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[ "It started in China with those deadly scenes from overcrowded hospitals.\nIt's mind boggling how utterly unprepared Cina is and COVID is hitting back at them exactly 3 years later.\nGuess the Coronavirus refused to stick to the government plans." ]

[ "It started in China with those deadly scenes from overcrowded hospitals.\nIt's mind boggling how utterly unprepared Cina is and COVID is hitting back at them exactly 3 years later.\nGuess the Coronavirus refused to stick to the government plans.", ">\n\n? \nhavent been paying attention to china news lately?\nChina was undergoing unprecidented nationwide protests over its \"zero covid\" policy. some of the largest protests it has seen in recent memory. Eventually the government relaxed the policy finally about a month or two ago. \nBecause Xi and the chinese government highly politicized and propagandized against western vaccines early on when Sinovax came around. most Chinese citizens absolutely refuse to trust western vaccines. this is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly.\nIt turns out Sinovax is FAR less effective than whats found in the west. as such many chinese citizens lack immunity and are especially vulnerable to all the newer strains that developed since the beggining of the pandemic...\nthis has created this \"perfect storm\" that china now finds itself in. with 37 million new cases being diagnosed per day. China lacks the medical facilities to deal with this level of infection as well. so were quite possibly seeing the beggining of another humongous health crisis.\nedits: grammer and some extra sentances." ]

[ "It started in China with those deadly scenes from overcrowded hospitals.\nIt's mind boggling how utterly unprepared Cina is and COVID is hitting back at them exactly 3 years later.\nGuess the Coronavirus refused to stick to the government plans.", ">\n\n? \nhavent been paying attention to china news lately?\nChina was undergoing unprecidented nationwide protests over its \"zero covid\" policy. some of the largest protests it has seen in recent memory. Eventually the government relaxed the policy finally about a month or two ago. \nBecause Xi and the chinese government highly politicized and propagandized against western vaccines early on when Sinovax came around. most Chinese citizens absolutely refuse to trust western vaccines. this is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly.\nIt turns out Sinovax is FAR less effective than whats found in the west. as such many chinese citizens lack immunity and are especially vulnerable to all the newer strains that developed since the beggining of the pandemic...\nthis has created this \"perfect storm\" that china now finds itself in. with 37 million new cases being diagnosed per day. China lacks the medical facilities to deal with this level of infection as well. so were quite possibly seeing the beggining of another humongous health crisis.\nedits: grammer and some extra sentances.", ">\n\n\nthis is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly\n\nAdd multiple issues with domestic produced vaccines" ]

[ "It started in China with those deadly scenes from overcrowded hospitals.\nIt's mind boggling how utterly unprepared Cina is and COVID is hitting back at them exactly 3 years later.\nGuess the Coronavirus refused to stick to the government plans.", ">\n\n? \nhavent been paying attention to china news lately?\nChina was undergoing unprecidented nationwide protests over its \"zero covid\" policy. some of the largest protests it has seen in recent memory. Eventually the government relaxed the policy finally about a month or two ago. \nBecause Xi and the chinese government highly politicized and propagandized against western vaccines early on when Sinovax came around. most Chinese citizens absolutely refuse to trust western vaccines. this is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly.\nIt turns out Sinovax is FAR less effective than whats found in the west. as such many chinese citizens lack immunity and are especially vulnerable to all the newer strains that developed since the beggining of the pandemic...\nthis has created this \"perfect storm\" that china now finds itself in. with 37 million new cases being diagnosed per day. China lacks the medical facilities to deal with this level of infection as well. so were quite possibly seeing the beggining of another humongous health crisis.\nedits: grammer and some extra sentances.", ">\n\n\nthis is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly\n\nAdd multiple issues with domestic produced vaccines", ">\n\nThe frustrating thing is that China waited until it got hit hard by a Covid wave to decide that now is the time to relax a lot of its travel restrictions ... which is hard to read as anything but a move to placate domestic unrest, which has begun to simmer recently, at the expense of the health of many people worldwide.\nThey could have relaxed their zero covid policies domestically and wait until the wave got reasonably contained while ramping up vaccinations before opening up travel but ... here we are, and it's hard to see it as anything but a cynical play for the domestic audience. And then of course, now that countries are asking inbound travelers for Covid tests, they get to play the discrimination card and gin up more public support." ]

[ "It started in China with those deadly scenes from overcrowded hospitals.\nIt's mind boggling how utterly unprepared Cina is and COVID is hitting back at them exactly 3 years later.\nGuess the Coronavirus refused to stick to the government plans.", ">\n\n? \nhavent been paying attention to china news lately?\nChina was undergoing unprecidented nationwide protests over its \"zero covid\" policy. some of the largest protests it has seen in recent memory. Eventually the government relaxed the policy finally about a month or two ago. \nBecause Xi and the chinese government highly politicized and propagandized against western vaccines early on when Sinovax came around. most Chinese citizens absolutely refuse to trust western vaccines. this is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly.\nIt turns out Sinovax is FAR less effective than whats found in the west. as such many chinese citizens lack immunity and are especially vulnerable to all the newer strains that developed since the beggining of the pandemic...\nthis has created this \"perfect storm\" that china now finds itself in. with 37 million new cases being diagnosed per day. China lacks the medical facilities to deal with this level of infection as well. so were quite possibly seeing the beggining of another humongous health crisis.\nedits: grammer and some extra sentances.", ">\n\n\nthis is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly\n\nAdd multiple issues with domestic produced vaccines", ">\n\nThe frustrating thing is that China waited until it got hit hard by a Covid wave to decide that now is the time to relax a lot of its travel restrictions ... which is hard to read as anything but a move to placate domestic unrest, which has begun to simmer recently, at the expense of the health of many people worldwide.\nThey could have relaxed their zero covid policies domestically and wait until the wave got reasonably contained while ramping up vaccinations before opening up travel but ... here we are, and it's hard to see it as anything but a cynical play for the domestic audience. And then of course, now that countries are asking inbound travelers for Covid tests, they get to play the discrimination card and gin up more public support.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there was an outbreak in China, China tried to contain it, the people protested the lockdowns and wanted the restrictions lifted, so the government lifted them.\nDid you forget how this very same sub cheered on those protestors and told China to give them their freedom?" ]

[ "It started in China with those deadly scenes from overcrowded hospitals.\nIt's mind boggling how utterly unprepared Cina is and COVID is hitting back at them exactly 3 years later.\nGuess the Coronavirus refused to stick to the government plans.", ">\n\n? \nhavent been paying attention to china news lately?\nChina was undergoing unprecidented nationwide protests over its \"zero covid\" policy. some of the largest protests it has seen in recent memory. Eventually the government relaxed the policy finally about a month or two ago. \nBecause Xi and the chinese government highly politicized and propagandized against western vaccines early on when Sinovax came around. most Chinese citizens absolutely refuse to trust western vaccines. this is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly.\nIt turns out Sinovax is FAR less effective than whats found in the west. as such many chinese citizens lack immunity and are especially vulnerable to all the newer strains that developed since the beggining of the pandemic...\nthis has created this \"perfect storm\" that china now finds itself in. with 37 million new cases being diagnosed per day. China lacks the medical facilities to deal with this level of infection as well. so were quite possibly seeing the beggining of another humongous health crisis.\nedits: grammer and some extra sentances.", ">\n\n\nthis is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly\n\nAdd multiple issues with domestic produced vaccines", ">\n\nThe frustrating thing is that China waited until it got hit hard by a Covid wave to decide that now is the time to relax a lot of its travel restrictions ... which is hard to read as anything but a move to placate domestic unrest, which has begun to simmer recently, at the expense of the health of many people worldwide.\nThey could have relaxed their zero covid policies domestically and wait until the wave got reasonably contained while ramping up vaccinations before opening up travel but ... here we are, and it's hard to see it as anything but a cynical play for the domestic audience. And then of course, now that countries are asking inbound travelers for Covid tests, they get to play the discrimination card and gin up more public support.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there was an outbreak in China, China tried to contain it, the people protested the lockdowns and wanted the restrictions lifted, so the government lifted them.\nDid you forget how this very same sub cheered on those protestors and told China to give them their freedom?", ">\n\nPeople weren't protesting (or supporting) the COVID restrictions, stop acting like this was some casual mask mandate in your local rural county.\nPeople were forced by the military to stay inside. Never mind if you needed groceries. Never mind if you needed medicine, or a medical emergency occurred.\nThey forced people to LIVE AT THEIR WORKPLACE. Can't leave. Sleep on the floor. Relatives at home? Too bad.\nThe people were protesting the awful response tactics of their government, not COVID as a whole.\nThe fact that you can't even see the difference is troubling." ]

[ "It started in China with those deadly scenes from overcrowded hospitals.\nIt's mind boggling how utterly unprepared Cina is and COVID is hitting back at them exactly 3 years later.\nGuess the Coronavirus refused to stick to the government plans.", ">\n\n? \nhavent been paying attention to china news lately?\nChina was undergoing unprecidented nationwide protests over its \"zero covid\" policy. some of the largest protests it has seen in recent memory. Eventually the government relaxed the policy finally about a month or two ago. \nBecause Xi and the chinese government highly politicized and propagandized against western vaccines early on when Sinovax came around. most Chinese citizens absolutely refuse to trust western vaccines. this is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly.\nIt turns out Sinovax is FAR less effective than whats found in the west. as such many chinese citizens lack immunity and are especially vulnerable to all the newer strains that developed since the beggining of the pandemic...\nthis has created this \"perfect storm\" that china now finds itself in. with 37 million new cases being diagnosed per day. China lacks the medical facilities to deal with this level of infection as well. so were quite possibly seeing the beggining of another humongous health crisis.\nedits: grammer and some extra sentances.", ">\n\n\nthis is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly\n\nAdd multiple issues with domestic produced vaccines", ">\n\nThe frustrating thing is that China waited until it got hit hard by a Covid wave to decide that now is the time to relax a lot of its travel restrictions ... which is hard to read as anything but a move to placate domestic unrest, which has begun to simmer recently, at the expense of the health of many people worldwide.\nThey could have relaxed their zero covid policies domestically and wait until the wave got reasonably contained while ramping up vaccinations before opening up travel but ... here we are, and it's hard to see it as anything but a cynical play for the domestic audience. And then of course, now that countries are asking inbound travelers for Covid tests, they get to play the discrimination card and gin up more public support.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there was an outbreak in China, China tried to contain it, the people protested the lockdowns and wanted the restrictions lifted, so the government lifted them.\nDid you forget how this very same sub cheered on those protestors and told China to give them their freedom?", ">\n\nPeople weren't protesting (or supporting) the COVID restrictions, stop acting like this was some casual mask mandate in your local rural county.\nPeople were forced by the military to stay inside. Never mind if you needed groceries. Never mind if you needed medicine, or a medical emergency occurred.\nThey forced people to LIVE AT THEIR WORKPLACE. Can't leave. Sleep on the floor. Relatives at home? Too bad.\nThe people were protesting the awful response tactics of their government, not COVID as a whole.\nThe fact that you can't even see the difference is troubling.", ">\n\nHow does any of what you say change the fact that China relaxed restrictions due to the fact that people were protesting against them not because they wanted to fuck with the rest of the world like people are saying?" ]

[ "It started in China with those deadly scenes from overcrowded hospitals.\nIt's mind boggling how utterly unprepared Cina is and COVID is hitting back at them exactly 3 years later.\nGuess the Coronavirus refused to stick to the government plans.", ">\n\n? \nhavent been paying attention to china news lately?\nChina was undergoing unprecidented nationwide protests over its \"zero covid\" policy. some of the largest protests it has seen in recent memory. Eventually the government relaxed the policy finally about a month or two ago. \nBecause Xi and the chinese government highly politicized and propagandized against western vaccines early on when Sinovax came around. most Chinese citizens absolutely refuse to trust western vaccines. this is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly.\nIt turns out Sinovax is FAR less effective than whats found in the west. as such many chinese citizens lack immunity and are especially vulnerable to all the newer strains that developed since the beggining of the pandemic...\nthis has created this \"perfect storm\" that china now finds itself in. with 37 million new cases being diagnosed per day. China lacks the medical facilities to deal with this level of infection as well. so were quite possibly seeing the beggining of another humongous health crisis.\nedits: grammer and some extra sentances.", ">\n\n\nthis is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly\n\nAdd multiple issues with domestic produced vaccines", ">\n\nThe frustrating thing is that China waited until it got hit hard by a Covid wave to decide that now is the time to relax a lot of its travel restrictions ... which is hard to read as anything but a move to placate domestic unrest, which has begun to simmer recently, at the expense of the health of many people worldwide.\nThey could have relaxed their zero covid policies domestically and wait until the wave got reasonably contained while ramping up vaccinations before opening up travel but ... here we are, and it's hard to see it as anything but a cynical play for the domestic audience. And then of course, now that countries are asking inbound travelers for Covid tests, they get to play the discrimination card and gin up more public support.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there was an outbreak in China, China tried to contain it, the people protested the lockdowns and wanted the restrictions lifted, so the government lifted them.\nDid you forget how this very same sub cheered on those protestors and told China to give them their freedom?", ">\n\nPeople weren't protesting (or supporting) the COVID restrictions, stop acting like this was some casual mask mandate in your local rural county.\nPeople were forced by the military to stay inside. Never mind if you needed groceries. Never mind if you needed medicine, or a medical emergency occurred.\nThey forced people to LIVE AT THEIR WORKPLACE. Can't leave. Sleep on the floor. Relatives at home? Too bad.\nThe people were protesting the awful response tactics of their government, not COVID as a whole.\nThe fact that you can't even see the difference is troubling.", ">\n\nHow does any of what you say change the fact that China relaxed restrictions due to the fact that people were protesting against them not because they wanted to fuck with the rest of the world like people are saying?", ">\n\nSo we have:\nTesting requirements: Italy, Japan, US, South Korea, India\nDecidedly no testing requirements: UK, France, Germany, Austria, Portugal\nWe'll see how it turns out. My bet is that it's not gonna make a difference, but who knows?" ]

[ "It started in China with those deadly scenes from overcrowded hospitals.\nIt's mind boggling how utterly unprepared Cina is and COVID is hitting back at them exactly 3 years later.\nGuess the Coronavirus refused to stick to the government plans.", ">\n\n? \nhavent been paying attention to china news lately?\nChina was undergoing unprecidented nationwide protests over its \"zero covid\" policy. some of the largest protests it has seen in recent memory. Eventually the government relaxed the policy finally about a month or two ago. \nBecause Xi and the chinese government highly politicized and propagandized against western vaccines early on when Sinovax came around. most Chinese citizens absolutely refuse to trust western vaccines. this is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly.\nIt turns out Sinovax is FAR less effective than whats found in the west. as such many chinese citizens lack immunity and are especially vulnerable to all the newer strains that developed since the beggining of the pandemic...\nthis has created this \"perfect storm\" that china now finds itself in. with 37 million new cases being diagnosed per day. China lacks the medical facilities to deal with this level of infection as well. so were quite possibly seeing the beggining of another humongous health crisis.\nedits: grammer and some extra sentances.", ">\n\n\nthis is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly\n\nAdd multiple issues with domestic produced vaccines", ">\n\nThe frustrating thing is that China waited until it got hit hard by a Covid wave to decide that now is the time to relax a lot of its travel restrictions ... which is hard to read as anything but a move to placate domestic unrest, which has begun to simmer recently, at the expense of the health of many people worldwide.\nThey could have relaxed their zero covid policies domestically and wait until the wave got reasonably contained while ramping up vaccinations before opening up travel but ... here we are, and it's hard to see it as anything but a cynical play for the domestic audience. And then of course, now that countries are asking inbound travelers for Covid tests, they get to play the discrimination card and gin up more public support.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there was an outbreak in China, China tried to contain it, the people protested the lockdowns and wanted the restrictions lifted, so the government lifted them.\nDid you forget how this very same sub cheered on those protestors and told China to give them their freedom?", ">\n\nPeople weren't protesting (or supporting) the COVID restrictions, stop acting like this was some casual mask mandate in your local rural county.\nPeople were forced by the military to stay inside. Never mind if you needed groceries. Never mind if you needed medicine, or a medical emergency occurred.\nThey forced people to LIVE AT THEIR WORKPLACE. Can't leave. Sleep on the floor. Relatives at home? Too bad.\nThe people were protesting the awful response tactics of their government, not COVID as a whole.\nThe fact that you can't even see the difference is troubling.", ">\n\nHow does any of what you say change the fact that China relaxed restrictions due to the fact that people were protesting against them not because they wanted to fuck with the rest of the world like people are saying?", ">\n\nSo we have:\nTesting requirements: Italy, Japan, US, South Korea, India\nDecidedly no testing requirements: UK, France, Germany, Austria, Portugal\nWe'll see how it turns out. My bet is that it's not gonna make a difference, but who knows?", ">\n\nit probably won't help. For the right price, they could pay for a negative test result. And even if the destination airport require a test on arrival, they potentially infected people on the flight over, who won't test positive until a few days later." ]

[ "It started in China with those deadly scenes from overcrowded hospitals.\nIt's mind boggling how utterly unprepared Cina is and COVID is hitting back at them exactly 3 years later.\nGuess the Coronavirus refused to stick to the government plans.", ">\n\n? \nhavent been paying attention to china news lately?\nChina was undergoing unprecidented nationwide protests over its \"zero covid\" policy. some of the largest protests it has seen in recent memory. Eventually the government relaxed the policy finally about a month or two ago. \nBecause Xi and the chinese government highly politicized and propagandized against western vaccines early on when Sinovax came around. most Chinese citizens absolutely refuse to trust western vaccines. this is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly.\nIt turns out Sinovax is FAR less effective than whats found in the west. as such many chinese citizens lack immunity and are especially vulnerable to all the newer strains that developed since the beggining of the pandemic...\nthis has created this \"perfect storm\" that china now finds itself in. with 37 million new cases being diagnosed per day. China lacks the medical facilities to deal with this level of infection as well. so were quite possibly seeing the beggining of another humongous health crisis.\nedits: grammer and some extra sentances.", ">\n\n\nthis is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly\n\nAdd multiple issues with domestic produced vaccines", ">\n\nThe frustrating thing is that China waited until it got hit hard by a Covid wave to decide that now is the time to relax a lot of its travel restrictions ... which is hard to read as anything but a move to placate domestic unrest, which has begun to simmer recently, at the expense of the health of many people worldwide.\nThey could have relaxed their zero covid policies domestically and wait until the wave got reasonably contained while ramping up vaccinations before opening up travel but ... here we are, and it's hard to see it as anything but a cynical play for the domestic audience. And then of course, now that countries are asking inbound travelers for Covid tests, they get to play the discrimination card and gin up more public support.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there was an outbreak in China, China tried to contain it, the people protested the lockdowns and wanted the restrictions lifted, so the government lifted them.\nDid you forget how this very same sub cheered on those protestors and told China to give them their freedom?", ">\n\nPeople weren't protesting (or supporting) the COVID restrictions, stop acting like this was some casual mask mandate in your local rural county.\nPeople were forced by the military to stay inside. Never mind if you needed groceries. Never mind if you needed medicine, or a medical emergency occurred.\nThey forced people to LIVE AT THEIR WORKPLACE. Can't leave. Sleep on the floor. Relatives at home? Too bad.\nThe people were protesting the awful response tactics of their government, not COVID as a whole.\nThe fact that you can't even see the difference is troubling.", ">\n\nHow does any of what you say change the fact that China relaxed restrictions due to the fact that people were protesting against them not because they wanted to fuck with the rest of the world like people are saying?", ">\n\nSo we have:\nTesting requirements: Italy, Japan, US, South Korea, India\nDecidedly no testing requirements: UK, France, Germany, Austria, Portugal\nWe'll see how it turns out. My bet is that it's not gonna make a difference, but who knows?", ">\n\nit probably won't help. For the right price, they could pay for a negative test result. And even if the destination airport require a test on arrival, they potentially infected people on the flight over, who won't test positive until a few days later.", ">\n\nSouth Korea won't be the last." ]

[ "It started in China with those deadly scenes from overcrowded hospitals.\nIt's mind boggling how utterly unprepared Cina is and COVID is hitting back at them exactly 3 years later.\nGuess the Coronavirus refused to stick to the government plans.", ">\n\n? \nhavent been paying attention to china news lately?\nChina was undergoing unprecidented nationwide protests over its \"zero covid\" policy. some of the largest protests it has seen in recent memory. Eventually the government relaxed the policy finally about a month or two ago. \nBecause Xi and the chinese government highly politicized and propagandized against western vaccines early on when Sinovax came around. most Chinese citizens absolutely refuse to trust western vaccines. this is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly.\nIt turns out Sinovax is FAR less effective than whats found in the west. as such many chinese citizens lack immunity and are especially vulnerable to all the newer strains that developed since the beggining of the pandemic...\nthis has created this \"perfect storm\" that china now finds itself in. with 37 million new cases being diagnosed per day. China lacks the medical facilities to deal with this level of infection as well. so were quite possibly seeing the beggining of another humongous health crisis.\nedits: grammer and some extra sentances.", ">\n\n\nthis is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly\n\nAdd multiple issues with domestic produced vaccines", ">\n\nThe frustrating thing is that China waited until it got hit hard by a Covid wave to decide that now is the time to relax a lot of its travel restrictions ... which is hard to read as anything but a move to placate domestic unrest, which has begun to simmer recently, at the expense of the health of many people worldwide.\nThey could have relaxed their zero covid policies domestically and wait until the wave got reasonably contained while ramping up vaccinations before opening up travel but ... here we are, and it's hard to see it as anything but a cynical play for the domestic audience. And then of course, now that countries are asking inbound travelers for Covid tests, they get to play the discrimination card and gin up more public support.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there was an outbreak in China, China tried to contain it, the people protested the lockdowns and wanted the restrictions lifted, so the government lifted them.\nDid you forget how this very same sub cheered on those protestors and told China to give them their freedom?", ">\n\nPeople weren't protesting (or supporting) the COVID restrictions, stop acting like this was some casual mask mandate in your local rural county.\nPeople were forced by the military to stay inside. Never mind if you needed groceries. Never mind if you needed medicine, or a medical emergency occurred.\nThey forced people to LIVE AT THEIR WORKPLACE. Can't leave. Sleep on the floor. Relatives at home? Too bad.\nThe people were protesting the awful response tactics of their government, not COVID as a whole.\nThe fact that you can't even see the difference is troubling.", ">\n\nHow does any of what you say change the fact that China relaxed restrictions due to the fact that people were protesting against them not because they wanted to fuck with the rest of the world like people are saying?", ">\n\nSo we have:\nTesting requirements: Italy, Japan, US, South Korea, India\nDecidedly no testing requirements: UK, France, Germany, Austria, Portugal\nWe'll see how it turns out. My bet is that it's not gonna make a difference, but who knows?", ">\n\nit probably won't help. For the right price, they could pay for a negative test result. And even if the destination airport require a test on arrival, they potentially infected people on the flight over, who won't test positive until a few days later.", ">\n\nSouth Korea won't be the last.", ">\n\nLet me guess, we are going to get a post regarding every single country" ]

[ "It started in China with those deadly scenes from overcrowded hospitals.\nIt's mind boggling how utterly unprepared Cina is and COVID is hitting back at them exactly 3 years later.\nGuess the Coronavirus refused to stick to the government plans.", ">\n\n? \nhavent been paying attention to china news lately?\nChina was undergoing unprecidented nationwide protests over its \"zero covid\" policy. some of the largest protests it has seen in recent memory. Eventually the government relaxed the policy finally about a month or two ago. \nBecause Xi and the chinese government highly politicized and propagandized against western vaccines early on when Sinovax came around. most Chinese citizens absolutely refuse to trust western vaccines. this is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly.\nIt turns out Sinovax is FAR less effective than whats found in the west. as such many chinese citizens lack immunity and are especially vulnerable to all the newer strains that developed since the beggining of the pandemic...\nthis has created this \"perfect storm\" that china now finds itself in. with 37 million new cases being diagnosed per day. China lacks the medical facilities to deal with this level of infection as well. so were quite possibly seeing the beggining of another humongous health crisis.\nedits: grammer and some extra sentances.", ">\n\n\nthis is ontop of a natural reluctance to get vaccinated especially by those living in the countryside, and the elderly\n\nAdd multiple issues with domestic produced vaccines", ">\n\nThe frustrating thing is that China waited until it got hit hard by a Covid wave to decide that now is the time to relax a lot of its travel restrictions ... which is hard to read as anything but a move to placate domestic unrest, which has begun to simmer recently, at the expense of the health of many people worldwide.\nThey could have relaxed their zero covid policies domestically and wait until the wave got reasonably contained while ramping up vaccinations before opening up travel but ... here we are, and it's hard to see it as anything but a cynical play for the domestic audience. And then of course, now that countries are asking inbound travelers for Covid tests, they get to play the discrimination card and gin up more public support.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there was an outbreak in China, China tried to contain it, the people protested the lockdowns and wanted the restrictions lifted, so the government lifted them.\nDid you forget how this very same sub cheered on those protestors and told China to give them their freedom?", ">\n\nPeople weren't protesting (or supporting) the COVID restrictions, stop acting like this was some casual mask mandate in your local rural county.\nPeople were forced by the military to stay inside. Never mind if you needed groceries. Never mind if you needed medicine, or a medical emergency occurred.\nThey forced people to LIVE AT THEIR WORKPLACE. Can't leave. Sleep on the floor. Relatives at home? Too bad.\nThe people were protesting the awful response tactics of their government, not COVID as a whole.\nThe fact that you can't even see the difference is troubling.", ">\n\nHow does any of what you say change the fact that China relaxed restrictions due to the fact that people were protesting against them not because they wanted to fuck with the rest of the world like people are saying?", ">\n\nSo we have:\nTesting requirements: Italy, Japan, US, South Korea, India\nDecidedly no testing requirements: UK, France, Germany, Austria, Portugal\nWe'll see how it turns out. My bet is that it's not gonna make a difference, but who knows?", ">\n\nit probably won't help. For the right price, they could pay for a negative test result. And even if the destination airport require a test on arrival, they potentially infected people on the flight over, who won't test positive until a few days later.", ">\n\nSouth Korea won't be the last.", ">\n\nLet me guess, we are going to get a post regarding every single country", ">\n\nAnd state!" ]

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[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end.." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again...." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times..." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time." ]