.\nI think it's pretty clear based on how people are speaking here.... \nBlack people are not some monolith group that can be categorized as such. We're ALL individuals with our own beliefs, values, and experiences.\nYet, I'm reading comments here saying \" Well no surprise, black people are pretty religious\".\" Black people are very socially conservative.\" \" Black people would vote Republican if it weren't obvious that they hated them\" ETC.\nExcuse me but wtf? To me at least as an obvious black person who isn't afraid to share their racial identity in this space, I know EXACTLY how non black people talk about us. Black people never generalize the group or other blacks like what's being said here.\nThe reality is most Black people are just as varied and diverse as anyone else in reality. And these generalizations aren't the answer at all.\nThe real answer to this question is that gender isn't a social construct, it's a reality. Blacks, having experienced 400 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow, having literally everything else as far as identity taken away from them KNOW this is fact. \nA man is a man and a woman is a woman no matter how you slice it. And there are natural differences within them both physiological and psychological and that is just the very genetic essence of the species.... (Yeah hermaphrodites exist but they are anomalies of nature that often die off fast and are infertile).\nWith that said, everyone can choose to do whatever and live life the way they want socially. But that doesn't change reality itself. And I think that's where A LOT of others get things mixed up.\nNow why is any of this relevant to me? Because I'm an agnostic and socially liberal black person, yet I still hold this belief despite it being considered \"conservative\" by folks here. And I'm FAR from the only black person who has commented here that breaks the highly upvoted generalization commented in this sub.\nAnd no, I have no interest in making legislation to hurt anyone. And to even see any comments even suggesting this idea, totally disregarding the history of American blacks as a suppressed and disenfranchised group is disgusting and laughable. \nThe vast majority of black folks, regardless of how religious or not or how liberal or conservative have absolutely no interest in hurting other people through legislation.....Come on...\nThere is so much groupthink here that any time that something doesn't fall in line with how people are TOLD to view things, that it's immediately viewed as a negative or a problem instead of what it really is, just a difference....", ">\n\nUnderstood. I see what you mean in that case. It’s very similar to those who commented on the midterms about the Hispanic/Mexican/Cuban voting bloc and how there is a Republican shift happening. But instead of looking at the voting results they attempted to make correlations with cause.", ">\n\nYet, Black people vote for Dems at higher rates than any other race. I’d say surveyors and pollsters might need to update their methodology.", ">\n\nPeople can believe this and not vote to discriminate against LBGTQ people.", ">\n\nI never understood how people can get so wrapped up in semantics. \nWe previously used sex and gender interchangeably, which wasn't really correct. Now, the two words are finally being used in the correct way: One is biological XX/XY and the other is a social definition. \nIt's as simple as that. JFC. Neither me or any of my liberal friends have any difficulty over this or are offended in any manner by saying there is a biological chromosomal sex difference. IT IS annoying when (predominantly right wing) people interchange the two words out of ignorance and then berate us for it. Yes, there can be many genders. No, there is only two sexes. Get over it. Stop your BS, dog whistle, victim mentality, fake culture war.", ">\n\nIt says Sex on my drivers license but people still want to put whatever letter they want. It’s not at all as simple as that.", ">\n\nThis is framing it wrong.\nThe better question is: why do you care?", ">\n\nWhy do you care is one of the most annoying arguments used in politics today", ">\n\nExactly. (Ask melania trump.)", ">\n\nQuestion, what is the breakdown of demographics by age of these black democrats? Are young black people more or less likely to be democrats / independents / or republicans? That was my immediate question, but i am also curious if black democrats support or oppose complete bans on transgender people. My assumption are that black democrats are a) older than other democrats (and thus more likely to be influenced by religion and prior social norms) b) more socially conservative c) disenfranchised (to the point that democratic messaging about transgender people directed towards them is non-existent).", ">\n\nNot really that surprising.\nBlack culture is still fairly unaccepting of LGBT as a whole (*In America), it's an ongoing cultural issue that's slowly changing but will take time. \nIn reality if Republicans put some actual effort into not fucking over black communities for a generation they'd probably be more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.", ">\n\nFirst world problems lol", ">\n\nI think we need to have the conversation that is 100% not anyone's business except the individual as to how they describe themselves. Of course, we need to have the conversation with the individual that gender at birth matters for health reasons of course but otherwise gender is a social construct except for reasons of biology.\nThe fact we even have to be concerned with \"rights\" for those who consider themselves transgender shows that there are a lot of people out there who feel they have rights to how others besides themselves label themselves. This is a sad state of affairs and little more than people trying to control the experiences of others outside themselves.", ">\n\nSeems like a pretty broad statement to make based on only a small sunset surveyed.", ">\n\nBlack peoples position on abortions for trans people in Taiwan (not China) ...... Ya I'm not touching that topic with a 10.5ft pole", ">\n\nInteresting result and in some cases they will go main stream", ">\n\nPeople have a right to vote in what they think is correct and agreeable to their values.", ">\n\nTbh all this article has shown me is fuck Republicans.", ">\n\nThis will probably not get noticed, but there is something wrong with that first chart. No way White is 72% while Rep is only 13%. And you can’t get majority of total saying it’s birth gender when the breakdown of race shows all but black show indicating gender can change.", ">\n\nThis is not new information, anyone who’s spent time around black democrats or black people and general will realize this", ">\n\nAh, makes sense why conservatives are going so hard on this issue lately. It plays well with their base and they are desperate to break up the black voting bloc to have a better chance in future elections." ]

[ "They also tend to be more religious, as well. Are we shocked or surprised by this? Is this unknown information?", ">\n\nI'm not. This is well documentated, they tend to be more religous and socially conservative than other democrats. They also oppose abortion at a higher rate.", ">\n\n\nsocially conservative than other democrats.\n\nAnd I suspect its because Black people overwhelmingly break for Democrats. Where a white conservative person would typically vote for a Republican, the Black Conservative person may STILL vote Democrat due to the rampant racism apparent in the Republican party. \nIn other words, Black people aren't more conservative as a whole, they are just more Conservative when only looking at Democrats. (I would love to see actual data to back up this suspicion of mine)", ">\n\nIt's unlikely to be identical, since racial inequality leads to different racial balances among groups like academia and rural labor that tend to heavily influence political leanings. \nEither way, the reality is that the Republicans could pick up more votes by shifting to oppose racism but favor religious discrimination more highly.", ">\n\nBut then they’d lose the votes of the poor whites who don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy but do care about racism. So would it really be a net gain in votes?", ">\n\nThe trick is, most of those people also favor religious discrimination.", ">\n\nBut how many of them care about religious discrimination more than racial discrimination? It can’t be all of them.", ">\n\n.... a lot of them. It's not ok to say racist shit in polite company but it's absolutely OK to most people in most situations to say if people don't accept Jesus they'll rot in Hell.", ">\n\nNot really surprising if a person has spent any time hanging out with Black Democrats, or just a lot of Black people in general. Worth pointing out though that imho you’d have seen these same results probably if you asked about marriage equality 15 years ago.", ">\n\nI remember reading exactly this about marriage equality 15 years ago. If I recall correctly, most demographic groups had kind of the same breakdown as far as for/against, except Jewish people skewed heavily in favor of marriage equality and black people skewed against marriage equality. I was kind of surprised at the black part back then, but it made me not surprised at this headline today.", ">\n\nTrust me, not all other non-black democrats have the same views on this stuff either.", ">\n\nBut does that translate into them wanting to legislate it", ">\n\n\\^This. Personal beliefs don't always translate into policy preferences. White evangelicals are the group that seems most likely to just treat it as a given that their individual religious beliefs NEED to be codified into law.", ">\n\nYep.\nTheres a difference between being uncomfortable with something, thinking its strange, thinking its not in line with your beliefs etc and actively wanting the law to get involved.", ">\n\nAs a black person, particularly an atheist city-dweller, this is where I experience the greatest schism with my own community. In my mind, there are precisely zero differences between our own struggles for civil rights and those of the LBGTQ community. We should be holding hands in our fights against marginalization, not flirting with religiosity and conservative politics.\nI think it's a shame that black people cling to the white man's religion in the first place, but to follow it to the extent that you can't identify with those suffering right alongside you... Especially when the Black gay community is so fucking inventive and imitated (house music, fashion trends, slang, etc...), you'd think there'd be more acceptance.", ">\n\nI’d like your opinion on something I can’t quite fully wrap my head around. \nI’m also athiest, and pretty far on the progressive side of things generally. I fully support equality for the LBGTQ community. \nI’ve tried asking this question before and just get immediately slammed as a right wing shill. But I have a decade of comments people can check to be sure that’s not the case. \nI truly want to be an ally for trans people. I ask this question so that I can confidently support the community. \nIn your mind, is it different for someone born with XY chromosomes and male body parts to identify as a woman than a white girl like Rachel Dolezal to identify as black?\nI have a very hard time differentiating between those two scenarios and thought maybe you could help me out.", ">\n\nSee? This is the only answer I ever get. \nI’m being 100% authentic. If someone can’t lay out an answer for someone literally begging to be on the correct side of things, how do you expect to have this conversation with someone who is resistant to the idea? \nThere is no trap. Just try to answer the question clearly. \nTo me it’s a hard one and I’d like an answer that makes sense.", ">\n\nr/onejoke moment lol", ">\n\nHow do I talk to my bigoted uncles when they say this? I sincerely can’t get any help on the topic because all I get are empty YOU’RE JUST WRONG replies. \nI suspect it’s because you don’t have an answer to the question and are just as confused about it as I am but you don’t want to admit it. \nPlease prove me wrong.", ">\n\nDude, it’s in like every basic college text on the science of gender now - not only the answer you were given about brain structure, there are tons of other rare chromosomal configurations that give rise to mixtures of sex characteristics that combine typical male or female characteristics in various ways - not to mention intersex people exist who are born with genitals that aren’t clearly a penis or a vulva. On top of all of this you have tons of sociological research and studies, and queer theory, about the socialization of gender norms, the way they vary wildly across cultures, and shift over time in the same cultures - leading one to realize that gender expression is, for the most part, performative - through fashion choices and communication styles, and not related to one’s sex characteristics so much as their socialization. As such people have every right to express their gender however they feel like. Just do your own homework and read a chapter from a gender studies textbook. It’ll take you an hour at most.\nThat is, if you actually care that much about the topic as you seem to.", ">\n\nNot really shocking. The black community has historically been less accepting of the LGBTQ community. I think this has a lot to do with the role religion plays in much of the community", ">\n\nReligion is just a factor, if anything it’s just a portion of the trauma black Americans still suffer from due to slavery which contributes to current homophobia. I say this because even in non-religious black households (post black boomers) there’s still a high level of anti-LGBT rhetoric. (Side note: these non-religious black households I speak of also make more than 75k per year where I’m at so it could also be a socioeconomic “keeping up with the jones” thing as well)", ">\n\nWhat's the impetus for that anti-LGBTQ sentiment absent religion?", ">\n\nA lot of black people would vote Republican if Republicans weren’t intentionally and obviously anti-black.", ">\n\nRepublicans aren’t anti black, they just don’t kiss their ass like the Dems do", ">\n\nCome to the south lol. They hate us", ">\n\nFor real. I am a white guy living in the south. The absolutely vile shit that I’ve heard over the years because they think I’m “safe” is insane.", ">\n\nMy dad had a conversation with the sheriff of a local county who wouldn't stop saying the N word. It was clear he felt he was \"safe\". People still hold these beliefs they just keep quiet until they get alone with someone they think thinks the same things they do.", ">\n\nWhenever people assume black people are very progressive I just think they don’t actually know that many black people.", ">\n\nI get why politicians lean in to the trans issue in a negative way, because it’s a hot-button topic that whips up a base. What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit whether or not someone else identifies as a different gender. What’s the problem here? It took all of 10 minutes of googling to understand that I’m a white cis male, and that other people may or may not identify as such. Boom. Done. I learned something new and now other people hopefully feel more comfortable around me. Why is denying trans rights a hill that so many people are willing to die on?!", ">\n\nThe reason it’s an issue is because it affects public policy about access to things based upon gender. It also significantly affects how this stuff is talked about with kids and supersedes parenting in many cases. It affects parents who would rather their kids think that gender is not selectable when you have a public school curriculum that is fine with telling them it is, people who don’t like transgender people get upset because it’s affecting the control they have over their families, upbringing and values.", ">\n\nIt likely is having very little effect on their families and I imagine few of them are actually exposed to it with any kind of regularity. Rather, they hear that it's some sort of big deal from Fox News and others and so they believe it.\nTransgender people in women's sports? There are only a handful of instances of this being an issue across the entire country.\nPublic school curriculum? In most places will have absolutely zero lessons regarding this topic.", ">\n\nYou’re describing things that are currently changing. There is far more than a handful of women in men’s sports in high schools. I don’t really care about that issue. A huge portion of trans rights is having trans representation in sex education. As there should be, if society is to be respectful to this. So what you’re currently describing is the state of affairs that the success of trans rights and gender fluidity recognition intends to change. The conservative reaction is to that.", ">\n\n\nThe conservative reaction is to that.\n\nThe conservative reaction is to trans people existing. American conservatives have been fighting a culture war since 1960, continuously, and they just mad lib in words from today. The actual target doesn't really matter. What matters is that there is a target.", ">\n\nI’m referring to all the news stories that have come up in the past two years about trans people.", ">\n\nYes you're right, there are a great many of overblown fear-mongering articles about trans folks coming out lately. As the poster above you said: there needs to be a target for hate, doesn't matter who.", ">\n\nYes, welcome to the past 30 years of LGBT electoral politics.", ">\n\nThere’s a ton of homophobic and transphobia in the black community and it’s weird it’s not brought up more often", ">\n\nYes. Black trans women are the most targeted minority there is. \nYou’d think always being a target of bigotry and hate, that you wouldn’t pass that on.", ">\n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n-Lyndon B. Johnson\nReplace white with black and 'colored' with Trans and you got a new working recipe. Nobody is immune to prejudice, its just with black people the irony is extremely noticable. Theres no reason black people wouldn't be susceptable to the same ploy as white people.", ">\n\nTrue.", ">\n\nSomething like 90 percent of black people vote Democrat compared to something like 40 percent of white people.\nIf you compare 90 percent of any population to the most liberal 40 percent of any other population it'd be mind blowing if the larger group wasn't more conservative. \nThis is a bit like being dismayed to discover that 50 percent of school children have below average intelligence.", ">\n\nThis is like no shit Sherlock moment. It’s known that homophobia and transphobia is large in the black community so this would be reflected in the democratically elected people of that community. Like a problem sure but not a surprising one.", ">\n\nWork in healthcare. Almost all anti-vax staff (that I know of) were black. Especially the religious, older generation. \nI know there is a long historical reason for their believes but its still a noticable pattern.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. I live in a deep blue neighborhood with a lot of black and Hispanic individuals, and they generally don't get along with (or are neutral towards) the LGBTQ+ community. There's also a lot of \"anti race mixing\" type drama against interracial couples (like a black and white couple having a light-skinned black kid).\nThe younger 20-something ones are very far left, though. One young black man was going door to door supporting a petition for UBI and a $20/hour minimum wage in California that most people in the apartment complex I live in (including myself) signed, I had a really cool discussion with him (he put me on the idea of constitutionally guaranteed housing). It's mostly the older ones that are still center-right.", ">\n\nA lot of Black people are actually pretty socially conservative, my family included. Kind of ironic that Republicans could have a real untapped voting block if they weren't so vehemently dedicated to racist pandering.", ">\n\nYou mean the big tent party is not a monolith? 😱", ">\n\nWasn't there something unusual that happened in California regarding a proposition on gay marriage at the same time Obama was on the ballot that ties into this idea?", ">\n\nAnd shockingly, their personal opinions DONT carry so much hate with them, that they’re willing to vote against their own best interests to ensure we all know who they hate.\nGive me more groups of people who are uninterested in the coming and going’s of another group and are just willing to vote for the greater good, I’ll take that. \nPlenty of white democrat voters dont grasp the extent at which black people are still unfairly treated in the US. They still vote for the people who do, because ultimately… the greater good.\nHere is an alternate headline: Black Democrats overwhelmingly prove they’re willing to protect the rights of others, even when they admittedly don’t understand them.", ">\n\nThis. This right here exactly. Voting from spite seems to be unique to white conservatives.", ">\n\nUh yeah, democrats are a coalition, not really an ideology", ">\n\nI'll get down voted for this but who cares, this is not an important issue. We need to focus on class solidarity rather than culture war topics that effect .5% of the population. Yes it's transphobic , but these talking points are a smoke screen used to divide us proletariate against each other. Our wealth has been and continues to be stolen from us by the one percent. We are under constant class warfare and we fight amongst ourselves. First we need to raise the floor, and create a more egalitarian society: one in which there is equality of opportunity, one in which we have our basic needs met for, and one in which we earn our proper share of the wealth we create. Once we achieve these goals literacy, empathy, and cultural tolerance will floresh; but we need to focus on the fight that is in front of us that effects the majority, the proletariate, first.", ">\n\nI agree with the need for class solidarity. We need to desperately address wealth inequality and fight the rich. However, Republicans are committing genocide against transgender people. You might see that word in my previous sentence, “genocide”, and say to yourself, “she’s just being dramatic, the Republicans are just passing reasonable, common-sense medical restrictions on a fringe group of weirdos”. \nFrom the United Nations:\nIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:\n1.) Killing members of the group;\n2.) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;\n3.) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;\n4.) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;\n5.) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group\n——-\n1.) Transgender people are frequently murdered. \n2.) Transgender people are frequently “legislative refugees”, and are leaving deep red states as quick as they can (if they can afford to), while the laws dictating how old you can be to transition looks like they’re gonna aim to raise it from 21 to 26 this year. One such law is called the “Millstone Act”. That’s only gonna increase. \n3.) Red states don’t cover trans health care, leaving trans people poorer than cis people. \n4.) HRT frequently sterilizes trans people, but for those that remain fertile, some countries have enforced sterilization. \n5.) Step right up and watch Texas investigate the parents of trans kids for child abuse using CPS..\nYou don’t need to even meet all the qualifications of genocide for it to BE genocide. So any time I see a Democrat say “we need to say, ‘fuck trans people, we need to focus on more important things’, I say:\nHow will history judge you for standing aside and letting this happen? Will they understand in fifty years why you had to let one of our most vulnerable minority groups be fed to the wolves to pass a legislative agenda? In a hundred?", ">\n\nNo I understand all that let me be clear, I am addressing the title of the article. I don't think addressing the transphobia of poor black people should come before addressing the material inequality that black people are subjected to. If we address these issues first then what will follow is a more educated and empathetic people. Right now people are experiencing food and housing insecurity or at the very the threat of this. Wages are stagnant, and the police state is growing in it's power and reach while being routinely championed by media. A lot of Americans do not have the time, education, or luxury to worry about a virtually invisible minority. I agree that conservatives are monsters but articles like this just exist to divide us. \nI am not saying we should not be using the law to protect people, I agree with this. I just don't think we need neo liberal articles trying to point fingers at an already marginalized group of people and saying they are part of the problem.", ">\n\nI agree that we need to address material inequality over the feelings of a demographic.\nI just also believe that the “virtually invisible minority” needs to be saved from the opposition’s efforts to kill them all. Of course, as a trans person myself, I vote Democrat. If the Republican Party platform was pro-trans (somehow) and they still held all their current positions otherwise, I would still vote Democrat, because opposition to the science of climate change, systemic inequality, racism, xenophobia, and rampant narcissism are still not qualities I look for in a leader.\nTL;DR version: article is garbage trying to fan the flames of contention, hurting trans people is GOP priority #1 and I wish Democrats would stand with us the way we stand with them.", ">\n\nMaybe the real goal should be to try not to fit all Black Democrats or all Black people into boxes. The word monolith gets tossed around a lot as a bad thing, and it is, but it still seems to be the thing pollsters try to create and pretend that they have identified.", ">\n\nSure, but that isn’t an exclusively black democrat or black people problem. Society puts people into boxes all the time I.e. conservatives are xyz, democrats are xyz, white America has an xyz problem, etc.", ">\n\nThis seems like it should be the #1 priority in messaging. Draw parallels between minority issues and gay rights. Introduce your gay selves to black people so they can see you're not that different.\nFixing this now would be ideal.", ">\n\nAs a very liberal black person, let me just say: duh", ">\n\nIsn’t the black community known for being pretty homophobic in general? I thought that was common knowledge?", ">\n\nBig difference between personal morality and wanting to impose your religious values on everyone else through government. Black Christians fundamentally understand tolerance doesn't necessarily mean approval. That's a level of maturity the far right and far left haven't achieved.", ">\n\nThose last two sentences need to be said waaaay more", ">\n\nBlack Americans sre Christians, the great enigma.", ">\n\nMany younger ones are not as religious as their parents.", ">\n\nHomophobia in the black community? Stoppp", ">\n\nIf Republican’s were not openly racist at least 1/2 of African Americans would vote for them. But Republicans would lose 2/3’s of whites who would start voting by class, so Republican’s cultivate and maintain racist values in the party.", ">\n\nOf course they do. Uneducated black people and uneducated white people are the same. Skin color plays no role. Bigoted regressive views are to be expected.", ">\n\nIt's not surprising. The monolithic portion of the black community in the US is rife with toxic masculinity.\nThat's sad is that all those Trans people really just want to exist. Imagine the pettiness required to say to someone \"You can't do this thing that will help make you whole because I don't feel like having to think about it.\".\nBut that war's already lost. Trans acceptance is only going to increase, and eventually it'll be mundane, and people will look back and wonder why people were so backward.", ">\n\nThis is because the black community is more religious feels that the black family unit has taken serious damage from the War in Drugs, Mass incarceration, Systemic racism etc.\nThis is coming from an entirely different place than what we are seeing in the GOP, and is not necessarily indicative of the same anti-LGBTQ+ bullshit that is taking place on that side of the isle.\nHowever, the black community will continue to support democrats for the time being, because the overwhelming consensus is that the brand of conservatism that is currently ruling the GOP is the main threat that has hurt them in the first place for decades.", ">\n\nIt's also indiscriminate, no matter what sides Black Americans fall on there's something that party has done to make their lives worse.", ">\n\nThere is a fault line within the Democratic party. Black democrats are ready to split not just on transgender issues but also inclusivity of other minorities.\nSome of the chief plaintiffs in the affirmative action case before the SC are Asian Americans, not because they opposed Black students getting extra points compared to White students but because Asian students had admission points deducted from them for being Asian. There are deep fissures between Jewish Americans and African Americans as well. \nA decent candidate running on black liberation theology could easily spoil a democratic presidency in 2024.", ">\n\nHoly shit this is pure uncut hopium. \nDifference in opinion and attitudes isn’t a sign of impending conflict. Hell, even if it were, it really speaks to how much those voting blocks hate Republicans. \nI know, I know, I know, Kanye could do it or whatever, it’s ok.", ">\n\nDo you really think the long standing issues between these minority groups is really due to a difference of opinion? A Farrakhan type or endorsed candidate could easily spoil a tight election in 2024. They would likely need less than 2 percent of the vote in certain swing states. Biden already has declining approval among Black Americans. The bifurcated American Politics of \"Left vs. Right\" doesn't reflect reality.", ">\n\nIt reflects election results though. \nEvery voting block could break itself into atomized parties. You simultaneously believe these voting blocks don’t know their party doesn’t represent their objectives to the degree they would like. While also, believing these voters would form a new party when they realize that? \nYou’re just wish-casting a scenario where Kanye is politically viable. You can present it in the most mealy mouthed way possible, it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting at.", ">\n\nI'm not and zero. Index funds only for this guy.", ">\n\nAh so you don't even yield to the pretense of being okay with gay people", ">\n\nWhat are you talking about? I'm a gay man.", ">\n\nI'm a white male democrat in the south. I think sex is assigned at birth but gender is a social construct. Someone can be genetically male but feel like a female and it doesn't hurt me to call them her if that's what she wants to be called. It takes zero effort to be kind. \nNow the whole sports issue is valid imo but Republicans use it on bad faith arguments. The issue is complicated but just call people what they want to be called. It's not hard.", ">\n\nThere’s a difference between call people what they want and hate speech laws though. And that’s not even close to where the political issue stops.", ">\n\nWhat are you even on about. I'm talking about day to day interactions with trans people. I don't think I said anything wrong?", ">\n\nI don’t think you said anything wrong either. And i largely agree on the day to day interaction side. What I’m saying is that isn’t where any of this stops.", ">\n\nWell im 30 and just came out as gay to my first person. I just recently accepted it myself. So I'm still trying to learn and grow as a person. It's hard being from the deep south and not knowing any of this.", ">\n\nDont use this to divide. Most of you regardless of your background have deeply transphobic views. No community but our own is safe for us.", ">\n\nIs that a helpful comment, to accuse \"most\" of wholesale transphobia?", ">\n\nHow could you possibly come to the conclusion that the purpose of this poll is \"to try to invalidate trans identities\"?", ">\n\nIt's almost like they have larger issues to deal with...", ">\n\nyep, gop could 100% steal most of the black vote if they weren't racists", ">\n\nChristianity is a regressive force.", ">\n\ntruth", ">\n\nGood thing there’s no poor white people. Otherwise they could use this excuse too", ">\n\nI'll bet poor white people don't give af about pronouns either..", ">\n\nThat’s the point - it’s not an excuse…\nJust like being poor isn’t an excuse for being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc", ">\n\nWe see this play out regularly in Democratic primaries every four years. The Republican's social conservatism is extreme. Sometimes they make a half-hearted effort to appeal to black religious conservatives. They get very poor results. However, if Democrats nominate a white social liberal, black turnout could suffer. I hope we are spared an ugly future fight between Kamala Harris and someone like Buttigieg. The nominating process is too often a popularity contest. Democrats need to nominate someone who can win a general election. If you happen to like the strongest general election candidate, great. If we nominate the weaker candidate because they are more \"likeable,\" they will often lose a general election to the Republican.\nEdit: If you don't understand nuance, I need to state--This is only an opinion. It does not mean I like it.", ">\n\nI too hope Kamala and Pete are not our only options.", ">\n\nThe names were only used as an example. I fear that the primary voters will find a way to fuck it up, regardless of the candidates.", ">\n\nLet’s remember that Biden has been pretty clear in his support of trans people and was chosen by conservative black voters in SC. People are capable of choosing people they mostly agree with or think will be a good leader even if they don’t agree on all issues. I disagree with Biden on tons of stuff and did not vote for him in the primary, but he has been a very effective president. What this poll shows is that a lot of education is needed in all the communities surveyed and that will take time.", ">\n\nWhat a shock black people can be bigots too no matter how much they try and claim they can't be because of oppression.", ">\n\nYou cannot demand equality when it comes to race and and ethnicity and at the same time discriminate when it comes to sexual preference and identity. At least not if you're an honest, respectable person with integrity.", ">\n\nyou use 'can' in a descriptive way, I use it in a normative way", ">\n\nI see A LOT of white people talking about black folks in here.\nAnd there are A LOT of ASSUMPTIONS and GENERALIZATIONS too.\nSmh", ">\n\nHow exactly do you see a lot of skin color in an online forum with anonymous usernames and no avatars or personal photos?", ">\n\nMaybe I should correct myself and say a lot of NON BLACK people.\nI think it's pretty clear based on how people are speaking here.... \nBlack people are not some monolith group that can be categorized as such. We're ALL individuals with our own beliefs, values, and experiences.\nYet, I'm reading comments here saying \" Well no surprise, black people are pretty religious\".\" Black people are very socially conservative.\" \" Black people would vote Republican if it weren't obvious that they hated them\" ETC.\nExcuse me but wtf? To me at least as an obvious black person who isn't afraid to share their racial identity in this space, I know EXACTLY how non black people talk about us. Black people never generalize the group or other blacks like what's being said here.\nThe reality is most Black people are just as varied and diverse as anyone else in reality. And these generalizations aren't the answer at all.\nThe real answer to this question is that gender isn't a social construct, it's a reality. Blacks, having experienced 400 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow, having literally everything else as far as identity taken away from them KNOW this is fact. \nA man is a man and a woman is a woman no matter how you slice it. And there are natural differences within them both physiological and psychological and that is just the very genetic essence of the species.... (Yeah hermaphrodites exist but they are anomalies of nature that often die off fast and are infertile).\nWith that said, everyone can choose to do whatever and live life the way they want socially. But that doesn't change reality itself. And I think that's where A LOT of others get things mixed up.\nNow why is any of this relevant to me? Because I'm an agnostic and socially liberal black person, yet I still hold this belief despite it being considered \"conservative\" by folks here. And I'm FAR from the only black person who has commented here that breaks the highly upvoted generalization commented in this sub.\nAnd no, I have no interest in making legislation to hurt anyone. And to even see any comments even suggesting this idea, totally disregarding the history of American blacks as a suppressed and disenfranchised group is disgusting and laughable. \nThe vast majority of black folks, regardless of how religious or not or how liberal or conservative have absolutely no interest in hurting other people through legislation.....Come on...\nThere is so much groupthink here that any time that something doesn't fall in line with how people are TOLD to view things, that it's immediately viewed as a negative or a problem instead of what it really is, just a difference....", ">\n\nUnderstood. I see what you mean in that case. It’s very similar to those who commented on the midterms about the Hispanic/Mexican/Cuban voting bloc and how there is a Republican shift happening. But instead of looking at the voting results they attempted to make correlations with cause.", ">\n\nYet, Black people vote for Dems at higher rates than any other race. I’d say surveyors and pollsters might need to update their methodology.", ">\n\nPeople can believe this and not vote to discriminate against LBGTQ people.", ">\n\nI never understood how people can get so wrapped up in semantics. \nWe previously used sex and gender interchangeably, which wasn't really correct. Now, the two words are finally being used in the correct way: One is biological XX/XY and the other is a social definition. \nIt's as simple as that. JFC. Neither me or any of my liberal friends have any difficulty over this or are offended in any manner by saying there is a biological chromosomal sex difference. IT IS annoying when (predominantly right wing) people interchange the two words out of ignorance and then berate us for it. Yes, there can be many genders. No, there is only two sexes. Get over it. Stop your BS, dog whistle, victim mentality, fake culture war.", ">\n\nIt says Sex on my drivers license but people still want to put whatever letter they want. It’s not at all as simple as that.", ">\n\nThis is framing it wrong.\nThe better question is: why do you care?", ">\n\nWhy do you care is one of the most annoying arguments used in politics today", ">\n\nExactly. (Ask melania trump.)", ">\n\nQuestion, what is the breakdown of demographics by age of these black democrats? Are young black people more or less likely to be democrats / independents / or republicans? That was my immediate question, but i am also curious if black democrats support or oppose complete bans on transgender people. My assumption are that black democrats are a) older than other democrats (and thus more likely to be influenced by religion and prior social norms) b) more socially conservative c) disenfranchised (to the point that democratic messaging about transgender people directed towards them is non-existent).", ">\n\nNot really that surprising.\nBlack culture is still fairly unaccepting of LGBT as a whole (*In America), it's an ongoing cultural issue that's slowly changing but will take time. \nIn reality if Republicans put some actual effort into not fucking over black communities for a generation they'd probably be more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.", ">\n\nFirst world problems lol", ">\n\nI think we need to have the conversation that is 100% not anyone's business except the individual as to how they describe themselves. Of course, we need to have the conversation with the individual that gender at birth matters for health reasons of course but otherwise gender is a social construct except for reasons of biology.\nThe fact we even have to be concerned with \"rights\" for those who consider themselves transgender shows that there are a lot of people out there who feel they have rights to how others besides themselves label themselves. This is a sad state of affairs and little more than people trying to control the experiences of others outside themselves.", ">\n\nSeems like a pretty broad statement to make based on only a small sunset surveyed.", ">\n\nBlack peoples position on abortions for trans people in Taiwan (not China) ...... Ya I'm not touching that topic with a 10.5ft pole", ">\n\nInteresting result and in some cases they will go main stream", ">\n\nPeople have a right to vote in what they think is correct and agreeable to their values.", ">\n\nTbh all this article has shown me is fuck Republicans.", ">\n\nThis will probably not get noticed, but there is something wrong with that first chart. No way White is 72% while Rep is only 13%. And you can’t get majority of total saying it’s birth gender when the breakdown of race shows all but black show indicating gender can change.", ">\n\nThis is not new information, anyone who’s spent time around black democrats or black people and general will realize this", ">\n\nAh, makes sense why conservatives are going so hard on this issue lately. It plays well with their base and they are desperate to break up the black voting bloc to have a better chance in future elections.", ">\n\nThis is why it’s unsurprising that the democrats are losing black voters to the GOP (although not a lot overall) at a faster and faster rate as the GOP reverts to LGBT issues as their primary wedge issue.\nBlack communities overall are conservative and religious. The only reason they vote Democrat largely is because of the fact that the GOP is full of out and proud racists. That’s it. If the GOP dropped racism from their platform, a large section of the black community would vote GOP within 10 years" ]

[ "They also tend to be more religious, as well. Are we shocked or surprised by this? Is this unknown information?", ">\n\nI'm not. This is well documentated, they tend to be more religous and socially conservative than other democrats. They also oppose abortion at a higher rate.", ">\n\n\nsocially conservative than other democrats.\n\nAnd I suspect its because Black people overwhelmingly break for Democrats. Where a white conservative person would typically vote for a Republican, the Black Conservative person may STILL vote Democrat due to the rampant racism apparent in the Republican party. \nIn other words, Black people aren't more conservative as a whole, they are just more Conservative when only looking at Democrats. (I would love to see actual data to back up this suspicion of mine)", ">\n\nIt's unlikely to be identical, since racial inequality leads to different racial balances among groups like academia and rural labor that tend to heavily influence political leanings. \nEither way, the reality is that the Republicans could pick up more votes by shifting to oppose racism but favor religious discrimination more highly.", ">\n\nBut then they’d lose the votes of the poor whites who don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy but do care about racism. So would it really be a net gain in votes?", ">\n\nThe trick is, most of those people also favor religious discrimination.", ">\n\nBut how many of them care about religious discrimination more than racial discrimination? It can’t be all of them.", ">\n\n.... a lot of them. It's not ok to say racist shit in polite company but it's absolutely OK to most people in most situations to say if people don't accept Jesus they'll rot in Hell.", ">\n\nNot really surprising if a person has spent any time hanging out with Black Democrats, or just a lot of Black people in general. Worth pointing out though that imho you’d have seen these same results probably if you asked about marriage equality 15 years ago.", ">\n\nI remember reading exactly this about marriage equality 15 years ago. If I recall correctly, most demographic groups had kind of the same breakdown as far as for/against, except Jewish people skewed heavily in favor of marriage equality and black people skewed against marriage equality. I was kind of surprised at the black part back then, but it made me not surprised at this headline today.", ">\n\nTrust me, not all other non-black democrats have the same views on this stuff either.", ">\n\nBut does that translate into them wanting to legislate it", ">\n\n\\^This. Personal beliefs don't always translate into policy preferences. White evangelicals are the group that seems most likely to just treat it as a given that their individual religious beliefs NEED to be codified into law.", ">\n\nYep.\nTheres a difference between being uncomfortable with something, thinking its strange, thinking its not in line with your beliefs etc and actively wanting the law to get involved.", ">\n\nAs a black person, particularly an atheist city-dweller, this is where I experience the greatest schism with my own community. In my mind, there are precisely zero differences between our own struggles for civil rights and those of the LBGTQ community. We should be holding hands in our fights against marginalization, not flirting with religiosity and conservative politics.\nI think it's a shame that black people cling to the white man's religion in the first place, but to follow it to the extent that you can't identify with those suffering right alongside you... Especially when the Black gay community is so fucking inventive and imitated (house music, fashion trends, slang, etc...), you'd think there'd be more acceptance.", ">\n\nI’d like your opinion on something I can’t quite fully wrap my head around. \nI’m also athiest, and pretty far on the progressive side of things generally. I fully support equality for the LBGTQ community. \nI’ve tried asking this question before and just get immediately slammed as a right wing shill. But I have a decade of comments people can check to be sure that’s not the case. \nI truly want to be an ally for trans people. I ask this question so that I can confidently support the community. \nIn your mind, is it different for someone born with XY chromosomes and male body parts to identify as a woman than a white girl like Rachel Dolezal to identify as black?\nI have a very hard time differentiating between those two scenarios and thought maybe you could help me out.", ">\n\nSee? This is the only answer I ever get. \nI’m being 100% authentic. If someone can’t lay out an answer for someone literally begging to be on the correct side of things, how do you expect to have this conversation with someone who is resistant to the idea? \nThere is no trap. Just try to answer the question clearly. \nTo me it’s a hard one and I’d like an answer that makes sense.", ">\n\nr/onejoke moment lol", ">\n\nHow do I talk to my bigoted uncles when they say this? I sincerely can’t get any help on the topic because all I get are empty YOU’RE JUST WRONG replies. \nI suspect it’s because you don’t have an answer to the question and are just as confused about it as I am but you don’t want to admit it. \nPlease prove me wrong.", ">\n\nDude, it’s in like every basic college text on the science of gender now - not only the answer you were given about brain structure, there are tons of other rare chromosomal configurations that give rise to mixtures of sex characteristics that combine typical male or female characteristics in various ways - not to mention intersex people exist who are born with genitals that aren’t clearly a penis or a vulva. On top of all of this you have tons of sociological research and studies, and queer theory, about the socialization of gender norms, the way they vary wildly across cultures, and shift over time in the same cultures - leading one to realize that gender expression is, for the most part, performative - through fashion choices and communication styles, and not related to one’s sex characteristics so much as their socialization. As such people have every right to express their gender however they feel like. Just do your own homework and read a chapter from a gender studies textbook. It’ll take you an hour at most.\nThat is, if you actually care that much about the topic as you seem to.", ">\n\nNot really shocking. The black community has historically been less accepting of the LGBTQ community. I think this has a lot to do with the role religion plays in much of the community", ">\n\nReligion is just a factor, if anything it’s just a portion of the trauma black Americans still suffer from due to slavery which contributes to current homophobia. I say this because even in non-religious black households (post black boomers) there’s still a high level of anti-LGBT rhetoric. (Side note: these non-religious black households I speak of also make more than 75k per year where I’m at so it could also be a socioeconomic “keeping up with the jones” thing as well)", ">\n\nWhat's the impetus for that anti-LGBTQ sentiment absent religion?", ">\n\nA lot of black people would vote Republican if Republicans weren’t intentionally and obviously anti-black.", ">\n\nRepublicans aren’t anti black, they just don’t kiss their ass like the Dems do", ">\n\nCome to the south lol. They hate us", ">\n\nFor real. I am a white guy living in the south. The absolutely vile shit that I’ve heard over the years because they think I’m “safe” is insane.", ">\n\nMy dad had a conversation with the sheriff of a local county who wouldn't stop saying the N word. It was clear he felt he was \"safe\". People still hold these beliefs they just keep quiet until they get alone with someone they think thinks the same things they do.", ">\n\nWhenever people assume black people are very progressive I just think they don’t actually know that many black people.", ">\n\nI get why politicians lean in to the trans issue in a negative way, because it’s a hot-button topic that whips up a base. What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit whether or not someone else identifies as a different gender. What’s the problem here? It took all of 10 minutes of googling to understand that I’m a white cis male, and that other people may or may not identify as such. Boom. Done. I learned something new and now other people hopefully feel more comfortable around me. Why is denying trans rights a hill that so many people are willing to die on?!", ">\n\nThe reason it’s an issue is because it affects public policy about access to things based upon gender. It also significantly affects how this stuff is talked about with kids and supersedes parenting in many cases. It affects parents who would rather their kids think that gender is not selectable when you have a public school curriculum that is fine with telling them it is, people who don’t like transgender people get upset because it’s affecting the control they have over their families, upbringing and values.", ">\n\nIt likely is having very little effect on their families and I imagine few of them are actually exposed to it with any kind of regularity. Rather, they hear that it's some sort of big deal from Fox News and others and so they believe it.\nTransgender people in women's sports? There are only a handful of instances of this being an issue across the entire country.\nPublic school curriculum? In most places will have absolutely zero lessons regarding this topic.", ">\n\nYou’re describing things that are currently changing. There is far more than a handful of women in men’s sports in high schools. I don’t really care about that issue. A huge portion of trans rights is having trans representation in sex education. As there should be, if society is to be respectful to this. So what you’re currently describing is the state of affairs that the success of trans rights and gender fluidity recognition intends to change. The conservative reaction is to that.", ">\n\n\nThe conservative reaction is to that.\n\nThe conservative reaction is to trans people existing. American conservatives have been fighting a culture war since 1960, continuously, and they just mad lib in words from today. The actual target doesn't really matter. What matters is that there is a target.", ">\n\nI’m referring to all the news stories that have come up in the past two years about trans people.", ">\n\nYes you're right, there are a great many of overblown fear-mongering articles about trans folks coming out lately. As the poster above you said: there needs to be a target for hate, doesn't matter who.", ">\n\nYes, welcome to the past 30 years of LGBT electoral politics.", ">\n\nThere’s a ton of homophobic and transphobia in the black community and it’s weird it’s not brought up more often", ">\n\nYes. Black trans women are the most targeted minority there is. \nYou’d think always being a target of bigotry and hate, that you wouldn’t pass that on.", ">\n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n-Lyndon B. Johnson\nReplace white with black and 'colored' with Trans and you got a new working recipe. Nobody is immune to prejudice, its just with black people the irony is extremely noticable. Theres no reason black people wouldn't be susceptable to the same ploy as white people.", ">\n\nTrue.", ">\n\nSomething like 90 percent of black people vote Democrat compared to something like 40 percent of white people.\nIf you compare 90 percent of any population to the most liberal 40 percent of any other population it'd be mind blowing if the larger group wasn't more conservative. \nThis is a bit like being dismayed to discover that 50 percent of school children have below average intelligence.", ">\n\nThis is like no shit Sherlock moment. It’s known that homophobia and transphobia is large in the black community so this would be reflected in the democratically elected people of that community. Like a problem sure but not a surprising one.", ">\n\nWork in healthcare. Almost all anti-vax staff (that I know of) were black. Especially the religious, older generation. \nI know there is a long historical reason for their believes but its still a noticable pattern.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. I live in a deep blue neighborhood with a lot of black and Hispanic individuals, and they generally don't get along with (or are neutral towards) the LGBTQ+ community. There's also a lot of \"anti race mixing\" type drama against interracial couples (like a black and white couple having a light-skinned black kid).\nThe younger 20-something ones are very far left, though. One young black man was going door to door supporting a petition for UBI and a $20/hour minimum wage in California that most people in the apartment complex I live in (including myself) signed, I had a really cool discussion with him (he put me on the idea of constitutionally guaranteed housing). It's mostly the older ones that are still center-right.", ">\n\nA lot of Black people are actually pretty socially conservative, my family included. Kind of ironic that Republicans could have a real untapped voting block if they weren't so vehemently dedicated to racist pandering.", ">\n\nYou mean the big tent party is not a monolith? 😱", ">\n\nWasn't there something unusual that happened in California regarding a proposition on gay marriage at the same time Obama was on the ballot that ties into this idea?", ">\n\nAnd shockingly, their personal opinions DONT carry so much hate with them, that they’re willing to vote against their own best interests to ensure we all know who they hate.\nGive me more groups of people who are uninterested in the coming and going’s of another group and are just willing to vote for the greater good, I’ll take that. \nPlenty of white democrat voters dont grasp the extent at which black people are still unfairly treated in the US. They still vote for the people who do, because ultimately… the greater good.\nHere is an alternate headline: Black Democrats overwhelmingly prove they’re willing to protect the rights of others, even when they admittedly don’t understand them.", ">\n\nThis. This right here exactly. Voting from spite seems to be unique to white conservatives.", ">\n\nUh yeah, democrats are a coalition, not really an ideology", ">\n\nI'll get down voted for this but who cares, this is not an important issue. We need to focus on class solidarity rather than culture war topics that effect .5% of the population. Yes it's transphobic , but these talking points are a smoke screen used to divide us proletariate against each other. Our wealth has been and continues to be stolen from us by the one percent. We are under constant class warfare and we fight amongst ourselves. First we need to raise the floor, and create a more egalitarian society: one in which there is equality of opportunity, one in which we have our basic needs met for, and one in which we earn our proper share of the wealth we create. Once we achieve these goals literacy, empathy, and cultural tolerance will floresh; but we need to focus on the fight that is in front of us that effects the majority, the proletariate, first.", ">\n\nI agree with the need for class solidarity. We need to desperately address wealth inequality and fight the rich. However, Republicans are committing genocide against transgender people. You might see that word in my previous sentence, “genocide”, and say to yourself, “she’s just being dramatic, the Republicans are just passing reasonable, common-sense medical restrictions on a fringe group of weirdos”. \nFrom the United Nations:\nIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:\n1.) Killing members of the group;\n2.) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;\n3.) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;\n4.) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;\n5.) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group\n——-\n1.) Transgender people are frequently murdered. \n2.) Transgender people are frequently “legislative refugees”, and are leaving deep red states as quick as they can (if they can afford to), while the laws dictating how old you can be to transition looks like they’re gonna aim to raise it from 21 to 26 this year. One such law is called the “Millstone Act”. That’s only gonna increase. \n3.) Red states don’t cover trans health care, leaving trans people poorer than cis people. \n4.) HRT frequently sterilizes trans people, but for those that remain fertile, some countries have enforced sterilization. \n5.) Step right up and watch Texas investigate the parents of trans kids for child abuse using CPS..\nYou don’t need to even meet all the qualifications of genocide for it to BE genocide. So any time I see a Democrat say “we need to say, ‘fuck trans people, we need to focus on more important things’, I say:\nHow will history judge you for standing aside and letting this happen? Will they understand in fifty years why you had to let one of our most vulnerable minority groups be fed to the wolves to pass a legislative agenda? In a hundred?", ">\n\nNo I understand all that let me be clear, I am addressing the title of the article. I don't think addressing the transphobia of poor black people should come before addressing the material inequality that black people are subjected to. If we address these issues first then what will follow is a more educated and empathetic people. Right now people are experiencing food and housing insecurity or at the very the threat of this. Wages are stagnant, and the police state is growing in it's power and reach while being routinely championed by media. A lot of Americans do not have the time, education, or luxury to worry about a virtually invisible minority. I agree that conservatives are monsters but articles like this just exist to divide us. \nI am not saying we should not be using the law to protect people, I agree with this. I just don't think we need neo liberal articles trying to point fingers at an already marginalized group of people and saying they are part of the problem.", ">\n\nI agree that we need to address material inequality over the feelings of a demographic.\nI just also believe that the “virtually invisible minority” needs to be saved from the opposition’s efforts to kill them all. Of course, as a trans person myself, I vote Democrat. If the Republican Party platform was pro-trans (somehow) and they still held all their current positions otherwise, I would still vote Democrat, because opposition to the science of climate change, systemic inequality, racism, xenophobia, and rampant narcissism are still not qualities I look for in a leader.\nTL;DR version: article is garbage trying to fan the flames of contention, hurting trans people is GOP priority #1 and I wish Democrats would stand with us the way we stand with them.", ">\n\nMaybe the real goal should be to try not to fit all Black Democrats or all Black people into boxes. The word monolith gets tossed around a lot as a bad thing, and it is, but it still seems to be the thing pollsters try to create and pretend that they have identified.", ">\n\nSure, but that isn’t an exclusively black democrat or black people problem. Society puts people into boxes all the time I.e. conservatives are xyz, democrats are xyz, white America has an xyz problem, etc.", ">\n\nThis seems like it should be the #1 priority in messaging. Draw parallels between minority issues and gay rights. Introduce your gay selves to black people so they can see you're not that different.\nFixing this now would be ideal.", ">\n\nAs a very liberal black person, let me just say: duh", ">\n\nIsn’t the black community known for being pretty homophobic in general? I thought that was common knowledge?", ">\n\nBig difference between personal morality and wanting to impose your religious values on everyone else through government. Black Christians fundamentally understand tolerance doesn't necessarily mean approval. That's a level of maturity the far right and far left haven't achieved.", ">\n\nThose last two sentences need to be said waaaay more", ">\n\nBlack Americans sre Christians, the great enigma.", ">\n\nMany younger ones are not as religious as their parents.", ">\n\nHomophobia in the black community? Stoppp", ">\n\nIf Republican’s were not openly racist at least 1/2 of African Americans would vote for them. But Republicans would lose 2/3’s of whites who would start voting by class, so Republican’s cultivate and maintain racist values in the party.", ">\n\nOf course they do. Uneducated black people and uneducated white people are the same. Skin color plays no role. Bigoted regressive views are to be expected.", ">\n\nIt's not surprising. The monolithic portion of the black community in the US is rife with toxic masculinity.\nThat's sad is that all those Trans people really just want to exist. Imagine the pettiness required to say to someone \"You can't do this thing that will help make you whole because I don't feel like having to think about it.\".\nBut that war's already lost. Trans acceptance is only going to increase, and eventually it'll be mundane, and people will look back and wonder why people were so backward.", ">\n\nThis is because the black community is more religious feels that the black family unit has taken serious damage from the War in Drugs, Mass incarceration, Systemic racism etc.\nThis is coming from an entirely different place than what we are seeing in the GOP, and is not necessarily indicative of the same anti-LGBTQ+ bullshit that is taking place on that side of the isle.\nHowever, the black community will continue to support democrats for the time being, because the overwhelming consensus is that the brand of conservatism that is currently ruling the GOP is the main threat that has hurt them in the first place for decades.", ">\n\nIt's also indiscriminate, no matter what sides Black Americans fall on there's something that party has done to make their lives worse.", ">\n\nThere is a fault line within the Democratic party. Black democrats are ready to split not just on transgender issues but also inclusivity of other minorities.\nSome of the chief plaintiffs in the affirmative action case before the SC are Asian Americans, not because they opposed Black students getting extra points compared to White students but because Asian students had admission points deducted from them for being Asian. There are deep fissures between Jewish Americans and African Americans as well. \nA decent candidate running on black liberation theology could easily spoil a democratic presidency in 2024.", ">\n\nHoly shit this is pure uncut hopium. \nDifference in opinion and attitudes isn’t a sign of impending conflict. Hell, even if it were, it really speaks to how much those voting blocks hate Republicans. \nI know, I know, I know, Kanye could do it or whatever, it’s ok.", ">\n\nDo you really think the long standing issues between these minority groups is really due to a difference of opinion? A Farrakhan type or endorsed candidate could easily spoil a tight election in 2024. They would likely need less than 2 percent of the vote in certain swing states. Biden already has declining approval among Black Americans. The bifurcated American Politics of \"Left vs. Right\" doesn't reflect reality.", ">\n\nIt reflects election results though. \nEvery voting block could break itself into atomized parties. You simultaneously believe these voting blocks don’t know their party doesn’t represent their objectives to the degree they would like. While also, believing these voters would form a new party when they realize that? \nYou’re just wish-casting a scenario where Kanye is politically viable. You can present it in the most mealy mouthed way possible, it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting at.", ">\n\nI'm not and zero. Index funds only for this guy.", ">\n\nAh so you don't even yield to the pretense of being okay with gay people", ">\n\nWhat are you talking about? I'm a gay man.", ">\n\nI'm a white male democrat in the south. I think sex is assigned at birth but gender is a social construct. Someone can be genetically male but feel like a female and it doesn't hurt me to call them her if that's what she wants to be called. It takes zero effort to be kind. \nNow the whole sports issue is valid imo but Republicans use it on bad faith arguments. The issue is complicated but just call people what they want to be called. It's not hard.", ">\n\nThere’s a difference between call people what they want and hate speech laws though. And that’s not even close to where the political issue stops.", ">\n\nWhat are you even on about. I'm talking about day to day interactions with trans people. I don't think I said anything wrong?", ">\n\nI don’t think you said anything wrong either. And i largely agree on the day to day interaction side. What I’m saying is that isn’t where any of this stops.", ">\n\nWell im 30 and just came out as gay to my first person. I just recently accepted it myself. So I'm still trying to learn and grow as a person. It's hard being from the deep south and not knowing any of this.", ">\n\nDont use this to divide. Most of you regardless of your background have deeply transphobic views. No community but our own is safe for us.", ">\n\nIs that a helpful comment, to accuse \"most\" of wholesale transphobia?", ">\n\nHow could you possibly come to the conclusion that the purpose of this poll is \"to try to invalidate trans identities\"?", ">\n\nIt's almost like they have larger issues to deal with...", ">\n\nyep, gop could 100% steal most of the black vote if they weren't racists", ">\n\nChristianity is a regressive force.", ">\n\ntruth", ">\n\nGood thing there’s no poor white people. Otherwise they could use this excuse too", ">\n\nI'll bet poor white people don't give af about pronouns either..", ">\n\nThat’s the point - it’s not an excuse…\nJust like being poor isn’t an excuse for being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc", ">\n\nWe see this play out regularly in Democratic primaries every four years. The Republican's social conservatism is extreme. Sometimes they make a half-hearted effort to appeal to black religious conservatives. They get very poor results. However, if Democrats nominate a white social liberal, black turnout could suffer. I hope we are spared an ugly future fight between Kamala Harris and someone like Buttigieg. The nominating process is too often a popularity contest. Democrats need to nominate someone who can win a general election. If you happen to like the strongest general election candidate, great. If we nominate the weaker candidate because they are more \"likeable,\" they will often lose a general election to the Republican.\nEdit: If you don't understand nuance, I need to state--This is only an opinion. It does not mean I like it.", ">\n\nI too hope Kamala and Pete are not our only options.", ">\n\nThe names were only used as an example. I fear that the primary voters will find a way to fuck it up, regardless of the candidates.", ">\n\nLet’s remember that Biden has been pretty clear in his support of trans people and was chosen by conservative black voters in SC. People are capable of choosing people they mostly agree with or think will be a good leader even if they don’t agree on all issues. I disagree with Biden on tons of stuff and did not vote for him in the primary, but he has been a very effective president. What this poll shows is that a lot of education is needed in all the communities surveyed and that will take time.", ">\n\nWhat a shock black people can be bigots too no matter how much they try and claim they can't be because of oppression.", ">\n\nYou cannot demand equality when it comes to race and and ethnicity and at the same time discriminate when it comes to sexual preference and identity. At least not if you're an honest, respectable person with integrity.", ">\n\nyou use 'can' in a descriptive way, I use it in a normative way", ">\n\nI see A LOT of white people talking about black folks in here.\nAnd there are A LOT of ASSUMPTIONS and GENERALIZATIONS too.\nSmh", ">\n\nHow exactly do you see a lot of skin color in an online forum with anonymous usernames and no avatars or personal photos?", ">\n\nMaybe I should correct myself and say a lot of NON BLACK people.\nI think it's pretty clear based on how people are speaking here.... \nBlack people are not some monolith group that can be categorized as such. We're ALL individuals with our own beliefs, values, and experiences.\nYet, I'm reading comments here saying \" Well no surprise, black people are pretty religious\".\" Black people are very socially conservative.\" \" Black people would vote Republican if it weren't obvious that they hated them\" ETC.\nExcuse me but wtf? To me at least as an obvious black person who isn't afraid to share their racial identity in this space, I know EXACTLY how non black people talk about us. Black people never generalize the group or other blacks like what's being said here.\nThe reality is most Black people are just as varied and diverse as anyone else in reality. And these generalizations aren't the answer at all.\nThe real answer to this question is that gender isn't a social construct, it's a reality. Blacks, having experienced 400 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow, having literally everything else as far as identity taken away from them KNOW this is fact. \nA man is a man and a woman is a woman no matter how you slice it. And there are natural differences within them both physiological and psychological and that is just the very genetic essence of the species.... (Yeah hermaphrodites exist but they are anomalies of nature that often die off fast and are infertile).\nWith that said, everyone can choose to do whatever and live life the way they want socially. But that doesn't change reality itself. And I think that's where A LOT of others get things mixed up.\nNow why is any of this relevant to me? Because I'm an agnostic and socially liberal black person, yet I still hold this belief despite it being considered \"conservative\" by folks here. And I'm FAR from the only black person who has commented here that breaks the highly upvoted generalization commented in this sub.\nAnd no, I have no interest in making legislation to hurt anyone. And to even see any comments even suggesting this idea, totally disregarding the history of American blacks as a suppressed and disenfranchised group is disgusting and laughable. \nThe vast majority of black folks, regardless of how religious or not or how liberal or conservative have absolutely no interest in hurting other people through legislation.....Come on...\nThere is so much groupthink here that any time that something doesn't fall in line with how people are TOLD to view things, that it's immediately viewed as a negative or a problem instead of what it really is, just a difference....", ">\n\nUnderstood. I see what you mean in that case. It’s very similar to those who commented on the midterms about the Hispanic/Mexican/Cuban voting bloc and how there is a Republican shift happening. But instead of looking at the voting results they attempted to make correlations with cause.", ">\n\nYet, Black people vote for Dems at higher rates than any other race. I’d say surveyors and pollsters might need to update their methodology.", ">\n\nPeople can believe this and not vote to discriminate against LBGTQ people.", ">\n\nI never understood how people can get so wrapped up in semantics. \nWe previously used sex and gender interchangeably, which wasn't really correct. Now, the two words are finally being used in the correct way: One is biological XX/XY and the other is a social definition. \nIt's as simple as that. JFC. Neither me or any of my liberal friends have any difficulty over this or are offended in any manner by saying there is a biological chromosomal sex difference. IT IS annoying when (predominantly right wing) people interchange the two words out of ignorance and then berate us for it. Yes, there can be many genders. No, there is only two sexes. Get over it. Stop your BS, dog whistle, victim mentality, fake culture war.", ">\n\nIt says Sex on my drivers license but people still want to put whatever letter they want. It’s not at all as simple as that.", ">\n\nThis is framing it wrong.\nThe better question is: why do you care?", ">\n\nWhy do you care is one of the most annoying arguments used in politics today", ">\n\nExactly. (Ask melania trump.)", ">\n\nQuestion, what is the breakdown of demographics by age of these black democrats? Are young black people more or less likely to be democrats / independents / or republicans? That was my immediate question, but i am also curious if black democrats support or oppose complete bans on transgender people. My assumption are that black democrats are a) older than other democrats (and thus more likely to be influenced by religion and prior social norms) b) more socially conservative c) disenfranchised (to the point that democratic messaging about transgender people directed towards them is non-existent).", ">\n\nNot really that surprising.\nBlack culture is still fairly unaccepting of LGBT as a whole (*In America), it's an ongoing cultural issue that's slowly changing but will take time. \nIn reality if Republicans put some actual effort into not fucking over black communities for a generation they'd probably be more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.", ">\n\nFirst world problems lol", ">\n\nI think we need to have the conversation that is 100% not anyone's business except the individual as to how they describe themselves. Of course, we need to have the conversation with the individual that gender at birth matters for health reasons of course but otherwise gender is a social construct except for reasons of biology.\nThe fact we even have to be concerned with \"rights\" for those who consider themselves transgender shows that there are a lot of people out there who feel they have rights to how others besides themselves label themselves. This is a sad state of affairs and little more than people trying to control the experiences of others outside themselves.", ">\n\nSeems like a pretty broad statement to make based on only a small sunset surveyed.", ">\n\nBlack peoples position on abortions for trans people in Taiwan (not China) ...... Ya I'm not touching that topic with a 10.5ft pole", ">\n\nInteresting result and in some cases they will go main stream", ">\n\nPeople have a right to vote in what they think is correct and agreeable to their values.", ">\n\nTbh all this article has shown me is fuck Republicans.", ">\n\nThis will probably not get noticed, but there is something wrong with that first chart. No way White is 72% while Rep is only 13%. And you can’t get majority of total saying it’s birth gender when the breakdown of race shows all but black show indicating gender can change.", ">\n\nThis is not new information, anyone who’s spent time around black democrats or black people and general will realize this", ">\n\nAh, makes sense why conservatives are going so hard on this issue lately. It plays well with their base and they are desperate to break up the black voting bloc to have a better chance in future elections.", ">\n\nThis is why it’s unsurprising that the democrats are losing black voters to the GOP (although not a lot overall) at a faster and faster rate as the GOP reverts to LGBT issues as their primary wedge issue.\nBlack communities overall are conservative and religious. The only reason they vote Democrat largely is because of the fact that the GOP is full of out and proud racists. That’s it. If the GOP dropped racism from their platform, a large section of the black community would vote GOP within 10 years", ">\n\nThis is well known to most except for the most liberal of white Dems. They think civil rights are a monolith and a unifying cause for all blue voters.\nIt’s not at all. Not all people of color are that one girl from your class in college. There are many many regressive views held in these communities and as a party, the Dems realize this.\nHence no progressive nominee for president." ]

[ "They also tend to be more religious, as well. Are we shocked or surprised by this? Is this unknown information?", ">\n\nI'm not. This is well documentated, they tend to be more religous and socially conservative than other democrats. They also oppose abortion at a higher rate.", ">\n\n\nsocially conservative than other democrats.\n\nAnd I suspect its because Black people overwhelmingly break for Democrats. Where a white conservative person would typically vote for a Republican, the Black Conservative person may STILL vote Democrat due to the rampant racism apparent in the Republican party. \nIn other words, Black people aren't more conservative as a whole, they are just more Conservative when only looking at Democrats. (I would love to see actual data to back up this suspicion of mine)", ">\n\nIt's unlikely to be identical, since racial inequality leads to different racial balances among groups like academia and rural labor that tend to heavily influence political leanings. \nEither way, the reality is that the Republicans could pick up more votes by shifting to oppose racism but favor religious discrimination more highly.", ">\n\nBut then they’d lose the votes of the poor whites who don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy but do care about racism. So would it really be a net gain in votes?", ">\n\nThe trick is, most of those people also favor religious discrimination.", ">\n\nBut how many of them care about religious discrimination more than racial discrimination? It can’t be all of them.", ">\n\n.... a lot of them. It's not ok to say racist shit in polite company but it's absolutely OK to most people in most situations to say if people don't accept Jesus they'll rot in Hell.", ">\n\nNot really surprising if a person has spent any time hanging out with Black Democrats, or just a lot of Black people in general. Worth pointing out though that imho you’d have seen these same results probably if you asked about marriage equality 15 years ago.", ">\n\nI remember reading exactly this about marriage equality 15 years ago. If I recall correctly, most demographic groups had kind of the same breakdown as far as for/against, except Jewish people skewed heavily in favor of marriage equality and black people skewed against marriage equality. I was kind of surprised at the black part back then, but it made me not surprised at this headline today.", ">\n\nTrust me, not all other non-black democrats have the same views on this stuff either.", ">\n\nBut does that translate into them wanting to legislate it", ">\n\n\\^This. Personal beliefs don't always translate into policy preferences. White evangelicals are the group that seems most likely to just treat it as a given that their individual religious beliefs NEED to be codified into law.", ">\n\nYep.\nTheres a difference between being uncomfortable with something, thinking its strange, thinking its not in line with your beliefs etc and actively wanting the law to get involved.", ">\n\nAs a black person, particularly an atheist city-dweller, this is where I experience the greatest schism with my own community. In my mind, there are precisely zero differences between our own struggles for civil rights and those of the LBGTQ community. We should be holding hands in our fights against marginalization, not flirting with religiosity and conservative politics.\nI think it's a shame that black people cling to the white man's religion in the first place, but to follow it to the extent that you can't identify with those suffering right alongside you... Especially when the Black gay community is so fucking inventive and imitated (house music, fashion trends, slang, etc...), you'd think there'd be more acceptance.", ">\n\nI’d like your opinion on something I can’t quite fully wrap my head around. \nI’m also athiest, and pretty far on the progressive side of things generally. I fully support equality for the LBGTQ community. \nI’ve tried asking this question before and just get immediately slammed as a right wing shill. But I have a decade of comments people can check to be sure that’s not the case. \nI truly want to be an ally for trans people. I ask this question so that I can confidently support the community. \nIn your mind, is it different for someone born with XY chromosomes and male body parts to identify as a woman than a white girl like Rachel Dolezal to identify as black?\nI have a very hard time differentiating between those two scenarios and thought maybe you could help me out.", ">\n\nSee? This is the only answer I ever get. \nI’m being 100% authentic. If someone can’t lay out an answer for someone literally begging to be on the correct side of things, how do you expect to have this conversation with someone who is resistant to the idea? \nThere is no trap. Just try to answer the question clearly. \nTo me it’s a hard one and I’d like an answer that makes sense.", ">\n\nr/onejoke moment lol", ">\n\nHow do I talk to my bigoted uncles when they say this? I sincerely can’t get any help on the topic because all I get are empty YOU’RE JUST WRONG replies. \nI suspect it’s because you don’t have an answer to the question and are just as confused about it as I am but you don’t want to admit it. \nPlease prove me wrong.", ">\n\nDude, it’s in like every basic college text on the science of gender now - not only the answer you were given about brain structure, there are tons of other rare chromosomal configurations that give rise to mixtures of sex characteristics that combine typical male or female characteristics in various ways - not to mention intersex people exist who are born with genitals that aren’t clearly a penis or a vulva. On top of all of this you have tons of sociological research and studies, and queer theory, about the socialization of gender norms, the way they vary wildly across cultures, and shift over time in the same cultures - leading one to realize that gender expression is, for the most part, performative - through fashion choices and communication styles, and not related to one’s sex characteristics so much as their socialization. As such people have every right to express their gender however they feel like. Just do your own homework and read a chapter from a gender studies textbook. It’ll take you an hour at most.\nThat is, if you actually care that much about the topic as you seem to.", ">\n\nNot really shocking. The black community has historically been less accepting of the LGBTQ community. I think this has a lot to do with the role religion plays in much of the community", ">\n\nReligion is just a factor, if anything it’s just a portion of the trauma black Americans still suffer from due to slavery which contributes to current homophobia. I say this because even in non-religious black households (post black boomers) there’s still a high level of anti-LGBT rhetoric. (Side note: these non-religious black households I speak of also make more than 75k per year where I’m at so it could also be a socioeconomic “keeping up with the jones” thing as well)", ">\n\nWhat's the impetus for that anti-LGBTQ sentiment absent religion?", ">\n\nA lot of black people would vote Republican if Republicans weren’t intentionally and obviously anti-black.", ">\n\nRepublicans aren’t anti black, they just don’t kiss their ass like the Dems do", ">\n\nCome to the south lol. They hate us", ">\n\nFor real. I am a white guy living in the south. The absolutely vile shit that I’ve heard over the years because they think I’m “safe” is insane.", ">\n\nMy dad had a conversation with the sheriff of a local county who wouldn't stop saying the N word. It was clear he felt he was \"safe\". People still hold these beliefs they just keep quiet until they get alone with someone they think thinks the same things they do.", ">\n\nWhenever people assume black people are very progressive I just think they don’t actually know that many black people.", ">\n\nI get why politicians lean in to the trans issue in a negative way, because it’s a hot-button topic that whips up a base. What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit whether or not someone else identifies as a different gender. What’s the problem here? It took all of 10 minutes of googling to understand that I’m a white cis male, and that other people may or may not identify as such. Boom. Done. I learned something new and now other people hopefully feel more comfortable around me. Why is denying trans rights a hill that so many people are willing to die on?!", ">\n\nThe reason it’s an issue is because it affects public policy about access to things based upon gender. It also significantly affects how this stuff is talked about with kids and supersedes parenting in many cases. It affects parents who would rather their kids think that gender is not selectable when you have a public school curriculum that is fine with telling them it is, people who don’t like transgender people get upset because it’s affecting the control they have over their families, upbringing and values.", ">\n\nIt likely is having very little effect on their families and I imagine few of them are actually exposed to it with any kind of regularity. Rather, they hear that it's some sort of big deal from Fox News and others and so they believe it.\nTransgender people in women's sports? There are only a handful of instances of this being an issue across the entire country.\nPublic school curriculum? In most places will have absolutely zero lessons regarding this topic.", ">\n\nYou’re describing things that are currently changing. There is far more than a handful of women in men’s sports in high schools. I don’t really care about that issue. A huge portion of trans rights is having trans representation in sex education. As there should be, if society is to be respectful to this. So what you’re currently describing is the state of affairs that the success of trans rights and gender fluidity recognition intends to change. The conservative reaction is to that.", ">\n\n\nThe conservative reaction is to that.\n\nThe conservative reaction is to trans people existing. American conservatives have been fighting a culture war since 1960, continuously, and they just mad lib in words from today. The actual target doesn't really matter. What matters is that there is a target.", ">\n\nI’m referring to all the news stories that have come up in the past two years about trans people.", ">\n\nYes you're right, there are a great many of overblown fear-mongering articles about trans folks coming out lately. As the poster above you said: there needs to be a target for hate, doesn't matter who.", ">\n\nYes, welcome to the past 30 years of LGBT electoral politics.", ">\n\nThere’s a ton of homophobic and transphobia in the black community and it’s weird it’s not brought up more often", ">\n\nYes. Black trans women are the most targeted minority there is. \nYou’d think always being a target of bigotry and hate, that you wouldn’t pass that on.", ">\n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n-Lyndon B. Johnson\nReplace white with black and 'colored' with Trans and you got a new working recipe. Nobody is immune to prejudice, its just with black people the irony is extremely noticable. Theres no reason black people wouldn't be susceptable to the same ploy as white people.", ">\n\nTrue.", ">\n\nSomething like 90 percent of black people vote Democrat compared to something like 40 percent of white people.\nIf you compare 90 percent of any population to the most liberal 40 percent of any other population it'd be mind blowing if the larger group wasn't more conservative. \nThis is a bit like being dismayed to discover that 50 percent of school children have below average intelligence.", ">\n\nThis is like no shit Sherlock moment. It’s known that homophobia and transphobia is large in the black community so this would be reflected in the democratically elected people of that community. Like a problem sure but not a surprising one.", ">\n\nWork in healthcare. Almost all anti-vax staff (that I know of) were black. Especially the religious, older generation. \nI know there is a long historical reason for their believes but its still a noticable pattern.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. I live in a deep blue neighborhood with a lot of black and Hispanic individuals, and they generally don't get along with (or are neutral towards) the LGBTQ+ community. There's also a lot of \"anti race mixing\" type drama against interracial couples (like a black and white couple having a light-skinned black kid).\nThe younger 20-something ones are very far left, though. One young black man was going door to door supporting a petition for UBI and a $20/hour minimum wage in California that most people in the apartment complex I live in (including myself) signed, I had a really cool discussion with him (he put me on the idea of constitutionally guaranteed housing). It's mostly the older ones that are still center-right.", ">\n\nA lot of Black people are actually pretty socially conservative, my family included. Kind of ironic that Republicans could have a real untapped voting block if they weren't so vehemently dedicated to racist pandering.", ">\n\nYou mean the big tent party is not a monolith? 😱", ">\n\nWasn't there something unusual that happened in California regarding a proposition on gay marriage at the same time Obama was on the ballot that ties into this idea?", ">\n\nAnd shockingly, their personal opinions DONT carry so much hate with them, that they’re willing to vote against their own best interests to ensure we all know who they hate.\nGive me more groups of people who are uninterested in the coming and going’s of another group and are just willing to vote for the greater good, I’ll take that. \nPlenty of white democrat voters dont grasp the extent at which black people are still unfairly treated in the US. They still vote for the people who do, because ultimately… the greater good.\nHere is an alternate headline: Black Democrats overwhelmingly prove they’re willing to protect the rights of others, even when they admittedly don’t understand them.", ">\n\nThis. This right here exactly. Voting from spite seems to be unique to white conservatives.", ">\n\nUh yeah, democrats are a coalition, not really an ideology", ">\n\nI'll get down voted for this but who cares, this is not an important issue. We need to focus on class solidarity rather than culture war topics that effect .5% of the population. Yes it's transphobic , but these talking points are a smoke screen used to divide us proletariate against each other. Our wealth has been and continues to be stolen from us by the one percent. We are under constant class warfare and we fight amongst ourselves. First we need to raise the floor, and create a more egalitarian society: one in which there is equality of opportunity, one in which we have our basic needs met for, and one in which we earn our proper share of the wealth we create. Once we achieve these goals literacy, empathy, and cultural tolerance will floresh; but we need to focus on the fight that is in front of us that effects the majority, the proletariate, first.", ">\n\nI agree with the need for class solidarity. We need to desperately address wealth inequality and fight the rich. However, Republicans are committing genocide against transgender people. You might see that word in my previous sentence, “genocide”, and say to yourself, “she’s just being dramatic, the Republicans are just passing reasonable, common-sense medical restrictions on a fringe group of weirdos”. \nFrom the United Nations:\nIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:\n1.) Killing members of the group;\n2.) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;\n3.) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;\n4.) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;\n5.) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group\n——-\n1.) Transgender people are frequently murdered. \n2.) Transgender people are frequently “legislative refugees”, and are leaving deep red states as quick as they can (if they can afford to), while the laws dictating how old you can be to transition looks like they’re gonna aim to raise it from 21 to 26 this year. One such law is called the “Millstone Act”. That’s only gonna increase. \n3.) Red states don’t cover trans health care, leaving trans people poorer than cis people. \n4.) HRT frequently sterilizes trans people, but for those that remain fertile, some countries have enforced sterilization. \n5.) Step right up and watch Texas investigate the parents of trans kids for child abuse using CPS..\nYou don’t need to even meet all the qualifications of genocide for it to BE genocide. So any time I see a Democrat say “we need to say, ‘fuck trans people, we need to focus on more important things’, I say:\nHow will history judge you for standing aside and letting this happen? Will they understand in fifty years why you had to let one of our most vulnerable minority groups be fed to the wolves to pass a legislative agenda? In a hundred?", ">\n\nNo I understand all that let me be clear, I am addressing the title of the article. I don't think addressing the transphobia of poor black people should come before addressing the material inequality that black people are subjected to. If we address these issues first then what will follow is a more educated and empathetic people. Right now people are experiencing food and housing insecurity or at the very the threat of this. Wages are stagnant, and the police state is growing in it's power and reach while being routinely championed by media. A lot of Americans do not have the time, education, or luxury to worry about a virtually invisible minority. I agree that conservatives are monsters but articles like this just exist to divide us. \nI am not saying we should not be using the law to protect people, I agree with this. I just don't think we need neo liberal articles trying to point fingers at an already marginalized group of people and saying they are part of the problem.", ">\n\nI agree that we need to address material inequality over the feelings of a demographic.\nI just also believe that the “virtually invisible minority” needs to be saved from the opposition’s efforts to kill them all. Of course, as a trans person myself, I vote Democrat. If the Republican Party platform was pro-trans (somehow) and they still held all their current positions otherwise, I would still vote Democrat, because opposition to the science of climate change, systemic inequality, racism, xenophobia, and rampant narcissism are still not qualities I look for in a leader.\nTL;DR version: article is garbage trying to fan the flames of contention, hurting trans people is GOP priority #1 and I wish Democrats would stand with us the way we stand with them.", ">\n\nMaybe the real goal should be to try not to fit all Black Democrats or all Black people into boxes. The word monolith gets tossed around a lot as a bad thing, and it is, but it still seems to be the thing pollsters try to create and pretend that they have identified.", ">\n\nSure, but that isn’t an exclusively black democrat or black people problem. Society puts people into boxes all the time I.e. conservatives are xyz, democrats are xyz, white America has an xyz problem, etc.", ">\n\nThis seems like it should be the #1 priority in messaging. Draw parallels between minority issues and gay rights. Introduce your gay selves to black people so they can see you're not that different.\nFixing this now would be ideal.", ">\n\nAs a very liberal black person, let me just say: duh", ">\n\nIsn’t the black community known for being pretty homophobic in general? I thought that was common knowledge?", ">\n\nBig difference between personal morality and wanting to impose your religious values on everyone else through government. Black Christians fundamentally understand tolerance doesn't necessarily mean approval. That's a level of maturity the far right and far left haven't achieved.", ">\n\nThose last two sentences need to be said waaaay more", ">\n\nBlack Americans sre Christians, the great enigma.", ">\n\nMany younger ones are not as religious as their parents.", ">\n\nHomophobia in the black community? Stoppp", ">\n\nIf Republican’s were not openly racist at least 1/2 of African Americans would vote for them. But Republicans would lose 2/3’s of whites who would start voting by class, so Republican’s cultivate and maintain racist values in the party.", ">\n\nOf course they do. Uneducated black people and uneducated white people are the same. Skin color plays no role. Bigoted regressive views are to be expected.", ">\n\nIt's not surprising. The monolithic portion of the black community in the US is rife with toxic masculinity.\nThat's sad is that all those Trans people really just want to exist. Imagine the pettiness required to say to someone \"You can't do this thing that will help make you whole because I don't feel like having to think about it.\".\nBut that war's already lost. Trans acceptance is only going to increase, and eventually it'll be mundane, and people will look back and wonder why people were so backward.", ">\n\nThis is because the black community is more religious feels that the black family unit has taken serious damage from the War in Drugs, Mass incarceration, Systemic racism etc.\nThis is coming from an entirely different place than what we are seeing in the GOP, and is not necessarily indicative of the same anti-LGBTQ+ bullshit that is taking place on that side of the isle.\nHowever, the black community will continue to support democrats for the time being, because the overwhelming consensus is that the brand of conservatism that is currently ruling the GOP is the main threat that has hurt them in the first place for decades.", ">\n\nIt's also indiscriminate, no matter what sides Black Americans fall on there's something that party has done to make their lives worse.", ">\n\nThere is a fault line within the Democratic party. Black democrats are ready to split not just on transgender issues but also inclusivity of other minorities.\nSome of the chief plaintiffs in the affirmative action case before the SC are Asian Americans, not because they opposed Black students getting extra points compared to White students but because Asian students had admission points deducted from them for being Asian. There are deep fissures between Jewish Americans and African Americans as well. \nA decent candidate running on black liberation theology could easily spoil a democratic presidency in 2024.", ">\n\nHoly shit this is pure uncut hopium. \nDifference in opinion and attitudes isn’t a sign of impending conflict. Hell, even if it were, it really speaks to how much those voting blocks hate Republicans. \nI know, I know, I know, Kanye could do it or whatever, it’s ok.", ">\n\nDo you really think the long standing issues between these minority groups is really due to a difference of opinion? A Farrakhan type or endorsed candidate could easily spoil a tight election in 2024. They would likely need less than 2 percent of the vote in certain swing states. Biden already has declining approval among Black Americans. The bifurcated American Politics of \"Left vs. Right\" doesn't reflect reality.", ">\n\nIt reflects election results though. \nEvery voting block could break itself into atomized parties. You simultaneously believe these voting blocks don’t know their party doesn’t represent their objectives to the degree they would like. While also, believing these voters would form a new party when they realize that? \nYou’re just wish-casting a scenario where Kanye is politically viable. You can present it in the most mealy mouthed way possible, it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting at.", ">\n\nI'm not and zero. Index funds only for this guy.", ">\n\nAh so you don't even yield to the pretense of being okay with gay people", ">\n\nWhat are you talking about? I'm a gay man.", ">\n\nI'm a white male democrat in the south. I think sex is assigned at birth but gender is a social construct. Someone can be genetically male but feel like a female and it doesn't hurt me to call them her if that's what she wants to be called. It takes zero effort to be kind. \nNow the whole sports issue is valid imo but Republicans use it on bad faith arguments. The issue is complicated but just call people what they want to be called. It's not hard.", ">\n\nThere’s a difference between call people what they want and hate speech laws though. And that’s not even close to where the political issue stops.", ">\n\nWhat are you even on about. I'm talking about day to day interactions with trans people. I don't think I said anything wrong?", ">\n\nI don’t think you said anything wrong either. And i largely agree on the day to day interaction side. What I’m saying is that isn’t where any of this stops.", ">\n\nWell im 30 and just came out as gay to my first person. I just recently accepted it myself. So I'm still trying to learn and grow as a person. It's hard being from the deep south and not knowing any of this.", ">\n\nDont use this to divide. Most of you regardless of your background have deeply transphobic views. No community but our own is safe for us.", ">\n\nIs that a helpful comment, to accuse \"most\" of wholesale transphobia?", ">\n\nHow could you possibly come to the conclusion that the purpose of this poll is \"to try to invalidate trans identities\"?", ">\n\nIt's almost like they have larger issues to deal with...", ">\n\nyep, gop could 100% steal most of the black vote if they weren't racists", ">\n\nChristianity is a regressive force.", ">\n\ntruth", ">\n\nGood thing there’s no poor white people. Otherwise they could use this excuse too", ">\n\nI'll bet poor white people don't give af about pronouns either..", ">\n\nThat’s the point - it’s not an excuse…\nJust like being poor isn’t an excuse for being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc", ">\n\nWe see this play out regularly in Democratic primaries every four years. The Republican's social conservatism is extreme. Sometimes they make a half-hearted effort to appeal to black religious conservatives. They get very poor results. However, if Democrats nominate a white social liberal, black turnout could suffer. I hope we are spared an ugly future fight between Kamala Harris and someone like Buttigieg. The nominating process is too often a popularity contest. Democrats need to nominate someone who can win a general election. If you happen to like the strongest general election candidate, great. If we nominate the weaker candidate because they are more \"likeable,\" they will often lose a general election to the Republican.\nEdit: If you don't understand nuance, I need to state--This is only an opinion. It does not mean I like it.", ">\n\nI too hope Kamala and Pete are not our only options.", ">\n\nThe names were only used as an example. I fear that the primary voters will find a way to fuck it up, regardless of the candidates.", ">\n\nLet’s remember that Biden has been pretty clear in his support of trans people and was chosen by conservative black voters in SC. People are capable of choosing people they mostly agree with or think will be a good leader even if they don’t agree on all issues. I disagree with Biden on tons of stuff and did not vote for him in the primary, but he has been a very effective president. What this poll shows is that a lot of education is needed in all the communities surveyed and that will take time.", ">\n\nWhat a shock black people can be bigots too no matter how much they try and claim they can't be because of oppression.", ">\n\nYou cannot demand equality when it comes to race and and ethnicity and at the same time discriminate when it comes to sexual preference and identity. At least not if you're an honest, respectable person with integrity.", ">\n\nyou use 'can' in a descriptive way, I use it in a normative way", ">\n\nI see A LOT of white people talking about black folks in here.\nAnd there are A LOT of ASSUMPTIONS and GENERALIZATIONS too.\nSmh", ">\n\nHow exactly do you see a lot of skin color in an online forum with anonymous usernames and no avatars or personal photos?", ">\n\nMaybe I should correct myself and say a lot of NON BLACK people.\nI think it's pretty clear based on how people are speaking here.... \nBlack people are not some monolith group that can be categorized as such. We're ALL individuals with our own beliefs, values, and experiences.\nYet, I'm reading comments here saying \" Well no surprise, black people are pretty religious\".\" Black people are very socially conservative.\" \" Black people would vote Republican if it weren't obvious that they hated them\" ETC.\nExcuse me but wtf? To me at least as an obvious black person who isn't afraid to share their racial identity in this space, I know EXACTLY how non black people talk about us. Black people never generalize the group or other blacks like what's being said here.\nThe reality is most Black people are just as varied and diverse as anyone else in reality. And these generalizations aren't the answer at all.\nThe real answer to this question is that gender isn't a social construct, it's a reality. Blacks, having experienced 400 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow, having literally everything else as far as identity taken away from them KNOW this is fact. \nA man is a man and a woman is a woman no matter how you slice it. And there are natural differences within them both physiological and psychological and that is just the very genetic essence of the species.... (Yeah hermaphrodites exist but they are anomalies of nature that often die off fast and are infertile).\nWith that said, everyone can choose to do whatever and live life the way they want socially. But that doesn't change reality itself. And I think that's where A LOT of others get things mixed up.\nNow why is any of this relevant to me? Because I'm an agnostic and socially liberal black person, yet I still hold this belief despite it being considered \"conservative\" by folks here. And I'm FAR from the only black person who has commented here that breaks the highly upvoted generalization commented in this sub.\nAnd no, I have no interest in making legislation to hurt anyone. And to even see any comments even suggesting this idea, totally disregarding the history of American blacks as a suppressed and disenfranchised group is disgusting and laughable. \nThe vast majority of black folks, regardless of how religious or not or how liberal or conservative have absolutely no interest in hurting other people through legislation.....Come on...\nThere is so much groupthink here that any time that something doesn't fall in line with how people are TOLD to view things, that it's immediately viewed as a negative or a problem instead of what it really is, just a difference....", ">\n\nUnderstood. I see what you mean in that case. It’s very similar to those who commented on the midterms about the Hispanic/Mexican/Cuban voting bloc and how there is a Republican shift happening. But instead of looking at the voting results they attempted to make correlations with cause.", ">\n\nYet, Black people vote for Dems at higher rates than any other race. I’d say surveyors and pollsters might need to update their methodology.", ">\n\nPeople can believe this and not vote to discriminate against LBGTQ people.", ">\n\nI never understood how people can get so wrapped up in semantics. \nWe previously used sex and gender interchangeably, which wasn't really correct. Now, the two words are finally being used in the correct way: One is biological XX/XY and the other is a social definition. \nIt's as simple as that. JFC. Neither me or any of my liberal friends have any difficulty over this or are offended in any manner by saying there is a biological chromosomal sex difference. IT IS annoying when (predominantly right wing) people interchange the two words out of ignorance and then berate us for it. Yes, there can be many genders. No, there is only two sexes. Get over it. Stop your BS, dog whistle, victim mentality, fake culture war.", ">\n\nIt says Sex on my drivers license but people still want to put whatever letter they want. It’s not at all as simple as that.", ">\n\nThis is framing it wrong.\nThe better question is: why do you care?", ">\n\nWhy do you care is one of the most annoying arguments used in politics today", ">\n\nExactly. (Ask melania trump.)", ">\n\nQuestion, what is the breakdown of demographics by age of these black democrats? Are young black people more or less likely to be democrats / independents / or republicans? That was my immediate question, but i am also curious if black democrats support or oppose complete bans on transgender people. My assumption are that black democrats are a) older than other democrats (and thus more likely to be influenced by religion and prior social norms) b) more socially conservative c) disenfranchised (to the point that democratic messaging about transgender people directed towards them is non-existent).", ">\n\nNot really that surprising.\nBlack culture is still fairly unaccepting of LGBT as a whole (*In America), it's an ongoing cultural issue that's slowly changing but will take time. \nIn reality if Republicans put some actual effort into not fucking over black communities for a generation they'd probably be more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.", ">\n\nFirst world problems lol", ">\n\nI think we need to have the conversation that is 100% not anyone's business except the individual as to how they describe themselves. Of course, we need to have the conversation with the individual that gender at birth matters for health reasons of course but otherwise gender is a social construct except for reasons of biology.\nThe fact we even have to be concerned with \"rights\" for those who consider themselves transgender shows that there are a lot of people out there who feel they have rights to how others besides themselves label themselves. This is a sad state of affairs and little more than people trying to control the experiences of others outside themselves.", ">\n\nSeems like a pretty broad statement to make based on only a small sunset surveyed.", ">\n\nBlack peoples position on abortions for trans people in Taiwan (not China) ...... Ya I'm not touching that topic with a 10.5ft pole", ">\n\nInteresting result and in some cases they will go main stream", ">\n\nPeople have a right to vote in what they think is correct and agreeable to their values.", ">\n\nTbh all this article has shown me is fuck Republicans.", ">\n\nThis will probably not get noticed, but there is something wrong with that first chart. No way White is 72% while Rep is only 13%. And you can’t get majority of total saying it’s birth gender when the breakdown of race shows all but black show indicating gender can change.", ">\n\nThis is not new information, anyone who’s spent time around black democrats or black people and general will realize this", ">\n\nAh, makes sense why conservatives are going so hard on this issue lately. It plays well with their base and they are desperate to break up the black voting bloc to have a better chance in future elections.", ">\n\nThis is why it’s unsurprising that the democrats are losing black voters to the GOP (although not a lot overall) at a faster and faster rate as the GOP reverts to LGBT issues as their primary wedge issue.\nBlack communities overall are conservative and religious. The only reason they vote Democrat largely is because of the fact that the GOP is full of out and proud racists. That’s it. If the GOP dropped racism from their platform, a large section of the black community would vote GOP within 10 years", ">\n\nThis is well known to most except for the most liberal of white Dems. They think civil rights are a monolith and a unifying cause for all blue voters.\nIt’s not at all. Not all people of color are that one girl from your class in college. There are many many regressive views held in these communities and as a party, the Dems realize this.\nHence no progressive nominee for president.", ">\n\nOh wow, what a revelation. Democrats disagree, when Democrats have always disagreed. The Republicans are the Party of the wealthy and well connected mono thought. The Democrats are everyone else, so of course they disagree. As Will Rogers once remarked, \"I'm not a member of any organized political Party, I'm a Democrat!" ]

[ "They also tend to be more religious, as well. Are we shocked or surprised by this? Is this unknown information?", ">\n\nI'm not. This is well documentated, they tend to be more religous and socially conservative than other democrats. They also oppose abortion at a higher rate.", ">\n\n\nsocially conservative than other democrats.\n\nAnd I suspect its because Black people overwhelmingly break for Democrats. Where a white conservative person would typically vote for a Republican, the Black Conservative person may STILL vote Democrat due to the rampant racism apparent in the Republican party. \nIn other words, Black people aren't more conservative as a whole, they are just more Conservative when only looking at Democrats. (I would love to see actual data to back up this suspicion of mine)", ">\n\nIt's unlikely to be identical, since racial inequality leads to different racial balances among groups like academia and rural labor that tend to heavily influence political leanings. \nEither way, the reality is that the Republicans could pick up more votes by shifting to oppose racism but favor religious discrimination more highly.", ">\n\nBut then they’d lose the votes of the poor whites who don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy but do care about racism. So would it really be a net gain in votes?", ">\n\nThe trick is, most of those people also favor religious discrimination.", ">\n\nBut how many of them care about religious discrimination more than racial discrimination? It can’t be all of them.", ">\n\n.... a lot of them. It's not ok to say racist shit in polite company but it's absolutely OK to most people in most situations to say if people don't accept Jesus they'll rot in Hell.", ">\n\nNot really surprising if a person has spent any time hanging out with Black Democrats, or just a lot of Black people in general. Worth pointing out though that imho you’d have seen these same results probably if you asked about marriage equality 15 years ago.", ">\n\nI remember reading exactly this about marriage equality 15 years ago. If I recall correctly, most demographic groups had kind of the same breakdown as far as for/against, except Jewish people skewed heavily in favor of marriage equality and black people skewed against marriage equality. I was kind of surprised at the black part back then, but it made me not surprised at this headline today.", ">\n\nTrust me, not all other non-black democrats have the same views on this stuff either.", ">\n\nBut does that translate into them wanting to legislate it", ">\n\n\\^This. Personal beliefs don't always translate into policy preferences. White evangelicals are the group that seems most likely to just treat it as a given that their individual religious beliefs NEED to be codified into law.", ">\n\nYep.\nTheres a difference between being uncomfortable with something, thinking its strange, thinking its not in line with your beliefs etc and actively wanting the law to get involved.", ">\n\nAs a black person, particularly an atheist city-dweller, this is where I experience the greatest schism with my own community. In my mind, there are precisely zero differences between our own struggles for civil rights and those of the LBGTQ community. We should be holding hands in our fights against marginalization, not flirting with religiosity and conservative politics.\nI think it's a shame that black people cling to the white man's religion in the first place, but to follow it to the extent that you can't identify with those suffering right alongside you... Especially when the Black gay community is so fucking inventive and imitated (house music, fashion trends, slang, etc...), you'd think there'd be more acceptance.", ">\n\nI’d like your opinion on something I can’t quite fully wrap my head around. \nI’m also athiest, and pretty far on the progressive side of things generally. I fully support equality for the LBGTQ community. \nI’ve tried asking this question before and just get immediately slammed as a right wing shill. But I have a decade of comments people can check to be sure that’s not the case. \nI truly want to be an ally for trans people. I ask this question so that I can confidently support the community. \nIn your mind, is it different for someone born with XY chromosomes and male body parts to identify as a woman than a white girl like Rachel Dolezal to identify as black?\nI have a very hard time differentiating between those two scenarios and thought maybe you could help me out.", ">\n\nSee? This is the only answer I ever get. \nI’m being 100% authentic. If someone can’t lay out an answer for someone literally begging to be on the correct side of things, how do you expect to have this conversation with someone who is resistant to the idea? \nThere is no trap. Just try to answer the question clearly. \nTo me it’s a hard one and I’d like an answer that makes sense.", ">\n\nr/onejoke moment lol", ">\n\nHow do I talk to my bigoted uncles when they say this? I sincerely can’t get any help on the topic because all I get are empty YOU’RE JUST WRONG replies. \nI suspect it’s because you don’t have an answer to the question and are just as confused about it as I am but you don’t want to admit it. \nPlease prove me wrong.", ">\n\nDude, it’s in like every basic college text on the science of gender now - not only the answer you were given about brain structure, there are tons of other rare chromosomal configurations that give rise to mixtures of sex characteristics that combine typical male or female characteristics in various ways - not to mention intersex people exist who are born with genitals that aren’t clearly a penis or a vulva. On top of all of this you have tons of sociological research and studies, and queer theory, about the socialization of gender norms, the way they vary wildly across cultures, and shift over time in the same cultures - leading one to realize that gender expression is, for the most part, performative - through fashion choices and communication styles, and not related to one’s sex characteristics so much as their socialization. As such people have every right to express their gender however they feel like. Just do your own homework and read a chapter from a gender studies textbook. It’ll take you an hour at most.\nThat is, if you actually care that much about the topic as you seem to.", ">\n\nNot really shocking. The black community has historically been less accepting of the LGBTQ community. I think this has a lot to do with the role religion plays in much of the community", ">\n\nReligion is just a factor, if anything it’s just a portion of the trauma black Americans still suffer from due to slavery which contributes to current homophobia. I say this because even in non-religious black households (post black boomers) there’s still a high level of anti-LGBT rhetoric. (Side note: these non-religious black households I speak of also make more than 75k per year where I’m at so it could also be a socioeconomic “keeping up with the jones” thing as well)", ">\n\nWhat's the impetus for that anti-LGBTQ sentiment absent religion?", ">\n\nA lot of black people would vote Republican if Republicans weren’t intentionally and obviously anti-black.", ">\n\nRepublicans aren’t anti black, they just don’t kiss their ass like the Dems do", ">\n\nCome to the south lol. They hate us", ">\n\nFor real. I am a white guy living in the south. The absolutely vile shit that I’ve heard over the years because they think I’m “safe” is insane.", ">\n\nMy dad had a conversation with the sheriff of a local county who wouldn't stop saying the N word. It was clear he felt he was \"safe\". People still hold these beliefs they just keep quiet until they get alone with someone they think thinks the same things they do.", ">\n\nWhenever people assume black people are very progressive I just think they don’t actually know that many black people.", ">\n\nI get why politicians lean in to the trans issue in a negative way, because it’s a hot-button topic that whips up a base. What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit whether or not someone else identifies as a different gender. What’s the problem here? It took all of 10 minutes of googling to understand that I’m a white cis male, and that other people may or may not identify as such. Boom. Done. I learned something new and now other people hopefully feel more comfortable around me. Why is denying trans rights a hill that so many people are willing to die on?!", ">\n\nThe reason it’s an issue is because it affects public policy about access to things based upon gender. It also significantly affects how this stuff is talked about with kids and supersedes parenting in many cases. It affects parents who would rather their kids think that gender is not selectable when you have a public school curriculum that is fine with telling them it is, people who don’t like transgender people get upset because it’s affecting the control they have over their families, upbringing and values.", ">\n\nIt likely is having very little effect on their families and I imagine few of them are actually exposed to it with any kind of regularity. Rather, they hear that it's some sort of big deal from Fox News and others and so they believe it.\nTransgender people in women's sports? There are only a handful of instances of this being an issue across the entire country.\nPublic school curriculum? In most places will have absolutely zero lessons regarding this topic.", ">\n\nYou’re describing things that are currently changing. There is far more than a handful of women in men’s sports in high schools. I don’t really care about that issue. A huge portion of trans rights is having trans representation in sex education. As there should be, if society is to be respectful to this. So what you’re currently describing is the state of affairs that the success of trans rights and gender fluidity recognition intends to change. The conservative reaction is to that.", ">\n\n\nThe conservative reaction is to that.\n\nThe conservative reaction is to trans people existing. American conservatives have been fighting a culture war since 1960, continuously, and they just mad lib in words from today. The actual target doesn't really matter. What matters is that there is a target.", ">\n\nI’m referring to all the news stories that have come up in the past two years about trans people.", ">\n\nYes you're right, there are a great many of overblown fear-mongering articles about trans folks coming out lately. As the poster above you said: there needs to be a target for hate, doesn't matter who.", ">\n\nYes, welcome to the past 30 years of LGBT electoral politics.", ">\n\nThere’s a ton of homophobic and transphobia in the black community and it’s weird it’s not brought up more often", ">\n\nYes. Black trans women are the most targeted minority there is. \nYou’d think always being a target of bigotry and hate, that you wouldn’t pass that on.", ">\n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n-Lyndon B. Johnson\nReplace white with black and 'colored' with Trans and you got a new working recipe. Nobody is immune to prejudice, its just with black people the irony is extremely noticable. Theres no reason black people wouldn't be susceptable to the same ploy as white people.", ">\n\nTrue.", ">\n\nSomething like 90 percent of black people vote Democrat compared to something like 40 percent of white people.\nIf you compare 90 percent of any population to the most liberal 40 percent of any other population it'd be mind blowing if the larger group wasn't more conservative. \nThis is a bit like being dismayed to discover that 50 percent of school children have below average intelligence.", ">\n\nThis is like no shit Sherlock moment. It’s known that homophobia and transphobia is large in the black community so this would be reflected in the democratically elected people of that community. Like a problem sure but not a surprising one.", ">\n\nWork in healthcare. Almost all anti-vax staff (that I know of) were black. Especially the religious, older generation. \nI know there is a long historical reason for their believes but its still a noticable pattern.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. I live in a deep blue neighborhood with a lot of black and Hispanic individuals, and they generally don't get along with (or are neutral towards) the LGBTQ+ community. There's also a lot of \"anti race mixing\" type drama against interracial couples (like a black and white couple having a light-skinned black kid).\nThe younger 20-something ones are very far left, though. One young black man was going door to door supporting a petition for UBI and a $20/hour minimum wage in California that most people in the apartment complex I live in (including myself) signed, I had a really cool discussion with him (he put me on the idea of constitutionally guaranteed housing). It's mostly the older ones that are still center-right.", ">\n\nA lot of Black people are actually pretty socially conservative, my family included. Kind of ironic that Republicans could have a real untapped voting block if they weren't so vehemently dedicated to racist pandering.", ">\n\nYou mean the big tent party is not a monolith? 😱", ">\n\nWasn't there something unusual that happened in California regarding a proposition on gay marriage at the same time Obama was on the ballot that ties into this idea?", ">\n\nAnd shockingly, their personal opinions DONT carry so much hate with them, that they’re willing to vote against their own best interests to ensure we all know who they hate.\nGive me more groups of people who are uninterested in the coming and going’s of another group and are just willing to vote for the greater good, I’ll take that. \nPlenty of white democrat voters dont grasp the extent at which black people are still unfairly treated in the US. They still vote for the people who do, because ultimately… the greater good.\nHere is an alternate headline: Black Democrats overwhelmingly prove they’re willing to protect the rights of others, even when they admittedly don’t understand them.", ">\n\nThis. This right here exactly. Voting from spite seems to be unique to white conservatives.", ">\n\nUh yeah, democrats are a coalition, not really an ideology", ">\n\nI'll get down voted for this but who cares, this is not an important issue. We need to focus on class solidarity rather than culture war topics that effect .5% of the population. Yes it's transphobic , but these talking points are a smoke screen used to divide us proletariate against each other. Our wealth has been and continues to be stolen from us by the one percent. We are under constant class warfare and we fight amongst ourselves. First we need to raise the floor, and create a more egalitarian society: one in which there is equality of opportunity, one in which we have our basic needs met for, and one in which we earn our proper share of the wealth we create. Once we achieve these goals literacy, empathy, and cultural tolerance will floresh; but we need to focus on the fight that is in front of us that effects the majority, the proletariate, first.", ">\n\nI agree with the need for class solidarity. We need to desperately address wealth inequality and fight the rich. However, Republicans are committing genocide against transgender people. You might see that word in my previous sentence, “genocide”, and say to yourself, “she’s just being dramatic, the Republicans are just passing reasonable, common-sense medical restrictions on a fringe group of weirdos”. \nFrom the United Nations:\nIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:\n1.) Killing members of the group;\n2.) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;\n3.) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;\n4.) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;\n5.) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group\n——-\n1.) Transgender people are frequently murdered. \n2.) Transgender people are frequently “legislative refugees”, and are leaving deep red states as quick as they can (if they can afford to), while the laws dictating how old you can be to transition looks like they’re gonna aim to raise it from 21 to 26 this year. One such law is called the “Millstone Act”. That’s only gonna increase. \n3.) Red states don’t cover trans health care, leaving trans people poorer than cis people. \n4.) HRT frequently sterilizes trans people, but for those that remain fertile, some countries have enforced sterilization. \n5.) Step right up and watch Texas investigate the parents of trans kids for child abuse using CPS..\nYou don’t need to even meet all the qualifications of genocide for it to BE genocide. So any time I see a Democrat say “we need to say, ‘fuck trans people, we need to focus on more important things’, I say:\nHow will history judge you for standing aside and letting this happen? Will they understand in fifty years why you had to let one of our most vulnerable minority groups be fed to the wolves to pass a legislative agenda? In a hundred?", ">\n\nNo I understand all that let me be clear, I am addressing the title of the article. I don't think addressing the transphobia of poor black people should come before addressing the material inequality that black people are subjected to. If we address these issues first then what will follow is a more educated and empathetic people. Right now people are experiencing food and housing insecurity or at the very the threat of this. Wages are stagnant, and the police state is growing in it's power and reach while being routinely championed by media. A lot of Americans do not have the time, education, or luxury to worry about a virtually invisible minority. I agree that conservatives are monsters but articles like this just exist to divide us. \nI am not saying we should not be using the law to protect people, I agree with this. I just don't think we need neo liberal articles trying to point fingers at an already marginalized group of people and saying they are part of the problem.", ">\n\nI agree that we need to address material inequality over the feelings of a demographic.\nI just also believe that the “virtually invisible minority” needs to be saved from the opposition’s efforts to kill them all. Of course, as a trans person myself, I vote Democrat. If the Republican Party platform was pro-trans (somehow) and they still held all their current positions otherwise, I would still vote Democrat, because opposition to the science of climate change, systemic inequality, racism, xenophobia, and rampant narcissism are still not qualities I look for in a leader.\nTL;DR version: article is garbage trying to fan the flames of contention, hurting trans people is GOP priority #1 and I wish Democrats would stand with us the way we stand with them.", ">\n\nMaybe the real goal should be to try not to fit all Black Democrats or all Black people into boxes. The word monolith gets tossed around a lot as a bad thing, and it is, but it still seems to be the thing pollsters try to create and pretend that they have identified.", ">\n\nSure, but that isn’t an exclusively black democrat or black people problem. Society puts people into boxes all the time I.e. conservatives are xyz, democrats are xyz, white America has an xyz problem, etc.", ">\n\nThis seems like it should be the #1 priority in messaging. Draw parallels between minority issues and gay rights. Introduce your gay selves to black people so they can see you're not that different.\nFixing this now would be ideal.", ">\n\nAs a very liberal black person, let me just say: duh", ">\n\nIsn’t the black community known for being pretty homophobic in general? I thought that was common knowledge?", ">\n\nBig difference between personal morality and wanting to impose your religious values on everyone else through government. Black Christians fundamentally understand tolerance doesn't necessarily mean approval. That's a level of maturity the far right and far left haven't achieved.", ">\n\nThose last two sentences need to be said waaaay more", ">\n\nBlack Americans sre Christians, the great enigma.", ">\n\nMany younger ones are not as religious as their parents.", ">\n\nHomophobia in the black community? Stoppp", ">\n\nIf Republican’s were not openly racist at least 1/2 of African Americans would vote for them. But Republicans would lose 2/3’s of whites who would start voting by class, so Republican’s cultivate and maintain racist values in the party.", ">\n\nOf course they do. Uneducated black people and uneducated white people are the same. Skin color plays no role. Bigoted regressive views are to be expected.", ">\n\nIt's not surprising. The monolithic portion of the black community in the US is rife with toxic masculinity.\nThat's sad is that all those Trans people really just want to exist. Imagine the pettiness required to say to someone \"You can't do this thing that will help make you whole because I don't feel like having to think about it.\".\nBut that war's already lost. Trans acceptance is only going to increase, and eventually it'll be mundane, and people will look back and wonder why people were so backward.", ">\n\nThis is because the black community is more religious feels that the black family unit has taken serious damage from the War in Drugs, Mass incarceration, Systemic racism etc.\nThis is coming from an entirely different place than what we are seeing in the GOP, and is not necessarily indicative of the same anti-LGBTQ+ bullshit that is taking place on that side of the isle.\nHowever, the black community will continue to support democrats for the time being, because the overwhelming consensus is that the brand of conservatism that is currently ruling the GOP is the main threat that has hurt them in the first place for decades.", ">\n\nIt's also indiscriminate, no matter what sides Black Americans fall on there's something that party has done to make their lives worse.", ">\n\nThere is a fault line within the Democratic party. Black democrats are ready to split not just on transgender issues but also inclusivity of other minorities.\nSome of the chief plaintiffs in the affirmative action case before the SC are Asian Americans, not because they opposed Black students getting extra points compared to White students but because Asian students had admission points deducted from them for being Asian. There are deep fissures between Jewish Americans and African Americans as well. \nA decent candidate running on black liberation theology could easily spoil a democratic presidency in 2024.", ">\n\nHoly shit this is pure uncut hopium. \nDifference in opinion and attitudes isn’t a sign of impending conflict. Hell, even if it were, it really speaks to how much those voting blocks hate Republicans. \nI know, I know, I know, Kanye could do it or whatever, it’s ok.", ">\n\nDo you really think the long standing issues between these minority groups is really due to a difference of opinion? A Farrakhan type or endorsed candidate could easily spoil a tight election in 2024. They would likely need less than 2 percent of the vote in certain swing states. Biden already has declining approval among Black Americans. The bifurcated American Politics of \"Left vs. Right\" doesn't reflect reality.", ">\n\nIt reflects election results though. \nEvery voting block could break itself into atomized parties. You simultaneously believe these voting blocks don’t know their party doesn’t represent their objectives to the degree they would like. While also, believing these voters would form a new party when they realize that? \nYou’re just wish-casting a scenario where Kanye is politically viable. You can present it in the most mealy mouthed way possible, it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting at.", ">\n\nI'm not and zero. Index funds only for this guy.", ">\n\nAh so you don't even yield to the pretense of being okay with gay people", ">\n\nWhat are you talking about? I'm a gay man.", ">\n\nI'm a white male democrat in the south. I think sex is assigned at birth but gender is a social construct. Someone can be genetically male but feel like a female and it doesn't hurt me to call them her if that's what she wants to be called. It takes zero effort to be kind. \nNow the whole sports issue is valid imo but Republicans use it on bad faith arguments. The issue is complicated but just call people what they want to be called. It's not hard.", ">\n\nThere’s a difference between call people what they want and hate speech laws though. And that’s not even close to where the political issue stops.", ">\n\nWhat are you even on about. I'm talking about day to day interactions with trans people. I don't think I said anything wrong?", ">\n\nI don’t think you said anything wrong either. And i largely agree on the day to day interaction side. What I’m saying is that isn’t where any of this stops.", ">\n\nWell im 30 and just came out as gay to my first person. I just recently accepted it myself. So I'm still trying to learn and grow as a person. It's hard being from the deep south and not knowing any of this.", ">\n\nDont use this to divide. Most of you regardless of your background have deeply transphobic views. No community but our own is safe for us.", ">\n\nIs that a helpful comment, to accuse \"most\" of wholesale transphobia?", ">\n\nHow could you possibly come to the conclusion that the purpose of this poll is \"to try to invalidate trans identities\"?", ">\n\nIt's almost like they have larger issues to deal with...", ">\n\nyep, gop could 100% steal most of the black vote if they weren't racists", ">\n\nChristianity is a regressive force.", ">\n\ntruth", ">\n\nGood thing there’s no poor white people. Otherwise they could use this excuse too", ">\n\nI'll bet poor white people don't give af about pronouns either..", ">\n\nThat’s the point - it’s not an excuse…\nJust like being poor isn’t an excuse for being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc", ">\n\nWe see this play out regularly in Democratic primaries every four years. The Republican's social conservatism is extreme. Sometimes they make a half-hearted effort to appeal to black religious conservatives. They get very poor results. However, if Democrats nominate a white social liberal, black turnout could suffer. I hope we are spared an ugly future fight between Kamala Harris and someone like Buttigieg. The nominating process is too often a popularity contest. Democrats need to nominate someone who can win a general election. If you happen to like the strongest general election candidate, great. If we nominate the weaker candidate because they are more \"likeable,\" they will often lose a general election to the Republican.\nEdit: If you don't understand nuance, I need to state--This is only an opinion. It does not mean I like it.", ">\n\nI too hope Kamala and Pete are not our only options.", ">\n\nThe names were only used as an example. I fear that the primary voters will find a way to fuck it up, regardless of the candidates.", ">\n\nLet’s remember that Biden has been pretty clear in his support of trans people and was chosen by conservative black voters in SC. People are capable of choosing people they mostly agree with or think will be a good leader even if they don’t agree on all issues. I disagree with Biden on tons of stuff and did not vote for him in the primary, but he has been a very effective president. What this poll shows is that a lot of education is needed in all the communities surveyed and that will take time.", ">\n\nWhat a shock black people can be bigots too no matter how much they try and claim they can't be because of oppression.", ">\n\nYou cannot demand equality when it comes to race and and ethnicity and at the same time discriminate when it comes to sexual preference and identity. At least not if you're an honest, respectable person with integrity.", ">\n\nyou use 'can' in a descriptive way, I use it in a normative way", ">\n\nI see A LOT of white people talking about black folks in here.\nAnd there are A LOT of ASSUMPTIONS and GENERALIZATIONS too.\nSmh", ">\n\nHow exactly do you see a lot of skin color in an online forum with anonymous usernames and no avatars or personal photos?", ">\n\nMaybe I should correct myself and say a lot of NON BLACK people.\nI think it's pretty clear based on how people are speaking here.... \nBlack people are not some monolith group that can be categorized as such. We're ALL individuals with our own beliefs, values, and experiences.\nYet, I'm reading comments here saying \" Well no surprise, black people are pretty religious\".\" Black people are very socially conservative.\" \" Black people would vote Republican if it weren't obvious that they hated them\" ETC.\nExcuse me but wtf? To me at least as an obvious black person who isn't afraid to share their racial identity in this space, I know EXACTLY how non black people talk about us. Black people never generalize the group or other blacks like what's being said here.\nThe reality is most Black people are just as varied and diverse as anyone else in reality. And these generalizations aren't the answer at all.\nThe real answer to this question is that gender isn't a social construct, it's a reality. Blacks, having experienced 400 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow, having literally everything else as far as identity taken away from them KNOW this is fact. \nA man is a man and a woman is a woman no matter how you slice it. And there are natural differences within them both physiological and psychological and that is just the very genetic essence of the species.... (Yeah hermaphrodites exist but they are anomalies of nature that often die off fast and are infertile).\nWith that said, everyone can choose to do whatever and live life the way they want socially. But that doesn't change reality itself. And I think that's where A LOT of others get things mixed up.\nNow why is any of this relevant to me? Because I'm an agnostic and socially liberal black person, yet I still hold this belief despite it being considered \"conservative\" by folks here. And I'm FAR from the only black person who has commented here that breaks the highly upvoted generalization commented in this sub.\nAnd no, I have no interest in making legislation to hurt anyone. And to even see any comments even suggesting this idea, totally disregarding the history of American blacks as a suppressed and disenfranchised group is disgusting and laughable. \nThe vast majority of black folks, regardless of how religious or not or how liberal or conservative have absolutely no interest in hurting other people through legislation.....Come on...\nThere is so much groupthink here that any time that something doesn't fall in line with how people are TOLD to view things, that it's immediately viewed as a negative or a problem instead of what it really is, just a difference....", ">\n\nUnderstood. I see what you mean in that case. It’s very similar to those who commented on the midterms about the Hispanic/Mexican/Cuban voting bloc and how there is a Republican shift happening. But instead of looking at the voting results they attempted to make correlations with cause.", ">\n\nYet, Black people vote for Dems at higher rates than any other race. I’d say surveyors and pollsters might need to update their methodology.", ">\n\nPeople can believe this and not vote to discriminate against LBGTQ people.", ">\n\nI never understood how people can get so wrapped up in semantics. \nWe previously used sex and gender interchangeably, which wasn't really correct. Now, the two words are finally being used in the correct way: One is biological XX/XY and the other is a social definition. \nIt's as simple as that. JFC. Neither me or any of my liberal friends have any difficulty over this or are offended in any manner by saying there is a biological chromosomal sex difference. IT IS annoying when (predominantly right wing) people interchange the two words out of ignorance and then berate us for it. Yes, there can be many genders. No, there is only two sexes. Get over it. Stop your BS, dog whistle, victim mentality, fake culture war.", ">\n\nIt says Sex on my drivers license but people still want to put whatever letter they want. It’s not at all as simple as that.", ">\n\nThis is framing it wrong.\nThe better question is: why do you care?", ">\n\nWhy do you care is one of the most annoying arguments used in politics today", ">\n\nExactly. (Ask melania trump.)", ">\n\nQuestion, what is the breakdown of demographics by age of these black democrats? Are young black people more or less likely to be democrats / independents / or republicans? That was my immediate question, but i am also curious if black democrats support or oppose complete bans on transgender people. My assumption are that black democrats are a) older than other democrats (and thus more likely to be influenced by religion and prior social norms) b) more socially conservative c) disenfranchised (to the point that democratic messaging about transgender people directed towards them is non-existent).", ">\n\nNot really that surprising.\nBlack culture is still fairly unaccepting of LGBT as a whole (*In America), it's an ongoing cultural issue that's slowly changing but will take time. \nIn reality if Republicans put some actual effort into not fucking over black communities for a generation they'd probably be more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.", ">\n\nFirst world problems lol", ">\n\nI think we need to have the conversation that is 100% not anyone's business except the individual as to how they describe themselves. Of course, we need to have the conversation with the individual that gender at birth matters for health reasons of course but otherwise gender is a social construct except for reasons of biology.\nThe fact we even have to be concerned with \"rights\" for those who consider themselves transgender shows that there are a lot of people out there who feel they have rights to how others besides themselves label themselves. This is a sad state of affairs and little more than people trying to control the experiences of others outside themselves.", ">\n\nSeems like a pretty broad statement to make based on only a small sunset surveyed.", ">\n\nBlack peoples position on abortions for trans people in Taiwan (not China) ...... Ya I'm not touching that topic with a 10.5ft pole", ">\n\nInteresting result and in some cases they will go main stream", ">\n\nPeople have a right to vote in what they think is correct and agreeable to their values.", ">\n\nTbh all this article has shown me is fuck Republicans.", ">\n\nThis will probably not get noticed, but there is something wrong with that first chart. No way White is 72% while Rep is only 13%. And you can’t get majority of total saying it’s birth gender when the breakdown of race shows all but black show indicating gender can change.", ">\n\nThis is not new information, anyone who’s spent time around black democrats or black people and general will realize this", ">\n\nAh, makes sense why conservatives are going so hard on this issue lately. It plays well with their base and they are desperate to break up the black voting bloc to have a better chance in future elections.", ">\n\nThis is why it’s unsurprising that the democrats are losing black voters to the GOP (although not a lot overall) at a faster and faster rate as the GOP reverts to LGBT issues as their primary wedge issue.\nBlack communities overall are conservative and religious. The only reason they vote Democrat largely is because of the fact that the GOP is full of out and proud racists. That’s it. If the GOP dropped racism from their platform, a large section of the black community would vote GOP within 10 years", ">\n\nThis is well known to most except for the most liberal of white Dems. They think civil rights are a monolith and a unifying cause for all blue voters.\nIt’s not at all. Not all people of color are that one girl from your class in college. There are many many regressive views held in these communities and as a party, the Dems realize this.\nHence no progressive nominee for president.", ">\n\nOh wow, what a revelation. Democrats disagree, when Democrats have always disagreed. The Republicans are the Party of the wealthy and well connected mono thought. The Democrats are everyone else, so of course they disagree. As Will Rogers once remarked, \"I'm not a member of any organized political Party, I'm a Democrat!", ">\n\nBut they want the same progressive gains that gay people largely worked for on their own, and at the same time they badmouth gay and lesbian people they sure are happy to take our money whenever it comes to county programs and services funded by taxpayers, and we gay people do pay taxes. \nI’ve had to get on board by supporting everyone. I’ve heard many, many times from non-gay black people that I as a Native American gay woman am ‘dead weight’ because I can’t do anything for them politically. \nI’m sick of being treated like this and at the same time being forced to respect people who often don’t feel that’s a two way street. You want to reap the benefits of our work then suit up, show up & treat us with the same dignity and respect you’d expect to receive." ]

[ "They also tend to be more religious, as well. Are we shocked or surprised by this? Is this unknown information?", ">\n\nI'm not. This is well documentated, they tend to be more religous and socially conservative than other democrats. They also oppose abortion at a higher rate.", ">\n\n\nsocially conservative than other democrats.\n\nAnd I suspect its because Black people overwhelmingly break for Democrats. Where a white conservative person would typically vote for a Republican, the Black Conservative person may STILL vote Democrat due to the rampant racism apparent in the Republican party. \nIn other words, Black people aren't more conservative as a whole, they are just more Conservative when only looking at Democrats. (I would love to see actual data to back up this suspicion of mine)", ">\n\nIt's unlikely to be identical, since racial inequality leads to different racial balances among groups like academia and rural labor that tend to heavily influence political leanings. \nEither way, the reality is that the Republicans could pick up more votes by shifting to oppose racism but favor religious discrimination more highly.", ">\n\nBut then they’d lose the votes of the poor whites who don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy but do care about racism. So would it really be a net gain in votes?", ">\n\nThe trick is, most of those people also favor religious discrimination.", ">\n\nBut how many of them care about religious discrimination more than racial discrimination? It can’t be all of them.", ">\n\n.... a lot of them. It's not ok to say racist shit in polite company but it's absolutely OK to most people in most situations to say if people don't accept Jesus they'll rot in Hell.", ">\n\nNot really surprising if a person has spent any time hanging out with Black Democrats, or just a lot of Black people in general. Worth pointing out though that imho you’d have seen these same results probably if you asked about marriage equality 15 years ago.", ">\n\nI remember reading exactly this about marriage equality 15 years ago. If I recall correctly, most demographic groups had kind of the same breakdown as far as for/against, except Jewish people skewed heavily in favor of marriage equality and black people skewed against marriage equality. I was kind of surprised at the black part back then, but it made me not surprised at this headline today.", ">\n\nTrust me, not all other non-black democrats have the same views on this stuff either.", ">\n\nBut does that translate into them wanting to legislate it", ">\n\n\\^This. Personal beliefs don't always translate into policy preferences. White evangelicals are the group that seems most likely to just treat it as a given that their individual religious beliefs NEED to be codified into law.", ">\n\nYep.\nTheres a difference between being uncomfortable with something, thinking its strange, thinking its not in line with your beliefs etc and actively wanting the law to get involved.", ">\n\nAs a black person, particularly an atheist city-dweller, this is where I experience the greatest schism with my own community. In my mind, there are precisely zero differences between our own struggles for civil rights and those of the LBGTQ community. We should be holding hands in our fights against marginalization, not flirting with religiosity and conservative politics.\nI think it's a shame that black people cling to the white man's religion in the first place, but to follow it to the extent that you can't identify with those suffering right alongside you... Especially when the Black gay community is so fucking inventive and imitated (house music, fashion trends, slang, etc...), you'd think there'd be more acceptance.", ">\n\nI’d like your opinion on something I can’t quite fully wrap my head around. \nI’m also athiest, and pretty far on the progressive side of things generally. I fully support equality for the LBGTQ community. \nI’ve tried asking this question before and just get immediately slammed as a right wing shill. But I have a decade of comments people can check to be sure that’s not the case. \nI truly want to be an ally for trans people. I ask this question so that I can confidently support the community. \nIn your mind, is it different for someone born with XY chromosomes and male body parts to identify as a woman than a white girl like Rachel Dolezal to identify as black?\nI have a very hard time differentiating between those two scenarios and thought maybe you could help me out.", ">\n\nSee? This is the only answer I ever get. \nI’m being 100% authentic. If someone can’t lay out an answer for someone literally begging to be on the correct side of things, how do you expect to have this conversation with someone who is resistant to the idea? \nThere is no trap. Just try to answer the question clearly. \nTo me it’s a hard one and I’d like an answer that makes sense.", ">\n\nr/onejoke moment lol", ">\n\nHow do I talk to my bigoted uncles when they say this? I sincerely can’t get any help on the topic because all I get are empty YOU’RE JUST WRONG replies. \nI suspect it’s because you don’t have an answer to the question and are just as confused about it as I am but you don’t want to admit it. \nPlease prove me wrong.", ">\n\nDude, it’s in like every basic college text on the science of gender now - not only the answer you were given about brain structure, there are tons of other rare chromosomal configurations that give rise to mixtures of sex characteristics that combine typical male or female characteristics in various ways - not to mention intersex people exist who are born with genitals that aren’t clearly a penis or a vulva. On top of all of this you have tons of sociological research and studies, and queer theory, about the socialization of gender norms, the way they vary wildly across cultures, and shift over time in the same cultures - leading one to realize that gender expression is, for the most part, performative - through fashion choices and communication styles, and not related to one’s sex characteristics so much as their socialization. As such people have every right to express their gender however they feel like. Just do your own homework and read a chapter from a gender studies textbook. It’ll take you an hour at most.\nThat is, if you actually care that much about the topic as you seem to.", ">\n\nNot really shocking. The black community has historically been less accepting of the LGBTQ community. I think this has a lot to do with the role religion plays in much of the community", ">\n\nReligion is just a factor, if anything it’s just a portion of the trauma black Americans still suffer from due to slavery which contributes to current homophobia. I say this because even in non-religious black households (post black boomers) there’s still a high level of anti-LGBT rhetoric. (Side note: these non-religious black households I speak of also make more than 75k per year where I’m at so it could also be a socioeconomic “keeping up with the jones” thing as well)", ">\n\nWhat's the impetus for that anti-LGBTQ sentiment absent religion?", ">\n\nA lot of black people would vote Republican if Republicans weren’t intentionally and obviously anti-black.", ">\n\nRepublicans aren’t anti black, they just don’t kiss their ass like the Dems do", ">\n\nCome to the south lol. They hate us", ">\n\nFor real. I am a white guy living in the south. The absolutely vile shit that I’ve heard over the years because they think I’m “safe” is insane.", ">\n\nMy dad had a conversation with the sheriff of a local county who wouldn't stop saying the N word. It was clear he felt he was \"safe\". People still hold these beliefs they just keep quiet until they get alone with someone they think thinks the same things they do.", ">\n\nWhenever people assume black people are very progressive I just think they don’t actually know that many black people.", ">\n\nI get why politicians lean in to the trans issue in a negative way, because it’s a hot-button topic that whips up a base. What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit whether or not someone else identifies as a different gender. What’s the problem here? It took all of 10 minutes of googling to understand that I’m a white cis male, and that other people may or may not identify as such. Boom. Done. I learned something new and now other people hopefully feel more comfortable around me. Why is denying trans rights a hill that so many people are willing to die on?!", ">\n\nThe reason it’s an issue is because it affects public policy about access to things based upon gender. It also significantly affects how this stuff is talked about with kids and supersedes parenting in many cases. It affects parents who would rather their kids think that gender is not selectable when you have a public school curriculum that is fine with telling them it is, people who don’t like transgender people get upset because it’s affecting the control they have over their families, upbringing and values.", ">\n\nIt likely is having very little effect on their families and I imagine few of them are actually exposed to it with any kind of regularity. Rather, they hear that it's some sort of big deal from Fox News and others and so they believe it.\nTransgender people in women's sports? There are only a handful of instances of this being an issue across the entire country.\nPublic school curriculum? In most places will have absolutely zero lessons regarding this topic.", ">\n\nYou’re describing things that are currently changing. There is far more than a handful of women in men’s sports in high schools. I don’t really care about that issue. A huge portion of trans rights is having trans representation in sex education. As there should be, if society is to be respectful to this. So what you’re currently describing is the state of affairs that the success of trans rights and gender fluidity recognition intends to change. The conservative reaction is to that.", ">\n\n\nThe conservative reaction is to that.\n\nThe conservative reaction is to trans people existing. American conservatives have been fighting a culture war since 1960, continuously, and they just mad lib in words from today. The actual target doesn't really matter. What matters is that there is a target.", ">\n\nI’m referring to all the news stories that have come up in the past two years about trans people.", ">\n\nYes you're right, there are a great many of overblown fear-mongering articles about trans folks coming out lately. As the poster above you said: there needs to be a target for hate, doesn't matter who.", ">\n\nYes, welcome to the past 30 years of LGBT electoral politics.", ">\n\nThere’s a ton of homophobic and transphobia in the black community and it’s weird it’s not brought up more often", ">\n\nYes. Black trans women are the most targeted minority there is. \nYou’d think always being a target of bigotry and hate, that you wouldn’t pass that on.", ">\n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n-Lyndon B. Johnson\nReplace white with black and 'colored' with Trans and you got a new working recipe. Nobody is immune to prejudice, its just with black people the irony is extremely noticable. Theres no reason black people wouldn't be susceptable to the same ploy as white people.", ">\n\nTrue.", ">\n\nSomething like 90 percent of black people vote Democrat compared to something like 40 percent of white people.\nIf you compare 90 percent of any population to the most liberal 40 percent of any other population it'd be mind blowing if the larger group wasn't more conservative. \nThis is a bit like being dismayed to discover that 50 percent of school children have below average intelligence.", ">\n\nThis is like no shit Sherlock moment. It’s known that homophobia and transphobia is large in the black community so this would be reflected in the democratically elected people of that community. Like a problem sure but not a surprising one.", ">\n\nWork in healthcare. Almost all anti-vax staff (that I know of) were black. Especially the religious, older generation. \nI know there is a long historical reason for their believes but its still a noticable pattern.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. I live in a deep blue neighborhood with a lot of black and Hispanic individuals, and they generally don't get along with (or are neutral towards) the LGBTQ+ community. There's also a lot of \"anti race mixing\" type drama against interracial couples (like a black and white couple having a light-skinned black kid).\nThe younger 20-something ones are very far left, though. One young black man was going door to door supporting a petition for UBI and a $20/hour minimum wage in California that most people in the apartment complex I live in (including myself) signed, I had a really cool discussion with him (he put me on the idea of constitutionally guaranteed housing). It's mostly the older ones that are still center-right.", ">\n\nA lot of Black people are actually pretty socially conservative, my family included. Kind of ironic that Republicans could have a real untapped voting block if they weren't so vehemently dedicated to racist pandering.", ">\n\nYou mean the big tent party is not a monolith? 😱", ">\n\nWasn't there something unusual that happened in California regarding a proposition on gay marriage at the same time Obama was on the ballot that ties into this idea?", ">\n\nAnd shockingly, their personal opinions DONT carry so much hate with them, that they’re willing to vote against their own best interests to ensure we all know who they hate.\nGive me more groups of people who are uninterested in the coming and going’s of another group and are just willing to vote for the greater good, I’ll take that. \nPlenty of white democrat voters dont grasp the extent at which black people are still unfairly treated in the US. They still vote for the people who do, because ultimately… the greater good.\nHere is an alternate headline: Black Democrats overwhelmingly prove they’re willing to protect the rights of others, even when they admittedly don’t understand them.", ">\n\nThis. This right here exactly. Voting from spite seems to be unique to white conservatives.", ">\n\nUh yeah, democrats are a coalition, not really an ideology", ">\n\nI'll get down voted for this but who cares, this is not an important issue. We need to focus on class solidarity rather than culture war topics that effect .5% of the population. Yes it's transphobic , but these talking points are a smoke screen used to divide us proletariate against each other. Our wealth has been and continues to be stolen from us by the one percent. We are under constant class warfare and we fight amongst ourselves. First we need to raise the floor, and create a more egalitarian society: one in which there is equality of opportunity, one in which we have our basic needs met for, and one in which we earn our proper share of the wealth we create. Once we achieve these goals literacy, empathy, and cultural tolerance will floresh; but we need to focus on the fight that is in front of us that effects the majority, the proletariate, first.", ">\n\nI agree with the need for class solidarity. We need to desperately address wealth inequality and fight the rich. However, Republicans are committing genocide against transgender people. You might see that word in my previous sentence, “genocide”, and say to yourself, “she’s just being dramatic, the Republicans are just passing reasonable, common-sense medical restrictions on a fringe group of weirdos”. \nFrom the United Nations:\nIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:\n1.) Killing members of the group;\n2.) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;\n3.) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;\n4.) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;\n5.) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group\n——-\n1.) Transgender people are frequently murdered. \n2.) Transgender people are frequently “legislative refugees”, and are leaving deep red states as quick as they can (if they can afford to), while the laws dictating how old you can be to transition looks like they’re gonna aim to raise it from 21 to 26 this year. One such law is called the “Millstone Act”. That’s only gonna increase. \n3.) Red states don’t cover trans health care, leaving trans people poorer than cis people. \n4.) HRT frequently sterilizes trans people, but for those that remain fertile, some countries have enforced sterilization. \n5.) Step right up and watch Texas investigate the parents of trans kids for child abuse using CPS..\nYou don’t need to even meet all the qualifications of genocide for it to BE genocide. So any time I see a Democrat say “we need to say, ‘fuck trans people, we need to focus on more important things’, I say:\nHow will history judge you for standing aside and letting this happen? Will they understand in fifty years why you had to let one of our most vulnerable minority groups be fed to the wolves to pass a legislative agenda? In a hundred?", ">\n\nNo I understand all that let me be clear, I am addressing the title of the article. I don't think addressing the transphobia of poor black people should come before addressing the material inequality that black people are subjected to. If we address these issues first then what will follow is a more educated and empathetic people. Right now people are experiencing food and housing insecurity or at the very the threat of this. Wages are stagnant, and the police state is growing in it's power and reach while being routinely championed by media. A lot of Americans do not have the time, education, or luxury to worry about a virtually invisible minority. I agree that conservatives are monsters but articles like this just exist to divide us. \nI am not saying we should not be using the law to protect people, I agree with this. I just don't think we need neo liberal articles trying to point fingers at an already marginalized group of people and saying they are part of the problem.", ">\n\nI agree that we need to address material inequality over the feelings of a demographic.\nI just also believe that the “virtually invisible minority” needs to be saved from the opposition’s efforts to kill them all. Of course, as a trans person myself, I vote Democrat. If the Republican Party platform was pro-trans (somehow) and they still held all their current positions otherwise, I would still vote Democrat, because opposition to the science of climate change, systemic inequality, racism, xenophobia, and rampant narcissism are still not qualities I look for in a leader.\nTL;DR version: article is garbage trying to fan the flames of contention, hurting trans people is GOP priority #1 and I wish Democrats would stand with us the way we stand with them.", ">\n\nMaybe the real goal should be to try not to fit all Black Democrats or all Black people into boxes. The word monolith gets tossed around a lot as a bad thing, and it is, but it still seems to be the thing pollsters try to create and pretend that they have identified.", ">\n\nSure, but that isn’t an exclusively black democrat or black people problem. Society puts people into boxes all the time I.e. conservatives are xyz, democrats are xyz, white America has an xyz problem, etc.", ">\n\nThis seems like it should be the #1 priority in messaging. Draw parallels between minority issues and gay rights. Introduce your gay selves to black people so they can see you're not that different.\nFixing this now would be ideal.", ">\n\nAs a very liberal black person, let me just say: duh", ">\n\nIsn’t the black community known for being pretty homophobic in general? I thought that was common knowledge?", ">\n\nBig difference between personal morality and wanting to impose your religious values on everyone else through government. Black Christians fundamentally understand tolerance doesn't necessarily mean approval. That's a level of maturity the far right and far left haven't achieved.", ">\n\nThose last two sentences need to be said waaaay more", ">\n\nBlack Americans sre Christians, the great enigma.", ">\n\nMany younger ones are not as religious as their parents.", ">\n\nHomophobia in the black community? Stoppp", ">\n\nIf Republican’s were not openly racist at least 1/2 of African Americans would vote for them. But Republicans would lose 2/3’s of whites who would start voting by class, so Republican’s cultivate and maintain racist values in the party.", ">\n\nOf course they do. Uneducated black people and uneducated white people are the same. Skin color plays no role. Bigoted regressive views are to be expected.", ">\n\nIt's not surprising. The monolithic portion of the black community in the US is rife with toxic masculinity.\nThat's sad is that all those Trans people really just want to exist. Imagine the pettiness required to say to someone \"You can't do this thing that will help make you whole because I don't feel like having to think about it.\".\nBut that war's already lost. Trans acceptance is only going to increase, and eventually it'll be mundane, and people will look back and wonder why people were so backward.", ">\n\nThis is because the black community is more religious feels that the black family unit has taken serious damage from the War in Drugs, Mass incarceration, Systemic racism etc.\nThis is coming from an entirely different place than what we are seeing in the GOP, and is not necessarily indicative of the same anti-LGBTQ+ bullshit that is taking place on that side of the isle.\nHowever, the black community will continue to support democrats for the time being, because the overwhelming consensus is that the brand of conservatism that is currently ruling the GOP is the main threat that has hurt them in the first place for decades.", ">\n\nIt's also indiscriminate, no matter what sides Black Americans fall on there's something that party has done to make their lives worse.", ">\n\nThere is a fault line within the Democratic party. Black democrats are ready to split not just on transgender issues but also inclusivity of other minorities.\nSome of the chief plaintiffs in the affirmative action case before the SC are Asian Americans, not because they opposed Black students getting extra points compared to White students but because Asian students had admission points deducted from them for being Asian. There are deep fissures between Jewish Americans and African Americans as well. \nA decent candidate running on black liberation theology could easily spoil a democratic presidency in 2024.", ">\n\nHoly shit this is pure uncut hopium. \nDifference in opinion and attitudes isn’t a sign of impending conflict. Hell, even if it were, it really speaks to how much those voting blocks hate Republicans. \nI know, I know, I know, Kanye could do it or whatever, it’s ok.", ">\n\nDo you really think the long standing issues between these minority groups is really due to a difference of opinion? A Farrakhan type or endorsed candidate could easily spoil a tight election in 2024. They would likely need less than 2 percent of the vote in certain swing states. Biden already has declining approval among Black Americans. The bifurcated American Politics of \"Left vs. Right\" doesn't reflect reality.", ">\n\nIt reflects election results though. \nEvery voting block could break itself into atomized parties. You simultaneously believe these voting blocks don’t know their party doesn’t represent their objectives to the degree they would like. While also, believing these voters would form a new party when they realize that? \nYou’re just wish-casting a scenario where Kanye is politically viable. You can present it in the most mealy mouthed way possible, it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting at.", ">\n\nI'm not and zero. Index funds only for this guy.", ">\n\nAh so you don't even yield to the pretense of being okay with gay people", ">\n\nWhat are you talking about? I'm a gay man.", ">\n\nI'm a white male democrat in the south. I think sex is assigned at birth but gender is a social construct. Someone can be genetically male but feel like a female and it doesn't hurt me to call them her if that's what she wants to be called. It takes zero effort to be kind. \nNow the whole sports issue is valid imo but Republicans use it on bad faith arguments. The issue is complicated but just call people what they want to be called. It's not hard.", ">\n\nThere’s a difference between call people what they want and hate speech laws though. And that’s not even close to where the political issue stops.", ">\n\nWhat are you even on about. I'm talking about day to day interactions with trans people. I don't think I said anything wrong?", ">\n\nI don’t think you said anything wrong either. And i largely agree on the day to day interaction side. What I’m saying is that isn’t where any of this stops.", ">\n\nWell im 30 and just came out as gay to my first person. I just recently accepted it myself. So I'm still trying to learn and grow as a person. It's hard being from the deep south and not knowing any of this.", ">\n\nDont use this to divide. Most of you regardless of your background have deeply transphobic views. No community but our own is safe for us.", ">\n\nIs that a helpful comment, to accuse \"most\" of wholesale transphobia?", ">\n\nHow could you possibly come to the conclusion that the purpose of this poll is \"to try to invalidate trans identities\"?", ">\n\nIt's almost like they have larger issues to deal with...", ">\n\nyep, gop could 100% steal most of the black vote if they weren't racists", ">\n\nChristianity is a regressive force.", ">\n\ntruth", ">\n\nGood thing there’s no poor white people. Otherwise they could use this excuse too", ">\n\nI'll bet poor white people don't give af about pronouns either..", ">\n\nThat’s the point - it’s not an excuse…\nJust like being poor isn’t an excuse for being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc", ">\n\nWe see this play out regularly in Democratic primaries every four years. The Republican's social conservatism is extreme. Sometimes they make a half-hearted effort to appeal to black religious conservatives. They get very poor results. However, if Democrats nominate a white social liberal, black turnout could suffer. I hope we are spared an ugly future fight between Kamala Harris and someone like Buttigieg. The nominating process is too often a popularity contest. Democrats need to nominate someone who can win a general election. If you happen to like the strongest general election candidate, great. If we nominate the weaker candidate because they are more \"likeable,\" they will often lose a general election to the Republican.\nEdit: If you don't understand nuance, I need to state--This is only an opinion. It does not mean I like it.", ">\n\nI too hope Kamala and Pete are not our only options.", ">\n\nThe names were only used as an example. I fear that the primary voters will find a way to fuck it up, regardless of the candidates.", ">\n\nLet’s remember that Biden has been pretty clear in his support of trans people and was chosen by conservative black voters in SC. People are capable of choosing people they mostly agree with or think will be a good leader even if they don’t agree on all issues. I disagree with Biden on tons of stuff and did not vote for him in the primary, but he has been a very effective president. What this poll shows is that a lot of education is needed in all the communities surveyed and that will take time.", ">\n\nWhat a shock black people can be bigots too no matter how much they try and claim they can't be because of oppression.", ">\n\nYou cannot demand equality when it comes to race and and ethnicity and at the same time discriminate when it comes to sexual preference and identity. At least not if you're an honest, respectable person with integrity.", ">\n\nyou use 'can' in a descriptive way, I use it in a normative way", ">\n\nI see A LOT of white people talking about black folks in here.\nAnd there are A LOT of ASSUMPTIONS and GENERALIZATIONS too.\nSmh", ">\n\nHow exactly do you see a lot of skin color in an online forum with anonymous usernames and no avatars or personal photos?", ">\n\nMaybe I should correct myself and say a lot of NON BLACK people.\nI think it's pretty clear based on how people are speaking here.... \nBlack people are not some monolith group that can be categorized as such. We're ALL individuals with our own beliefs, values, and experiences.\nYet, I'm reading comments here saying \" Well no surprise, black people are pretty religious\".\" Black people are very socially conservative.\" \" Black people would vote Republican if it weren't obvious that they hated them\" ETC.\nExcuse me but wtf? To me at least as an obvious black person who isn't afraid to share their racial identity in this space, I know EXACTLY how non black people talk about us. Black people never generalize the group or other blacks like what's being said here.\nThe reality is most Black people are just as varied and diverse as anyone else in reality. And these generalizations aren't the answer at all.\nThe real answer to this question is that gender isn't a social construct, it's a reality. Blacks, having experienced 400 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow, having literally everything else as far as identity taken away from them KNOW this is fact. \nA man is a man and a woman is a woman no matter how you slice it. And there are natural differences within them both physiological and psychological and that is just the very genetic essence of the species.... (Yeah hermaphrodites exist but they are anomalies of nature that often die off fast and are infertile).\nWith that said, everyone can choose to do whatever and live life the way they want socially. But that doesn't change reality itself. And I think that's where A LOT of others get things mixed up.\nNow why is any of this relevant to me? Because I'm an agnostic and socially liberal black person, yet I still hold this belief despite it being considered \"conservative\" by folks here. And I'm FAR from the only black person who has commented here that breaks the highly upvoted generalization commented in this sub.\nAnd no, I have no interest in making legislation to hurt anyone. And to even see any comments even suggesting this idea, totally disregarding the history of American blacks as a suppressed and disenfranchised group is disgusting and laughable. \nThe vast majority of black folks, regardless of how religious or not or how liberal or conservative have absolutely no interest in hurting other people through legislation.....Come on...\nThere is so much groupthink here that any time that something doesn't fall in line with how people are TOLD to view things, that it's immediately viewed as a negative or a problem instead of what it really is, just a difference....", ">\n\nUnderstood. I see what you mean in that case. It’s very similar to those who commented on the midterms about the Hispanic/Mexican/Cuban voting bloc and how there is a Republican shift happening. But instead of looking at the voting results they attempted to make correlations with cause.", ">\n\nYet, Black people vote for Dems at higher rates than any other race. I’d say surveyors and pollsters might need to update their methodology.", ">\n\nPeople can believe this and not vote to discriminate against LBGTQ people.", ">\n\nI never understood how people can get so wrapped up in semantics. \nWe previously used sex and gender interchangeably, which wasn't really correct. Now, the two words are finally being used in the correct way: One is biological XX/XY and the other is a social definition. \nIt's as simple as that. JFC. Neither me or any of my liberal friends have any difficulty over this or are offended in any manner by saying there is a biological chromosomal sex difference. IT IS annoying when (predominantly right wing) people interchange the two words out of ignorance and then berate us for it. Yes, there can be many genders. No, there is only two sexes. Get over it. Stop your BS, dog whistle, victim mentality, fake culture war.", ">\n\nIt says Sex on my drivers license but people still want to put whatever letter they want. It’s not at all as simple as that.", ">\n\nThis is framing it wrong.\nThe better question is: why do you care?", ">\n\nWhy do you care is one of the most annoying arguments used in politics today", ">\n\nExactly. (Ask melania trump.)", ">\n\nQuestion, what is the breakdown of demographics by age of these black democrats? Are young black people more or less likely to be democrats / independents / or republicans? That was my immediate question, but i am also curious if black democrats support or oppose complete bans on transgender people. My assumption are that black democrats are a) older than other democrats (and thus more likely to be influenced by religion and prior social norms) b) more socially conservative c) disenfranchised (to the point that democratic messaging about transgender people directed towards them is non-existent).", ">\n\nNot really that surprising.\nBlack culture is still fairly unaccepting of LGBT as a whole (*In America), it's an ongoing cultural issue that's slowly changing but will take time. \nIn reality if Republicans put some actual effort into not fucking over black communities for a generation they'd probably be more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.", ">\n\nFirst world problems lol", ">\n\nI think we need to have the conversation that is 100% not anyone's business except the individual as to how they describe themselves. Of course, we need to have the conversation with the individual that gender at birth matters for health reasons of course but otherwise gender is a social construct except for reasons of biology.\nThe fact we even have to be concerned with \"rights\" for those who consider themselves transgender shows that there are a lot of people out there who feel they have rights to how others besides themselves label themselves. This is a sad state of affairs and little more than people trying to control the experiences of others outside themselves.", ">\n\nSeems like a pretty broad statement to make based on only a small sunset surveyed.", ">\n\nBlack peoples position on abortions for trans people in Taiwan (not China) ...... Ya I'm not touching that topic with a 10.5ft pole", ">\n\nInteresting result and in some cases they will go main stream", ">\n\nPeople have a right to vote in what they think is correct and agreeable to their values.", ">\n\nTbh all this article has shown me is fuck Republicans.", ">\n\nThis will probably not get noticed, but there is something wrong with that first chart. No way White is 72% while Rep is only 13%. And you can’t get majority of total saying it’s birth gender when the breakdown of race shows all but black show indicating gender can change.", ">\n\nThis is not new information, anyone who’s spent time around black democrats or black people and general will realize this", ">\n\nAh, makes sense why conservatives are going so hard on this issue lately. It plays well with their base and they are desperate to break up the black voting bloc to have a better chance in future elections.", ">\n\nThis is why it’s unsurprising that the democrats are losing black voters to the GOP (although not a lot overall) at a faster and faster rate as the GOP reverts to LGBT issues as their primary wedge issue.\nBlack communities overall are conservative and religious. The only reason they vote Democrat largely is because of the fact that the GOP is full of out and proud racists. That’s it. If the GOP dropped racism from their platform, a large section of the black community would vote GOP within 10 years", ">\n\nThis is well known to most except for the most liberal of white Dems. They think civil rights are a monolith and a unifying cause for all blue voters.\nIt’s not at all. Not all people of color are that one girl from your class in college. There are many many regressive views held in these communities and as a party, the Dems realize this.\nHence no progressive nominee for president.", ">\n\nOh wow, what a revelation. Democrats disagree, when Democrats have always disagreed. The Republicans are the Party of the wealthy and well connected mono thought. The Democrats are everyone else, so of course they disagree. As Will Rogers once remarked, \"I'm not a member of any organized political Party, I'm a Democrat!", ">\n\nBut they want the same progressive gains that gay people largely worked for on their own, and at the same time they badmouth gay and lesbian people they sure are happy to take our money whenever it comes to county programs and services funded by taxpayers, and we gay people do pay taxes. \nI’ve had to get on board by supporting everyone. I’ve heard many, many times from non-gay black people that I as a Native American gay woman am ‘dead weight’ because I can’t do anything for them politically. \nI’m sick of being treated like this and at the same time being forced to respect people who often don’t feel that’s a two way street. You want to reap the benefits of our work then suit up, show up & treat us with the same dignity and respect you’d expect to receive.", ">\n\nWhat’s really frustrating is that a lot of the most vocal support for gay/ trans rights has come from black members of that community because they KNOW THE SCORE. They see what it takes firsthand but so many of the rest of the black community is so deep in religion that there’s no way out for these social issues." ]

[ "They also tend to be more religious, as well. Are we shocked or surprised by this? Is this unknown information?", ">\n\nI'm not. This is well documentated, they tend to be more religous and socially conservative than other democrats. They also oppose abortion at a higher rate.", ">\n\n\nsocially conservative than other democrats.\n\nAnd I suspect its because Black people overwhelmingly break for Democrats. Where a white conservative person would typically vote for a Republican, the Black Conservative person may STILL vote Democrat due to the rampant racism apparent in the Republican party. \nIn other words, Black people aren't more conservative as a whole, they are just more Conservative when only looking at Democrats. (I would love to see actual data to back up this suspicion of mine)", ">\n\nIt's unlikely to be identical, since racial inequality leads to different racial balances among groups like academia and rural labor that tend to heavily influence political leanings. \nEither way, the reality is that the Republicans could pick up more votes by shifting to oppose racism but favor religious discrimination more highly.", ">\n\nBut then they’d lose the votes of the poor whites who don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy but do care about racism. So would it really be a net gain in votes?", ">\n\nThe trick is, most of those people also favor religious discrimination.", ">\n\nBut how many of them care about religious discrimination more than racial discrimination? It can’t be all of them.", ">\n\n.... a lot of them. It's not ok to say racist shit in polite company but it's absolutely OK to most people in most situations to say if people don't accept Jesus they'll rot in Hell.", ">\n\nNot really surprising if a person has spent any time hanging out with Black Democrats, or just a lot of Black people in general. Worth pointing out though that imho you’d have seen these same results probably if you asked about marriage equality 15 years ago.", ">\n\nI remember reading exactly this about marriage equality 15 years ago. If I recall correctly, most demographic groups had kind of the same breakdown as far as for/against, except Jewish people skewed heavily in favor of marriage equality and black people skewed against marriage equality. I was kind of surprised at the black part back then, but it made me not surprised at this headline today.", ">\n\nTrust me, not all other non-black democrats have the same views on this stuff either.", ">\n\nBut does that translate into them wanting to legislate it", ">\n\n\\^This. Personal beliefs don't always translate into policy preferences. White evangelicals are the group that seems most likely to just treat it as a given that their individual religious beliefs NEED to be codified into law.", ">\n\nYep.\nTheres a difference between being uncomfortable with something, thinking its strange, thinking its not in line with your beliefs etc and actively wanting the law to get involved.", ">\n\nAs a black person, particularly an atheist city-dweller, this is where I experience the greatest schism with my own community. In my mind, there are precisely zero differences between our own struggles for civil rights and those of the LBGTQ community. We should be holding hands in our fights against marginalization, not flirting with religiosity and conservative politics.\nI think it's a shame that black people cling to the white man's religion in the first place, but to follow it to the extent that you can't identify with those suffering right alongside you... Especially when the Black gay community is so fucking inventive and imitated (house music, fashion trends, slang, etc...), you'd think there'd be more acceptance.", ">\n\nI’d like your opinion on something I can’t quite fully wrap my head around. \nI’m also athiest, and pretty far on the progressive side of things generally. I fully support equality for the LBGTQ community. \nI’ve tried asking this question before and just get immediately slammed as a right wing shill. But I have a decade of comments people can check to be sure that’s not the case. \nI truly want to be an ally for trans people. I ask this question so that I can confidently support the community. \nIn your mind, is it different for someone born with XY chromosomes and male body parts to identify as a woman than a white girl like Rachel Dolezal to identify as black?\nI have a very hard time differentiating between those two scenarios and thought maybe you could help me out.", ">\n\nSee? This is the only answer I ever get. \nI’m being 100% authentic. If someone can’t lay out an answer for someone literally begging to be on the correct side of things, how do you expect to have this conversation with someone who is resistant to the idea? \nThere is no trap. Just try to answer the question clearly. \nTo me it’s a hard one and I’d like an answer that makes sense.", ">\n\nr/onejoke moment lol", ">\n\nHow do I talk to my bigoted uncles when they say this? I sincerely can’t get any help on the topic because all I get are empty YOU’RE JUST WRONG replies. \nI suspect it’s because you don’t have an answer to the question and are just as confused about it as I am but you don’t want to admit it. \nPlease prove me wrong.", ">\n\nDude, it’s in like every basic college text on the science of gender now - not only the answer you were given about brain structure, there are tons of other rare chromosomal configurations that give rise to mixtures of sex characteristics that combine typical male or female characteristics in various ways - not to mention intersex people exist who are born with genitals that aren’t clearly a penis or a vulva. On top of all of this you have tons of sociological research and studies, and queer theory, about the socialization of gender norms, the way they vary wildly across cultures, and shift over time in the same cultures - leading one to realize that gender expression is, for the most part, performative - through fashion choices and communication styles, and not related to one’s sex characteristics so much as their socialization. As such people have every right to express their gender however they feel like. Just do your own homework and read a chapter from a gender studies textbook. It’ll take you an hour at most.\nThat is, if you actually care that much about the topic as you seem to.", ">\n\nNot really shocking. The black community has historically been less accepting of the LGBTQ community. I think this has a lot to do with the role religion plays in much of the community", ">\n\nReligion is just a factor, if anything it’s just a portion of the trauma black Americans still suffer from due to slavery which contributes to current homophobia. I say this because even in non-religious black households (post black boomers) there’s still a high level of anti-LGBT rhetoric. (Side note: these non-religious black households I speak of also make more than 75k per year where I’m at so it could also be a socioeconomic “keeping up with the jones” thing as well)", ">\n\nWhat's the impetus for that anti-LGBTQ sentiment absent religion?", ">\n\nA lot of black people would vote Republican if Republicans weren’t intentionally and obviously anti-black.", ">\n\nRepublicans aren’t anti black, they just don’t kiss their ass like the Dems do", ">\n\nCome to the south lol. They hate us", ">\n\nFor real. I am a white guy living in the south. The absolutely vile shit that I’ve heard over the years because they think I’m “safe” is insane.", ">\n\nMy dad had a conversation with the sheriff of a local county who wouldn't stop saying the N word. It was clear he felt he was \"safe\". People still hold these beliefs they just keep quiet until they get alone with someone they think thinks the same things they do.", ">\n\nWhenever people assume black people are very progressive I just think they don’t actually know that many black people.", ">\n\nI get why politicians lean in to the trans issue in a negative way, because it’s a hot-button topic that whips up a base. What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit whether or not someone else identifies as a different gender. What’s the problem here? It took all of 10 minutes of googling to understand that I’m a white cis male, and that other people may or may not identify as such. Boom. Done. I learned something new and now other people hopefully feel more comfortable around me. Why is denying trans rights a hill that so many people are willing to die on?!", ">\n\nThe reason it’s an issue is because it affects public policy about access to things based upon gender. It also significantly affects how this stuff is talked about with kids and supersedes parenting in many cases. It affects parents who would rather their kids think that gender is not selectable when you have a public school curriculum that is fine with telling them it is, people who don’t like transgender people get upset because it’s affecting the control they have over their families, upbringing and values.", ">\n\nIt likely is having very little effect on their families and I imagine few of them are actually exposed to it with any kind of regularity. Rather, they hear that it's some sort of big deal from Fox News and others and so they believe it.\nTransgender people in women's sports? There are only a handful of instances of this being an issue across the entire country.\nPublic school curriculum? In most places will have absolutely zero lessons regarding this topic.", ">\n\nYou’re describing things that are currently changing. There is far more than a handful of women in men’s sports in high schools. I don’t really care about that issue. A huge portion of trans rights is having trans representation in sex education. As there should be, if society is to be respectful to this. So what you’re currently describing is the state of affairs that the success of trans rights and gender fluidity recognition intends to change. The conservative reaction is to that.", ">\n\n\nThe conservative reaction is to that.\n\nThe conservative reaction is to trans people existing. American conservatives have been fighting a culture war since 1960, continuously, and they just mad lib in words from today. The actual target doesn't really matter. What matters is that there is a target.", ">\n\nI’m referring to all the news stories that have come up in the past two years about trans people.", ">\n\nYes you're right, there are a great many of overblown fear-mongering articles about trans folks coming out lately. As the poster above you said: there needs to be a target for hate, doesn't matter who.", ">\n\nYes, welcome to the past 30 years of LGBT electoral politics.", ">\n\nThere’s a ton of homophobic and transphobia in the black community and it’s weird it’s not brought up more often", ">\n\nYes. Black trans women are the most targeted minority there is. \nYou’d think always being a target of bigotry and hate, that you wouldn’t pass that on.", ">\n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n-Lyndon B. Johnson\nReplace white with black and 'colored' with Trans and you got a new working recipe. Nobody is immune to prejudice, its just with black people the irony is extremely noticable. Theres no reason black people wouldn't be susceptable to the same ploy as white people.", ">\n\nTrue.", ">\n\nSomething like 90 percent of black people vote Democrat compared to something like 40 percent of white people.\nIf you compare 90 percent of any population to the most liberal 40 percent of any other population it'd be mind blowing if the larger group wasn't more conservative. \nThis is a bit like being dismayed to discover that 50 percent of school children have below average intelligence.", ">\n\nThis is like no shit Sherlock moment. It’s known that homophobia and transphobia is large in the black community so this would be reflected in the democratically elected people of that community. Like a problem sure but not a surprising one.", ">\n\nWork in healthcare. Almost all anti-vax staff (that I know of) were black. Especially the religious, older generation. \nI know there is a long historical reason for their believes but its still a noticable pattern.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. I live in a deep blue neighborhood with a lot of black and Hispanic individuals, and they generally don't get along with (or are neutral towards) the LGBTQ+ community. There's also a lot of \"anti race mixing\" type drama against interracial couples (like a black and white couple having a light-skinned black kid).\nThe younger 20-something ones are very far left, though. One young black man was going door to door supporting a petition for UBI and a $20/hour minimum wage in California that most people in the apartment complex I live in (including myself) signed, I had a really cool discussion with him (he put me on the idea of constitutionally guaranteed housing). It's mostly the older ones that are still center-right.", ">\n\nA lot of Black people are actually pretty socially conservative, my family included. Kind of ironic that Republicans could have a real untapped voting block if they weren't so vehemently dedicated to racist pandering.", ">\n\nYou mean the big tent party is not a monolith? 😱", ">\n\nWasn't there something unusual that happened in California regarding a proposition on gay marriage at the same time Obama was on the ballot that ties into this idea?", ">\n\nAnd shockingly, their personal opinions DONT carry so much hate with them, that they’re willing to vote against their own best interests to ensure we all know who they hate.\nGive me more groups of people who are uninterested in the coming and going’s of another group and are just willing to vote for the greater good, I’ll take that. \nPlenty of white democrat voters dont grasp the extent at which black people are still unfairly treated in the US. They still vote for the people who do, because ultimately… the greater good.\nHere is an alternate headline: Black Democrats overwhelmingly prove they’re willing to protect the rights of others, even when they admittedly don’t understand them.", ">\n\nThis. This right here exactly. Voting from spite seems to be unique to white conservatives.", ">\n\nUh yeah, democrats are a coalition, not really an ideology", ">\n\nI'll get down voted for this but who cares, this is not an important issue. We need to focus on class solidarity rather than culture war topics that effect .5% of the population. Yes it's transphobic , but these talking points are a smoke screen used to divide us proletariate against each other. Our wealth has been and continues to be stolen from us by the one percent. We are under constant class warfare and we fight amongst ourselves. First we need to raise the floor, and create a more egalitarian society: one in which there is equality of opportunity, one in which we have our basic needs met for, and one in which we earn our proper share of the wealth we create. Once we achieve these goals literacy, empathy, and cultural tolerance will floresh; but we need to focus on the fight that is in front of us that effects the majority, the proletariate, first.", ">\n\nI agree with the need for class solidarity. We need to desperately address wealth inequality and fight the rich. However, Republicans are committing genocide against transgender people. You might see that word in my previous sentence, “genocide”, and say to yourself, “she’s just being dramatic, the Republicans are just passing reasonable, common-sense medical restrictions on a fringe group of weirdos”. \nFrom the United Nations:\nIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:\n1.) Killing members of the group;\n2.) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;\n3.) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;\n4.) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;\n5.) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group\n——-\n1.) Transgender people are frequently murdered. \n2.) Transgender people are frequently “legislative refugees”, and are leaving deep red states as quick as they can (if they can afford to), while the laws dictating how old you can be to transition looks like they’re gonna aim to raise it from 21 to 26 this year. One such law is called the “Millstone Act”. That’s only gonna increase. \n3.) Red states don’t cover trans health care, leaving trans people poorer than cis people. \n4.) HRT frequently sterilizes trans people, but for those that remain fertile, some countries have enforced sterilization. \n5.) Step right up and watch Texas investigate the parents of trans kids for child abuse using CPS..\nYou don’t need to even meet all the qualifications of genocide for it to BE genocide. So any time I see a Democrat say “we need to say, ‘fuck trans people, we need to focus on more important things’, I say:\nHow will history judge you for standing aside and letting this happen? Will they understand in fifty years why you had to let one of our most vulnerable minority groups be fed to the wolves to pass a legislative agenda? In a hundred?", ">\n\nNo I understand all that let me be clear, I am addressing the title of the article. I don't think addressing the transphobia of poor black people should come before addressing the material inequality that black people are subjected to. If we address these issues first then what will follow is a more educated and empathetic people. Right now people are experiencing food and housing insecurity or at the very the threat of this. Wages are stagnant, and the police state is growing in it's power and reach while being routinely championed by media. A lot of Americans do not have the time, education, or luxury to worry about a virtually invisible minority. I agree that conservatives are monsters but articles like this just exist to divide us. \nI am not saying we should not be using the law to protect people, I agree with this. I just don't think we need neo liberal articles trying to point fingers at an already marginalized group of people and saying they are part of the problem.", ">\n\nI agree that we need to address material inequality over the feelings of a demographic.\nI just also believe that the “virtually invisible minority” needs to be saved from the opposition’s efforts to kill them all. Of course, as a trans person myself, I vote Democrat. If the Republican Party platform was pro-trans (somehow) and they still held all their current positions otherwise, I would still vote Democrat, because opposition to the science of climate change, systemic inequality, racism, xenophobia, and rampant narcissism are still not qualities I look for in a leader.\nTL;DR version: article is garbage trying to fan the flames of contention, hurting trans people is GOP priority #1 and I wish Democrats would stand with us the way we stand with them.", ">\n\nMaybe the real goal should be to try not to fit all Black Democrats or all Black people into boxes. The word monolith gets tossed around a lot as a bad thing, and it is, but it still seems to be the thing pollsters try to create and pretend that they have identified.", ">\n\nSure, but that isn’t an exclusively black democrat or black people problem. Society puts people into boxes all the time I.e. conservatives are xyz, democrats are xyz, white America has an xyz problem, etc.", ">\n\nThis seems like it should be the #1 priority in messaging. Draw parallels between minority issues and gay rights. Introduce your gay selves to black people so they can see you're not that different.\nFixing this now would be ideal.", ">\n\nAs a very liberal black person, let me just say: duh", ">\n\nIsn’t the black community known for being pretty homophobic in general? I thought that was common knowledge?", ">\n\nBig difference between personal morality and wanting to impose your religious values on everyone else through government. Black Christians fundamentally understand tolerance doesn't necessarily mean approval. That's a level of maturity the far right and far left haven't achieved.", ">\n\nThose last two sentences need to be said waaaay more", ">\n\nBlack Americans sre Christians, the great enigma.", ">\n\nMany younger ones are not as religious as their parents.", ">\n\nHomophobia in the black community? Stoppp", ">\n\nIf Republican’s were not openly racist at least 1/2 of African Americans would vote for them. But Republicans would lose 2/3’s of whites who would start voting by class, so Republican’s cultivate and maintain racist values in the party.", ">\n\nOf course they do. Uneducated black people and uneducated white people are the same. Skin color plays no role. Bigoted regressive views are to be expected.", ">\n\nIt's not surprising. The monolithic portion of the black community in the US is rife with toxic masculinity.\nThat's sad is that all those Trans people really just want to exist. Imagine the pettiness required to say to someone \"You can't do this thing that will help make you whole because I don't feel like having to think about it.\".\nBut that war's already lost. Trans acceptance is only going to increase, and eventually it'll be mundane, and people will look back and wonder why people were so backward.", ">\n\nThis is because the black community is more religious feels that the black family unit has taken serious damage from the War in Drugs, Mass incarceration, Systemic racism etc.\nThis is coming from an entirely different place than what we are seeing in the GOP, and is not necessarily indicative of the same anti-LGBTQ+ bullshit that is taking place on that side of the isle.\nHowever, the black community will continue to support democrats for the time being, because the overwhelming consensus is that the brand of conservatism that is currently ruling the GOP is the main threat that has hurt them in the first place for decades.", ">\n\nIt's also indiscriminate, no matter what sides Black Americans fall on there's something that party has done to make their lives worse.", ">\n\nThere is a fault line within the Democratic party. Black democrats are ready to split not just on transgender issues but also inclusivity of other minorities.\nSome of the chief plaintiffs in the affirmative action case before the SC are Asian Americans, not because they opposed Black students getting extra points compared to White students but because Asian students had admission points deducted from them for being Asian. There are deep fissures between Jewish Americans and African Americans as well. \nA decent candidate running on black liberation theology could easily spoil a democratic presidency in 2024.", ">\n\nHoly shit this is pure uncut hopium. \nDifference in opinion and attitudes isn’t a sign of impending conflict. Hell, even if it were, it really speaks to how much those voting blocks hate Republicans. \nI know, I know, I know, Kanye could do it or whatever, it’s ok.", ">\n\nDo you really think the long standing issues between these minority groups is really due to a difference of opinion? A Farrakhan type or endorsed candidate could easily spoil a tight election in 2024. They would likely need less than 2 percent of the vote in certain swing states. Biden already has declining approval among Black Americans. The bifurcated American Politics of \"Left vs. Right\" doesn't reflect reality.", ">\n\nIt reflects election results though. \nEvery voting block could break itself into atomized parties. You simultaneously believe these voting blocks don’t know their party doesn’t represent their objectives to the degree they would like. While also, believing these voters would form a new party when they realize that? \nYou’re just wish-casting a scenario where Kanye is politically viable. You can present it in the most mealy mouthed way possible, it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting at.", ">\n\nI'm not and zero. Index funds only for this guy.", ">\n\nAh so you don't even yield to the pretense of being okay with gay people", ">\n\nWhat are you talking about? I'm a gay man.", ">\n\nI'm a white male democrat in the south. I think sex is assigned at birth but gender is a social construct. Someone can be genetically male but feel like a female and it doesn't hurt me to call them her if that's what she wants to be called. It takes zero effort to be kind. \nNow the whole sports issue is valid imo but Republicans use it on bad faith arguments. The issue is complicated but just call people what they want to be called. It's not hard.", ">\n\nThere’s a difference between call people what they want and hate speech laws though. And that’s not even close to where the political issue stops.", ">\n\nWhat are you even on about. I'm talking about day to day interactions with trans people. I don't think I said anything wrong?", ">\n\nI don’t think you said anything wrong either. And i largely agree on the day to day interaction side. What I’m saying is that isn’t where any of this stops.", ">\n\nWell im 30 and just came out as gay to my first person. I just recently accepted it myself. So I'm still trying to learn and grow as a person. It's hard being from the deep south and not knowing any of this.", ">\n\nDont use this to divide. Most of you regardless of your background have deeply transphobic views. No community but our own is safe for us.", ">\n\nIs that a helpful comment, to accuse \"most\" of wholesale transphobia?", ">\n\nHow could you possibly come to the conclusion that the purpose of this poll is \"to try to invalidate trans identities\"?", ">\n\nIt's almost like they have larger issues to deal with...", ">\n\nyep, gop could 100% steal most of the black vote if they weren't racists", ">\n\nChristianity is a regressive force.", ">\n\ntruth", ">\n\nGood thing there’s no poor white people. Otherwise they could use this excuse too", ">\n\nI'll bet poor white people don't give af about pronouns either..", ">\n\nThat’s the point - it’s not an excuse…\nJust like being poor isn’t an excuse for being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc", ">\n\nWe see this play out regularly in Democratic primaries every four years. The Republican's social conservatism is extreme. Sometimes they make a half-hearted effort to appeal to black religious conservatives. They get very poor results. However, if Democrats nominate a white social liberal, black turnout could suffer. I hope we are spared an ugly future fight between Kamala Harris and someone like Buttigieg. The nominating process is too often a popularity contest. Democrats need to nominate someone who can win a general election. If you happen to like the strongest general election candidate, great. If we nominate the weaker candidate because they are more \"likeable,\" they will often lose a general election to the Republican.\nEdit: If you don't understand nuance, I need to state--This is only an opinion. It does not mean I like it.", ">\n\nI too hope Kamala and Pete are not our only options.", ">\n\nThe names were only used as an example. I fear that the primary voters will find a way to fuck it up, regardless of the candidates.", ">\n\nLet’s remember that Biden has been pretty clear in his support of trans people and was chosen by conservative black voters in SC. People are capable of choosing people they mostly agree with or think will be a good leader even if they don’t agree on all issues. I disagree with Biden on tons of stuff and did not vote for him in the primary, but he has been a very effective president. What this poll shows is that a lot of education is needed in all the communities surveyed and that will take time.", ">\n\nWhat a shock black people can be bigots too no matter how much they try and claim they can't be because of oppression.", ">\n\nYou cannot demand equality when it comes to race and and ethnicity and at the same time discriminate when it comes to sexual preference and identity. At least not if you're an honest, respectable person with integrity.", ">\n\nyou use 'can' in a descriptive way, I use it in a normative way", ">\n\nI see A LOT of white people talking about black folks in here.\nAnd there are A LOT of ASSUMPTIONS and GENERALIZATIONS too.\nSmh", ">\n\nHow exactly do you see a lot of skin color in an online forum with anonymous usernames and no avatars or personal photos?", ">\n\nMaybe I should correct myself and say a lot of NON BLACK people.\nI think it's pretty clear based on how people are speaking here.... \nBlack people are not some monolith group that can be categorized as such. We're ALL individuals with our own beliefs, values, and experiences.\nYet, I'm reading comments here saying \" Well no surprise, black people are pretty religious\".\" Black people are very socially conservative.\" \" Black people would vote Republican if it weren't obvious that they hated them\" ETC.\nExcuse me but wtf? To me at least as an obvious black person who isn't afraid to share their racial identity in this space, I know EXACTLY how non black people talk about us. Black people never generalize the group or other blacks like what's being said here.\nThe reality is most Black people are just as varied and diverse as anyone else in reality. And these generalizations aren't the answer at all.\nThe real answer to this question is that gender isn't a social construct, it's a reality. Blacks, having experienced 400 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow, having literally everything else as far as identity taken away from them KNOW this is fact. \nA man is a man and a woman is a woman no matter how you slice it. And there are natural differences within them both physiological and psychological and that is just the very genetic essence of the species.... (Yeah hermaphrodites exist but they are anomalies of nature that often die off fast and are infertile).\nWith that said, everyone can choose to do whatever and live life the way they want socially. But that doesn't change reality itself. And I think that's where A LOT of others get things mixed up.\nNow why is any of this relevant to me? Because I'm an agnostic and socially liberal black person, yet I still hold this belief despite it being considered \"conservative\" by folks here. And I'm FAR from the only black person who has commented here that breaks the highly upvoted generalization commented in this sub.\nAnd no, I have no interest in making legislation to hurt anyone. And to even see any comments even suggesting this idea, totally disregarding the history of American blacks as a suppressed and disenfranchised group is disgusting and laughable. \nThe vast majority of black folks, regardless of how religious or not or how liberal or conservative have absolutely no interest in hurting other people through legislation.....Come on...\nThere is so much groupthink here that any time that something doesn't fall in line with how people are TOLD to view things, that it's immediately viewed as a negative or a problem instead of what it really is, just a difference....", ">\n\nUnderstood. I see what you mean in that case. It’s very similar to those who commented on the midterms about the Hispanic/Mexican/Cuban voting bloc and how there is a Republican shift happening. But instead of looking at the voting results they attempted to make correlations with cause.", ">\n\nYet, Black people vote for Dems at higher rates than any other race. I’d say surveyors and pollsters might need to update their methodology.", ">\n\nPeople can believe this and not vote to discriminate against LBGTQ people.", ">\n\nI never understood how people can get so wrapped up in semantics. \nWe previously used sex and gender interchangeably, which wasn't really correct. Now, the two words are finally being used in the correct way: One is biological XX/XY and the other is a social definition. \nIt's as simple as that. JFC. Neither me or any of my liberal friends have any difficulty over this or are offended in any manner by saying there is a biological chromosomal sex difference. IT IS annoying when (predominantly right wing) people interchange the two words out of ignorance and then berate us for it. Yes, there can be many genders. No, there is only two sexes. Get over it. Stop your BS, dog whistle, victim mentality, fake culture war.", ">\n\nIt says Sex on my drivers license but people still want to put whatever letter they want. It’s not at all as simple as that.", ">\n\nThis is framing it wrong.\nThe better question is: why do you care?", ">\n\nWhy do you care is one of the most annoying arguments used in politics today", ">\n\nExactly. (Ask melania trump.)", ">\n\nQuestion, what is the breakdown of demographics by age of these black democrats? Are young black people more or less likely to be democrats / independents / or republicans? That was my immediate question, but i am also curious if black democrats support or oppose complete bans on transgender people. My assumption are that black democrats are a) older than other democrats (and thus more likely to be influenced by religion and prior social norms) b) more socially conservative c) disenfranchised (to the point that democratic messaging about transgender people directed towards them is non-existent).", ">\n\nNot really that surprising.\nBlack culture is still fairly unaccepting of LGBT as a whole (*In America), it's an ongoing cultural issue that's slowly changing but will take time. \nIn reality if Republicans put some actual effort into not fucking over black communities for a generation they'd probably be more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.", ">\n\nFirst world problems lol", ">\n\nI think we need to have the conversation that is 100% not anyone's business except the individual as to how they describe themselves. Of course, we need to have the conversation with the individual that gender at birth matters for health reasons of course but otherwise gender is a social construct except for reasons of biology.\nThe fact we even have to be concerned with \"rights\" for those who consider themselves transgender shows that there are a lot of people out there who feel they have rights to how others besides themselves label themselves. This is a sad state of affairs and little more than people trying to control the experiences of others outside themselves.", ">\n\nSeems like a pretty broad statement to make based on only a small sunset surveyed.", ">\n\nBlack peoples position on abortions for trans people in Taiwan (not China) ...... Ya I'm not touching that topic with a 10.5ft pole", ">\n\nInteresting result and in some cases they will go main stream", ">\n\nPeople have a right to vote in what they think is correct and agreeable to their values.", ">\n\nTbh all this article has shown me is fuck Republicans.", ">\n\nThis will probably not get noticed, but there is something wrong with that first chart. No way White is 72% while Rep is only 13%. And you can’t get majority of total saying it’s birth gender when the breakdown of race shows all but black show indicating gender can change.", ">\n\nThis is not new information, anyone who’s spent time around black democrats or black people and general will realize this", ">\n\nAh, makes sense why conservatives are going so hard on this issue lately. It plays well with their base and they are desperate to break up the black voting bloc to have a better chance in future elections.", ">\n\nThis is why it’s unsurprising that the democrats are losing black voters to the GOP (although not a lot overall) at a faster and faster rate as the GOP reverts to LGBT issues as their primary wedge issue.\nBlack communities overall are conservative and religious. The only reason they vote Democrat largely is because of the fact that the GOP is full of out and proud racists. That’s it. If the GOP dropped racism from their platform, a large section of the black community would vote GOP within 10 years", ">\n\nThis is well known to most except for the most liberal of white Dems. They think civil rights are a monolith and a unifying cause for all blue voters.\nIt’s not at all. Not all people of color are that one girl from your class in college. There are many many regressive views held in these communities and as a party, the Dems realize this.\nHence no progressive nominee for president.", ">\n\nOh wow, what a revelation. Democrats disagree, when Democrats have always disagreed. The Republicans are the Party of the wealthy and well connected mono thought. The Democrats are everyone else, so of course they disagree. As Will Rogers once remarked, \"I'm not a member of any organized political Party, I'm a Democrat!", ">\n\nBut they want the same progressive gains that gay people largely worked for on their own, and at the same time they badmouth gay and lesbian people they sure are happy to take our money whenever it comes to county programs and services funded by taxpayers, and we gay people do pay taxes. \nI’ve had to get on board by supporting everyone. I’ve heard many, many times from non-gay black people that I as a Native American gay woman am ‘dead weight’ because I can’t do anything for them politically. \nI’m sick of being treated like this and at the same time being forced to respect people who often don’t feel that’s a two way street. You want to reap the benefits of our work then suit up, show up & treat us with the same dignity and respect you’d expect to receive.", ">\n\nWhat’s really frustrating is that a lot of the most vocal support for gay/ trans rights has come from black members of that community because they KNOW THE SCORE. They see what it takes firsthand but so many of the rest of the black community is so deep in religion that there’s no way out for these social issues.", ">\n\nWell yeah no shit. Black people get robbed of good education in this country and shit education makes people socially conservative." ]

[ "They also tend to be more religious, as well. Are we shocked or surprised by this? Is this unknown information?", ">\n\nI'm not. This is well documentated, they tend to be more religous and socially conservative than other democrats. They also oppose abortion at a higher rate.", ">\n\n\nsocially conservative than other democrats.\n\nAnd I suspect its because Black people overwhelmingly break for Democrats. Where a white conservative person would typically vote for a Republican, the Black Conservative person may STILL vote Democrat due to the rampant racism apparent in the Republican party. \nIn other words, Black people aren't more conservative as a whole, they are just more Conservative when only looking at Democrats. (I would love to see actual data to back up this suspicion of mine)", ">\n\nIt's unlikely to be identical, since racial inequality leads to different racial balances among groups like academia and rural labor that tend to heavily influence political leanings. \nEither way, the reality is that the Republicans could pick up more votes by shifting to oppose racism but favor religious discrimination more highly.", ">\n\nBut then they’d lose the votes of the poor whites who don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy but do care about racism. So would it really be a net gain in votes?", ">\n\nThe trick is, most of those people also favor religious discrimination.", ">\n\nBut how many of them care about religious discrimination more than racial discrimination? It can’t be all of them.", ">\n\n.... a lot of them. It's not ok to say racist shit in polite company but it's absolutely OK to most people in most situations to say if people don't accept Jesus they'll rot in Hell.", ">\n\nNot really surprising if a person has spent any time hanging out with Black Democrats, or just a lot of Black people in general. Worth pointing out though that imho you’d have seen these same results probably if you asked about marriage equality 15 years ago.", ">\n\nI remember reading exactly this about marriage equality 15 years ago. If I recall correctly, most demographic groups had kind of the same breakdown as far as for/against, except Jewish people skewed heavily in favor of marriage equality and black people skewed against marriage equality. I was kind of surprised at the black part back then, but it made me not surprised at this headline today.", ">\n\nTrust me, not all other non-black democrats have the same views on this stuff either.", ">\n\nBut does that translate into them wanting to legislate it", ">\n\n\\^This. Personal beliefs don't always translate into policy preferences. White evangelicals are the group that seems most likely to just treat it as a given that their individual religious beliefs NEED to be codified into law.", ">\n\nYep.\nTheres a difference between being uncomfortable with something, thinking its strange, thinking its not in line with your beliefs etc and actively wanting the law to get involved.", ">\n\nAs a black person, particularly an atheist city-dweller, this is where I experience the greatest schism with my own community. In my mind, there are precisely zero differences between our own struggles for civil rights and those of the LBGTQ community. We should be holding hands in our fights against marginalization, not flirting with religiosity and conservative politics.\nI think it's a shame that black people cling to the white man's religion in the first place, but to follow it to the extent that you can't identify with those suffering right alongside you... Especially when the Black gay community is so fucking inventive and imitated (house music, fashion trends, slang, etc...), you'd think there'd be more acceptance.", ">\n\nI’d like your opinion on something I can’t quite fully wrap my head around. \nI’m also athiest, and pretty far on the progressive side of things generally. I fully support equality for the LBGTQ community. \nI’ve tried asking this question before and just get immediately slammed as a right wing shill. But I have a decade of comments people can check to be sure that’s not the case. \nI truly want to be an ally for trans people. I ask this question so that I can confidently support the community. \nIn your mind, is it different for someone born with XY chromosomes and male body parts to identify as a woman than a white girl like Rachel Dolezal to identify as black?\nI have a very hard time differentiating between those two scenarios and thought maybe you could help me out.", ">\n\nSee? This is the only answer I ever get. \nI’m being 100% authentic. If someone can’t lay out an answer for someone literally begging to be on the correct side of things, how do you expect to have this conversation with someone who is resistant to the idea? \nThere is no trap. Just try to answer the question clearly. \nTo me it’s a hard one and I’d like an answer that makes sense.", ">\n\nr/onejoke moment lol", ">\n\nHow do I talk to my bigoted uncles when they say this? I sincerely can’t get any help on the topic because all I get are empty YOU’RE JUST WRONG replies. \nI suspect it’s because you don’t have an answer to the question and are just as confused about it as I am but you don’t want to admit it. \nPlease prove me wrong.", ">\n\nDude, it’s in like every basic college text on the science of gender now - not only the answer you were given about brain structure, there are tons of other rare chromosomal configurations that give rise to mixtures of sex characteristics that combine typical male or female characteristics in various ways - not to mention intersex people exist who are born with genitals that aren’t clearly a penis or a vulva. On top of all of this you have tons of sociological research and studies, and queer theory, about the socialization of gender norms, the way they vary wildly across cultures, and shift over time in the same cultures - leading one to realize that gender expression is, for the most part, performative - through fashion choices and communication styles, and not related to one’s sex characteristics so much as their socialization. As such people have every right to express their gender however they feel like. Just do your own homework and read a chapter from a gender studies textbook. It’ll take you an hour at most.\nThat is, if you actually care that much about the topic as you seem to.", ">\n\nNot really shocking. The black community has historically been less accepting of the LGBTQ community. I think this has a lot to do with the role religion plays in much of the community", ">\n\nReligion is just a factor, if anything it’s just a portion of the trauma black Americans still suffer from due to slavery which contributes to current homophobia. I say this because even in non-religious black households (post black boomers) there’s still a high level of anti-LGBT rhetoric. (Side note: these non-religious black households I speak of also make more than 75k per year where I’m at so it could also be a socioeconomic “keeping up with the jones” thing as well)", ">\n\nWhat's the impetus for that anti-LGBTQ sentiment absent religion?", ">\n\nA lot of black people would vote Republican if Republicans weren’t intentionally and obviously anti-black.", ">\n\nRepublicans aren’t anti black, they just don’t kiss their ass like the Dems do", ">\n\nCome to the south lol. They hate us", ">\n\nFor real. I am a white guy living in the south. The absolutely vile shit that I’ve heard over the years because they think I’m “safe” is insane.", ">\n\nMy dad had a conversation with the sheriff of a local county who wouldn't stop saying the N word. It was clear he felt he was \"safe\". People still hold these beliefs they just keep quiet until they get alone with someone they think thinks the same things they do.", ">\n\nWhenever people assume black people are very progressive I just think they don’t actually know that many black people.", ">\n\nI get why politicians lean in to the trans issue in a negative way, because it’s a hot-button topic that whips up a base. What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit whether or not someone else identifies as a different gender. What’s the problem here? It took all of 10 minutes of googling to understand that I’m a white cis male, and that other people may or may not identify as such. Boom. Done. I learned something new and now other people hopefully feel more comfortable around me. Why is denying trans rights a hill that so many people are willing to die on?!", ">\n\nThe reason it’s an issue is because it affects public policy about access to things based upon gender. It also significantly affects how this stuff is talked about with kids and supersedes parenting in many cases. It affects parents who would rather their kids think that gender is not selectable when you have a public school curriculum that is fine with telling them it is, people who don’t like transgender people get upset because it’s affecting the control they have over their families, upbringing and values.", ">\n\nIt likely is having very little effect on their families and I imagine few of them are actually exposed to it with any kind of regularity. Rather, they hear that it's some sort of big deal from Fox News and others and so they believe it.\nTransgender people in women's sports? There are only a handful of instances of this being an issue across the entire country.\nPublic school curriculum? In most places will have absolutely zero lessons regarding this topic.", ">\n\nYou’re describing things that are currently changing. There is far more than a handful of women in men’s sports in high schools. I don’t really care about that issue. A huge portion of trans rights is having trans representation in sex education. As there should be, if society is to be respectful to this. So what you’re currently describing is the state of affairs that the success of trans rights and gender fluidity recognition intends to change. The conservative reaction is to that.", ">\n\n\nThe conservative reaction is to that.\n\nThe conservative reaction is to trans people existing. American conservatives have been fighting a culture war since 1960, continuously, and they just mad lib in words from today. The actual target doesn't really matter. What matters is that there is a target.", ">\n\nI’m referring to all the news stories that have come up in the past two years about trans people.", ">\n\nYes you're right, there are a great many of overblown fear-mongering articles about trans folks coming out lately. As the poster above you said: there needs to be a target for hate, doesn't matter who.", ">\n\nYes, welcome to the past 30 years of LGBT electoral politics.", ">\n\nThere’s a ton of homophobic and transphobia in the black community and it’s weird it’s not brought up more often", ">\n\nYes. Black trans women are the most targeted minority there is. \nYou’d think always being a target of bigotry and hate, that you wouldn’t pass that on.", ">\n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n-Lyndon B. Johnson\nReplace white with black and 'colored' with Trans and you got a new working recipe. Nobody is immune to prejudice, its just with black people the irony is extremely noticable. Theres no reason black people wouldn't be susceptable to the same ploy as white people.", ">\n\nTrue.", ">\n\nSomething like 90 percent of black people vote Democrat compared to something like 40 percent of white people.\nIf you compare 90 percent of any population to the most liberal 40 percent of any other population it'd be mind blowing if the larger group wasn't more conservative. \nThis is a bit like being dismayed to discover that 50 percent of school children have below average intelligence.", ">\n\nThis is like no shit Sherlock moment. It’s known that homophobia and transphobia is large in the black community so this would be reflected in the democratically elected people of that community. Like a problem sure but not a surprising one.", ">\n\nWork in healthcare. Almost all anti-vax staff (that I know of) were black. Especially the religious, older generation. \nI know there is a long historical reason for their believes but its still a noticable pattern.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. I live in a deep blue neighborhood with a lot of black and Hispanic individuals, and they generally don't get along with (or are neutral towards) the LGBTQ+ community. There's also a lot of \"anti race mixing\" type drama against interracial couples (like a black and white couple having a light-skinned black kid).\nThe younger 20-something ones are very far left, though. One young black man was going door to door supporting a petition for UBI and a $20/hour minimum wage in California that most people in the apartment complex I live in (including myself) signed, I had a really cool discussion with him (he put me on the idea of constitutionally guaranteed housing). It's mostly the older ones that are still center-right.", ">\n\nA lot of Black people are actually pretty socially conservative, my family included. Kind of ironic that Republicans could have a real untapped voting block if they weren't so vehemently dedicated to racist pandering.", ">\n\nYou mean the big tent party is not a monolith? 😱", ">\n\nWasn't there something unusual that happened in California regarding a proposition on gay marriage at the same time Obama was on the ballot that ties into this idea?", ">\n\nAnd shockingly, their personal opinions DONT carry so much hate with them, that they’re willing to vote against their own best interests to ensure we all know who they hate.\nGive me more groups of people who are uninterested in the coming and going’s of another group and are just willing to vote for the greater good, I’ll take that. \nPlenty of white democrat voters dont grasp the extent at which black people are still unfairly treated in the US. They still vote for the people who do, because ultimately… the greater good.\nHere is an alternate headline: Black Democrats overwhelmingly prove they’re willing to protect the rights of others, even when they admittedly don’t understand them.", ">\n\nThis. This right here exactly. Voting from spite seems to be unique to white conservatives.", ">\n\nUh yeah, democrats are a coalition, not really an ideology", ">\n\nI'll get down voted for this but who cares, this is not an important issue. We need to focus on class solidarity rather than culture war topics that effect .5% of the population. Yes it's transphobic , but these talking points are a smoke screen used to divide us proletariate against each other. Our wealth has been and continues to be stolen from us by the one percent. We are under constant class warfare and we fight amongst ourselves. First we need to raise the floor, and create a more egalitarian society: one in which there is equality of opportunity, one in which we have our basic needs met for, and one in which we earn our proper share of the wealth we create. Once we achieve these goals literacy, empathy, and cultural tolerance will floresh; but we need to focus on the fight that is in front of us that effects the majority, the proletariate, first.", ">\n\nI agree with the need for class solidarity. We need to desperately address wealth inequality and fight the rich. However, Republicans are committing genocide against transgender people. You might see that word in my previous sentence, “genocide”, and say to yourself, “she’s just being dramatic, the Republicans are just passing reasonable, common-sense medical restrictions on a fringe group of weirdos”. \nFrom the United Nations:\nIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:\n1.) Killing members of the group;\n2.) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;\n3.) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;\n4.) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;\n5.) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group\n——-\n1.) Transgender people are frequently murdered. \n2.) Transgender people are frequently “legislative refugees”, and are leaving deep red states as quick as they can (if they can afford to), while the laws dictating how old you can be to transition looks like they’re gonna aim to raise it from 21 to 26 this year. One such law is called the “Millstone Act”. That’s only gonna increase. \n3.) Red states don’t cover trans health care, leaving trans people poorer than cis people. \n4.) HRT frequently sterilizes trans people, but for those that remain fertile, some countries have enforced sterilization. \n5.) Step right up and watch Texas investigate the parents of trans kids for child abuse using CPS..\nYou don’t need to even meet all the qualifications of genocide for it to BE genocide. So any time I see a Democrat say “we need to say, ‘fuck trans people, we need to focus on more important things’, I say:\nHow will history judge you for standing aside and letting this happen? Will they understand in fifty years why you had to let one of our most vulnerable minority groups be fed to the wolves to pass a legislative agenda? In a hundred?", ">\n\nNo I understand all that let me be clear, I am addressing the title of the article. I don't think addressing the transphobia of poor black people should come before addressing the material inequality that black people are subjected to. If we address these issues first then what will follow is a more educated and empathetic people. Right now people are experiencing food and housing insecurity or at the very the threat of this. Wages are stagnant, and the police state is growing in it's power and reach while being routinely championed by media. A lot of Americans do not have the time, education, or luxury to worry about a virtually invisible minority. I agree that conservatives are monsters but articles like this just exist to divide us. \nI am not saying we should not be using the law to protect people, I agree with this. I just don't think we need neo liberal articles trying to point fingers at an already marginalized group of people and saying they are part of the problem.", ">\n\nI agree that we need to address material inequality over the feelings of a demographic.\nI just also believe that the “virtually invisible minority” needs to be saved from the opposition’s efforts to kill them all. Of course, as a trans person myself, I vote Democrat. If the Republican Party platform was pro-trans (somehow) and they still held all their current positions otherwise, I would still vote Democrat, because opposition to the science of climate change, systemic inequality, racism, xenophobia, and rampant narcissism are still not qualities I look for in a leader.\nTL;DR version: article is garbage trying to fan the flames of contention, hurting trans people is GOP priority #1 and I wish Democrats would stand with us the way we stand with them.", ">\n\nMaybe the real goal should be to try not to fit all Black Democrats or all Black people into boxes. The word monolith gets tossed around a lot as a bad thing, and it is, but it still seems to be the thing pollsters try to create and pretend that they have identified.", ">\n\nSure, but that isn’t an exclusively black democrat or black people problem. Society puts people into boxes all the time I.e. conservatives are xyz, democrats are xyz, white America has an xyz problem, etc.", ">\n\nThis seems like it should be the #1 priority in messaging. Draw parallels between minority issues and gay rights. Introduce your gay selves to black people so they can see you're not that different.\nFixing this now would be ideal.", ">\n\nAs a very liberal black person, let me just say: duh", ">\n\nIsn’t the black community known for being pretty homophobic in general? I thought that was common knowledge?", ">\n\nBig difference between personal morality and wanting to impose your religious values on everyone else through government. Black Christians fundamentally understand tolerance doesn't necessarily mean approval. That's a level of maturity the far right and far left haven't achieved.", ">\n\nThose last two sentences need to be said waaaay more", ">\n\nBlack Americans sre Christians, the great enigma.", ">\n\nMany younger ones are not as religious as their parents.", ">\n\nHomophobia in the black community? Stoppp", ">\n\nIf Republican’s were not openly racist at least 1/2 of African Americans would vote for them. But Republicans would lose 2/3’s of whites who would start voting by class, so Republican’s cultivate and maintain racist values in the party.", ">\n\nOf course they do. Uneducated black people and uneducated white people are the same. Skin color plays no role. Bigoted regressive views are to be expected.", ">\n\nIt's not surprising. The monolithic portion of the black community in the US is rife with toxic masculinity.\nThat's sad is that all those Trans people really just want to exist. Imagine the pettiness required to say to someone \"You can't do this thing that will help make you whole because I don't feel like having to think about it.\".\nBut that war's already lost. Trans acceptance is only going to increase, and eventually it'll be mundane, and people will look back and wonder why people were so backward.", ">\n\nThis is because the black community is more religious feels that the black family unit has taken serious damage from the War in Drugs, Mass incarceration, Systemic racism etc.\nThis is coming from an entirely different place than what we are seeing in the GOP, and is not necessarily indicative of the same anti-LGBTQ+ bullshit that is taking place on that side of the isle.\nHowever, the black community will continue to support democrats for the time being, because the overwhelming consensus is that the brand of conservatism that is currently ruling the GOP is the main threat that has hurt them in the first place for decades.", ">\n\nIt's also indiscriminate, no matter what sides Black Americans fall on there's something that party has done to make their lives worse.", ">\n\nThere is a fault line within the Democratic party. Black democrats are ready to split not just on transgender issues but also inclusivity of other minorities.\nSome of the chief plaintiffs in the affirmative action case before the SC are Asian Americans, not because they opposed Black students getting extra points compared to White students but because Asian students had admission points deducted from them for being Asian. There are deep fissures between Jewish Americans and African Americans as well. \nA decent candidate running on black liberation theology could easily spoil a democratic presidency in 2024.", ">\n\nHoly shit this is pure uncut hopium. \nDifference in opinion and attitudes isn’t a sign of impending conflict. Hell, even if it were, it really speaks to how much those voting blocks hate Republicans. \nI know, I know, I know, Kanye could do it or whatever, it’s ok.", ">\n\nDo you really think the long standing issues between these minority groups is really due to a difference of opinion? A Farrakhan type or endorsed candidate could easily spoil a tight election in 2024. They would likely need less than 2 percent of the vote in certain swing states. Biden already has declining approval among Black Americans. The bifurcated American Politics of \"Left vs. Right\" doesn't reflect reality.", ">\n\nIt reflects election results though. \nEvery voting block could break itself into atomized parties. You simultaneously believe these voting blocks don’t know their party doesn’t represent their objectives to the degree they would like. While also, believing these voters would form a new party when they realize that? \nYou’re just wish-casting a scenario where Kanye is politically viable. You can present it in the most mealy mouthed way possible, it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting at.", ">\n\nI'm not and zero. Index funds only for this guy.", ">\n\nAh so you don't even yield to the pretense of being okay with gay people", ">\n\nWhat are you talking about? I'm a gay man.", ">\n\nI'm a white male democrat in the south. I think sex is assigned at birth but gender is a social construct. Someone can be genetically male but feel like a female and it doesn't hurt me to call them her if that's what she wants to be called. It takes zero effort to be kind. \nNow the whole sports issue is valid imo but Republicans use it on bad faith arguments. The issue is complicated but just call people what they want to be called. It's not hard.", ">\n\nThere’s a difference between call people what they want and hate speech laws though. And that’s not even close to where the political issue stops.", ">\n\nWhat are you even on about. I'm talking about day to day interactions with trans people. I don't think I said anything wrong?", ">\n\nI don’t think you said anything wrong either. And i largely agree on the day to day interaction side. What I’m saying is that isn’t where any of this stops.", ">\n\nWell im 30 and just came out as gay to my first person. I just recently accepted it myself. So I'm still trying to learn and grow as a person. It's hard being from the deep south and not knowing any of this.", ">\n\nDont use this to divide. Most of you regardless of your background have deeply transphobic views. No community but our own is safe for us.", ">\n\nIs that a helpful comment, to accuse \"most\" of wholesale transphobia?", ">\n\nHow could you possibly come to the conclusion that the purpose of this poll is \"to try to invalidate trans identities\"?", ">\n\nIt's almost like they have larger issues to deal with...", ">\n\nyep, gop could 100% steal most of the black vote if they weren't racists", ">\n\nChristianity is a regressive force.", ">\n\ntruth", ">\n\nGood thing there’s no poor white people. Otherwise they could use this excuse too", ">\n\nI'll bet poor white people don't give af about pronouns either..", ">\n\nThat’s the point - it’s not an excuse…\nJust like being poor isn’t an excuse for being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc", ">\n\nWe see this play out regularly in Democratic primaries every four years. The Republican's social conservatism is extreme. Sometimes they make a half-hearted effort to appeal to black religious conservatives. They get very poor results. However, if Democrats nominate a white social liberal, black turnout could suffer. I hope we are spared an ugly future fight between Kamala Harris and someone like Buttigieg. The nominating process is too often a popularity contest. Democrats need to nominate someone who can win a general election. If you happen to like the strongest general election candidate, great. If we nominate the weaker candidate because they are more \"likeable,\" they will often lose a general election to the Republican.\nEdit: If you don't understand nuance, I need to state--This is only an opinion. It does not mean I like it.", ">\n\nI too hope Kamala and Pete are not our only options.", ">\n\nThe names were only used as an example. I fear that the primary voters will find a way to fuck it up, regardless of the candidates.", ">\n\nLet’s remember that Biden has been pretty clear in his support of trans people and was chosen by conservative black voters in SC. People are capable of choosing people they mostly agree with or think will be a good leader even if they don’t agree on all issues. I disagree with Biden on tons of stuff and did not vote for him in the primary, but he has been a very effective president. What this poll shows is that a lot of education is needed in all the communities surveyed and that will take time.", ">\n\nWhat a shock black people can be bigots too no matter how much they try and claim they can't be because of oppression.", ">\n\nYou cannot demand equality when it comes to race and and ethnicity and at the same time discriminate when it comes to sexual preference and identity. At least not if you're an honest, respectable person with integrity.", ">\n\nyou use 'can' in a descriptive way, I use it in a normative way", ">\n\nI see A LOT of white people talking about black folks in here.\nAnd there are A LOT of ASSUMPTIONS and GENERALIZATIONS too.\nSmh", ">\n\nHow exactly do you see a lot of skin color in an online forum with anonymous usernames and no avatars or personal photos?", ">\n\nMaybe I should correct myself and say a lot of NON BLACK people.\nI think it's pretty clear based on how people are speaking here.... \nBlack people are not some monolith group that can be categorized as such. We're ALL individuals with our own beliefs, values, and experiences.\nYet, I'm reading comments here saying \" Well no surprise, black people are pretty religious\".\" Black people are very socially conservative.\" \" Black people would vote Republican if it weren't obvious that they hated them\" ETC.\nExcuse me but wtf? To me at least as an obvious black person who isn't afraid to share their racial identity in this space, I know EXACTLY how non black people talk about us. Black people never generalize the group or other blacks like what's being said here.\nThe reality is most Black people are just as varied and diverse as anyone else in reality. And these generalizations aren't the answer at all.\nThe real answer to this question is that gender isn't a social construct, it's a reality. Blacks, having experienced 400 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow, having literally everything else as far as identity taken away from them KNOW this is fact. \nA man is a man and a woman is a woman no matter how you slice it. And there are natural differences within them both physiological and psychological and that is just the very genetic essence of the species.... (Yeah hermaphrodites exist but they are anomalies of nature that often die off fast and are infertile).\nWith that said, everyone can choose to do whatever and live life the way they want socially. But that doesn't change reality itself. And I think that's where A LOT of others get things mixed up.\nNow why is any of this relevant to me? Because I'm an agnostic and socially liberal black person, yet I still hold this belief despite it being considered \"conservative\" by folks here. And I'm FAR from the only black person who has commented here that breaks the highly upvoted generalization commented in this sub.\nAnd no, I have no interest in making legislation to hurt anyone. And to even see any comments even suggesting this idea, totally disregarding the history of American blacks as a suppressed and disenfranchised group is disgusting and laughable. \nThe vast majority of black folks, regardless of how religious or not or how liberal or conservative have absolutely no interest in hurting other people through legislation.....Come on...\nThere is so much groupthink here that any time that something doesn't fall in line with how people are TOLD to view things, that it's immediately viewed as a negative or a problem instead of what it really is, just a difference....", ">\n\nUnderstood. I see what you mean in that case. It’s very similar to those who commented on the midterms about the Hispanic/Mexican/Cuban voting bloc and how there is a Republican shift happening. But instead of looking at the voting results they attempted to make correlations with cause.", ">\n\nYet, Black people vote for Dems at higher rates than any other race. I’d say surveyors and pollsters might need to update their methodology.", ">\n\nPeople can believe this and not vote to discriminate against LBGTQ people.", ">\n\nI never understood how people can get so wrapped up in semantics. \nWe previously used sex and gender interchangeably, which wasn't really correct. Now, the two words are finally being used in the correct way: One is biological XX/XY and the other is a social definition. \nIt's as simple as that. JFC. Neither me or any of my liberal friends have any difficulty over this or are offended in any manner by saying there is a biological chromosomal sex difference. IT IS annoying when (predominantly right wing) people interchange the two words out of ignorance and then berate us for it. Yes, there can be many genders. No, there is only two sexes. Get over it. Stop your BS, dog whistle, victim mentality, fake culture war.", ">\n\nIt says Sex on my drivers license but people still want to put whatever letter they want. It’s not at all as simple as that.", ">\n\nThis is framing it wrong.\nThe better question is: why do you care?", ">\n\nWhy do you care is one of the most annoying arguments used in politics today", ">\n\nExactly. (Ask melania trump.)", ">\n\nQuestion, what is the breakdown of demographics by age of these black democrats? Are young black people more or less likely to be democrats / independents / or republicans? That was my immediate question, but i am also curious if black democrats support or oppose complete bans on transgender people. My assumption are that black democrats are a) older than other democrats (and thus more likely to be influenced by religion and prior social norms) b) more socially conservative c) disenfranchised (to the point that democratic messaging about transgender people directed towards them is non-existent).", ">\n\nNot really that surprising.\nBlack culture is still fairly unaccepting of LGBT as a whole (*In America), it's an ongoing cultural issue that's slowly changing but will take time. \nIn reality if Republicans put some actual effort into not fucking over black communities for a generation they'd probably be more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.", ">\n\nFirst world problems lol", ">\n\nI think we need to have the conversation that is 100% not anyone's business except the individual as to how they describe themselves. Of course, we need to have the conversation with the individual that gender at birth matters for health reasons of course but otherwise gender is a social construct except for reasons of biology.\nThe fact we even have to be concerned with \"rights\" for those who consider themselves transgender shows that there are a lot of people out there who feel they have rights to how others besides themselves label themselves. This is a sad state of affairs and little more than people trying to control the experiences of others outside themselves.", ">\n\nSeems like a pretty broad statement to make based on only a small sunset surveyed.", ">\n\nBlack peoples position on abortions for trans people in Taiwan (not China) ...... Ya I'm not touching that topic with a 10.5ft pole", ">\n\nInteresting result and in some cases they will go main stream", ">\n\nPeople have a right to vote in what they think is correct and agreeable to their values.", ">\n\nTbh all this article has shown me is fuck Republicans.", ">\n\nThis will probably not get noticed, but there is something wrong with that first chart. No way White is 72% while Rep is only 13%. And you can’t get majority of total saying it’s birth gender when the breakdown of race shows all but black show indicating gender can change.", ">\n\nThis is not new information, anyone who’s spent time around black democrats or black people and general will realize this", ">\n\nAh, makes sense why conservatives are going so hard on this issue lately. It plays well with their base and they are desperate to break up the black voting bloc to have a better chance in future elections.", ">\n\nThis is why it’s unsurprising that the democrats are losing black voters to the GOP (although not a lot overall) at a faster and faster rate as the GOP reverts to LGBT issues as their primary wedge issue.\nBlack communities overall are conservative and religious. The only reason they vote Democrat largely is because of the fact that the GOP is full of out and proud racists. That’s it. If the GOP dropped racism from their platform, a large section of the black community would vote GOP within 10 years", ">\n\nThis is well known to most except for the most liberal of white Dems. They think civil rights are a monolith and a unifying cause for all blue voters.\nIt’s not at all. Not all people of color are that one girl from your class in college. There are many many regressive views held in these communities and as a party, the Dems realize this.\nHence no progressive nominee for president.", ">\n\nOh wow, what a revelation. Democrats disagree, when Democrats have always disagreed. The Republicans are the Party of the wealthy and well connected mono thought. The Democrats are everyone else, so of course they disagree. As Will Rogers once remarked, \"I'm not a member of any organized political Party, I'm a Democrat!", ">\n\nBut they want the same progressive gains that gay people largely worked for on their own, and at the same time they badmouth gay and lesbian people they sure are happy to take our money whenever it comes to county programs and services funded by taxpayers, and we gay people do pay taxes. \nI’ve had to get on board by supporting everyone. I’ve heard many, many times from non-gay black people that I as a Native American gay woman am ‘dead weight’ because I can’t do anything for them politically. \nI’m sick of being treated like this and at the same time being forced to respect people who often don’t feel that’s a two way street. You want to reap the benefits of our work then suit up, show up & treat us with the same dignity and respect you’d expect to receive.", ">\n\nWhat’s really frustrating is that a lot of the most vocal support for gay/ trans rights has come from black members of that community because they KNOW THE SCORE. They see what it takes firsthand but so many of the rest of the black community is so deep in religion that there’s no way out for these social issues.", ">\n\nWell yeah no shit. Black people get robbed of good education in this country and shit education makes people socially conservative.", ">\n\nAre you saying that black people are dumb?" ]

[ "They also tend to be more religious, as well. Are we shocked or surprised by this? Is this unknown information?", ">\n\nI'm not. This is well documentated, they tend to be more religous and socially conservative than other democrats. They also oppose abortion at a higher rate.", ">\n\n\nsocially conservative than other democrats.\n\nAnd I suspect its because Black people overwhelmingly break for Democrats. Where a white conservative person would typically vote for a Republican, the Black Conservative person may STILL vote Democrat due to the rampant racism apparent in the Republican party. \nIn other words, Black people aren't more conservative as a whole, they are just more Conservative when only looking at Democrats. (I would love to see actual data to back up this suspicion of mine)", ">\n\nIt's unlikely to be identical, since racial inequality leads to different racial balances among groups like academia and rural labor that tend to heavily influence political leanings. \nEither way, the reality is that the Republicans could pick up more votes by shifting to oppose racism but favor religious discrimination more highly.", ">\n\nBut then they’d lose the votes of the poor whites who don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy but do care about racism. So would it really be a net gain in votes?", ">\n\nThe trick is, most of those people also favor religious discrimination.", ">\n\nBut how many of them care about religious discrimination more than racial discrimination? It can’t be all of them.", ">\n\n.... a lot of them. It's not ok to say racist shit in polite company but it's absolutely OK to most people in most situations to say if people don't accept Jesus they'll rot in Hell.", ">\n\nNot really surprising if a person has spent any time hanging out with Black Democrats, or just a lot of Black people in general. Worth pointing out though that imho you’d have seen these same results probably if you asked about marriage equality 15 years ago.", ">\n\nI remember reading exactly this about marriage equality 15 years ago. If I recall correctly, most demographic groups had kind of the same breakdown as far as for/against, except Jewish people skewed heavily in favor of marriage equality and black people skewed against marriage equality. I was kind of surprised at the black part back then, but it made me not surprised at this headline today.", ">\n\nTrust me, not all other non-black democrats have the same views on this stuff either.", ">\n\nBut does that translate into them wanting to legislate it", ">\n\n\\^This. Personal beliefs don't always translate into policy preferences. White evangelicals are the group that seems most likely to just treat it as a given that their individual religious beliefs NEED to be codified into law.", ">\n\nYep.\nTheres a difference between being uncomfortable with something, thinking its strange, thinking its not in line with your beliefs etc and actively wanting the law to get involved.", ">\n\nAs a black person, particularly an atheist city-dweller, this is where I experience the greatest schism with my own community. In my mind, there are precisely zero differences between our own struggles for civil rights and those of the LBGTQ community. We should be holding hands in our fights against marginalization, not flirting with religiosity and conservative politics.\nI think it's a shame that black people cling to the white man's religion in the first place, but to follow it to the extent that you can't identify with those suffering right alongside you... Especially when the Black gay community is so fucking inventive and imitated (house music, fashion trends, slang, etc...), you'd think there'd be more acceptance.", ">\n\nI’d like your opinion on something I can’t quite fully wrap my head around. \nI’m also athiest, and pretty far on the progressive side of things generally. I fully support equality for the LBGTQ community. \nI’ve tried asking this question before and just get immediately slammed as a right wing shill. But I have a decade of comments people can check to be sure that’s not the case. \nI truly want to be an ally for trans people. I ask this question so that I can confidently support the community. \nIn your mind, is it different for someone born with XY chromosomes and male body parts to identify as a woman than a white girl like Rachel Dolezal to identify as black?\nI have a very hard time differentiating between those two scenarios and thought maybe you could help me out.", ">\n\nSee? This is the only answer I ever get. \nI’m being 100% authentic. If someone can’t lay out an answer for someone literally begging to be on the correct side of things, how do you expect to have this conversation with someone who is resistant to the idea? \nThere is no trap. Just try to answer the question clearly. \nTo me it’s a hard one and I’d like an answer that makes sense.", ">\n\nr/onejoke moment lol", ">\n\nHow do I talk to my bigoted uncles when they say this? I sincerely can’t get any help on the topic because all I get are empty YOU’RE JUST WRONG replies. \nI suspect it’s because you don’t have an answer to the question and are just as confused about it as I am but you don’t want to admit it. \nPlease prove me wrong.", ">\n\nDude, it’s in like every basic college text on the science of gender now - not only the answer you were given about brain structure, there are tons of other rare chromosomal configurations that give rise to mixtures of sex characteristics that combine typical male or female characteristics in various ways - not to mention intersex people exist who are born with genitals that aren’t clearly a penis or a vulva. On top of all of this you have tons of sociological research and studies, and queer theory, about the socialization of gender norms, the way they vary wildly across cultures, and shift over time in the same cultures - leading one to realize that gender expression is, for the most part, performative - through fashion choices and communication styles, and not related to one’s sex characteristics so much as their socialization. As such people have every right to express their gender however they feel like. Just do your own homework and read a chapter from a gender studies textbook. It’ll take you an hour at most.\nThat is, if you actually care that much about the topic as you seem to.", ">\n\nNot really shocking. The black community has historically been less accepting of the LGBTQ community. I think this has a lot to do with the role religion plays in much of the community", ">\n\nReligion is just a factor, if anything it’s just a portion of the trauma black Americans still suffer from due to slavery which contributes to current homophobia. I say this because even in non-religious black households (post black boomers) there’s still a high level of anti-LGBT rhetoric. (Side note: these non-religious black households I speak of also make more than 75k per year where I’m at so it could also be a socioeconomic “keeping up with the jones” thing as well)", ">\n\nWhat's the impetus for that anti-LGBTQ sentiment absent religion?", ">\n\nA lot of black people would vote Republican if Republicans weren’t intentionally and obviously anti-black.", ">\n\nRepublicans aren’t anti black, they just don’t kiss their ass like the Dems do", ">\n\nCome to the south lol. They hate us", ">\n\nFor real. I am a white guy living in the south. The absolutely vile shit that I’ve heard over the years because they think I’m “safe” is insane.", ">\n\nMy dad had a conversation with the sheriff of a local county who wouldn't stop saying the N word. It was clear he felt he was \"safe\". People still hold these beliefs they just keep quiet until they get alone with someone they think thinks the same things they do.", ">\n\nWhenever people assume black people are very progressive I just think they don’t actually know that many black people.", ">\n\nI get why politicians lean in to the trans issue in a negative way, because it’s a hot-button topic that whips up a base. What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit whether or not someone else identifies as a different gender. What’s the problem here? It took all of 10 minutes of googling to understand that I’m a white cis male, and that other people may or may not identify as such. Boom. Done. I learned something new and now other people hopefully feel more comfortable around me. Why is denying trans rights a hill that so many people are willing to die on?!", ">\n\nThe reason it’s an issue is because it affects public policy about access to things based upon gender. It also significantly affects how this stuff is talked about with kids and supersedes parenting in many cases. It affects parents who would rather their kids think that gender is not selectable when you have a public school curriculum that is fine with telling them it is, people who don’t like transgender people get upset because it’s affecting the control they have over their families, upbringing and values.", ">\n\nIt likely is having very little effect on their families and I imagine few of them are actually exposed to it with any kind of regularity. Rather, they hear that it's some sort of big deal from Fox News and others and so they believe it.\nTransgender people in women's sports? There are only a handful of instances of this being an issue across the entire country.\nPublic school curriculum? In most places will have absolutely zero lessons regarding this topic.", ">\n\nYou’re describing things that are currently changing. There is far more than a handful of women in men’s sports in high schools. I don’t really care about that issue. A huge portion of trans rights is having trans representation in sex education. As there should be, if society is to be respectful to this. So what you’re currently describing is the state of affairs that the success of trans rights and gender fluidity recognition intends to change. The conservative reaction is to that.", ">\n\n\nThe conservative reaction is to that.\n\nThe conservative reaction is to trans people existing. American conservatives have been fighting a culture war since 1960, continuously, and they just mad lib in words from today. The actual target doesn't really matter. What matters is that there is a target.", ">\n\nI’m referring to all the news stories that have come up in the past two years about trans people.", ">\n\nYes you're right, there are a great many of overblown fear-mongering articles about trans folks coming out lately. As the poster above you said: there needs to be a target for hate, doesn't matter who.", ">\n\nYes, welcome to the past 30 years of LGBT electoral politics.", ">\n\nThere’s a ton of homophobic and transphobia in the black community and it’s weird it’s not brought up more often", ">\n\nYes. Black trans women are the most targeted minority there is. \nYou’d think always being a target of bigotry and hate, that you wouldn’t pass that on.", ">\n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n-Lyndon B. Johnson\nReplace white with black and 'colored' with Trans and you got a new working recipe. Nobody is immune to prejudice, its just with black people the irony is extremely noticable. Theres no reason black people wouldn't be susceptable to the same ploy as white people.", ">\n\nTrue.", ">\n\nSomething like 90 percent of black people vote Democrat compared to something like 40 percent of white people.\nIf you compare 90 percent of any population to the most liberal 40 percent of any other population it'd be mind blowing if the larger group wasn't more conservative. \nThis is a bit like being dismayed to discover that 50 percent of school children have below average intelligence.", ">\n\nThis is like no shit Sherlock moment. It’s known that homophobia and transphobia is large in the black community so this would be reflected in the democratically elected people of that community. Like a problem sure but not a surprising one.", ">\n\nWork in healthcare. Almost all anti-vax staff (that I know of) were black. Especially the religious, older generation. \nI know there is a long historical reason for their believes but its still a noticable pattern.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. I live in a deep blue neighborhood with a lot of black and Hispanic individuals, and they generally don't get along with (or are neutral towards) the LGBTQ+ community. There's also a lot of \"anti race mixing\" type drama against interracial couples (like a black and white couple having a light-skinned black kid).\nThe younger 20-something ones are very far left, though. One young black man was going door to door supporting a petition for UBI and a $20/hour minimum wage in California that most people in the apartment complex I live in (including myself) signed, I had a really cool discussion with him (he put me on the idea of constitutionally guaranteed housing). It's mostly the older ones that are still center-right.", ">\n\nA lot of Black people are actually pretty socially conservative, my family included. Kind of ironic that Republicans could have a real untapped voting block if they weren't so vehemently dedicated to racist pandering.", ">\n\nYou mean the big tent party is not a monolith? 😱", ">\n\nWasn't there something unusual that happened in California regarding a proposition on gay marriage at the same time Obama was on the ballot that ties into this idea?", ">\n\nAnd shockingly, their personal opinions DONT carry so much hate with them, that they’re willing to vote against their own best interests to ensure we all know who they hate.\nGive me more groups of people who are uninterested in the coming and going’s of another group and are just willing to vote for the greater good, I’ll take that. \nPlenty of white democrat voters dont grasp the extent at which black people are still unfairly treated in the US. They still vote for the people who do, because ultimately… the greater good.\nHere is an alternate headline: Black Democrats overwhelmingly prove they’re willing to protect the rights of others, even when they admittedly don’t understand them.", ">\n\nThis. This right here exactly. Voting from spite seems to be unique to white conservatives.", ">\n\nUh yeah, democrats are a coalition, not really an ideology", ">\n\nI'll get down voted for this but who cares, this is not an important issue. We need to focus on class solidarity rather than culture war topics that effect .5% of the population. Yes it's transphobic , but these talking points are a smoke screen used to divide us proletariate against each other. Our wealth has been and continues to be stolen from us by the one percent. We are under constant class warfare and we fight amongst ourselves. First we need to raise the floor, and create a more egalitarian society: one in which there is equality of opportunity, one in which we have our basic needs met for, and one in which we earn our proper share of the wealth we create. Once we achieve these goals literacy, empathy, and cultural tolerance will floresh; but we need to focus on the fight that is in front of us that effects the majority, the proletariate, first.", ">\n\nI agree with the need for class solidarity. We need to desperately address wealth inequality and fight the rich. However, Republicans are committing genocide against transgender people. You might see that word in my previous sentence, “genocide”, and say to yourself, “she’s just being dramatic, the Republicans are just passing reasonable, common-sense medical restrictions on a fringe group of weirdos”. \nFrom the United Nations:\nIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:\n1.) Killing members of the group;\n2.) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;\n3.) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;\n4.) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;\n5.) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group\n——-\n1.) Transgender people are frequently murdered. \n2.) Transgender people are frequently “legislative refugees”, and are leaving deep red states as quick as they can (if they can afford to), while the laws dictating how old you can be to transition looks like they’re gonna aim to raise it from 21 to 26 this year. One such law is called the “Millstone Act”. That’s only gonna increase. \n3.) Red states don’t cover trans health care, leaving trans people poorer than cis people. \n4.) HRT frequently sterilizes trans people, but for those that remain fertile, some countries have enforced sterilization. \n5.) Step right up and watch Texas investigate the parents of trans kids for child abuse using CPS..\nYou don’t need to even meet all the qualifications of genocide for it to BE genocide. So any time I see a Democrat say “we need to say, ‘fuck trans people, we need to focus on more important things’, I say:\nHow will history judge you for standing aside and letting this happen? Will they understand in fifty years why you had to let one of our most vulnerable minority groups be fed to the wolves to pass a legislative agenda? In a hundred?", ">\n\nNo I understand all that let me be clear, I am addressing the title of the article. I don't think addressing the transphobia of poor black people should come before addressing the material inequality that black people are subjected to. If we address these issues first then what will follow is a more educated and empathetic people. Right now people are experiencing food and housing insecurity or at the very the threat of this. Wages are stagnant, and the police state is growing in it's power and reach while being routinely championed by media. A lot of Americans do not have the time, education, or luxury to worry about a virtually invisible minority. I agree that conservatives are monsters but articles like this just exist to divide us. \nI am not saying we should not be using the law to protect people, I agree with this. I just don't think we need neo liberal articles trying to point fingers at an already marginalized group of people and saying they are part of the problem.", ">\n\nI agree that we need to address material inequality over the feelings of a demographic.\nI just also believe that the “virtually invisible minority” needs to be saved from the opposition’s efforts to kill them all. Of course, as a trans person myself, I vote Democrat. If the Republican Party platform was pro-trans (somehow) and they still held all their current positions otherwise, I would still vote Democrat, because opposition to the science of climate change, systemic inequality, racism, xenophobia, and rampant narcissism are still not qualities I look for in a leader.\nTL;DR version: article is garbage trying to fan the flames of contention, hurting trans people is GOP priority #1 and I wish Democrats would stand with us the way we stand with them.", ">\n\nMaybe the real goal should be to try not to fit all Black Democrats or all Black people into boxes. The word monolith gets tossed around a lot as a bad thing, and it is, but it still seems to be the thing pollsters try to create and pretend that they have identified.", ">\n\nSure, but that isn’t an exclusively black democrat or black people problem. Society puts people into boxes all the time I.e. conservatives are xyz, democrats are xyz, white America has an xyz problem, etc.", ">\n\nThis seems like it should be the #1 priority in messaging. Draw parallels between minority issues and gay rights. Introduce your gay selves to black people so they can see you're not that different.\nFixing this now would be ideal.", ">\n\nAs a very liberal black person, let me just say: duh", ">\n\nIsn’t the black community known for being pretty homophobic in general? I thought that was common knowledge?", ">\n\nBig difference between personal morality and wanting to impose your religious values on everyone else through government. Black Christians fundamentally understand tolerance doesn't necessarily mean approval. That's a level of maturity the far right and far left haven't achieved.", ">\n\nThose last two sentences need to be said waaaay more", ">\n\nBlack Americans sre Christians, the great enigma.", ">\n\nMany younger ones are not as religious as their parents.", ">\n\nHomophobia in the black community? Stoppp", ">\n\nIf Republican’s were not openly racist at least 1/2 of African Americans would vote for them. But Republicans would lose 2/3’s of whites who would start voting by class, so Republican’s cultivate and maintain racist values in the party.", ">\n\nOf course they do. Uneducated black people and uneducated white people are the same. Skin color plays no role. Bigoted regressive views are to be expected.", ">\n\nIt's not surprising. The monolithic portion of the black community in the US is rife with toxic masculinity.\nThat's sad is that all those Trans people really just want to exist. Imagine the pettiness required to say to someone \"You can't do this thing that will help make you whole because I don't feel like having to think about it.\".\nBut that war's already lost. Trans acceptance is only going to increase, and eventually it'll be mundane, and people will look back and wonder why people were so backward.", ">\n\nThis is because the black community is more religious feels that the black family unit has taken serious damage from the War in Drugs, Mass incarceration, Systemic racism etc.\nThis is coming from an entirely different place than what we are seeing in the GOP, and is not necessarily indicative of the same anti-LGBTQ+ bullshit that is taking place on that side of the isle.\nHowever, the black community will continue to support democrats for the time being, because the overwhelming consensus is that the brand of conservatism that is currently ruling the GOP is the main threat that has hurt them in the first place for decades.", ">\n\nIt's also indiscriminate, no matter what sides Black Americans fall on there's something that party has done to make their lives worse.", ">\n\nThere is a fault line within the Democratic party. Black democrats are ready to split not just on transgender issues but also inclusivity of other minorities.\nSome of the chief plaintiffs in the affirmative action case before the SC are Asian Americans, not because they opposed Black students getting extra points compared to White students but because Asian students had admission points deducted from them for being Asian. There are deep fissures between Jewish Americans and African Americans as well. \nA decent candidate running on black liberation theology could easily spoil a democratic presidency in 2024.", ">\n\nHoly shit this is pure uncut hopium. \nDifference in opinion and attitudes isn’t a sign of impending conflict. Hell, even if it were, it really speaks to how much those voting blocks hate Republicans. \nI know, I know, I know, Kanye could do it or whatever, it’s ok.", ">\n\nDo you really think the long standing issues between these minority groups is really due to a difference of opinion? A Farrakhan type or endorsed candidate could easily spoil a tight election in 2024. They would likely need less than 2 percent of the vote in certain swing states. Biden already has declining approval among Black Americans. The bifurcated American Politics of \"Left vs. Right\" doesn't reflect reality.", ">\n\nIt reflects election results though. \nEvery voting block could break itself into atomized parties. You simultaneously believe these voting blocks don’t know their party doesn’t represent their objectives to the degree they would like. While also, believing these voters would form a new party when they realize that? \nYou’re just wish-casting a scenario where Kanye is politically viable. You can present it in the most mealy mouthed way possible, it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting at.", ">\n\nI'm not and zero. Index funds only for this guy.", ">\n\nAh so you don't even yield to the pretense of being okay with gay people", ">\n\nWhat are you talking about? I'm a gay man.", ">\n\nI'm a white male democrat in the south. I think sex is assigned at birth but gender is a social construct. Someone can be genetically male but feel like a female and it doesn't hurt me to call them her if that's what she wants to be called. It takes zero effort to be kind. \nNow the whole sports issue is valid imo but Republicans use it on bad faith arguments. The issue is complicated but just call people what they want to be called. It's not hard.", ">\n\nThere’s a difference between call people what they want and hate speech laws though. And that’s not even close to where the political issue stops.", ">\n\nWhat are you even on about. I'm talking about day to day interactions with trans people. I don't think I said anything wrong?", ">\n\nI don’t think you said anything wrong either. And i largely agree on the day to day interaction side. What I’m saying is that isn’t where any of this stops.", ">\n\nWell im 30 and just came out as gay to my first person. I just recently accepted it myself. So I'm still trying to learn and grow as a person. It's hard being from the deep south and not knowing any of this.", ">\n\nDont use this to divide. Most of you regardless of your background have deeply transphobic views. No community but our own is safe for us.", ">\n\nIs that a helpful comment, to accuse \"most\" of wholesale transphobia?", ">\n\nHow could you possibly come to the conclusion that the purpose of this poll is \"to try to invalidate trans identities\"?", ">\n\nIt's almost like they have larger issues to deal with...", ">\n\nyep, gop could 100% steal most of the black vote if they weren't racists", ">\n\nChristianity is a regressive force.", ">\n\ntruth", ">\n\nGood thing there’s no poor white people. Otherwise they could use this excuse too", ">\n\nI'll bet poor white people don't give af about pronouns either..", ">\n\nThat’s the point - it’s not an excuse…\nJust like being poor isn’t an excuse for being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc", ">\n\nWe see this play out regularly in Democratic primaries every four years. The Republican's social conservatism is extreme. Sometimes they make a half-hearted effort to appeal to black religious conservatives. They get very poor results. However, if Democrats nominate a white social liberal, black turnout could suffer. I hope we are spared an ugly future fight between Kamala Harris and someone like Buttigieg. The nominating process is too often a popularity contest. Democrats need to nominate someone who can win a general election. If you happen to like the strongest general election candidate, great. If we nominate the weaker candidate because they are more \"likeable,\" they will often lose a general election to the Republican.\nEdit: If you don't understand nuance, I need to state--This is only an opinion. It does not mean I like it.", ">\n\nI too hope Kamala and Pete are not our only options.", ">\n\nThe names were only used as an example. I fear that the primary voters will find a way to fuck it up, regardless of the candidates.", ">\n\nLet’s remember that Biden has been pretty clear in his support of trans people and was chosen by conservative black voters in SC. People are capable of choosing people they mostly agree with or think will be a good leader even if they don’t agree on all issues. I disagree with Biden on tons of stuff and did not vote for him in the primary, but he has been a very effective president. What this poll shows is that a lot of education is needed in all the communities surveyed and that will take time.", ">\n\nWhat a shock black people can be bigots too no matter how much they try and claim they can't be because of oppression.", ">\n\nYou cannot demand equality when it comes to race and and ethnicity and at the same time discriminate when it comes to sexual preference and identity. At least not if you're an honest, respectable person with integrity.", ">\n\nyou use 'can' in a descriptive way, I use it in a normative way", ">\n\nI see A LOT of white people talking about black folks in here.\nAnd there are A LOT of ASSUMPTIONS and GENERALIZATIONS too.\nSmh", ">\n\nHow exactly do you see a lot of skin color in an online forum with anonymous usernames and no avatars or personal photos?", ">\n\nMaybe I should correct myself and say a lot of NON BLACK people.\nI think it's pretty clear based on how people are speaking here.... \nBlack people are not some monolith group that can be categorized as such. We're ALL individuals with our own beliefs, values, and experiences.\nYet, I'm reading comments here saying \" Well no surprise, black people are pretty religious\".\" Black people are very socially conservative.\" \" Black people would vote Republican if it weren't obvious that they hated them\" ETC.\nExcuse me but wtf? To me at least as an obvious black person who isn't afraid to share their racial identity in this space, I know EXACTLY how non black people talk about us. Black people never generalize the group or other blacks like what's being said here.\nThe reality is most Black people are just as varied and diverse as anyone else in reality. And these generalizations aren't the answer at all.\nThe real answer to this question is that gender isn't a social construct, it's a reality. Blacks, having experienced 400 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow, having literally everything else as far as identity taken away from them KNOW this is fact. \nA man is a man and a woman is a woman no matter how you slice it. And there are natural differences within them both physiological and psychological and that is just the very genetic essence of the species.... (Yeah hermaphrodites exist but they are anomalies of nature that often die off fast and are infertile).\nWith that said, everyone can choose to do whatever and live life the way they want socially. But that doesn't change reality itself. And I think that's where A LOT of others get things mixed up.\nNow why is any of this relevant to me? Because I'm an agnostic and socially liberal black person, yet I still hold this belief despite it being considered \"conservative\" by folks here. And I'm FAR from the only black person who has commented here that breaks the highly upvoted generalization commented in this sub.\nAnd no, I have no interest in making legislation to hurt anyone. And to even see any comments even suggesting this idea, totally disregarding the history of American blacks as a suppressed and disenfranchised group is disgusting and laughable. \nThe vast majority of black folks, regardless of how religious or not or how liberal or conservative have absolutely no interest in hurting other people through legislation.....Come on...\nThere is so much groupthink here that any time that something doesn't fall in line with how people are TOLD to view things, that it's immediately viewed as a negative or a problem instead of what it really is, just a difference....", ">\n\nUnderstood. I see what you mean in that case. It’s very similar to those who commented on the midterms about the Hispanic/Mexican/Cuban voting bloc and how there is a Republican shift happening. But instead of looking at the voting results they attempted to make correlations with cause.", ">\n\nYet, Black people vote for Dems at higher rates than any other race. I’d say surveyors and pollsters might need to update their methodology.", ">\n\nPeople can believe this and not vote to discriminate against LBGTQ people.", ">\n\nI never understood how people can get so wrapped up in semantics. \nWe previously used sex and gender interchangeably, which wasn't really correct. Now, the two words are finally being used in the correct way: One is biological XX/XY and the other is a social definition. \nIt's as simple as that. JFC. Neither me or any of my liberal friends have any difficulty over this or are offended in any manner by saying there is a biological chromosomal sex difference. IT IS annoying when (predominantly right wing) people interchange the two words out of ignorance and then berate us for it. Yes, there can be many genders. No, there is only two sexes. Get over it. Stop your BS, dog whistle, victim mentality, fake culture war.", ">\n\nIt says Sex on my drivers license but people still want to put whatever letter they want. It’s not at all as simple as that.", ">\n\nThis is framing it wrong.\nThe better question is: why do you care?", ">\n\nWhy do you care is one of the most annoying arguments used in politics today", ">\n\nExactly. (Ask melania trump.)", ">\n\nQuestion, what is the breakdown of demographics by age of these black democrats? Are young black people more or less likely to be democrats / independents / or republicans? That was my immediate question, but i am also curious if black democrats support or oppose complete bans on transgender people. My assumption are that black democrats are a) older than other democrats (and thus more likely to be influenced by religion and prior social norms) b) more socially conservative c) disenfranchised (to the point that democratic messaging about transgender people directed towards them is non-existent).", ">\n\nNot really that surprising.\nBlack culture is still fairly unaccepting of LGBT as a whole (*In America), it's an ongoing cultural issue that's slowly changing but will take time. \nIn reality if Republicans put some actual effort into not fucking over black communities for a generation they'd probably be more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.", ">\n\nFirst world problems lol", ">\n\nI think we need to have the conversation that is 100% not anyone's business except the individual as to how they describe themselves. Of course, we need to have the conversation with the individual that gender at birth matters for health reasons of course but otherwise gender is a social construct except for reasons of biology.\nThe fact we even have to be concerned with \"rights\" for those who consider themselves transgender shows that there are a lot of people out there who feel they have rights to how others besides themselves label themselves. This is a sad state of affairs and little more than people trying to control the experiences of others outside themselves.", ">\n\nSeems like a pretty broad statement to make based on only a small sunset surveyed.", ">\n\nBlack peoples position on abortions for trans people in Taiwan (not China) ...... Ya I'm not touching that topic with a 10.5ft pole", ">\n\nInteresting result and in some cases they will go main stream", ">\n\nPeople have a right to vote in what they think is correct and agreeable to their values.", ">\n\nTbh all this article has shown me is fuck Republicans.", ">\n\nThis will probably not get noticed, but there is something wrong with that first chart. No way White is 72% while Rep is only 13%. And you can’t get majority of total saying it’s birth gender when the breakdown of race shows all but black show indicating gender can change.", ">\n\nThis is not new information, anyone who’s spent time around black democrats or black people and general will realize this", ">\n\nAh, makes sense why conservatives are going so hard on this issue lately. It plays well with their base and they are desperate to break up the black voting bloc to have a better chance in future elections.", ">\n\nThis is why it’s unsurprising that the democrats are losing black voters to the GOP (although not a lot overall) at a faster and faster rate as the GOP reverts to LGBT issues as their primary wedge issue.\nBlack communities overall are conservative and religious. The only reason they vote Democrat largely is because of the fact that the GOP is full of out and proud racists. That’s it. If the GOP dropped racism from their platform, a large section of the black community would vote GOP within 10 years", ">\n\nThis is well known to most except for the most liberal of white Dems. They think civil rights are a monolith and a unifying cause for all blue voters.\nIt’s not at all. Not all people of color are that one girl from your class in college. There are many many regressive views held in these communities and as a party, the Dems realize this.\nHence no progressive nominee for president.", ">\n\nOh wow, what a revelation. Democrats disagree, when Democrats have always disagreed. The Republicans are the Party of the wealthy and well connected mono thought. The Democrats are everyone else, so of course they disagree. As Will Rogers once remarked, \"I'm not a member of any organized political Party, I'm a Democrat!", ">\n\nBut they want the same progressive gains that gay people largely worked for on their own, and at the same time they badmouth gay and lesbian people they sure are happy to take our money whenever it comes to county programs and services funded by taxpayers, and we gay people do pay taxes. \nI’ve had to get on board by supporting everyone. I’ve heard many, many times from non-gay black people that I as a Native American gay woman am ‘dead weight’ because I can’t do anything for them politically. \nI’m sick of being treated like this and at the same time being forced to respect people who often don’t feel that’s a two way street. You want to reap the benefits of our work then suit up, show up & treat us with the same dignity and respect you’d expect to receive.", ">\n\nWhat’s really frustrating is that a lot of the most vocal support for gay/ trans rights has come from black members of that community because they KNOW THE SCORE. They see what it takes firsthand but so many of the rest of the black community is so deep in religion that there’s no way out for these social issues.", ">\n\nWell yeah no shit. Black people get robbed of good education in this country and shit education makes people socially conservative.", ">\n\nAre you saying that black people are dumb?", ">\n\nNo? Can you engage with what I said without trying to strawman me to make me look bad?\nThe lower level of education someone has, the more statistically likely they are to be queerphobic. Black people historically have way less access to education in this country. It's a very simple set of correlations." ]

[ "They also tend to be more religious, as well. Are we shocked or surprised by this? Is this unknown information?", ">\n\nI'm not. This is well documentated, they tend to be more religous and socially conservative than other democrats. They also oppose abortion at a higher rate.", ">\n\n\nsocially conservative than other democrats.\n\nAnd I suspect its because Black people overwhelmingly break for Democrats. Where a white conservative person would typically vote for a Republican, the Black Conservative person may STILL vote Democrat due to the rampant racism apparent in the Republican party. \nIn other words, Black people aren't more conservative as a whole, they are just more Conservative when only looking at Democrats. (I would love to see actual data to back up this suspicion of mine)", ">\n\nIt's unlikely to be identical, since racial inequality leads to different racial balances among groups like academia and rural labor that tend to heavily influence political leanings. \nEither way, the reality is that the Republicans could pick up more votes by shifting to oppose racism but favor religious discrimination more highly.", ">\n\nBut then they’d lose the votes of the poor whites who don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy but do care about racism. So would it really be a net gain in votes?", ">\n\nThe trick is, most of those people also favor religious discrimination.", ">\n\nBut how many of them care about religious discrimination more than racial discrimination? It can’t be all of them.", ">\n\n.... a lot of them. It's not ok to say racist shit in polite company but it's absolutely OK to most people in most situations to say if people don't accept Jesus they'll rot in Hell.", ">\n\nNot really surprising if a person has spent any time hanging out with Black Democrats, or just a lot of Black people in general. Worth pointing out though that imho you’d have seen these same results probably if you asked about marriage equality 15 years ago.", ">\n\nI remember reading exactly this about marriage equality 15 years ago. If I recall correctly, most demographic groups had kind of the same breakdown as far as for/against, except Jewish people skewed heavily in favor of marriage equality and black people skewed against marriage equality. I was kind of surprised at the black part back then, but it made me not surprised at this headline today.", ">\n\nTrust me, not all other non-black democrats have the same views on this stuff either.", ">\n\nBut does that translate into them wanting to legislate it", ">\n\n\\^This. Personal beliefs don't always translate into policy preferences. White evangelicals are the group that seems most likely to just treat it as a given that their individual religious beliefs NEED to be codified into law.", ">\n\nYep.\nTheres a difference between being uncomfortable with something, thinking its strange, thinking its not in line with your beliefs etc and actively wanting the law to get involved.", ">\n\nAs a black person, particularly an atheist city-dweller, this is where I experience the greatest schism with my own community. In my mind, there are precisely zero differences between our own struggles for civil rights and those of the LBGTQ community. We should be holding hands in our fights against marginalization, not flirting with religiosity and conservative politics.\nI think it's a shame that black people cling to the white man's religion in the first place, but to follow it to the extent that you can't identify with those suffering right alongside you... Especially when the Black gay community is so fucking inventive and imitated (house music, fashion trends, slang, etc...), you'd think there'd be more acceptance.", ">\n\nI’d like your opinion on something I can’t quite fully wrap my head around. \nI’m also athiest, and pretty far on the progressive side of things generally. I fully support equality for the LBGTQ community. \nI’ve tried asking this question before and just get immediately slammed as a right wing shill. But I have a decade of comments people can check to be sure that’s not the case. \nI truly want to be an ally for trans people. I ask this question so that I can confidently support the community. \nIn your mind, is it different for someone born with XY chromosomes and male body parts to identify as a woman than a white girl like Rachel Dolezal to identify as black?\nI have a very hard time differentiating between those two scenarios and thought maybe you could help me out.", ">\n\nSee? This is the only answer I ever get. \nI’m being 100% authentic. If someone can’t lay out an answer for someone literally begging to be on the correct side of things, how do you expect to have this conversation with someone who is resistant to the idea? \nThere is no trap. Just try to answer the question clearly. \nTo me it’s a hard one and I’d like an answer that makes sense.", ">\n\nr/onejoke moment lol", ">\n\nHow do I talk to my bigoted uncles when they say this? I sincerely can’t get any help on the topic because all I get are empty YOU’RE JUST WRONG replies. \nI suspect it’s because you don’t have an answer to the question and are just as confused about it as I am but you don’t want to admit it. \nPlease prove me wrong.", ">\n\nDude, it’s in like every basic college text on the science of gender now - not only the answer you were given about brain structure, there are tons of other rare chromosomal configurations that give rise to mixtures of sex characteristics that combine typical male or female characteristics in various ways - not to mention intersex people exist who are born with genitals that aren’t clearly a penis or a vulva. On top of all of this you have tons of sociological research and studies, and queer theory, about the socialization of gender norms, the way they vary wildly across cultures, and shift over time in the same cultures - leading one to realize that gender expression is, for the most part, performative - through fashion choices and communication styles, and not related to one’s sex characteristics so much as their socialization. As such people have every right to express their gender however they feel like. Just do your own homework and read a chapter from a gender studies textbook. It’ll take you an hour at most.\nThat is, if you actually care that much about the topic as you seem to.", ">\n\nNot really shocking. The black community has historically been less accepting of the LGBTQ community. I think this has a lot to do with the role religion plays in much of the community", ">\n\nReligion is just a factor, if anything it’s just a portion of the trauma black Americans still suffer from due to slavery which contributes to current homophobia. I say this because even in non-religious black households (post black boomers) there’s still a high level of anti-LGBT rhetoric. (Side note: these non-religious black households I speak of also make more than 75k per year where I’m at so it could also be a socioeconomic “keeping up with the jones” thing as well)", ">\n\nWhat's the impetus for that anti-LGBTQ sentiment absent religion?", ">\n\nA lot of black people would vote Republican if Republicans weren’t intentionally and obviously anti-black.", ">\n\nRepublicans aren’t anti black, they just don’t kiss their ass like the Dems do", ">\n\nCome to the south lol. They hate us", ">\n\nFor real. I am a white guy living in the south. The absolutely vile shit that I’ve heard over the years because they think I’m “safe” is insane.", ">\n\nMy dad had a conversation with the sheriff of a local county who wouldn't stop saying the N word. It was clear he felt he was \"safe\". People still hold these beliefs they just keep quiet until they get alone with someone they think thinks the same things they do.", ">\n\nWhenever people assume black people are very progressive I just think they don’t actually know that many black people.", ">\n\nI get why politicians lean in to the trans issue in a negative way, because it’s a hot-button topic that whips up a base. What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit whether or not someone else identifies as a different gender. What’s the problem here? It took all of 10 minutes of googling to understand that I’m a white cis male, and that other people may or may not identify as such. Boom. Done. I learned something new and now other people hopefully feel more comfortable around me. Why is denying trans rights a hill that so many people are willing to die on?!", ">\n\nThe reason it’s an issue is because it affects public policy about access to things based upon gender. It also significantly affects how this stuff is talked about with kids and supersedes parenting in many cases. It affects parents who would rather their kids think that gender is not selectable when you have a public school curriculum that is fine with telling them it is, people who don’t like transgender people get upset because it’s affecting the control they have over their families, upbringing and values.", ">\n\nIt likely is having very little effect on their families and I imagine few of them are actually exposed to it with any kind of regularity. Rather, they hear that it's some sort of big deal from Fox News and others and so they believe it.\nTransgender people in women's sports? There are only a handful of instances of this being an issue across the entire country.\nPublic school curriculum? In most places will have absolutely zero lessons regarding this topic.", ">\n\nYou’re describing things that are currently changing. There is far more than a handful of women in men’s sports in high schools. I don’t really care about that issue. A huge portion of trans rights is having trans representation in sex education. As there should be, if society is to be respectful to this. So what you’re currently describing is the state of affairs that the success of trans rights and gender fluidity recognition intends to change. The conservative reaction is to that.", ">\n\n\nThe conservative reaction is to that.\n\nThe conservative reaction is to trans people existing. American conservatives have been fighting a culture war since 1960, continuously, and they just mad lib in words from today. The actual target doesn't really matter. What matters is that there is a target.", ">\n\nI’m referring to all the news stories that have come up in the past two years about trans people.", ">\n\nYes you're right, there are a great many of overblown fear-mongering articles about trans folks coming out lately. As the poster above you said: there needs to be a target for hate, doesn't matter who.", ">\n\nYes, welcome to the past 30 years of LGBT electoral politics.", ">\n\nThere’s a ton of homophobic and transphobia in the black community and it’s weird it’s not brought up more often", ">\n\nYes. Black trans women are the most targeted minority there is. \nYou’d think always being a target of bigotry and hate, that you wouldn’t pass that on.", ">\n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n-Lyndon B. Johnson\nReplace white with black and 'colored' with Trans and you got a new working recipe. Nobody is immune to prejudice, its just with black people the irony is extremely noticable. Theres no reason black people wouldn't be susceptable to the same ploy as white people.", ">\n\nTrue.", ">\n\nSomething like 90 percent of black people vote Democrat compared to something like 40 percent of white people.\nIf you compare 90 percent of any population to the most liberal 40 percent of any other population it'd be mind blowing if the larger group wasn't more conservative. \nThis is a bit like being dismayed to discover that 50 percent of school children have below average intelligence.", ">\n\nThis is like no shit Sherlock moment. It’s known that homophobia and transphobia is large in the black community so this would be reflected in the democratically elected people of that community. Like a problem sure but not a surprising one.", ">\n\nWork in healthcare. Almost all anti-vax staff (that I know of) were black. Especially the religious, older generation. \nI know there is a long historical reason for their believes but its still a noticable pattern.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. I live in a deep blue neighborhood with a lot of black and Hispanic individuals, and they generally don't get along with (or are neutral towards) the LGBTQ+ community. There's also a lot of \"anti race mixing\" type drama against interracial couples (like a black and white couple having a light-skinned black kid).\nThe younger 20-something ones are very far left, though. One young black man was going door to door supporting a petition for UBI and a $20/hour minimum wage in California that most people in the apartment complex I live in (including myself) signed, I had a really cool discussion with him (he put me on the idea of constitutionally guaranteed housing). It's mostly the older ones that are still center-right.", ">\n\nA lot of Black people are actually pretty socially conservative, my family included. Kind of ironic that Republicans could have a real untapped voting block if they weren't so vehemently dedicated to racist pandering.", ">\n\nYou mean the big tent party is not a monolith? 😱", ">\n\nWasn't there something unusual that happened in California regarding a proposition on gay marriage at the same time Obama was on the ballot that ties into this idea?", ">\n\nAnd shockingly, their personal opinions DONT carry so much hate with them, that they’re willing to vote against their own best interests to ensure we all know who they hate.\nGive me more groups of people who are uninterested in the coming and going’s of another group and are just willing to vote for the greater good, I’ll take that. \nPlenty of white democrat voters dont grasp the extent at which black people are still unfairly treated in the US. They still vote for the people who do, because ultimately… the greater good.\nHere is an alternate headline: Black Democrats overwhelmingly prove they’re willing to protect the rights of others, even when they admittedly don’t understand them.", ">\n\nThis. This right here exactly. Voting from spite seems to be unique to white conservatives.", ">\n\nUh yeah, democrats are a coalition, not really an ideology", ">\n\nI'll get down voted for this but who cares, this is not an important issue. We need to focus on class solidarity rather than culture war topics that effect .5% of the population. Yes it's transphobic , but these talking points are a smoke screen used to divide us proletariate against each other. Our wealth has been and continues to be stolen from us by the one percent. We are under constant class warfare and we fight amongst ourselves. First we need to raise the floor, and create a more egalitarian society: one in which there is equality of opportunity, one in which we have our basic needs met for, and one in which we earn our proper share of the wealth we create. Once we achieve these goals literacy, empathy, and cultural tolerance will floresh; but we need to focus on the fight that is in front of us that effects the majority, the proletariate, first.", ">\n\nI agree with the need for class solidarity. We need to desperately address wealth inequality and fight the rich. However, Republicans are committing genocide against transgender people. You might see that word in my previous sentence, “genocide”, and say to yourself, “she’s just being dramatic, the Republicans are just passing reasonable, common-sense medical restrictions on a fringe group of weirdos”. \nFrom the United Nations:\nIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:\n1.) Killing members of the group;\n2.) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;\n3.) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;\n4.) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;\n5.) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group\n——-\n1.) Transgender people are frequently murdered. \n2.) Transgender people are frequently “legislative refugees”, and are leaving deep red states as quick as they can (if they can afford to), while the laws dictating how old you can be to transition looks like they’re gonna aim to raise it from 21 to 26 this year. One such law is called the “Millstone Act”. That’s only gonna increase. \n3.) Red states don’t cover trans health care, leaving trans people poorer than cis people. \n4.) HRT frequently sterilizes trans people, but for those that remain fertile, some countries have enforced sterilization. \n5.) Step right up and watch Texas investigate the parents of trans kids for child abuse using CPS..\nYou don’t need to even meet all the qualifications of genocide for it to BE genocide. So any time I see a Democrat say “we need to say, ‘fuck trans people, we need to focus on more important things’, I say:\nHow will history judge you for standing aside and letting this happen? Will they understand in fifty years why you had to let one of our most vulnerable minority groups be fed to the wolves to pass a legislative agenda? In a hundred?", ">\n\nNo I understand all that let me be clear, I am addressing the title of the article. I don't think addressing the transphobia of poor black people should come before addressing the material inequality that black people are subjected to. If we address these issues first then what will follow is a more educated and empathetic people. Right now people are experiencing food and housing insecurity or at the very the threat of this. Wages are stagnant, and the police state is growing in it's power and reach while being routinely championed by media. A lot of Americans do not have the time, education, or luxury to worry about a virtually invisible minority. I agree that conservatives are monsters but articles like this just exist to divide us. \nI am not saying we should not be using the law to protect people, I agree with this. I just don't think we need neo liberal articles trying to point fingers at an already marginalized group of people and saying they are part of the problem.", ">\n\nI agree that we need to address material inequality over the feelings of a demographic.\nI just also believe that the “virtually invisible minority” needs to be saved from the opposition’s efforts to kill them all. Of course, as a trans person myself, I vote Democrat. If the Republican Party platform was pro-trans (somehow) and they still held all their current positions otherwise, I would still vote Democrat, because opposition to the science of climate change, systemic inequality, racism, xenophobia, and rampant narcissism are still not qualities I look for in a leader.\nTL;DR version: article is garbage trying to fan the flames of contention, hurting trans people is GOP priority #1 and I wish Democrats would stand with us the way we stand with them.", ">\n\nMaybe the real goal should be to try not to fit all Black Democrats or all Black people into boxes. The word monolith gets tossed around a lot as a bad thing, and it is, but it still seems to be the thing pollsters try to create and pretend that they have identified.", ">\n\nSure, but that isn’t an exclusively black democrat or black people problem. Society puts people into boxes all the time I.e. conservatives are xyz, democrats are xyz, white America has an xyz problem, etc.", ">\n\nThis seems like it should be the #1 priority in messaging. Draw parallels between minority issues and gay rights. Introduce your gay selves to black people so they can see you're not that different.\nFixing this now would be ideal.", ">\n\nAs a very liberal black person, let me just say: duh", ">\n\nIsn’t the black community known for being pretty homophobic in general? I thought that was common knowledge?", ">\n\nBig difference between personal morality and wanting to impose your religious values on everyone else through government. Black Christians fundamentally understand tolerance doesn't necessarily mean approval. That's a level of maturity the far right and far left haven't achieved.", ">\n\nThose last two sentences need to be said waaaay more", ">\n\nBlack Americans sre Christians, the great enigma.", ">\n\nMany younger ones are not as religious as their parents.", ">\n\nHomophobia in the black community? Stoppp", ">\n\nIf Republican’s were not openly racist at least 1/2 of African Americans would vote for them. But Republicans would lose 2/3’s of whites who would start voting by class, so Republican’s cultivate and maintain racist values in the party.", ">\n\nOf course they do. Uneducated black people and uneducated white people are the same. Skin color plays no role. Bigoted regressive views are to be expected.", ">\n\nIt's not surprising. The monolithic portion of the black community in the US is rife with toxic masculinity.\nThat's sad is that all those Trans people really just want to exist. Imagine the pettiness required to say to someone \"You can't do this thing that will help make you whole because I don't feel like having to think about it.\".\nBut that war's already lost. Trans acceptance is only going to increase, and eventually it'll be mundane, and people will look back and wonder why people were so backward.", ">\n\nThis is because the black community is more religious feels that the black family unit has taken serious damage from the War in Drugs, Mass incarceration, Systemic racism etc.\nThis is coming from an entirely different place than what we are seeing in the GOP, and is not necessarily indicative of the same anti-LGBTQ+ bullshit that is taking place on that side of the isle.\nHowever, the black community will continue to support democrats for the time being, because the overwhelming consensus is that the brand of conservatism that is currently ruling the GOP is the main threat that has hurt them in the first place for decades.", ">\n\nIt's also indiscriminate, no matter what sides Black Americans fall on there's something that party has done to make their lives worse.", ">\n\nThere is a fault line within the Democratic party. Black democrats are ready to split not just on transgender issues but also inclusivity of other minorities.\nSome of the chief plaintiffs in the affirmative action case before the SC are Asian Americans, not because they opposed Black students getting extra points compared to White students but because Asian students had admission points deducted from them for being Asian. There are deep fissures between Jewish Americans and African Americans as well. \nA decent candidate running on black liberation theology could easily spoil a democratic presidency in 2024.", ">\n\nHoly shit this is pure uncut hopium. \nDifference in opinion and attitudes isn’t a sign of impending conflict. Hell, even if it were, it really speaks to how much those voting blocks hate Republicans. \nI know, I know, I know, Kanye could do it or whatever, it’s ok.", ">\n\nDo you really think the long standing issues between these minority groups is really due to a difference of opinion? A Farrakhan type or endorsed candidate could easily spoil a tight election in 2024. They would likely need less than 2 percent of the vote in certain swing states. Biden already has declining approval among Black Americans. The bifurcated American Politics of \"Left vs. Right\" doesn't reflect reality.", ">\n\nIt reflects election results though. \nEvery voting block could break itself into atomized parties. You simultaneously believe these voting blocks don’t know their party doesn’t represent their objectives to the degree they would like. While also, believing these voters would form a new party when they realize that? \nYou’re just wish-casting a scenario where Kanye is politically viable. You can present it in the most mealy mouthed way possible, it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting at.", ">\n\nI'm not and zero. Index funds only for this guy.", ">\n\nAh so you don't even yield to the pretense of being okay with gay people", ">\n\nWhat are you talking about? I'm a gay man.", ">\n\nI'm a white male democrat in the south. I think sex is assigned at birth but gender is a social construct. Someone can be genetically male but feel like a female and it doesn't hurt me to call them her if that's what she wants to be called. It takes zero effort to be kind. \nNow the whole sports issue is valid imo but Republicans use it on bad faith arguments. The issue is complicated but just call people what they want to be called. It's not hard.", ">\n\nThere’s a difference between call people what they want and hate speech laws though. And that’s not even close to where the political issue stops.", ">\n\nWhat are you even on about. I'm talking about day to day interactions with trans people. I don't think I said anything wrong?", ">\n\nI don’t think you said anything wrong either. And i largely agree on the day to day interaction side. What I’m saying is that isn’t where any of this stops.", ">\n\nWell im 30 and just came out as gay to my first person. I just recently accepted it myself. So I'm still trying to learn and grow as a person. It's hard being from the deep south and not knowing any of this.", ">\n\nDont use this to divide. Most of you regardless of your background have deeply transphobic views. No community but our own is safe for us.", ">\n\nIs that a helpful comment, to accuse \"most\" of wholesale transphobia?", ">\n\nHow could you possibly come to the conclusion that the purpose of this poll is \"to try to invalidate trans identities\"?", ">\n\nIt's almost like they have larger issues to deal with...", ">\n\nyep, gop could 100% steal most of the black vote if they weren't racists", ">\n\nChristianity is a regressive force.", ">\n\ntruth", ">\n\nGood thing there’s no poor white people. Otherwise they could use this excuse too", ">\n\nI'll bet poor white people don't give af about pronouns either..", ">\n\nThat’s the point - it’s not an excuse…\nJust like being poor isn’t an excuse for being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc", ">\n\nWe see this play out regularly in Democratic primaries every four years. The Republican's social conservatism is extreme. Sometimes they make a half-hearted effort to appeal to black religious conservatives. They get very poor results. However, if Democrats nominate a white social liberal, black turnout could suffer. I hope we are spared an ugly future fight between Kamala Harris and someone like Buttigieg. The nominating process is too often a popularity contest. Democrats need to nominate someone who can win a general election. If you happen to like the strongest general election candidate, great. If we nominate the weaker candidate because they are more \"likeable,\" they will often lose a general election to the Republican.\nEdit: If you don't understand nuance, I need to state--This is only an opinion. It does not mean I like it.", ">\n\nI too hope Kamala and Pete are not our only options.", ">\n\nThe names were only used as an example. I fear that the primary voters will find a way to fuck it up, regardless of the candidates.", ">\n\nLet’s remember that Biden has been pretty clear in his support of trans people and was chosen by conservative black voters in SC. People are capable of choosing people they mostly agree with or think will be a good leader even if they don’t agree on all issues. I disagree with Biden on tons of stuff and did not vote for him in the primary, but he has been a very effective president. What this poll shows is that a lot of education is needed in all the communities surveyed and that will take time.", ">\n\nWhat a shock black people can be bigots too no matter how much they try and claim they can't be because of oppression.", ">\n\nYou cannot demand equality when it comes to race and and ethnicity and at the same time discriminate when it comes to sexual preference and identity. At least not if you're an honest, respectable person with integrity.", ">\n\nyou use 'can' in a descriptive way, I use it in a normative way", ">\n\nI see A LOT of white people talking about black folks in here.\nAnd there are A LOT of ASSUMPTIONS and GENERALIZATIONS too.\nSmh", ">\n\nHow exactly do you see a lot of skin color in an online forum with anonymous usernames and no avatars or personal photos?", ">\n\nMaybe I should correct myself and say a lot of NON BLACK people.\nI think it's pretty clear based on how people are speaking here.... \nBlack people are not some monolith group that can be categorized as such. We're ALL individuals with our own beliefs, values, and experiences.\nYet, I'm reading comments here saying \" Well no surprise, black people are pretty religious\".\" Black people are very socially conservative.\" \" Black people would vote Republican if it weren't obvious that they hated them\" ETC.\nExcuse me but wtf? To me at least as an obvious black person who isn't afraid to share their racial identity in this space, I know EXACTLY how non black people talk about us. Black people never generalize the group or other blacks like what's being said here.\nThe reality is most Black people are just as varied and diverse as anyone else in reality. And these generalizations aren't the answer at all.\nThe real answer to this question is that gender isn't a social construct, it's a reality. Blacks, having experienced 400 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow, having literally everything else as far as identity taken away from them KNOW this is fact. \nA man is a man and a woman is a woman no matter how you slice it. And there are natural differences within them both physiological and psychological and that is just the very genetic essence of the species.... (Yeah hermaphrodites exist but they are anomalies of nature that often die off fast and are infertile).\nWith that said, everyone can choose to do whatever and live life the way they want socially. But that doesn't change reality itself. And I think that's where A LOT of others get things mixed up.\nNow why is any of this relevant to me? Because I'm an agnostic and socially liberal black person, yet I still hold this belief despite it being considered \"conservative\" by folks here. And I'm FAR from the only black person who has commented here that breaks the highly upvoted generalization commented in this sub.\nAnd no, I have no interest in making legislation to hurt anyone. And to even see any comments even suggesting this idea, totally disregarding the history of American blacks as a suppressed and disenfranchised group is disgusting and laughable. \nThe vast majority of black folks, regardless of how religious or not or how liberal or conservative have absolutely no interest in hurting other people through legislation.....Come on...\nThere is so much groupthink here that any time that something doesn't fall in line with how people are TOLD to view things, that it's immediately viewed as a negative or a problem instead of what it really is, just a difference....", ">\n\nUnderstood. I see what you mean in that case. It’s very similar to those who commented on the midterms about the Hispanic/Mexican/Cuban voting bloc and how there is a Republican shift happening. But instead of looking at the voting results they attempted to make correlations with cause.", ">\n\nYet, Black people vote for Dems at higher rates than any other race. I’d say surveyors and pollsters might need to update their methodology.", ">\n\nPeople can believe this and not vote to discriminate against LBGTQ people.", ">\n\nI never understood how people can get so wrapped up in semantics. \nWe previously used sex and gender interchangeably, which wasn't really correct. Now, the two words are finally being used in the correct way: One is biological XX/XY and the other is a social definition. \nIt's as simple as that. JFC. Neither me or any of my liberal friends have any difficulty over this or are offended in any manner by saying there is a biological chromosomal sex difference. IT IS annoying when (predominantly right wing) people interchange the two words out of ignorance and then berate us for it. Yes, there can be many genders. No, there is only two sexes. Get over it. Stop your BS, dog whistle, victim mentality, fake culture war.", ">\n\nIt says Sex on my drivers license but people still want to put whatever letter they want. It’s not at all as simple as that.", ">\n\nThis is framing it wrong.\nThe better question is: why do you care?", ">\n\nWhy do you care is one of the most annoying arguments used in politics today", ">\n\nExactly. (Ask melania trump.)", ">\n\nQuestion, what is the breakdown of demographics by age of these black democrats? Are young black people more or less likely to be democrats / independents / or republicans? That was my immediate question, but i am also curious if black democrats support or oppose complete bans on transgender people. My assumption are that black democrats are a) older than other democrats (and thus more likely to be influenced by religion and prior social norms) b) more socially conservative c) disenfranchised (to the point that democratic messaging about transgender people directed towards them is non-existent).", ">\n\nNot really that surprising.\nBlack culture is still fairly unaccepting of LGBT as a whole (*In America), it's an ongoing cultural issue that's slowly changing but will take time. \nIn reality if Republicans put some actual effort into not fucking over black communities for a generation they'd probably be more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.", ">\n\nFirst world problems lol", ">\n\nI think we need to have the conversation that is 100% not anyone's business except the individual as to how they describe themselves. Of course, we need to have the conversation with the individual that gender at birth matters for health reasons of course but otherwise gender is a social construct except for reasons of biology.\nThe fact we even have to be concerned with \"rights\" for those who consider themselves transgender shows that there are a lot of people out there who feel they have rights to how others besides themselves label themselves. This is a sad state of affairs and little more than people trying to control the experiences of others outside themselves.", ">\n\nSeems like a pretty broad statement to make based on only a small sunset surveyed.", ">\n\nBlack peoples position on abortions for trans people in Taiwan (not China) ...... Ya I'm not touching that topic with a 10.5ft pole", ">\n\nInteresting result and in some cases they will go main stream", ">\n\nPeople have a right to vote in what they think is correct and agreeable to their values.", ">\n\nTbh all this article has shown me is fuck Republicans.", ">\n\nThis will probably not get noticed, but there is something wrong with that first chart. No way White is 72% while Rep is only 13%. And you can’t get majority of total saying it’s birth gender when the breakdown of race shows all but black show indicating gender can change.", ">\n\nThis is not new information, anyone who’s spent time around black democrats or black people and general will realize this", ">\n\nAh, makes sense why conservatives are going so hard on this issue lately. It plays well with their base and they are desperate to break up the black voting bloc to have a better chance in future elections.", ">\n\nThis is why it’s unsurprising that the democrats are losing black voters to the GOP (although not a lot overall) at a faster and faster rate as the GOP reverts to LGBT issues as their primary wedge issue.\nBlack communities overall are conservative and religious. The only reason they vote Democrat largely is because of the fact that the GOP is full of out and proud racists. That’s it. If the GOP dropped racism from their platform, a large section of the black community would vote GOP within 10 years", ">\n\nThis is well known to most except for the most liberal of white Dems. They think civil rights are a monolith and a unifying cause for all blue voters.\nIt’s not at all. Not all people of color are that one girl from your class in college. There are many many regressive views held in these communities and as a party, the Dems realize this.\nHence no progressive nominee for president.", ">\n\nOh wow, what a revelation. Democrats disagree, when Democrats have always disagreed. The Republicans are the Party of the wealthy and well connected mono thought. The Democrats are everyone else, so of course they disagree. As Will Rogers once remarked, \"I'm not a member of any organized political Party, I'm a Democrat!", ">\n\nBut they want the same progressive gains that gay people largely worked for on their own, and at the same time they badmouth gay and lesbian people they sure are happy to take our money whenever it comes to county programs and services funded by taxpayers, and we gay people do pay taxes. \nI’ve had to get on board by supporting everyone. I’ve heard many, many times from non-gay black people that I as a Native American gay woman am ‘dead weight’ because I can’t do anything for them politically. \nI’m sick of being treated like this and at the same time being forced to respect people who often don’t feel that’s a two way street. You want to reap the benefits of our work then suit up, show up & treat us with the same dignity and respect you’d expect to receive.", ">\n\nWhat’s really frustrating is that a lot of the most vocal support for gay/ trans rights has come from black members of that community because they KNOW THE SCORE. They see what it takes firsthand but so many of the rest of the black community is so deep in religion that there’s no way out for these social issues.", ">\n\nWell yeah no shit. Black people get robbed of good education in this country and shit education makes people socially conservative.", ">\n\nAre you saying that black people are dumb?", ">\n\nNo? Can you engage with what I said without trying to strawman me to make me look bad?\nThe lower level of education someone has, the more statistically likely they are to be queerphobic. Black people historically have way less access to education in this country. It's a very simple set of correlations.", ">\n\nReligion is why. Always been the case." ]

[ "They also tend to be more religious, as well. Are we shocked or surprised by this? Is this unknown information?", ">\n\nI'm not. This is well documentated, they tend to be more religous and socially conservative than other democrats. They also oppose abortion at a higher rate.", ">\n\n\nsocially conservative than other democrats.\n\nAnd I suspect its because Black people overwhelmingly break for Democrats. Where a white conservative person would typically vote for a Republican, the Black Conservative person may STILL vote Democrat due to the rampant racism apparent in the Republican party. \nIn other words, Black people aren't more conservative as a whole, they are just more Conservative when only looking at Democrats. (I would love to see actual data to back up this suspicion of mine)", ">\n\nIt's unlikely to be identical, since racial inequality leads to different racial balances among groups like academia and rural labor that tend to heavily influence political leanings. \nEither way, the reality is that the Republicans could pick up more votes by shifting to oppose racism but favor religious discrimination more highly.", ">\n\nBut then they’d lose the votes of the poor whites who don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy but do care about racism. So would it really be a net gain in votes?", ">\n\nThe trick is, most of those people also favor religious discrimination.", ">\n\nBut how many of them care about religious discrimination more than racial discrimination? It can’t be all of them.", ">\n\n.... a lot of them. It's not ok to say racist shit in polite company but it's absolutely OK to most people in most situations to say if people don't accept Jesus they'll rot in Hell.", ">\n\nNot really surprising if a person has spent any time hanging out with Black Democrats, or just a lot of Black people in general. Worth pointing out though that imho you’d have seen these same results probably if you asked about marriage equality 15 years ago.", ">\n\nI remember reading exactly this about marriage equality 15 years ago. If I recall correctly, most demographic groups had kind of the same breakdown as far as for/against, except Jewish people skewed heavily in favor of marriage equality and black people skewed against marriage equality. I was kind of surprised at the black part back then, but it made me not surprised at this headline today.", ">\n\nTrust me, not all other non-black democrats have the same views on this stuff either.", ">\n\nBut does that translate into them wanting to legislate it", ">\n\n\\^This. Personal beliefs don't always translate into policy preferences. White evangelicals are the group that seems most likely to just treat it as a given that their individual religious beliefs NEED to be codified into law.", ">\n\nYep.\nTheres a difference between being uncomfortable with something, thinking its strange, thinking its not in line with your beliefs etc and actively wanting the law to get involved.", ">\n\nAs a black person, particularly an atheist city-dweller, this is where I experience the greatest schism with my own community. In my mind, there are precisely zero differences between our own struggles for civil rights and those of the LBGTQ community. We should be holding hands in our fights against marginalization, not flirting with religiosity and conservative politics.\nI think it's a shame that black people cling to the white man's religion in the first place, but to follow it to the extent that you can't identify with those suffering right alongside you... Especially when the Black gay community is so fucking inventive and imitated (house music, fashion trends, slang, etc...), you'd think there'd be more acceptance.", ">\n\nI’d like your opinion on something I can’t quite fully wrap my head around. \nI’m also athiest, and pretty far on the progressive side of things generally. I fully support equality for the LBGTQ community. \nI’ve tried asking this question before and just get immediately slammed as a right wing shill. But I have a decade of comments people can check to be sure that’s not the case. \nI truly want to be an ally for trans people. I ask this question so that I can confidently support the community. \nIn your mind, is it different for someone born with XY chromosomes and male body parts to identify as a woman than a white girl like Rachel Dolezal to identify as black?\nI have a very hard time differentiating between those two scenarios and thought maybe you could help me out.", ">\n\nSee? This is the only answer I ever get. \nI’m being 100% authentic. If someone can’t lay out an answer for someone literally begging to be on the correct side of things, how do you expect to have this conversation with someone who is resistant to the idea? \nThere is no trap. Just try to answer the question clearly. \nTo me it’s a hard one and I’d like an answer that makes sense.", ">\n\nr/onejoke moment lol", ">\n\nHow do I talk to my bigoted uncles when they say this? I sincerely can’t get any help on the topic because all I get are empty YOU’RE JUST WRONG replies. \nI suspect it’s because you don’t have an answer to the question and are just as confused about it as I am but you don’t want to admit it. \nPlease prove me wrong.", ">\n\nDude, it’s in like every basic college text on the science of gender now - not only the answer you were given about brain structure, there are tons of other rare chromosomal configurations that give rise to mixtures of sex characteristics that combine typical male or female characteristics in various ways - not to mention intersex people exist who are born with genitals that aren’t clearly a penis or a vulva. On top of all of this you have tons of sociological research and studies, and queer theory, about the socialization of gender norms, the way they vary wildly across cultures, and shift over time in the same cultures - leading one to realize that gender expression is, for the most part, performative - through fashion choices and communication styles, and not related to one’s sex characteristics so much as their socialization. As such people have every right to express their gender however they feel like. Just do your own homework and read a chapter from a gender studies textbook. It’ll take you an hour at most.\nThat is, if you actually care that much about the topic as you seem to.", ">\n\nNot really shocking. The black community has historically been less accepting of the LGBTQ community. I think this has a lot to do with the role religion plays in much of the community", ">\n\nReligion is just a factor, if anything it’s just a portion of the trauma black Americans still suffer from due to slavery which contributes to current homophobia. I say this because even in non-religious black households (post black boomers) there’s still a high level of anti-LGBT rhetoric. (Side note: these non-religious black households I speak of also make more than 75k per year where I’m at so it could also be a socioeconomic “keeping up with the jones” thing as well)", ">\n\nWhat's the impetus for that anti-LGBTQ sentiment absent religion?", ">\n\nA lot of black people would vote Republican if Republicans weren’t intentionally and obviously anti-black.", ">\n\nRepublicans aren’t anti black, they just don’t kiss their ass like the Dems do", ">\n\nCome to the south lol. They hate us", ">\n\nFor real. I am a white guy living in the south. The absolutely vile shit that I’ve heard over the years because they think I’m “safe” is insane.", ">\n\nMy dad had a conversation with the sheriff of a local county who wouldn't stop saying the N word. It was clear he felt he was \"safe\". People still hold these beliefs they just keep quiet until they get alone with someone they think thinks the same things they do.", ">\n\nWhenever people assume black people are very progressive I just think they don’t actually know that many black people.", ">\n\nI get why politicians lean in to the trans issue in a negative way, because it’s a hot-button topic that whips up a base. What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit whether or not someone else identifies as a different gender. What’s the problem here? It took all of 10 minutes of googling to understand that I’m a white cis male, and that other people may or may not identify as such. Boom. Done. I learned something new and now other people hopefully feel more comfortable around me. Why is denying trans rights a hill that so many people are willing to die on?!", ">\n\nThe reason it’s an issue is because it affects public policy about access to things based upon gender. It also significantly affects how this stuff is talked about with kids and supersedes parenting in many cases. It affects parents who would rather their kids think that gender is not selectable when you have a public school curriculum that is fine with telling them it is, people who don’t like transgender people get upset because it’s affecting the control they have over their families, upbringing and values.", ">\n\nIt likely is having very little effect on their families and I imagine few of them are actually exposed to it with any kind of regularity. Rather, they hear that it's some sort of big deal from Fox News and others and so they believe it.\nTransgender people in women's sports? There are only a handful of instances of this being an issue across the entire country.\nPublic school curriculum? In most places will have absolutely zero lessons regarding this topic.", ">\n\nYou’re describing things that are currently changing. There is far more than a handful of women in men’s sports in high schools. I don’t really care about that issue. A huge portion of trans rights is having trans representation in sex education. As there should be, if society is to be respectful to this. So what you’re currently describing is the state of affairs that the success of trans rights and gender fluidity recognition intends to change. The conservative reaction is to that.", ">\n\n\nThe conservative reaction is to that.\n\nThe conservative reaction is to trans people existing. American conservatives have been fighting a culture war since 1960, continuously, and they just mad lib in words from today. The actual target doesn't really matter. What matters is that there is a target.", ">\n\nI’m referring to all the news stories that have come up in the past two years about trans people.", ">\n\nYes you're right, there are a great many of overblown fear-mongering articles about trans folks coming out lately. As the poster above you said: there needs to be a target for hate, doesn't matter who.", ">\n\nYes, welcome to the past 30 years of LGBT electoral politics.", ">\n\nThere’s a ton of homophobic and transphobia in the black community and it’s weird it’s not brought up more often", ">\n\nYes. Black trans women are the most targeted minority there is. \nYou’d think always being a target of bigotry and hate, that you wouldn’t pass that on.", ">\n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n-Lyndon B. Johnson\nReplace white with black and 'colored' with Trans and you got a new working recipe. Nobody is immune to prejudice, its just with black people the irony is extremely noticable. Theres no reason black people wouldn't be susceptable to the same ploy as white people.", ">\n\nTrue.", ">\n\nSomething like 90 percent of black people vote Democrat compared to something like 40 percent of white people.\nIf you compare 90 percent of any population to the most liberal 40 percent of any other population it'd be mind blowing if the larger group wasn't more conservative. \nThis is a bit like being dismayed to discover that 50 percent of school children have below average intelligence.", ">\n\nThis is like no shit Sherlock moment. It’s known that homophobia and transphobia is large in the black community so this would be reflected in the democratically elected people of that community. Like a problem sure but not a surprising one.", ">\n\nWork in healthcare. Almost all anti-vax staff (that I know of) were black. Especially the religious, older generation. \nI know there is a long historical reason for their believes but its still a noticable pattern.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. I live in a deep blue neighborhood with a lot of black and Hispanic individuals, and they generally don't get along with (or are neutral towards) the LGBTQ+ community. There's also a lot of \"anti race mixing\" type drama against interracial couples (like a black and white couple having a light-skinned black kid).\nThe younger 20-something ones are very far left, though. One young black man was going door to door supporting a petition for UBI and a $20/hour minimum wage in California that most people in the apartment complex I live in (including myself) signed, I had a really cool discussion with him (he put me on the idea of constitutionally guaranteed housing). It's mostly the older ones that are still center-right.", ">\n\nA lot of Black people are actually pretty socially conservative, my family included. Kind of ironic that Republicans could have a real untapped voting block if they weren't so vehemently dedicated to racist pandering.", ">\n\nYou mean the big tent party is not a monolith? 😱", ">\n\nWasn't there something unusual that happened in California regarding a proposition on gay marriage at the same time Obama was on the ballot that ties into this idea?", ">\n\nAnd shockingly, their personal opinions DONT carry so much hate with them, that they’re willing to vote against their own best interests to ensure we all know who they hate.\nGive me more groups of people who are uninterested in the coming and going’s of another group and are just willing to vote for the greater good, I’ll take that. \nPlenty of white democrat voters dont grasp the extent at which black people are still unfairly treated in the US. They still vote for the people who do, because ultimately… the greater good.\nHere is an alternate headline: Black Democrats overwhelmingly prove they’re willing to protect the rights of others, even when they admittedly don’t understand them.", ">\n\nThis. This right here exactly. Voting from spite seems to be unique to white conservatives.", ">\n\nUh yeah, democrats are a coalition, not really an ideology", ">\n\nI'll get down voted for this but who cares, this is not an important issue. We need to focus on class solidarity rather than culture war topics that effect .5% of the population. Yes it's transphobic , but these talking points are a smoke screen used to divide us proletariate against each other. Our wealth has been and continues to be stolen from us by the one percent. We are under constant class warfare and we fight amongst ourselves. First we need to raise the floor, and create a more egalitarian society: one in which there is equality of opportunity, one in which we have our basic needs met for, and one in which we earn our proper share of the wealth we create. Once we achieve these goals literacy, empathy, and cultural tolerance will floresh; but we need to focus on the fight that is in front of us that effects the majority, the proletariate, first.", ">\n\nI agree with the need for class solidarity. We need to desperately address wealth inequality and fight the rich. However, Republicans are committing genocide against transgender people. You might see that word in my previous sentence, “genocide”, and say to yourself, “she’s just being dramatic, the Republicans are just passing reasonable, common-sense medical restrictions on a fringe group of weirdos”. \nFrom the United Nations:\nIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:\n1.) Killing members of the group;\n2.) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;\n3.) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;\n4.) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;\n5.) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group\n——-\n1.) Transgender people are frequently murdered. \n2.) Transgender people are frequently “legislative refugees”, and are leaving deep red states as quick as they can (if they can afford to), while the laws dictating how old you can be to transition looks like they’re gonna aim to raise it from 21 to 26 this year. One such law is called the “Millstone Act”. That’s only gonna increase. \n3.) Red states don’t cover trans health care, leaving trans people poorer than cis people. \n4.) HRT frequently sterilizes trans people, but for those that remain fertile, some countries have enforced sterilization. \n5.) Step right up and watch Texas investigate the parents of trans kids for child abuse using CPS..\nYou don’t need to even meet all the qualifications of genocide for it to BE genocide. So any time I see a Democrat say “we need to say, ‘fuck trans people, we need to focus on more important things’, I say:\nHow will history judge you for standing aside and letting this happen? Will they understand in fifty years why you had to let one of our most vulnerable minority groups be fed to the wolves to pass a legislative agenda? In a hundred?", ">\n\nNo I understand all that let me be clear, I am addressing the title of the article. I don't think addressing the transphobia of poor black people should come before addressing the material inequality that black people are subjected to. If we address these issues first then what will follow is a more educated and empathetic people. Right now people are experiencing food and housing insecurity or at the very the threat of this. Wages are stagnant, and the police state is growing in it's power and reach while being routinely championed by media. A lot of Americans do not have the time, education, or luxury to worry about a virtually invisible minority. I agree that conservatives are monsters but articles like this just exist to divide us. \nI am not saying we should not be using the law to protect people, I agree with this. I just don't think we need neo liberal articles trying to point fingers at an already marginalized group of people and saying they are part of the problem.", ">\n\nI agree that we need to address material inequality over the feelings of a demographic.\nI just also believe that the “virtually invisible minority” needs to be saved from the opposition’s efforts to kill them all. Of course, as a trans person myself, I vote Democrat. If the Republican Party platform was pro-trans (somehow) and they still held all their current positions otherwise, I would still vote Democrat, because opposition to the science of climate change, systemic inequality, racism, xenophobia, and rampant narcissism are still not qualities I look for in a leader.\nTL;DR version: article is garbage trying to fan the flames of contention, hurting trans people is GOP priority #1 and I wish Democrats would stand with us the way we stand with them.", ">\n\nMaybe the real goal should be to try not to fit all Black Democrats or all Black people into boxes. The word monolith gets tossed around a lot as a bad thing, and it is, but it still seems to be the thing pollsters try to create and pretend that they have identified.", ">\n\nSure, but that isn’t an exclusively black democrat or black people problem. Society puts people into boxes all the time I.e. conservatives are xyz, democrats are xyz, white America has an xyz problem, etc.", ">\n\nThis seems like it should be the #1 priority in messaging. Draw parallels between minority issues and gay rights. Introduce your gay selves to black people so they can see you're not that different.\nFixing this now would be ideal.", ">\n\nAs a very liberal black person, let me just say: duh", ">\n\nIsn’t the black community known for being pretty homophobic in general? I thought that was common knowledge?", ">\n\nBig difference between personal morality and wanting to impose your religious values on everyone else through government. Black Christians fundamentally understand tolerance doesn't necessarily mean approval. That's a level of maturity the far right and far left haven't achieved.", ">\n\nThose last two sentences need to be said waaaay more", ">\n\nBlack Americans sre Christians, the great enigma.", ">\n\nMany younger ones are not as religious as their parents.", ">\n\nHomophobia in the black community? Stoppp", ">\n\nIf Republican’s were not openly racist at least 1/2 of African Americans would vote for them. But Republicans would lose 2/3’s of whites who would start voting by class, so Republican’s cultivate and maintain racist values in the party.", ">\n\nOf course they do. Uneducated black people and uneducated white people are the same. Skin color plays no role. Bigoted regressive views are to be expected.", ">\n\nIt's not surprising. The monolithic portion of the black community in the US is rife with toxic masculinity.\nThat's sad is that all those Trans people really just want to exist. Imagine the pettiness required to say to someone \"You can't do this thing that will help make you whole because I don't feel like having to think about it.\".\nBut that war's already lost. Trans acceptance is only going to increase, and eventually it'll be mundane, and people will look back and wonder why people were so backward.", ">\n\nThis is because the black community is more religious feels that the black family unit has taken serious damage from the War in Drugs, Mass incarceration, Systemic racism etc.\nThis is coming from an entirely different place than what we are seeing in the GOP, and is not necessarily indicative of the same anti-LGBTQ+ bullshit that is taking place on that side of the isle.\nHowever, the black community will continue to support democrats for the time being, because the overwhelming consensus is that the brand of conservatism that is currently ruling the GOP is the main threat that has hurt them in the first place for decades.", ">\n\nIt's also indiscriminate, no matter what sides Black Americans fall on there's something that party has done to make their lives worse.", ">\n\nThere is a fault line within the Democratic party. Black democrats are ready to split not just on transgender issues but also inclusivity of other minorities.\nSome of the chief plaintiffs in the affirmative action case before the SC are Asian Americans, not because they opposed Black students getting extra points compared to White students but because Asian students had admission points deducted from them for being Asian. There are deep fissures between Jewish Americans and African Americans as well. \nA decent candidate running on black liberation theology could easily spoil a democratic presidency in 2024.", ">\n\nHoly shit this is pure uncut hopium. \nDifference in opinion and attitudes isn’t a sign of impending conflict. Hell, even if it were, it really speaks to how much those voting blocks hate Republicans. \nI know, I know, I know, Kanye could do it or whatever, it’s ok.", ">\n\nDo you really think the long standing issues between these minority groups is really due to a difference of opinion? A Farrakhan type or endorsed candidate could easily spoil a tight election in 2024. They would likely need less than 2 percent of the vote in certain swing states. Biden already has declining approval among Black Americans. The bifurcated American Politics of \"Left vs. Right\" doesn't reflect reality.", ">\n\nIt reflects election results though. \nEvery voting block could break itself into atomized parties. You simultaneously believe these voting blocks don’t know their party doesn’t represent their objectives to the degree they would like. While also, believing these voters would form a new party when they realize that? \nYou’re just wish-casting a scenario where Kanye is politically viable. You can present it in the most mealy mouthed way possible, it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting at.", ">\n\nI'm not and zero. Index funds only for this guy.", ">\n\nAh so you don't even yield to the pretense of being okay with gay people", ">\n\nWhat are you talking about? I'm a gay man.", ">\n\nI'm a white male democrat in the south. I think sex is assigned at birth but gender is a social construct. Someone can be genetically male but feel like a female and it doesn't hurt me to call them her if that's what she wants to be called. It takes zero effort to be kind. \nNow the whole sports issue is valid imo but Republicans use it on bad faith arguments. The issue is complicated but just call people what they want to be called. It's not hard.", ">\n\nThere’s a difference between call people what they want and hate speech laws though. And that’s not even close to where the political issue stops.", ">\n\nWhat are you even on about. I'm talking about day to day interactions with trans people. I don't think I said anything wrong?", ">\n\nI don’t think you said anything wrong either. And i largely agree on the day to day interaction side. What I’m saying is that isn’t where any of this stops.", ">\n\nWell im 30 and just came out as gay to my first person. I just recently accepted it myself. So I'm still trying to learn and grow as a person. It's hard being from the deep south and not knowing any of this.", ">\n\nDont use this to divide. Most of you regardless of your background have deeply transphobic views. No community but our own is safe for us.", ">\n\nIs that a helpful comment, to accuse \"most\" of wholesale transphobia?", ">\n\nHow could you possibly come to the conclusion that the purpose of this poll is \"to try to invalidate trans identities\"?", ">\n\nIt's almost like they have larger issues to deal with...", ">\n\nyep, gop could 100% steal most of the black vote if they weren't racists", ">\n\nChristianity is a regressive force.", ">\n\ntruth", ">\n\nGood thing there’s no poor white people. Otherwise they could use this excuse too", ">\n\nI'll bet poor white people don't give af about pronouns either..", ">\n\nThat’s the point - it’s not an excuse…\nJust like being poor isn’t an excuse for being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc", ">\n\nWe see this play out regularly in Democratic primaries every four years. The Republican's social conservatism is extreme. Sometimes they make a half-hearted effort to appeal to black religious conservatives. They get very poor results. However, if Democrats nominate a white social liberal, black turnout could suffer. I hope we are spared an ugly future fight between Kamala Harris and someone like Buttigieg. The nominating process is too often a popularity contest. Democrats need to nominate someone who can win a general election. If you happen to like the strongest general election candidate, great. If we nominate the weaker candidate because they are more \"likeable,\" they will often lose a general election to the Republican.\nEdit: If you don't understand nuance, I need to state--This is only an opinion. It does not mean I like it.", ">\n\nI too hope Kamala and Pete are not our only options.", ">\n\nThe names were only used as an example. I fear that the primary voters will find a way to fuck it up, regardless of the candidates.", ">\n\nLet’s remember that Biden has been pretty clear in his support of trans people and was chosen by conservative black voters in SC. People are capable of choosing people they mostly agree with or think will be a good leader even if they don’t agree on all issues. I disagree with Biden on tons of stuff and did not vote for him in the primary, but he has been a very effective president. What this poll shows is that a lot of education is needed in all the communities surveyed and that will take time.", ">\n\nWhat a shock black people can be bigots too no matter how much they try and claim they can't be because of oppression.", ">\n\nYou cannot demand equality when it comes to race and and ethnicity and at the same time discriminate when it comes to sexual preference and identity. At least not if you're an honest, respectable person with integrity.", ">\n\nyou use 'can' in a descriptive way, I use it in a normative way", ">\n\nI see A LOT of white people talking about black folks in here.\nAnd there are A LOT of ASSUMPTIONS and GENERALIZATIONS too.\nSmh", ">\n\nHow exactly do you see a lot of skin color in an online forum with anonymous usernames and no avatars or personal photos?", ">\n\nMaybe I should correct myself and say a lot of NON BLACK people.\nI think it's pretty clear based on how people are speaking here.... \nBlack people are not some monolith group that can be categorized as such. We're ALL individuals with our own beliefs, values, and experiences.\nYet, I'm reading comments here saying \" Well no surprise, black people are pretty religious\".\" Black people are very socially conservative.\" \" Black people would vote Republican if it weren't obvious that they hated them\" ETC.\nExcuse me but wtf? To me at least as an obvious black person who isn't afraid to share their racial identity in this space, I know EXACTLY how non black people talk about us. Black people never generalize the group or other blacks like what's being said here.\nThe reality is most Black people are just as varied and diverse as anyone else in reality. And these generalizations aren't the answer at all.\nThe real answer to this question is that gender isn't a social construct, it's a reality. Blacks, having experienced 400 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow, having literally everything else as far as identity taken away from them KNOW this is fact. \nA man is a man and a woman is a woman no matter how you slice it. And there are natural differences within them both physiological and psychological and that is just the very genetic essence of the species.... (Yeah hermaphrodites exist but they are anomalies of nature that often die off fast and are infertile).\nWith that said, everyone can choose to do whatever and live life the way they want socially. But that doesn't change reality itself. And I think that's where A LOT of others get things mixed up.\nNow why is any of this relevant to me? Because I'm an agnostic and socially liberal black person, yet I still hold this belief despite it being considered \"conservative\" by folks here. And I'm FAR from the only black person who has commented here that breaks the highly upvoted generalization commented in this sub.\nAnd no, I have no interest in making legislation to hurt anyone. And to even see any comments even suggesting this idea, totally disregarding the history of American blacks as a suppressed and disenfranchised group is disgusting and laughable. \nThe vast majority of black folks, regardless of how religious or not or how liberal or conservative have absolutely no interest in hurting other people through legislation.....Come on...\nThere is so much groupthink here that any time that something doesn't fall in line with how people are TOLD to view things, that it's immediately viewed as a negative or a problem instead of what it really is, just a difference....", ">\n\nUnderstood. I see what you mean in that case. It’s very similar to those who commented on the midterms about the Hispanic/Mexican/Cuban voting bloc and how there is a Republican shift happening. But instead of looking at the voting results they attempted to make correlations with cause.", ">\n\nYet, Black people vote for Dems at higher rates than any other race. I’d say surveyors and pollsters might need to update their methodology.", ">\n\nPeople can believe this and not vote to discriminate against LBGTQ people.", ">\n\nI never understood how people can get so wrapped up in semantics. \nWe previously used sex and gender interchangeably, which wasn't really correct. Now, the two words are finally being used in the correct way: One is biological XX/XY and the other is a social definition. \nIt's as simple as that. JFC. Neither me or any of my liberal friends have any difficulty over this or are offended in any manner by saying there is a biological chromosomal sex difference. IT IS annoying when (predominantly right wing) people interchange the two words out of ignorance and then berate us for it. Yes, there can be many genders. No, there is only two sexes. Get over it. Stop your BS, dog whistle, victim mentality, fake culture war.", ">\n\nIt says Sex on my drivers license but people still want to put whatever letter they want. It’s not at all as simple as that.", ">\n\nThis is framing it wrong.\nThe better question is: why do you care?", ">\n\nWhy do you care is one of the most annoying arguments used in politics today", ">\n\nExactly. (Ask melania trump.)", ">\n\nQuestion, what is the breakdown of demographics by age of these black democrats? Are young black people more or less likely to be democrats / independents / or republicans? That was my immediate question, but i am also curious if black democrats support or oppose complete bans on transgender people. My assumption are that black democrats are a) older than other democrats (and thus more likely to be influenced by religion and prior social norms) b) more socially conservative c) disenfranchised (to the point that democratic messaging about transgender people directed towards them is non-existent).", ">\n\nNot really that surprising.\nBlack culture is still fairly unaccepting of LGBT as a whole (*In America), it's an ongoing cultural issue that's slowly changing but will take time. \nIn reality if Republicans put some actual effort into not fucking over black communities for a generation they'd probably be more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.", ">\n\nFirst world problems lol", ">\n\nI think we need to have the conversation that is 100% not anyone's business except the individual as to how they describe themselves. Of course, we need to have the conversation with the individual that gender at birth matters for health reasons of course but otherwise gender is a social construct except for reasons of biology.\nThe fact we even have to be concerned with \"rights\" for those who consider themselves transgender shows that there are a lot of people out there who feel they have rights to how others besides themselves label themselves. This is a sad state of affairs and little more than people trying to control the experiences of others outside themselves.", ">\n\nSeems like a pretty broad statement to make based on only a small sunset surveyed.", ">\n\nBlack peoples position on abortions for trans people in Taiwan (not China) ...... Ya I'm not touching that topic with a 10.5ft pole", ">\n\nInteresting result and in some cases they will go main stream", ">\n\nPeople have a right to vote in what they think is correct and agreeable to their values.", ">\n\nTbh all this article has shown me is fuck Republicans.", ">\n\nThis will probably not get noticed, but there is something wrong with that first chart. No way White is 72% while Rep is only 13%. And you can’t get majority of total saying it’s birth gender when the breakdown of race shows all but black show indicating gender can change.", ">\n\nThis is not new information, anyone who’s spent time around black democrats or black people and general will realize this", ">\n\nAh, makes sense why conservatives are going so hard on this issue lately. It plays well with their base and they are desperate to break up the black voting bloc to have a better chance in future elections.", ">\n\nThis is why it’s unsurprising that the democrats are losing black voters to the GOP (although not a lot overall) at a faster and faster rate as the GOP reverts to LGBT issues as their primary wedge issue.\nBlack communities overall are conservative and religious. The only reason they vote Democrat largely is because of the fact that the GOP is full of out and proud racists. That’s it. If the GOP dropped racism from their platform, a large section of the black community would vote GOP within 10 years", ">\n\nThis is well known to most except for the most liberal of white Dems. They think civil rights are a monolith and a unifying cause for all blue voters.\nIt’s not at all. Not all people of color are that one girl from your class in college. There are many many regressive views held in these communities and as a party, the Dems realize this.\nHence no progressive nominee for president.", ">\n\nOh wow, what a revelation. Democrats disagree, when Democrats have always disagreed. The Republicans are the Party of the wealthy and well connected mono thought. The Democrats are everyone else, so of course they disagree. As Will Rogers once remarked, \"I'm not a member of any organized political Party, I'm a Democrat!", ">\n\nBut they want the same progressive gains that gay people largely worked for on their own, and at the same time they badmouth gay and lesbian people they sure are happy to take our money whenever it comes to county programs and services funded by taxpayers, and we gay people do pay taxes. \nI’ve had to get on board by supporting everyone. I’ve heard many, many times from non-gay black people that I as a Native American gay woman am ‘dead weight’ because I can’t do anything for them politically. \nI’m sick of being treated like this and at the same time being forced to respect people who often don’t feel that’s a two way street. You want to reap the benefits of our work then suit up, show up & treat us with the same dignity and respect you’d expect to receive.", ">\n\nWhat’s really frustrating is that a lot of the most vocal support for gay/ trans rights has come from black members of that community because they KNOW THE SCORE. They see what it takes firsthand but so many of the rest of the black community is so deep in religion that there’s no way out for these social issues.", ">\n\nWell yeah no shit. Black people get robbed of good education in this country and shit education makes people socially conservative.", ">\n\nAre you saying that black people are dumb?", ">\n\nNo? Can you engage with what I said without trying to strawman me to make me look bad?\nThe lower level of education someone has, the more statistically likely they are to be queerphobic. Black people historically have way less access to education in this country. It's a very simple set of correlations.", ">\n\nReligion is why. Always been the case.", ">\n\nthey are smart." ]

[ "They also tend to be more religious, as well. Are we shocked or surprised by this? Is this unknown information?", ">\n\nI'm not. This is well documentated, they tend to be more religous and socially conservative than other democrats. They also oppose abortion at a higher rate.", ">\n\n\nsocially conservative than other democrats.\n\nAnd I suspect its because Black people overwhelmingly break for Democrats. Where a white conservative person would typically vote for a Republican, the Black Conservative person may STILL vote Democrat due to the rampant racism apparent in the Republican party. \nIn other words, Black people aren't more conservative as a whole, they are just more Conservative when only looking at Democrats. (I would love to see actual data to back up this suspicion of mine)", ">\n\nIt's unlikely to be identical, since racial inequality leads to different racial balances among groups like academia and rural labor that tend to heavily influence political leanings. \nEither way, the reality is that the Republicans could pick up more votes by shifting to oppose racism but favor religious discrimination more highly.", ">\n\nBut then they’d lose the votes of the poor whites who don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy but do care about racism. So would it really be a net gain in votes?", ">\n\nThe trick is, most of those people also favor religious discrimination.", ">\n\nBut how many of them care about religious discrimination more than racial discrimination? It can’t be all of them.", ">\n\n.... a lot of them. It's not ok to say racist shit in polite company but it's absolutely OK to most people in most situations to say if people don't accept Jesus they'll rot in Hell.", ">\n\nNot really surprising if a person has spent any time hanging out with Black Democrats, or just a lot of Black people in general. Worth pointing out though that imho you’d have seen these same results probably if you asked about marriage equality 15 years ago.", ">\n\nI remember reading exactly this about marriage equality 15 years ago. If I recall correctly, most demographic groups had kind of the same breakdown as far as for/against, except Jewish people skewed heavily in favor of marriage equality and black people skewed against marriage equality. I was kind of surprised at the black part back then, but it made me not surprised at this headline today.", ">\n\nTrust me, not all other non-black democrats have the same views on this stuff either.", ">\n\nBut does that translate into them wanting to legislate it", ">\n\n\\^This. Personal beliefs don't always translate into policy preferences. White evangelicals are the group that seems most likely to just treat it as a given that their individual religious beliefs NEED to be codified into law.", ">\n\nYep.\nTheres a difference between being uncomfortable with something, thinking its strange, thinking its not in line with your beliefs etc and actively wanting the law to get involved.", ">\n\nAs a black person, particularly an atheist city-dweller, this is where I experience the greatest schism with my own community. In my mind, there are precisely zero differences between our own struggles for civil rights and those of the LBGTQ community. We should be holding hands in our fights against marginalization, not flirting with religiosity and conservative politics.\nI think it's a shame that black people cling to the white man's religion in the first place, but to follow it to the extent that you can't identify with those suffering right alongside you... Especially when the Black gay community is so fucking inventive and imitated (house music, fashion trends, slang, etc...), you'd think there'd be more acceptance.", ">\n\nI’d like your opinion on something I can’t quite fully wrap my head around. \nI’m also athiest, and pretty far on the progressive side of things generally. I fully support equality for the LBGTQ community. \nI’ve tried asking this question before and just get immediately slammed as a right wing shill. But I have a decade of comments people can check to be sure that’s not the case. \nI truly want to be an ally for trans people. I ask this question so that I can confidently support the community. \nIn your mind, is it different for someone born with XY chromosomes and male body parts to identify as a woman than a white girl like Rachel Dolezal to identify as black?\nI have a very hard time differentiating between those two scenarios and thought maybe you could help me out.", ">\n\nSee? This is the only answer I ever get. \nI’m being 100% authentic. If someone can’t lay out an answer for someone literally begging to be on the correct side of things, how do you expect to have this conversation with someone who is resistant to the idea? \nThere is no trap. Just try to answer the question clearly. \nTo me it’s a hard one and I’d like an answer that makes sense.", ">\n\nr/onejoke moment lol", ">\n\nHow do I talk to my bigoted uncles when they say this? I sincerely can’t get any help on the topic because all I get are empty YOU’RE JUST WRONG replies. \nI suspect it’s because you don’t have an answer to the question and are just as confused about it as I am but you don’t want to admit it. \nPlease prove me wrong.", ">\n\nDude, it’s in like every basic college text on the science of gender now - not only the answer you were given about brain structure, there are tons of other rare chromosomal configurations that give rise to mixtures of sex characteristics that combine typical male or female characteristics in various ways - not to mention intersex people exist who are born with genitals that aren’t clearly a penis or a vulva. On top of all of this you have tons of sociological research and studies, and queer theory, about the socialization of gender norms, the way they vary wildly across cultures, and shift over time in the same cultures - leading one to realize that gender expression is, for the most part, performative - through fashion choices and communication styles, and not related to one’s sex characteristics so much as their socialization. As such people have every right to express their gender however they feel like. Just do your own homework and read a chapter from a gender studies textbook. It’ll take you an hour at most.\nThat is, if you actually care that much about the topic as you seem to.", ">\n\nNot really shocking. The black community has historically been less accepting of the LGBTQ community. I think this has a lot to do with the role religion plays in much of the community", ">\n\nReligion is just a factor, if anything it’s just a portion of the trauma black Americans still suffer from due to slavery which contributes to current homophobia. I say this because even in non-religious black households (post black boomers) there’s still a high level of anti-LGBT rhetoric. (Side note: these non-religious black households I speak of also make more than 75k per year where I’m at so it could also be a socioeconomic “keeping up with the jones” thing as well)", ">\n\nWhat's the impetus for that anti-LGBTQ sentiment absent religion?", ">\n\nA lot of black people would vote Republican if Republicans weren’t intentionally and obviously anti-black.", ">\n\nRepublicans aren’t anti black, they just don’t kiss their ass like the Dems do", ">\n\nCome to the south lol. They hate us", ">\n\nFor real. I am a white guy living in the south. The absolutely vile shit that I’ve heard over the years because they think I’m “safe” is insane.", ">\n\nMy dad had a conversation with the sheriff of a local county who wouldn't stop saying the N word. It was clear he felt he was \"safe\". People still hold these beliefs they just keep quiet until they get alone with someone they think thinks the same things they do.", ">\n\nWhenever people assume black people are very progressive I just think they don’t actually know that many black people.", ">\n\nI get why politicians lean in to the trans issue in a negative way, because it’s a hot-button topic that whips up a base. What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit whether or not someone else identifies as a different gender. What’s the problem here? It took all of 10 minutes of googling to understand that I’m a white cis male, and that other people may or may not identify as such. Boom. Done. I learned something new and now other people hopefully feel more comfortable around me. Why is denying trans rights a hill that so many people are willing to die on?!", ">\n\nThe reason it’s an issue is because it affects public policy about access to things based upon gender. It also significantly affects how this stuff is talked about with kids and supersedes parenting in many cases. It affects parents who would rather their kids think that gender is not selectable when you have a public school curriculum that is fine with telling them it is, people who don’t like transgender people get upset because it’s affecting the control they have over their families, upbringing and values.", ">\n\nIt likely is having very little effect on their families and I imagine few of them are actually exposed to it with any kind of regularity. Rather, they hear that it's some sort of big deal from Fox News and others and so they believe it.\nTransgender people in women's sports? There are only a handful of instances of this being an issue across the entire country.\nPublic school curriculum? In most places will have absolutely zero lessons regarding this topic.", ">\n\nYou’re describing things that are currently changing. There is far more than a handful of women in men’s sports in high schools. I don’t really care about that issue. A huge portion of trans rights is having trans representation in sex education. As there should be, if society is to be respectful to this. So what you’re currently describing is the state of affairs that the success of trans rights and gender fluidity recognition intends to change. The conservative reaction is to that.", ">\n\n\nThe conservative reaction is to that.\n\nThe conservative reaction is to trans people existing. American conservatives have been fighting a culture war since 1960, continuously, and they just mad lib in words from today. The actual target doesn't really matter. What matters is that there is a target.", ">\n\nI’m referring to all the news stories that have come up in the past two years about trans people.", ">\n\nYes you're right, there are a great many of overblown fear-mongering articles about trans folks coming out lately. As the poster above you said: there needs to be a target for hate, doesn't matter who.", ">\n\nYes, welcome to the past 30 years of LGBT electoral politics.", ">\n\nThere’s a ton of homophobic and transphobia in the black community and it’s weird it’s not brought up more often", ">\n\nYes. Black trans women are the most targeted minority there is. \nYou’d think always being a target of bigotry and hate, that you wouldn’t pass that on.", ">\n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n-Lyndon B. Johnson\nReplace white with black and 'colored' with Trans and you got a new working recipe. Nobody is immune to prejudice, its just with black people the irony is extremely noticable. Theres no reason black people wouldn't be susceptable to the same ploy as white people.", ">\n\nTrue.", ">\n\nSomething like 90 percent of black people vote Democrat compared to something like 40 percent of white people.\nIf you compare 90 percent of any population to the most liberal 40 percent of any other population it'd be mind blowing if the larger group wasn't more conservative. \nThis is a bit like being dismayed to discover that 50 percent of school children have below average intelligence.", ">\n\nThis is like no shit Sherlock moment. It’s known that homophobia and transphobia is large in the black community so this would be reflected in the democratically elected people of that community. Like a problem sure but not a surprising one.", ">\n\nWork in healthcare. Almost all anti-vax staff (that I know of) were black. Especially the religious, older generation. \nI know there is a long historical reason for their believes but its still a noticable pattern.", ">\n\nI'm not surprised. I live in a deep blue neighborhood with a lot of black and Hispanic individuals, and they generally don't get along with (or are neutral towards) the LGBTQ+ community. There's also a lot of \"anti race mixing\" type drama against interracial couples (like a black and white couple having a light-skinned black kid).\nThe younger 20-something ones are very far left, though. One young black man was going door to door supporting a petition for UBI and a $20/hour minimum wage in California that most people in the apartment complex I live in (including myself) signed, I had a really cool discussion with him (he put me on the idea of constitutionally guaranteed housing). It's mostly the older ones that are still center-right.", ">\n\nA lot of Black people are actually pretty socially conservative, my family included. Kind of ironic that Republicans could have a real untapped voting block if they weren't so vehemently dedicated to racist pandering.", ">\n\nYou mean the big tent party is not a monolith? 😱", ">\n\nWasn't there something unusual that happened in California regarding a proposition on gay marriage at the same time Obama was on the ballot that ties into this idea?", ">\n\nAnd shockingly, their personal opinions DONT carry so much hate with them, that they’re willing to vote against their own best interests to ensure we all know who they hate.\nGive me more groups of people who are uninterested in the coming and going’s of another group and are just willing to vote for the greater good, I’ll take that. \nPlenty of white democrat voters dont grasp the extent at which black people are still unfairly treated in the US. They still vote for the people who do, because ultimately… the greater good.\nHere is an alternate headline: Black Democrats overwhelmingly prove they’re willing to protect the rights of others, even when they admittedly don’t understand them.", ">\n\nThis. This right here exactly. Voting from spite seems to be unique to white conservatives.", ">\n\nUh yeah, democrats are a coalition, not really an ideology", ">\n\nI'll get down voted for this but who cares, this is not an important issue. We need to focus on class solidarity rather than culture war topics that effect .5% of the population. Yes it's transphobic , but these talking points are a smoke screen used to divide us proletariate against each other. Our wealth has been and continues to be stolen from us by the one percent. We are under constant class warfare and we fight amongst ourselves. First we need to raise the floor, and create a more egalitarian society: one in which there is equality of opportunity, one in which we have our basic needs met for, and one in which we earn our proper share of the wealth we create. Once we achieve these goals literacy, empathy, and cultural tolerance will floresh; but we need to focus on the fight that is in front of us that effects the majority, the proletariate, first.", ">\n\nI agree with the need for class solidarity. We need to desperately address wealth inequality and fight the rich. However, Republicans are committing genocide against transgender people. You might see that word in my previous sentence, “genocide”, and say to yourself, “she’s just being dramatic, the Republicans are just passing reasonable, common-sense medical restrictions on a fringe group of weirdos”. \nFrom the United Nations:\nIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:\n1.) Killing members of the group;\n2.) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;\n3.) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;\n4.) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;\n5.) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group\n——-\n1.) Transgender people are frequently murdered. \n2.) Transgender people are frequently “legislative refugees”, and are leaving deep red states as quick as they can (if they can afford to), while the laws dictating how old you can be to transition looks like they’re gonna aim to raise it from 21 to 26 this year. One such law is called the “Millstone Act”. That’s only gonna increase. \n3.) Red states don’t cover trans health care, leaving trans people poorer than cis people. \n4.) HRT frequently sterilizes trans people, but for those that remain fertile, some countries have enforced sterilization. \n5.) Step right up and watch Texas investigate the parents of trans kids for child abuse using CPS..\nYou don’t need to even meet all the qualifications of genocide for it to BE genocide. So any time I see a Democrat say “we need to say, ‘fuck trans people, we need to focus on more important things’, I say:\nHow will history judge you for standing aside and letting this happen? Will they understand in fifty years why you had to let one of our most vulnerable minority groups be fed to the wolves to pass a legislative agenda? In a hundred?", ">\n\nNo I understand all that let me be clear, I am addressing the title of the article. I don't think addressing the transphobia of poor black people should come before addressing the material inequality that black people are subjected to. If we address these issues first then what will follow is a more educated and empathetic people. Right now people are experiencing food and housing insecurity or at the very the threat of this. Wages are stagnant, and the police state is growing in it's power and reach while being routinely championed by media. A lot of Americans do not have the time, education, or luxury to worry about a virtually invisible minority. I agree that conservatives are monsters but articles like this just exist to divide us. \nI am not saying we should not be using the law to protect people, I agree with this. I just don't think we need neo liberal articles trying to point fingers at an already marginalized group of people and saying they are part of the problem.", ">\n\nI agree that we need to address material inequality over the feelings of a demographic.\nI just also believe that the “virtually invisible minority” needs to be saved from the opposition’s efforts to kill them all. Of course, as a trans person myself, I vote Democrat. If the Republican Party platform was pro-trans (somehow) and they still held all their current positions otherwise, I would still vote Democrat, because opposition to the science of climate change, systemic inequality, racism, xenophobia, and rampant narcissism are still not qualities I look for in a leader.\nTL;DR version: article is garbage trying to fan the flames of contention, hurting trans people is GOP priority #1 and I wish Democrats would stand with us the way we stand with them.", ">\n\nMaybe the real goal should be to try not to fit all Black Democrats or all Black people into boxes. The word monolith gets tossed around a lot as a bad thing, and it is, but it still seems to be the thing pollsters try to create and pretend that they have identified.", ">\n\nSure, but that isn’t an exclusively black democrat or black people problem. Society puts people into boxes all the time I.e. conservatives are xyz, democrats are xyz, white America has an xyz problem, etc.", ">\n\nThis seems like it should be the #1 priority in messaging. Draw parallels between minority issues and gay rights. Introduce your gay selves to black people so they can see you're not that different.\nFixing this now would be ideal.", ">\n\nAs a very liberal black person, let me just say: duh", ">\n\nIsn’t the black community known for being pretty homophobic in general? I thought that was common knowledge?", ">\n\nBig difference between personal morality and wanting to impose your religious values on everyone else through government. Black Christians fundamentally understand tolerance doesn't necessarily mean approval. That's a level of maturity the far right and far left haven't achieved.", ">\n\nThose last two sentences need to be said waaaay more", ">\n\nBlack Americans sre Christians, the great enigma.", ">\n\nMany younger ones are not as religious as their parents.", ">\n\nHomophobia in the black community? Stoppp", ">\n\nIf Republican’s were not openly racist at least 1/2 of African Americans would vote for them. But Republicans would lose 2/3’s of whites who would start voting by class, so Republican’s cultivate and maintain racist values in the party.", ">\n\nOf course they do. Uneducated black people and uneducated white people are the same. Skin color plays no role. Bigoted regressive views are to be expected.", ">\n\nIt's not surprising. The monolithic portion of the black community in the US is rife with toxic masculinity.\nThat's sad is that all those Trans people really just want to exist. Imagine the pettiness required to say to someone \"You can't do this thing that will help make you whole because I don't feel like having to think about it.\".\nBut that war's already lost. Trans acceptance is only going to increase, and eventually it'll be mundane, and people will look back and wonder why people were so backward.", ">\n\nThis is because the black community is more religious feels that the black family unit has taken serious damage from the War in Drugs, Mass incarceration, Systemic racism etc.\nThis is coming from an entirely different place than what we are seeing in the GOP, and is not necessarily indicative of the same anti-LGBTQ+ bullshit that is taking place on that side of the isle.\nHowever, the black community will continue to support democrats for the time being, because the overwhelming consensus is that the brand of conservatism that is currently ruling the GOP is the main threat that has hurt them in the first place for decades.", ">\n\nIt's also indiscriminate, no matter what sides Black Americans fall on there's something that party has done to make their lives worse.", ">\n\nThere is a fault line within the Democratic party. Black democrats are ready to split not just on transgender issues but also inclusivity of other minorities.\nSome of the chief plaintiffs in the affirmative action case before the SC are Asian Americans, not because they opposed Black students getting extra points compared to White students but because Asian students had admission points deducted from them for being Asian. There are deep fissures between Jewish Americans and African Americans as well. \nA decent candidate running on black liberation theology could easily spoil a democratic presidency in 2024.", ">\n\nHoly shit this is pure uncut hopium. \nDifference in opinion and attitudes isn’t a sign of impending conflict. Hell, even if it were, it really speaks to how much those voting blocks hate Republicans. \nI know, I know, I know, Kanye could do it or whatever, it’s ok.", ">\n\nDo you really think the long standing issues between these minority groups is really due to a difference of opinion? A Farrakhan type or endorsed candidate could easily spoil a tight election in 2024. They would likely need less than 2 percent of the vote in certain swing states. Biden already has declining approval among Black Americans. The bifurcated American Politics of \"Left vs. Right\" doesn't reflect reality.", ">\n\nIt reflects election results though. \nEvery voting block could break itself into atomized parties. You simultaneously believe these voting blocks don’t know their party doesn’t represent their objectives to the degree they would like. While also, believing these voters would form a new party when they realize that? \nYou’re just wish-casting a scenario where Kanye is politically viable. You can present it in the most mealy mouthed way possible, it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting at.", ">\n\nI'm not and zero. Index funds only for this guy.", ">\n\nAh so you don't even yield to the pretense of being okay with gay people", ">\n\nWhat are you talking about? I'm a gay man.", ">\n\nI'm a white male democrat in the south. I think sex is assigned at birth but gender is a social construct. Someone can be genetically male but feel like a female and it doesn't hurt me to call them her if that's what she wants to be called. It takes zero effort to be kind. \nNow the whole sports issue is valid imo but Republicans use it on bad faith arguments. The issue is complicated but just call people what they want to be called. It's not hard.", ">\n\nThere’s a difference between call people what they want and hate speech laws though. And that’s not even close to where the political issue stops.", ">\n\nWhat are you even on about. I'm talking about day to day interactions with trans people. I don't think I said anything wrong?", ">\n\nI don’t think you said anything wrong either. And i largely agree on the day to day interaction side. What I’m saying is that isn’t where any of this stops.", ">\n\nWell im 30 and just came out as gay to my first person. I just recently accepted it myself. So I'm still trying to learn and grow as a person. It's hard being from the deep south and not knowing any of this.", ">\n\nDont use this to divide. Most of you regardless of your background have deeply transphobic views. No community but our own is safe for us.", ">\n\nIs that a helpful comment, to accuse \"most\" of wholesale transphobia?", ">\n\nHow could you possibly come to the conclusion that the purpose of this poll is \"to try to invalidate trans identities\"?", ">\n\nIt's almost like they have larger issues to deal with...", ">\n\nyep, gop could 100% steal most of the black vote if they weren't racists", ">\n\nChristianity is a regressive force.", ">\n\ntruth", ">\n\nGood thing there’s no poor white people. Otherwise they could use this excuse too", ">\n\nI'll bet poor white people don't give af about pronouns either..", ">\n\nThat’s the point - it’s not an excuse…\nJust like being poor isn’t an excuse for being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc", ">\n\nWe see this play out regularly in Democratic primaries every four years. The Republican's social conservatism is extreme. Sometimes they make a half-hearted effort to appeal to black religious conservatives. They get very poor results. However, if Democrats nominate a white social liberal, black turnout could suffer. I hope we are spared an ugly future fight between Kamala Harris and someone like Buttigieg. The nominating process is too often a popularity contest. Democrats need to nominate someone who can win a general election. If you happen to like the strongest general election candidate, great. If we nominate the weaker candidate because they are more \"likeable,\" they will often lose a general election to the Republican.\nEdit: If you don't understand nuance, I need to state--This is only an opinion. It does not mean I like it.", ">\n\nI too hope Kamala and Pete are not our only options.", ">\n\nThe names were only used as an example. I fear that the primary voters will find a way to fuck it up, regardless of the candidates.", ">\n\nLet’s remember that Biden has been pretty clear in his support of trans people and was chosen by conservative black voters in SC. People are capable of choosing people they mostly agree with or think will be a good leader even if they don’t agree on all issues. I disagree with Biden on tons of stuff and did not vote for him in the primary, but he has been a very effective president. What this poll shows is that a lot of education is needed in all the communities surveyed and that will take time.", ">\n\nWhat a shock black people can be bigots too no matter how much they try and claim they can't be because of oppression.", ">\n\nYou cannot demand equality when it comes to race and and ethnicity and at the same time discriminate when it comes to sexual preference and identity. At least not if you're an honest, respectable person with integrity.", ">\n\nyou use 'can' in a descriptive way, I use it in a normative way", ">\n\nI see A LOT of white people talking about black folks in here.\nAnd there are A LOT of ASSUMPTIONS and GENERALIZATIONS too.\nSmh", ">\n\nHow exactly do you see a lot of skin color in an online forum with anonymous usernames and no avatars or personal photos?", ">\n\nMaybe I should correct myself and say a lot of NON BLACK people.\nI think it's pretty clear based on how people are speaking here.... \nBlack people are not some monolith group that can be categorized as such. We're ALL individuals with our own beliefs, values, and experiences.\nYet, I'm reading comments here saying \" Well no surprise, black people are pretty religious\".\" Black people are very socially conservative.\" \" Black people would vote Republican if it weren't obvious that they hated them\" ETC.\nExcuse me but wtf? To me at least as an obvious black person who isn't afraid to share their racial identity in this space, I know EXACTLY how non black people talk about us. Black people never generalize the group or other blacks like what's being said here.\nThe reality is most Black people are just as varied and diverse as anyone else in reality. And these generalizations aren't the answer at all.\nThe real answer to this question is that gender isn't a social construct, it's a reality. Blacks, having experienced 400 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow, having literally everything else as far as identity taken away from them KNOW this is fact. \nA man is a man and a woman is a woman no matter how you slice it. And there are natural differences within them both physiological and psychological and that is just the very genetic essence of the species.... (Yeah hermaphrodites exist but they are anomalies of nature that often die off fast and are infertile).\nWith that said, everyone can choose to do whatever and live life the way they want socially. But that doesn't change reality itself. And I think that's where A LOT of others get things mixed up.\nNow why is any of this relevant to me? Because I'm an agnostic and socially liberal black person, yet I still hold this belief despite it being considered \"conservative\" by folks here. And I'm FAR from the only black person who has commented here that breaks the highly upvoted generalization commented in this sub.\nAnd no, I have no interest in making legislation to hurt anyone. And to even see any comments even suggesting this idea, totally disregarding the history of American blacks as a suppressed and disenfranchised group is disgusting and laughable. \nThe vast majority of black folks, regardless of how religious or not or how liberal or conservative have absolutely no interest in hurting other people through legislation.....Come on...\nThere is so much groupthink here that any time that something doesn't fall in line with how people are TOLD to view things, that it's immediately viewed as a negative or a problem instead of what it really is, just a difference....", ">\n\nUnderstood. I see what you mean in that case. It’s very similar to those who commented on the midterms about the Hispanic/Mexican/Cuban voting bloc and how there is a Republican shift happening. But instead of looking at the voting results they attempted to make correlations with cause.", ">\n\nYet, Black people vote for Dems at higher rates than any other race. I’d say surveyors and pollsters might need to update their methodology.", ">\n\nPeople can believe this and not vote to discriminate against LBGTQ people.", ">\n\nI never understood how people can get so wrapped up in semantics. \nWe previously used sex and gender interchangeably, which wasn't really correct. Now, the two words are finally being used in the correct way: One is biological XX/XY and the other is a social definition. \nIt's as simple as that. JFC. Neither me or any of my liberal friends have any difficulty over this or are offended in any manner by saying there is a biological chromosomal sex difference. IT IS annoying when (predominantly right wing) people interchange the two words out of ignorance and then berate us for it. Yes, there can be many genders. No, there is only two sexes. Get over it. Stop your BS, dog whistle, victim mentality, fake culture war.", ">\n\nIt says Sex on my drivers license but people still want to put whatever letter they want. It’s not at all as simple as that.", ">\n\nThis is framing it wrong.\nThe better question is: why do you care?", ">\n\nWhy do you care is one of the most annoying arguments used in politics today", ">\n\nExactly. (Ask melania trump.)", ">\n\nQuestion, what is the breakdown of demographics by age of these black democrats? Are young black people more or less likely to be democrats / independents / or republicans? That was my immediate question, but i am also curious if black democrats support or oppose complete bans on transgender people. My assumption are that black democrats are a) older than other democrats (and thus more likely to be influenced by religion and prior social norms) b) more socially conservative c) disenfranchised (to the point that democratic messaging about transgender people directed towards them is non-existent).", ">\n\nNot really that surprising.\nBlack culture is still fairly unaccepting of LGBT as a whole (*In America), it's an ongoing cultural issue that's slowly changing but will take time. \nIn reality if Republicans put some actual effort into not fucking over black communities for a generation they'd probably be more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.", ">\n\nFirst world problems lol", ">\n\nI think we need to have the conversation that is 100% not anyone's business except the individual as to how they describe themselves. Of course, we need to have the conversation with the individual that gender at birth matters for health reasons of course but otherwise gender is a social construct except for reasons of biology.\nThe fact we even have to be concerned with \"rights\" for those who consider themselves transgender shows that there are a lot of people out there who feel they have rights to how others besides themselves label themselves. This is a sad state of affairs and little more than people trying to control the experiences of others outside themselves.", ">\n\nSeems like a pretty broad statement to make based on only a small sunset surveyed.", ">\n\nBlack peoples position on abortions for trans people in Taiwan (not China) ...... Ya I'm not touching that topic with a 10.5ft pole", ">\n\nInteresting result and in some cases they will go main stream", ">\n\nPeople have a right to vote in what they think is correct and agreeable to their values.", ">\n\nTbh all this article has shown me is fuck Republicans.", ">\n\nThis will probably not get noticed, but there is something wrong with that first chart. No way White is 72% while Rep is only 13%. And you can’t get majority of total saying it’s birth gender when the breakdown of race shows all but black show indicating gender can change.", ">\n\nThis is not new information, anyone who’s spent time around black democrats or black people and general will realize this", ">\n\nAh, makes sense why conservatives are going so hard on this issue lately. It plays well with their base and they are desperate to break up the black voting bloc to have a better chance in future elections.", ">\n\nThis is why it’s unsurprising that the democrats are losing black voters to the GOP (although not a lot overall) at a faster and faster rate as the GOP reverts to LGBT issues as their primary wedge issue.\nBlack communities overall are conservative and religious. The only reason they vote Democrat largely is because of the fact that the GOP is full of out and proud racists. That’s it. If the GOP dropped racism from their platform, a large section of the black community would vote GOP within 10 years", ">\n\nThis is well known to most except for the most liberal of white Dems. They think civil rights are a monolith and a unifying cause for all blue voters.\nIt’s not at all. Not all people of color are that one girl from your class in college. There are many many regressive views held in these communities and as a party, the Dems realize this.\nHence no progressive nominee for president.", ">\n\nOh wow, what a revelation. Democrats disagree, when Democrats have always disagreed. The Republicans are the Party of the wealthy and well connected mono thought. The Democrats are everyone else, so of course they disagree. As Will Rogers once remarked, \"I'm not a member of any organized political Party, I'm a Democrat!", ">\n\nBut they want the same progressive gains that gay people largely worked for on their own, and at the same time they badmouth gay and lesbian people they sure are happy to take our money whenever it comes to county programs and services funded by taxpayers, and we gay people do pay taxes. \nI’ve had to get on board by supporting everyone. I’ve heard many, many times from non-gay black people that I as a Native American gay woman am ‘dead weight’ because I can’t do anything for them politically. \nI’m sick of being treated like this and at the same time being forced to respect people who often don’t feel that’s a two way street. You want to reap the benefits of our work then suit up, show up & treat us with the same dignity and respect you’d expect to receive.", ">\n\nWhat’s really frustrating is that a lot of the most vocal support for gay/ trans rights has come from black members of that community because they KNOW THE SCORE. They see what it takes firsthand but so many of the rest of the black community is so deep in religion that there’s no way out for these social issues.", ">\n\nWell yeah no shit. Black people get robbed of good education in this country and shit education makes people socially conservative.", ">\n\nAre you saying that black people are dumb?", ">\n\nNo? Can you engage with what I said without trying to strawman me to make me look bad?\nThe lower level of education someone has, the more statistically likely they are to be queerphobic. Black people historically have way less access to education in this country. It's a very simple set of correlations.", ">\n\nReligion is why. Always been the case.", ">\n\nthey are smart.", ">\n\nOne's DNA determines One's gender." ]

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[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\"." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto.", ">\n\nIf you squint and look hard, its written in microscopic letters on the state flag as well." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto.", ">\n\nIf you squint and look hard, its written in microscopic letters on the state flag as well.", ">\n\nTranslation: “Elon really did a number on pissing off California’s liberal base. We need to move it to an area with a high concentration of Republicans that are currently riding his pole like a stripper in stilettos if we have any chance of winning.”" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto.", ">\n\nIf you squint and look hard, its written in microscopic letters on the state flag as well.", ">\n\nTranslation: “Elon really did a number on pissing off California’s liberal base. We need to move it to an area with a high concentration of Republicans that are currently riding his pole like a stripper in stilettos if we have any chance of winning.”", ">\n\nAin’t just “local” pal." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto.", ">\n\nIf you squint and look hard, its written in microscopic letters on the state flag as well.", ">\n\nTranslation: “Elon really did a number on pissing off California’s liberal base. We need to move it to an area with a high concentration of Republicans that are currently riding his pole like a stripper in stilettos if we have any chance of winning.”", ">\n\nAin’t just “local” pal.", ">\n\nI wish I was rich enough to move my trials to courts that have a better chance of agreeing with me" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto.", ">\n\nIf you squint and look hard, its written in microscopic letters on the state flag as well.", ">\n\nTranslation: “Elon really did a number on pissing off California’s liberal base. We need to move it to an area with a high concentration of Republicans that are currently riding his pole like a stripper in stilettos if we have any chance of winning.”", ">\n\nAin’t just “local” pal.", ">\n\nI wish I was rich enough to move my trials to courts that have a better chance of agreeing with me", ">\n\ntoo freaking bad Elon. You treat my community like shite. Now face the consequences you detestable little worm" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto.", ">\n\nIf you squint and look hard, its written in microscopic letters on the state flag as well.", ">\n\nTranslation: “Elon really did a number on pissing off California’s liberal base. We need to move it to an area with a high concentration of Republicans that are currently riding his pole like a stripper in stilettos if we have any chance of winning.”", ">\n\nAin’t just “local” pal.", ">\n\nI wish I was rich enough to move my trials to courts that have a better chance of agreeing with me", ">\n\ntoo freaking bad Elon. You treat my community like shite. Now face the consequences you detestable little worm", ">\n\nHe's definitely one of those creatures like a snail or hermit crab that has to crawl into another's hard shell to have any spine." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto.", ">\n\nIf you squint and look hard, its written in microscopic letters on the state flag as well.", ">\n\nTranslation: “Elon really did a number on pissing off California’s liberal base. We need to move it to an area with a high concentration of Republicans that are currently riding his pole like a stripper in stilettos if we have any chance of winning.”", ">\n\nAin’t just “local” pal.", ">\n\nI wish I was rich enough to move my trials to courts that have a better chance of agreeing with me", ">\n\ntoo freaking bad Elon. You treat my community like shite. Now face the consequences you detestable little worm", ">\n\nHe's definitely one of those creatures like a snail or hermit crab that has to crawl into another's hard shell to have any spine.", ">\n\nAll future business leaders should be watching this. Trolling on social media looks like it creates big quick gains for a famous person.\nBut a cost is that they have to request trials moved to whole other states because trolling causes massive collateral damage that will come calling eventually.\nHis PR strat past 6 years has been like game companies and loot boxes during the 2010s. Massive short term gains, but the festering resentment caused by it will make business SO much harder in 10 years." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto.", ">\n\nIf you squint and look hard, its written in microscopic letters on the state flag as well.", ">\n\nTranslation: “Elon really did a number on pissing off California’s liberal base. We need to move it to an area with a high concentration of Republicans that are currently riding his pole like a stripper in stilettos if we have any chance of winning.”", ">\n\nAin’t just “local” pal.", ">\n\nI wish I was rich enough to move my trials to courts that have a better chance of agreeing with me", ">\n\ntoo freaking bad Elon. You treat my community like shite. Now face the consequences you detestable little worm", ">\n\nHe's definitely one of those creatures like a snail or hermit crab that has to crawl into another's hard shell to have any spine.", ">\n\nAll future business leaders should be watching this. Trolling on social media looks like it creates big quick gains for a famous person.\nBut a cost is that they have to request trials moved to whole other states because trolling causes massive collateral damage that will come calling eventually.\nHis PR strat past 6 years has been like game companies and loot boxes during the 2010s. Massive short term gains, but the festering resentment caused by it will make business SO much harder in 10 years.", ">\n\nYeah this is why people who say \"There's no such thing as bad publicity\" are so fucking stupid\nThe money you can grift short term off of going viral disappears really fast, the bridges you burn with people by insulting them and fucking them over last a lifetime" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto.", ">\n\nIf you squint and look hard, its written in microscopic letters on the state flag as well.", ">\n\nTranslation: “Elon really did a number on pissing off California’s liberal base. We need to move it to an area with a high concentration of Republicans that are currently riding his pole like a stripper in stilettos if we have any chance of winning.”", ">\n\nAin’t just “local” pal.", ">\n\nI wish I was rich enough to move my trials to courts that have a better chance of agreeing with me", ">\n\ntoo freaking bad Elon. You treat my community like shite. Now face the consequences you detestable little worm", ">\n\nHe's definitely one of those creatures like a snail or hermit crab that has to crawl into another's hard shell to have any spine.", ">\n\nAll future business leaders should be watching this. Trolling on social media looks like it creates big quick gains for a famous person.\nBut a cost is that they have to request trials moved to whole other states because trolling causes massive collateral damage that will come calling eventually.\nHis PR strat past 6 years has been like game companies and loot boxes during the 2010s. Massive short term gains, but the festering resentment caused by it will make business SO much harder in 10 years.", ">\n\nYeah this is why people who say \"There's no such thing as bad publicity\" are so fucking stupid\nThe money you can grift short term off of going viral disappears really fast, the bridges you burn with people by insulting them and fucking them over last a lifetime", ">\n\n\"Man lacking discipline who doesn't take 'no' for an answer upset people who know that will judge him.\"" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto.", ">\n\nIf you squint and look hard, its written in microscopic letters on the state flag as well.", ">\n\nTranslation: “Elon really did a number on pissing off California’s liberal base. We need to move it to an area with a high concentration of Republicans that are currently riding his pole like a stripper in stilettos if we have any chance of winning.”", ">\n\nAin’t just “local” pal.", ">\n\nI wish I was rich enough to move my trials to courts that have a better chance of agreeing with me", ">\n\ntoo freaking bad Elon. You treat my community like shite. Now face the consequences you detestable little worm", ">\n\nHe's definitely one of those creatures like a snail or hermit crab that has to crawl into another's hard shell to have any spine.", ">\n\nAll future business leaders should be watching this. Trolling on social media looks like it creates big quick gains for a famous person.\nBut a cost is that they have to request trials moved to whole other states because trolling causes massive collateral damage that will come calling eventually.\nHis PR strat past 6 years has been like game companies and loot boxes during the 2010s. Massive short term gains, but the festering resentment caused by it will make business SO much harder in 10 years.", ">\n\nYeah this is why people who say \"There's no such thing as bad publicity\" are so fucking stupid\nThe money you can grift short term off of going viral disappears really fast, the bridges you burn with people by insulting them and fucking them over last a lifetime", ">\n\n\"Man lacking discipline who doesn't take 'no' for an answer upset people who know that will judge him.\"", ">\n\nNow, if he himself could just keep on moving all the way back to the hole he crawled out of, THAT would be nice." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto.", ">\n\nIf you squint and look hard, its written in microscopic letters on the state flag as well.", ">\n\nTranslation: “Elon really did a number on pissing off California’s liberal base. We need to move it to an area with a high concentration of Republicans that are currently riding his pole like a stripper in stilettos if we have any chance of winning.”", ">\n\nAin’t just “local” pal.", ">\n\nI wish I was rich enough to move my trials to courts that have a better chance of agreeing with me", ">\n\ntoo freaking bad Elon. You treat my community like shite. Now face the consequences you detestable little worm", ">\n\nHe's definitely one of those creatures like a snail or hermit crab that has to crawl into another's hard shell to have any spine.", ">\n\nAll future business leaders should be watching this. Trolling on social media looks like it creates big quick gains for a famous person.\nBut a cost is that they have to request trials moved to whole other states because trolling causes massive collateral damage that will come calling eventually.\nHis PR strat past 6 years has been like game companies and loot boxes during the 2010s. Massive short term gains, but the festering resentment caused by it will make business SO much harder in 10 years.", ">\n\nYeah this is why people who say \"There's no such thing as bad publicity\" are so fucking stupid\nThe money you can grift short term off of going viral disappears really fast, the bridges you burn with people by insulting them and fucking them over last a lifetime", ">\n\n\"Man lacking discipline who doesn't take 'no' for an answer upset people who know that will judge him.\"", ">\n\nNow, if he himself could just keep on moving all the way back to the hole he crawled out of, THAT would be nice.", ">\n\nOr climb into a capsule and start colonizing Mars" ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto.", ">\n\nIf you squint and look hard, its written in microscopic letters on the state flag as well.", ">\n\nTranslation: “Elon really did a number on pissing off California’s liberal base. We need to move it to an area with a high concentration of Republicans that are currently riding his pole like a stripper in stilettos if we have any chance of winning.”", ">\n\nAin’t just “local” pal.", ">\n\nI wish I was rich enough to move my trials to courts that have a better chance of agreeing with me", ">\n\ntoo freaking bad Elon. You treat my community like shite. Now face the consequences you detestable little worm", ">\n\nHe's definitely one of those creatures like a snail or hermit crab that has to crawl into another's hard shell to have any spine.", ">\n\nAll future business leaders should be watching this. Trolling on social media looks like it creates big quick gains for a famous person.\nBut a cost is that they have to request trials moved to whole other states because trolling causes massive collateral damage that will come calling eventually.\nHis PR strat past 6 years has been like game companies and loot boxes during the 2010s. Massive short term gains, but the festering resentment caused by it will make business SO much harder in 10 years.", ">\n\nYeah this is why people who say \"There's no such thing as bad publicity\" are so fucking stupid\nThe money you can grift short term off of going viral disappears really fast, the bridges you burn with people by insulting them and fucking them over last a lifetime", ">\n\n\"Man lacking discipline who doesn't take 'no' for an answer upset people who know that will judge him.\"", ">\n\nNow, if he himself could just keep on moving all the way back to the hole he crawled out of, THAT would be nice.", ">\n\nOr climb into a capsule and start colonizing Mars", ">\n\nThis would actually be cool to see." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto.", ">\n\nIf you squint and look hard, its written in microscopic letters on the state flag as well.", ">\n\nTranslation: “Elon really did a number on pissing off California’s liberal base. We need to move it to an area with a high concentration of Republicans that are currently riding his pole like a stripper in stilettos if we have any chance of winning.”", ">\n\nAin’t just “local” pal.", ">\n\nI wish I was rich enough to move my trials to courts that have a better chance of agreeing with me", ">\n\ntoo freaking bad Elon. You treat my community like shite. Now face the consequences you detestable little worm", ">\n\nHe's definitely one of those creatures like a snail or hermit crab that has to crawl into another's hard shell to have any spine.", ">\n\nAll future business leaders should be watching this. Trolling on social media looks like it creates big quick gains for a famous person.\nBut a cost is that they have to request trials moved to whole other states because trolling causes massive collateral damage that will come calling eventually.\nHis PR strat past 6 years has been like game companies and loot boxes during the 2010s. Massive short term gains, but the festering resentment caused by it will make business SO much harder in 10 years.", ">\n\nYeah this is why people who say \"There's no such thing as bad publicity\" are so fucking stupid\nThe money you can grift short term off of going viral disappears really fast, the bridges you burn with people by insulting them and fucking them over last a lifetime", ">\n\n\"Man lacking discipline who doesn't take 'no' for an answer upset people who know that will judge him.\"", ">\n\nNow, if he himself could just keep on moving all the way back to the hole he crawled out of, THAT would be nice.", ">\n\nOr climb into a capsule and start colonizing Mars", ">\n\nThis would actually be cool to see.", ">\n\nNot really, I don't want Mars to end up being polluted with the corpses of rich morons treating a whole planet like Galt's Gultch." ]

[ "You mean he wants preferential treatment in court.", ">\n\nThe phrase in the business is “forum shopping.”", ">\n\nI just remember in civil procedure when we got to this section my prof slapped up a meme of \"Get in losers, we're going forum shopping\"", ">\n\nThat was one of my first law school memes. Classic.", ">\n\nLaw school memes kept me alive those three years lmao.", ">\n\nOne does not simply understand the rules against perpetuity LOTR meme", ">\n\nbut what if walking into mordor takes 21 years longer then the life of any party in being?", ">\n\nAlso WHAT ABOUT THE ELVES!!!???!? So many fertile octogenarians.", ">\n\nImagine being the CEO of an electric car company, one of the first ones known for being on the ground floor of a movement the entirety of California is on board with and pushing for... and managing to make them hate you. Good job, Elon.", ">\n\nSort of a pattern with the guy. Did the same thing with starlink in Ukraine - got them set up and using it, was lauded for the tech and his assistance in fighting the war - people loved him for it. Then he flushed all that goodwill down the drain by saying they weren't going to provide access/funding to Ukraine anymore. He eventually backtracked but the damage was done, he can't just leave well enough alone.", ">\n\nHe's gotten it down to an art with Twitter. From 0 to hate in record time.", ">\n\nReinstated Michael Flynn's account on Jan. 6th, specifically. He's no longer even being subtle with the right-wing trolling anymore.", ">\n\nGood thing for Teslas investors that oil loving Republicans buy EVs eh?", ">\n\nHoly fuck am I glad I dumped my Tesla stock like a year ago.", ">\n\nI still haven’t dumped mine because I haven’t gotten around to it and I’m not proactive lol. Maybe they’ll oust him and it’ll come back up? Probably not but I can dream…", ">\n\nLet's be real man, it's never going back up. Tesla has been massively overvalued since 2020, Musk's bullshittery just sped up the correction.", ">\n\nToo true. There are so many videos floating around about how shitty the Tesla build quality is, which is honestly when I should have sold. I only have like one or two stocks so I’m not too hugely in the hole.. :/", ">\n\nAlso Full Self Driving is still crap. Many complaints on YouTube about it yet it now costs $15,000.", ">\n\nShouldn’t be too big of a surprise. It was the California investors and subsidies that basically created Teslas success…and then he jumped ship and ran to Texas.", ">\n\nTo avoid the taxes that California imposed that gave him the opportunity for Tesla to succeed to begin with.", ">\n\nYep typical rich asshole who’s wants to remove the ladder after he finished climbing it.", ">\n\nThe secret of becoming a billionaire is to find every possible opportunity to get people to give you their money in anticipation of future rewards and then not pay them back", ">\n\nAlso, be born rich.", ">\n\nOr have your parents own an emerald mine, that helps too", ">\n\nIt also helps to be raised by the kind of piece of shit that would marry your daughter and treat people like modern-day slaves because of government supported apartheid. Like father like son.", ">\n\nI’m sure he gets management advice from his dad….seems obvious to me", ">\n\nThat's one thing that I would be very surprised if he did. He hates his father from everything I can tell. But he's become his father too- duplicitous, manipulative, extractive. But he also has the insecurity of a child who was actively neglected and rejected by his father.", ">\n\nHe needs to get fucked but he’s probably too soft…..as he tries to look hard on Twitter", ">\n\nWhat's the point of a jury of peers if you get to choose the region", ">\n\nHe’s trying to make the argument that the jury pool is SO sullied by the negative publicity from his actions that there’s no way he can get a fair trial.\nThat’s bullshit in my opinion but his attorneys are trying to procure the best possible outcome for their client. Here’s hoping the judge sees through this BS.", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”\n\nPoor little Musk, nobody likes him based on his actions.", ">\n\nI thought he was a free speech absolutist?", ">\n\nNo, he's a free speech conservative. You know what that means.", ">\n\nI like this term. Should be used more widely.", ">\n\nHe didn’t realize people don’t like him until a whole auditorium booed at him. He’s that much of a self embellished narcissist.", ">\n\nAnd then on Twitter he tried to spin it as though it's just because San Francisco is full of far left socialist activists (at a Dave Chappelle comedy show)", ">\n\nI really didn't understand Dave's play there. What did he expect to happen? He brings out the DEFINITIVE detached rich white asshole, and the audience would fawn over him just by the sheer force of his presence alone?\nI think Dave forgot where he came from.", ">\n\nI think he's just been under a rock (called privilege) for many years and thought Elon would get the same celebrity worship response he would've gotten five years ago", ">\n\nGeorge Clooney has been richer longer than Dave has. Clooney uses his money to help people in Sudan. Dave Chappelle is just a dick.", ">\n\nBeing rich just means the rock exists for you, it's still your choice whether to crawl under it and stay there", ">\n\n\"Our client has been such an utterly vile piece of shit, than an entire state of 30-some million people detest him that much, your honor. Meanwhile, he's been throwing around a lot of bribe money to make himself look better than the scumbag he truly is, so we want to move the trial so that he is not harmed by himself.\" – His lawyers", ">\n\nOh “shut the door “. On the button", ">\n\n\nSpiro added in the filing that the “negativity toward Mr. Musk was not isolated to the press.” He said there are regular protests and picketing activity in front of Musk’s offices in San Francisco, adding that some are “endorsed and encouraged by local political figures.”.”\n\nRelated Please like me", ">\n\nLol. Rich Afrikaner doesnt like the locals.", ">\n\nCan we move his trial to South Africa?", ">\n\nHis mom is originally from Canada, I wonder how popular he is there\n(I know he's extremely hated in the UK, because the cave rescue guy he called a pedo was a British citizen and the UK press covered that trial extensively, and really emphasized that Elon only won the case because it was in the US)", ">\n\ncanadian here, didnt mind him at first, then he went nuts so... yeah not a huge fan anymore", ">\n\nReminder that his maternal grandfather moved his family from Canada to South Africa for \"political and moral\" reasons", ">\n\nAnyone who leaves Canada has serious issues. Full stop.", ">\n\nHe's going to spend the rest of his life in court and the rest of his fortune on lawyers.", ">\n\n\nIn a motion to transfer venue, attorneys representing Tesla and Musk argue that the CEO has garnered extensive and negative publicity in California after taking over a San Francisco-based social media company, Twitter, in October 2022.\n\nWhat a shitshow. Used Twitter to manipulate Tesla's stock, now wants to sever himself from it.", ">\n\nHe did it several times. This was just the most high profile. His constant lies about their cash position, deliveries and production were all designed to keep the stock up or inflate it. Had the truth been known the stock would have dropped before the point where a lot of debt would have been converted to equity.\nIt's one of the biggest failures in SEC history.", ">\n\nThey NEED to put a lifetime trading ban on him. He is the picking poster child for stock manipulation", ">\n\nThey let him off with a $40 million fine last time on the condition that he stop personally tweeting and from now on have his tweets be vetted by Tesla's PR and legal team\nAnd in response he fired Tesla's PR team and literally bought Twitter", ">\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure this is universal negativity. Everyone has heard stories, everyone thinks he's an arse.\nSuck it up.", ">\n\nHe's still got his simps. My coworker just the other day was talking about like he was a god. Insane.", ">\n\nDid you tell your coworker that idol worship shows a lack of independent critical thinking?", ">\n\nNah I didn't bother. He's an old, coked out, trust fund degenerate. Every time I see him he's got fox and friends on blast. he also thinks tucker Carlson is a \"genius\".", ">\n\nSounds like most conservatives these days except for the trust fund part.", ">\n\nLol, “Your Honor, unless the jury is full of assholes, I’m gonna lose!”\nGood luck Elon.", ">\n\nI move for a bad court thingy.", ">\n\nPerhaps all publicity isn't actually good publicity?", ">\n\nHe wants his trial where no one knows what a douche he is! How ‘bout Mars man-child?", ">\n\nI can confidently say that there's not a single human on Mars who doesn't know what a douche he is.", ">\n\naah, it's the trumpian way of shopping for judges. even though he's no longer the richest person on the planet, I'm sure there's some nugget Texas judge he can buy.", ">\n\nIt warms my heart to see more and more people turn against this fraud.", ">\n\nso after he stopped paying employees, then stopped paying rent (a.k.a. going 'full trump') and he's like \"can i go somewhere else? nobody likes me here\"", ">\n\nYep, also a Trump characteristic.", ">\n\nYour honor this isn’t fair, we won’t win in California.", ">\n\nIn other words \"Texas allows rich to avoid accountability\"", ">\n\nThat is their state motto.", ">\n\nIf you squint and look hard, its written in microscopic letters on the state flag as well.", ">\n\nTranslation: “Elon really did a number on pissing off California’s liberal base. We need to move it to an area with a high concentration of Republicans that are currently riding his pole like a stripper in stilettos if we have any chance of winning.”", ">\n\nAin’t just “local” pal.", ">\n\nI wish I was rich enough to move my trials to courts that have a better chance of agreeing with me", ">\n\ntoo freaking bad Elon. You treat my community like shite. Now face the consequences you detestable little worm", ">\n\nHe's definitely one of those creatures like a snail or hermit crab that has to crawl into another's hard shell to have any spine.", ">\n\nAll future business leaders should be watching this. Trolling on social media looks like it creates big quick gains for a famous person.\nBut a cost is that they have to request trials moved to whole other states because trolling causes massive collateral damage that will come calling eventually.\nHis PR strat past 6 years has been like game companies and loot boxes during the 2010s. Massive short term gains, but the festering resentment caused by it will make business SO much harder in 10 years.", ">\n\nYeah this is why people who say \"There's no such thing as bad publicity\" are so fucking stupid\nThe money you can grift short term off of going viral disappears really fast, the bridges you burn with people by insulting them and fucking them over last a lifetime", ">\n\n\"Man lacking discipline who doesn't take 'no' for an answer upset people who know that will judge him.\"", ">\n\nNow, if he himself could just keep on moving all the way back to the hole he crawled out of, THAT would be nice.", ">\n\nOr climb into a capsule and start colonizing Mars", ">\n\nThis would actually be cool to see.", ">\n\nNot really, I don't want Mars to end up being polluted with the corpses of rich morons treating a whole planet like Galt's Gultch.", ">\n\nElon: Also can you make the jurists crazy rightwing conspiracy theorists?" ]