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[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before..." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming...." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible)." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,..." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again.", ">\n\nFucking thank you. I despise the CCP and hate that they basically caused this from the beginning. But the west doesn't give a fuck about COVID anymore. It's been running rampant for some time now. \nI get rude looks when I wear a mask here in Europe." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again.", ">\n\nFucking thank you. I despise the CCP and hate that they basically caused this from the beginning. But the west doesn't give a fuck about COVID anymore. It's been running rampant for some time now. \nI get rude looks when I wear a mask here in Europe.", ">\n\nWe learned nothing from 2020.\nAt least make PCR/antigen mandatory again for people willing to travel from China" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again.", ">\n\nFucking thank you. I despise the CCP and hate that they basically caused this from the beginning. But the west doesn't give a fuck about COVID anymore. It's been running rampant for some time now. \nI get rude looks when I wear a mask here in Europe.", ">\n\nWe learned nothing from 2020.\nAt least make PCR/antigen mandatory again for people willing to travel from China", ">\n\nOf course, this is China's gift to the world" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again.", ">\n\nFucking thank you. I despise the CCP and hate that they basically caused this from the beginning. But the west doesn't give a fuck about COVID anymore. It's been running rampant for some time now. \nI get rude looks when I wear a mask here in Europe.", ">\n\nWe learned nothing from 2020.\nAt least make PCR/antigen mandatory again for people willing to travel from China", ">\n\nOf course, this is China's gift to the world", ">\n\nThis is how China spread harm around the world.\nDespite the lowliness of their own country and society, they didn't want to be the only ones infected, so they made the world suffer the same so they wouldn't be the only ones to lose out.\nEven though they are the cause of their own lowliness.\nChina is an enemy of the world and its very existence is a mistake." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again.", ">\n\nFucking thank you. I despise the CCP and hate that they basically caused this from the beginning. But the west doesn't give a fuck about COVID anymore. It's been running rampant for some time now. \nI get rude looks when I wear a mask here in Europe.", ">\n\nWe learned nothing from 2020.\nAt least make PCR/antigen mandatory again for people willing to travel from China", ">\n\nOf course, this is China's gift to the world", ">\n\nThis is how China spread harm around the world.\nDespite the lowliness of their own country and society, they didn't want to be the only ones infected, so they made the world suffer the same so they wouldn't be the only ones to lose out.\nEven though they are the cause of their own lowliness.\nChina is an enemy of the world and its very existence is a mistake.", ">\n\n100% of them can fuck off for awhile." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again.", ">\n\nFucking thank you. I despise the CCP and hate that they basically caused this from the beginning. But the west doesn't give a fuck about COVID anymore. It's been running rampant for some time now. \nI get rude looks when I wear a mask here in Europe.", ">\n\nWe learned nothing from 2020.\nAt least make PCR/antigen mandatory again for people willing to travel from China", ">\n\nOf course, this is China's gift to the world", ">\n\nThis is how China spread harm around the world.\nDespite the lowliness of their own country and society, they didn't want to be the only ones infected, so they made the world suffer the same so they wouldn't be the only ones to lose out.\nEven though they are the cause of their own lowliness.\nChina is an enemy of the world and its very existence is a mistake.", ">\n\n100% of them can fuck off for awhile.", ">\n\nAfter all the draconian lockdown implementation how is China still dropping the ball so hard" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again.", ">\n\nFucking thank you. I despise the CCP and hate that they basically caused this from the beginning. But the west doesn't give a fuck about COVID anymore. It's been running rampant for some time now. \nI get rude looks when I wear a mask here in Europe.", ">\n\nWe learned nothing from 2020.\nAt least make PCR/antigen mandatory again for people willing to travel from China", ">\n\nOf course, this is China's gift to the world", ">\n\nThis is how China spread harm around the world.\nDespite the lowliness of their own country and society, they didn't want to be the only ones infected, so they made the world suffer the same so they wouldn't be the only ones to lose out.\nEven though they are the cause of their own lowliness.\nChina is an enemy of the world and its very existence is a mistake.", ">\n\n100% of them can fuck off for awhile.", ">\n\nAfter all the draconian lockdown implementation how is China still dropping the ball so hard", ">\n\nDropping the ball or passing the ball ?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again.", ">\n\nFucking thank you. I despise the CCP and hate that they basically caused this from the beginning. But the west doesn't give a fuck about COVID anymore. It's been running rampant for some time now. \nI get rude looks when I wear a mask here in Europe.", ">\n\nWe learned nothing from 2020.\nAt least make PCR/antigen mandatory again for people willing to travel from China", ">\n\nOf course, this is China's gift to the world", ">\n\nThis is how China spread harm around the world.\nDespite the lowliness of their own country and society, they didn't want to be the only ones infected, so they made the world suffer the same so they wouldn't be the only ones to lose out.\nEven though they are the cause of their own lowliness.\nChina is an enemy of the world and its very existence is a mistake.", ">\n\n100% of them can fuck off for awhile.", ">\n\nAfter all the draconian lockdown implementation how is China still dropping the ball so hard", ">\n\nDropping the ball or passing the ball ?", ">\n\nCan't tell if it's still sheer incompetence or weaponised plague carriers as a strategy" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again.", ">\n\nFucking thank you. I despise the CCP and hate that they basically caused this from the beginning. But the west doesn't give a fuck about COVID anymore. It's been running rampant for some time now. \nI get rude looks when I wear a mask here in Europe.", ">\n\nWe learned nothing from 2020.\nAt least make PCR/antigen mandatory again for people willing to travel from China", ">\n\nOf course, this is China's gift to the world", ">\n\nThis is how China spread harm around the world.\nDespite the lowliness of their own country and society, they didn't want to be the only ones infected, so they made the world suffer the same so they wouldn't be the only ones to lose out.\nEven though they are the cause of their own lowliness.\nChina is an enemy of the world and its very existence is a mistake.", ">\n\n100% of them can fuck off for awhile.", ">\n\nAfter all the draconian lockdown implementation how is China still dropping the ball so hard", ">\n\nDropping the ball or passing the ball ?", ">\n\nCan't tell if it's still sheer incompetence or weaponised plague carriers as a strategy", ">\n\nIf the whole world has a pandemic, no one stands out.\nIf only one country has trouble, it will collapse. If everyone has trouble they will survive." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again.", ">\n\nFucking thank you. I despise the CCP and hate that they basically caused this from the beginning. But the west doesn't give a fuck about COVID anymore. It's been running rampant for some time now. \nI get rude looks when I wear a mask here in Europe.", ">\n\nWe learned nothing from 2020.\nAt least make PCR/antigen mandatory again for people willing to travel from China", ">\n\nOf course, this is China's gift to the world", ">\n\nThis is how China spread harm around the world.\nDespite the lowliness of their own country and society, they didn't want to be the only ones infected, so they made the world suffer the same so they wouldn't be the only ones to lose out.\nEven though they are the cause of their own lowliness.\nChina is an enemy of the world and its very existence is a mistake.", ">\n\n100% of them can fuck off for awhile.", ">\n\nAfter all the draconian lockdown implementation how is China still dropping the ball so hard", ">\n\nDropping the ball or passing the ball ?", ">\n\nCan't tell if it's still sheer incompetence or weaponised plague carriers as a strategy", ">\n\nIf the whole world has a pandemic, no one stands out.\nIf only one country has trouble, it will collapse. If everyone has trouble they will survive.", ">\n\nChina wants to spread it again and say look at how much better we can deal with our own fuck up." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again.", ">\n\nFucking thank you. I despise the CCP and hate that they basically caused this from the beginning. But the west doesn't give a fuck about COVID anymore. It's been running rampant for some time now. \nI get rude looks when I wear a mask here in Europe.", ">\n\nWe learned nothing from 2020.\nAt least make PCR/antigen mandatory again for people willing to travel from China", ">\n\nOf course, this is China's gift to the world", ">\n\nThis is how China spread harm around the world.\nDespite the lowliness of their own country and society, they didn't want to be the only ones infected, so they made the world suffer the same so they wouldn't be the only ones to lose out.\nEven though they are the cause of their own lowliness.\nChina is an enemy of the world and its very existence is a mistake.", ">\n\n100% of them can fuck off for awhile.", ">\n\nAfter all the draconian lockdown implementation how is China still dropping the ball so hard", ">\n\nDropping the ball or passing the ball ?", ">\n\nCan't tell if it's still sheer incompetence or weaponised plague carriers as a strategy", ">\n\nIf the whole world has a pandemic, no one stands out.\nIf only one country has trouble, it will collapse. If everyone has trouble they will survive.", ">\n\nChina wants to spread it again and say look at how much better we can deal with our own fuck up.", ">\n\nWhy didn't China close thier borders when it started to spread? \nNow the whole world's gonna be on lock down.\nThanks again China, your government sucks ass." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again.", ">\n\nFucking thank you. I despise the CCP and hate that they basically caused this from the beginning. But the west doesn't give a fuck about COVID anymore. It's been running rampant for some time now. \nI get rude looks when I wear a mask here in Europe.", ">\n\nWe learned nothing from 2020.\nAt least make PCR/antigen mandatory again for people willing to travel from China", ">\n\nOf course, this is China's gift to the world", ">\n\nThis is how China spread harm around the world.\nDespite the lowliness of their own country and society, they didn't want to be the only ones infected, so they made the world suffer the same so they wouldn't be the only ones to lose out.\nEven though they are the cause of their own lowliness.\nChina is an enemy of the world and its very existence is a mistake.", ">\n\n100% of them can fuck off for awhile.", ">\n\nAfter all the draconian lockdown implementation how is China still dropping the ball so hard", ">\n\nDropping the ball or passing the ball ?", ">\n\nCan't tell if it's still sheer incompetence or weaponised plague carriers as a strategy", ">\n\nIf the whole world has a pandemic, no one stands out.\nIf only one country has trouble, it will collapse. If everyone has trouble they will survive.", ">\n\nChina wants to spread it again and say look at how much better we can deal with our own fuck up.", ">\n\nWhy didn't China close thier borders when it started to spread? \nNow the whole world's gonna be on lock down.\nThanks again China, your government sucks ass.", ">\n\nI'll scream my fucking lungs out if those idiots from China have us quarantined again, and I'm in Italy so yeah, our screams are literal Thu'um." ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again.", ">\n\nFucking thank you. I despise the CCP and hate that they basically caused this from the beginning. But the west doesn't give a fuck about COVID anymore. It's been running rampant for some time now. \nI get rude looks when I wear a mask here in Europe.", ">\n\nWe learned nothing from 2020.\nAt least make PCR/antigen mandatory again for people willing to travel from China", ">\n\nOf course, this is China's gift to the world", ">\n\nThis is how China spread harm around the world.\nDespite the lowliness of their own country and society, they didn't want to be the only ones infected, so they made the world suffer the same so they wouldn't be the only ones to lose out.\nEven though they are the cause of their own lowliness.\nChina is an enemy of the world and its very existence is a mistake.", ">\n\n100% of them can fuck off for awhile.", ">\n\nAfter all the draconian lockdown implementation how is China still dropping the ball so hard", ">\n\nDropping the ball or passing the ball ?", ">\n\nCan't tell if it's still sheer incompetence or weaponised plague carriers as a strategy", ">\n\nIf the whole world has a pandemic, no one stands out.\nIf only one country has trouble, it will collapse. If everyone has trouble they will survive.", ">\n\nChina wants to spread it again and say look at how much better we can deal with our own fuck up.", ">\n\nWhy didn't China close thier borders when it started to spread? \nNow the whole world's gonna be on lock down.\nThanks again China, your government sucks ass.", ">\n\nI'll scream my fucking lungs out if those idiots from China have us quarantined again, and I'm in Italy so yeah, our screams are literal Thu'um.", ">\n\nMaybe conspiracy theory but could China done this on purpose, knowing they would infect the west?" ]

[ "and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end..", ">\n\nI mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected", ">\n\nRTPCR should be taken 5 to 7 days after exposure. Surely some of them have false negative results. The positive results are probably those who already have the virus before the flight.", ">\n\nIt's more likely that the Chinese public and government was getting tired of restrictions.\nBut I like your positivity there and cross fingers for more lock down.", ">\n\nNo China legit cut off western world, banned every western app like Facebook, IG, and Google, and won’t let their people use anything else, and has strict COVID lockdowns. They can keep their country sealed shut.\nI am NOT in the mood for COVID-22", ">\n\nBetter get in the mood for Covid-23", ">\n\nCovid23andMe", ">\n\nAbout 8% of our DNA consists of ancient viral remnants, and another 40% is made of repetitive genetic letters that are thought to be viral in origin, too.", ">\n\nWe are viruses, absorbing other viruses, growing stronger.", ">\n\nYeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again.", ">\n\nAlthough before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time.", ">\n\nChina's infection wave will not lead to a surge in infections outside of China.\nChina was the outlier that was still sticking to Zero COVID until a few weeks ago. It's the same thing that happened to Hong Kong in March this year, leading to the world's highest COVID fatality rate in Hong Kong, but having no noticeable effect on other countries.", ">\n\nYou're making the (likely very unsafe) assumption that omicron infecting such a massive population doesn't lead to a new variant that can sweep the globe again.\nIf there's no additional significant mutations though, you could well be right.", ">\n\nOmicron already ripped through the population of Europe, the US and various other countries this year - billions of people - and no significantly different variant with an evolutionary advantage emerged. \nEpidemiologists think that with Omicron the virus reached a local optimum of evolutionary fitness that it's hard to get out of.", ">\n\nVirologists are saying they have no idea what variants are coming out of China right now and the Omicron that ripped thru North America isn't even the dominant strain anymore, so why all this discussion on the original omicron?\nEven the new vaccine for omicron is already outdated.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when China doesnt embrace vaccination.", ">\n\nAnd refuse to use better Western created ones. SinoVac was/is horrible.\n*Edit. Sinovac is as effective as Western vaccines as long as you get all 3 doses.", ">\n\nAh, I see. All I've heard about it is that it isn't as effective and sucks. \nAppears I and many others are misinformed. Not great with one dose, but perfectly fine as long as you get all 3. But if you only get 1 or 2, Pfizer or Moderna are more effective. Makes sense. \nAny idea how many people in China get all 3, as oppossed to just the first?", ">\n\nIIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?", ">\n\nDecades ago, leather goods and clothing were made in Romania and shipped to Italy to have the Italy label sewn on. They still do as of a few years ago.\nThe US now has \"assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts\". All the parts are produced overseas with only minor work and the final assembly done here.\nDue to tariffs, China has opened steel mills in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. to produce and sell steel under that nationality instead. European and Indian steel companies have also bought out others worldwide to do similar.\nVery few things are singularly made from scratch at home!", ">\n\nThere's whole black market operations of selling non-Italian olive oil as Italian. Sometimes it's not even 100% olive oil. Shit's wild.", ">\n\nI read that the most popular market brands always blend olive oil with other seed oils to increase the volume and profits. It is not illegal since everyone does it.", ">\n\nYeah, the fake/mislabeled oils I'm talking about aren't just shady Amazon sellers or whatever, this stuff reaches the shelves of high end grocery stores. The whole industry is a mess.", ">\n\nSame with San Marzano tomatoes, most are fake. In Italy, if you have money you can get what you want on a label.\nEdit: spelling", ">\n\nLol, such trash comments here. No, the European and the Italian laws are very stricts about. It happened that some Spanish oil was sold as Italian because it's a better sales driver. San Marzano and tomatoes always come from Italy. Btw the seasonal workers, that the original comment was about, are much more used for tomatoes and other vegetables not from leathers goods and usually they are not Chinese", ">\n\nExactly. This entire thread is just Americans who are assuming that EU/European regulations are as bad as theirs. The EU has plenty of laws on these things and the foreign workers are seasonal workers to help with farming/agriculture because the domestic population aren't willing to fill in all the gaps in those sectors.", ">\n\nPretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.\nWith no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike.", ">\n\nTo be brutally honest some places did ban South Africa the first week or so after the omicron. \nIt’s a bit puzzling that we all forgot so fast how well that worked ~", ">\n\nAustralia not only banned flights from the whole of Southern Africa when omicron first appeared, we also made it a criminal offence to fly here from India when delta was spreading there.\nThen a few months later when Sydney had a delta outbreak, and it was obvious half the city wasn’t going to bother following a lockdown, the federal government decided maybe delta wasn’t so bad after all and we should just let it spread instead.", ">\n\nIt's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world.", ">\n\nSo it’s 2020 all over again.", ">\n\nExcept the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. \nSo, no, not really like 2020 at all.", ">\n\nThe concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. \nNot 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up.", ">\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.", ">\n\n\nWho says those odds are skyrocketing?\n\nThe odds of a mutation during any individual transmission haven't changed. The overall odds however are skyrocketing because we went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally, to almost all of China's 1,400 million population getting Covid over the span of a month or two. \nThat's over 400x the cumulative risk factors of a new variant appearing this month.", ">\n\n\nwe went from about a hundred thousand cases a day, about 3 million per month globally\n\nThe world has averaged an estimated 20M new infections per day in the last 6 months.\nChina's infection surge will, roughly speaking, double the world's daily infection count for two months, and hence roughly double the risk of a new variant appearing in the next two months.", ">\n\nAnd the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!", ">\n\nSounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity.", ">\n\nHow to avoid this though?\nThis is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide.", ">\n\nThey should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.\nThe truth comes out eventually.", ">\n\nEven the Sinovac is effective if taken in a decent number of doses. But they used the 3 years to trumpet how their way of lockdowns was superior, vs using the time to vax up and build out ICUs for the inevitable end of lockdowns.\nWho’s the decadent failed power now, Xi?", ">\n\nDeny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs", ">\n\nThey're probably mostly Italian citizens returning home, they can't stop them.", ">\n\nAustralia refused entry to its own citizens no?", ">\n\nOh good.\nI'm boarding a plane to Milan right now.", ">\n\nSee you there on Monday", ">\n\nSafe travels.", ">\n\nLikewise mate", ">\n\nThe opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect?", ">\n\nCovid / 0", ">\n\nNo surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else.", ">\n\nIts also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year. The next month is going to be very interesting.", ">\n\nJanuary 2020 Lunar New Year and now we’re facing a similar situation in January 2023", ">\n\nItaly: No way this could go the same way twice right?", ">\n\nGiven how badly it went for them the first time, I sincerely hope not.", ">\n\nFun times ahead", ">\n\nThe poor flight attendants. \nNo way they are not going to get it on a cramped flight for several hours.", ">\n\nWhat is it about covid that gives people this urge to travel?! I just wanted to crawl in bed.", ">\n\nFamily and work obligations", ">\n\nMy company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb", ">\n\nI work for a smaller branch of a big name insurance company, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't done that yet. A couple weeks back they tried a push to voluntarily get people back in office, but when cases went up (not even the direct area where the office is), they cancelled that.\nAfter seeing this I imagine it's only gonna get worse again. Hope everyone stays safe", ">\n\nFor those of you that didn't get that real feeling of hopelessness the first time we're running it back. COVID - The End Times", ">\n\nUg.... This is just like the Morbius movie fiasco all over again.", ">\n\nI just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak.", ">\n\nThere already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on.", ">\n\nMy poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci.", ">\n\nTHE SPICE MELANGE", ">\n\nThe government's going to figure out the 11 herbs and spices.", ">\n\nI feel like America is still dealing with covid its just not covered anymore, or at least like it was. I know nobody here is talking about it anymore.", ">\n\nDid Gandhi mention anything about nukes in that article?", ">\n\nDepends, did his aggression level go through another integer overflow?", ">\n\nHow is the US waiting until January 5th to even start testing?!?!!!", ">\n\nChina is doing this on purpose. Destabilize everything again....", ">\n\nIdk, maybe don’t let them in for a while? Kinda how the whole thing started in the first place unfortunately", ">\n\nYesterday we put a negative covid test requirement on air travel from China. Should be all counties though", ">\n\n\"We have no COVID\" they said\n\"It'll be fun\", they said", ">\n\nChina doing it again.", ">\n\nI remember a few years back. Coronavirus thing in China. Interesting but don't worry. Then flights to US., and Europe from China. Hmmmm suddenly some cases on West Coast, Italy Spain. Isn't this kind of like a bad re-run TV show?", ">\n\nItaly imports covid how it all started in Feb 2020. Again.", ">\n\nYup, Phuket where I live, is tooling up for a huge influx of Chinese tourists. Gonna be fucking shitshow with how many Thais will go down with covid and be off work at the same time...during a period here in high season where there's already a huge staff shortage in tourism! Interesting times...", ">\n\nI'm up in Chiang Mai. Apparently a hot-spot for the Chinese tourists. Not looking forward to it. They should be made to pre-departure test/arrival test/sandbox like everyone else did a year or so ago. \nIt's gonna end in tears.", ">\n\nyeah so really 100%", ">\n\nBan travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release.", ">\n\nHow fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.\nLast time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE.", ">\n\nIf travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.\nAnyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time.", ">\n\nItaly banned flights from China in 2020, they simply got a plane that landed first somewhere else before entering Italy. It is imperative that everyone starts to defend himself by his own means, with ffp2 masks ecc because it's the only effective way", ">\n\nSomeone explain what I’m missing here. COVID is already hugely widespread throughout the world. Has been for over a year, we’ve all just ignored it. \nWell, everyone except China anyway. China kept pushing COVID zero, and enforcing massive lockdowns of millions of people anytime even a single case popped up. Not even a month ago they finally gave up this policy under massive protests (unheard of in China!), and everyone knew this wave of sick Chinese was coming. Like, with 100% certainty. We KNEW FOR A FACT it was coming. \nNow, here it is. I mean, yes, they’re mixing with the rest of the world, but we’re all acting like the pandemic is over anyway, and it’s already circulating widely within every other population on the planet. So, why do we care about more of it coming out of China? They can’t spread it more than it’s already spreading, it’s literally already everywhere.", ">\n\nI think the fear is that's it's a new or mutated variant that is more harmful and contagious that the one most people have gotten in the west.", ">\n\nThere’s zero evidence of that though. It’s spreading like crazy because they 1) enforced zero COVID for so long there is very little natural immunity, 2) because of point one, people became complacent and there was minimal vaccination, and 3) they lifted all restrictions at once. \nThis was always going to blow up. New variant not required.", ">\n\nAs an icu nurse, F", ">\n\nI was at a hockey game tonight and thought for a moment how we all just act like Covid never was a thing.", ">\n\nAnd of course like aways, my country's government will be way too late with taking precautions and setting new rules. The Netherlands was way too late at the beginning of this pandemic.", ">\n\nThe past few times that I have travelled there have been no restrictions and no testing at either end (Europe, Middle East and Asia) ; it is more than possible that a large number of people on the flight could have been infected but nobody knew because there was no testing. My most recent journey didn't even require me to show proof of vaccination.\nWe know about this incident because there were checks in place but how many others have travelled from around the world whilst infected. This was inevitable once things started opening up again.", ">\n\nSo thats the play all along.", ">\n\nThis is a whole ass bioweapon goddamn", ">\n\nMe and my best buds are going to Italy to celebrate my 30th in May. Fingers crossed this information isn’t foreshadowing the trajectory of our trip.", ">\n\nDid the Chinese all just start licking each others hands as soon as the controls were lifted? I don't mean to sound like a right wing nutjob but it seems malicious at this point.", ">\n\nHoly crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good.", ">\n\nSo stop flying them. Are we really this stupid?", ">\n\nYes", ">\n\nI’m not trying to read the tea leaves or anything, but the fact that this is China and Italy again makes this really concerning.", ">\n\nAre we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again?", ">\n\nIf only we had seen this before...", ">\n\nIf only we could have seen this coming....", ">\n\nl", ">\n\nVery insightful", ">\n\nHow long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant?", ">\n\nWell, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more.", ">\n\nChina is the fucking worst!", ">\n\nGreat. Just great. Thank you for everything China.", ">\n\nThey… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow.", ">\n\nThey did that to keep the virus from coming back to China after they beat it. Most of the West chose a different approach. We never attempted to beat the virus. Now China is giving up as well.", ">\n\nYep, mine was a half-/s reply to the oop who, apparently, thinks that China could have reopened without a massive wave (which is just mathematically impossible).", ">\n\nChina on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off.", ">\n\n\nthe rest of the world will write them off.\n\nthat day can't come soon enough", ">\n\nget rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes", ">\n\nI’m Japanese and I was just thinking this. Since COVID I feel unsafe going to some places alone like I used to because of the way people look at me at times. Sure some peeps stared before but never like this.", ">\n\nExactly like it began 3 years ago. China -> Milan area -> alpine skiing resorts -> Europe. Fuck the chinese communist party morons. They could have been through with it like the rest of the world. Hopefully we don't get new dangerous strains. The rest of the world needs to blockout Chinese travelers until they are through with it.", ">\n\nJust so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:\nA.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.\nB.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally.", ">\n\nMaybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit", ">\n\nSeems like a good time to stop flights from China", ">\n\nIf you think it's bad now, it's lunar new year in less and a month. The first relatively open Chinese New Year in years. It will be a super spreader event in China and globally as they seek to hang out with families, the diaspora seeks to return home and overall its going to be a disaster.\nEvery nation should put restrictions on Chinese entry for at least two months until after CNY has done it's work.", ">\n\nSomebody tell Xi there are more than two options for dealing with COVID besides lockdown or let 'er rip.", ">\n\nAnother briliant ham fisted move by CCP. \nHave strict restrictions for years and then remove everything overnight.\nWhat could possibly go wrong right?", ">\n\nI saw that other news story...Something about 12 monkeys?", ">\n\n~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind!", ">\n\nAlright I am going to be dismayed, who wants to be shocked? We also need to figure out who is going to be appalled.", ">\n\nWell,... there goes Italy,... back to the 'ol lockdown, I suppose,...", ">\n\n2019 v3", ">\n\nOnce again UK will wait too long to impose restrictions.", ">\n\nThis is a shit storm hitting the giant fan", ">\n\nThey had to reopen…", ">\n\nNOBODY EXPECTED THAT", ">\n\nOh shit shutdown", ">\n\nIdiots", ">\n\nAh so that's how the recession happens", ">\n\nOh dear", ">\n\nThese ants are going to spread something new", ">\n\nI thought they only had about 3 cases last year?... According to their statistics at least.", ">\n\nAt this point fuck China. Like seriously one time was not enough? As an Italian this shit is infuriating. They even tried to pin the whole thing on us the first time around, saying that covid originated in Italy. \nI wish Europe as a whole would show some balls this time and block all commercial flights to and from China.", ">\n\nSo stop letting them in…", ">\n\nLooks like Xi wants to get rid of his old people. They die the most from Covid to start with, and they are among the ones with the lowest vaccination rate in China.", ">\n\nLol seems like we're back at how covid started. Hopefully the vaccines and better public hygene will help.", ">\n\nAmerica: \"Just send them here, we love covid. We wont even quarantine them because freedom.\"", ">\n\nThey gonna start raiding drugstores soon.\nThe ones outside of china are already doing it right now.", ">\n\nImagine my surprise", ">\n\nThere are tens of not hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed Chinese landing to airports around the world every day now….. they’re going to reinfect the world again. The Chinese are a global menace in so many ways.", ">\n\nIf anyone says: “didn’t see this coming”, they lack all sense of reality.", ">\n\nWe have a family trip planned to Italy in a few months. Thank goodness we have travel insurance. Is this Covid from China a new variant? We are all fully Vaxxed and boosted here. Is this Covid strain from China a new variant? Most Chinese are unvaccinated or if they are it’s with the ineffective Russian or Chinese vaccine.", ">\n\nMeanwhile, Chinese orphans that have approved & paid for adoption placements with families internationally are still stuck in that country unable to be sent home to their parents. This has been the case since COVID started.", ">\n\nSo much for all that quarantine", ">\n\nchina needs to swallow its pride and use the western vaccines", ">\n\nToo late for that now", ">\n\nWhy are we letting them in the country?", ">\n\nI'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid.", ">\n\nWell, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least", ">\n\nUnpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival.", ">\n\nFuck. China.", ">\n\nStay home! Stop spreading it!!!!!!!", ">\n\nIt makes no sense to me, how any country or carrier would actually fly to or from China right now", ">\n\nmoney and realistically theres only 1 country who can withstand china threats if it came to it", ">\n\nSo no one on flights are wearing respirator masks (or shitty surgical masks) now, right?", ">\n\nThe entire plane, Is contaminated.\nI mean also the vehicle.", ">\n\nHave we forgot that covid has been let loose in literally every single country (perhaps except for a few other Asian countries, but they've already opened) apart from China for the better part of the last 2 years? This doesn't matter in the slightest for anyone else, it's just the last step towards a global semi herd-immunity.\nAlso what's with the double standards? When Thailand, Japan, Korea, Vietnam all opened their borders this or even last year, noone batted an eye and was even happy they could go visit their favourite tourist spots, but now that it's China, everyone's mad and tells them to close again.", ">\n\nFucking thank you. I despise the CCP and hate that they basically caused this from the beginning. But the west doesn't give a fuck about COVID anymore. It's been running rampant for some time now. \nI get rude looks when I wear a mask here in Europe.", ">\n\nWe learned nothing from 2020.\nAt least make PCR/antigen mandatory again for people willing to travel from China", ">\n\nOf course, this is China's gift to the world", ">\n\nThis is how China spread harm around the world.\nDespite the lowliness of their own country and society, they didn't want to be the only ones infected, so they made the world suffer the same so they wouldn't be the only ones to lose out.\nEven though they are the cause of their own lowliness.\nChina is an enemy of the world and its very existence is a mistake.", ">\n\n100% of them can fuck off for awhile.", ">\n\nAfter all the draconian lockdown implementation how is China still dropping the ball so hard", ">\n\nDropping the ball or passing the ball ?", ">\n\nCan't tell if it's still sheer incompetence or weaponised plague carriers as a strategy", ">\n\nIf the whole world has a pandemic, no one stands out.\nIf only one country has trouble, it will collapse. If everyone has trouble they will survive.", ">\n\nChina wants to spread it again and say look at how much better we can deal with our own fuck up.", ">\n\nWhy didn't China close thier borders when it started to spread? \nNow the whole world's gonna be on lock down.\nThanks again China, your government sucks ass.", ">\n\nI'll scream my fucking lungs out if those idiots from China have us quarantined again, and I'm in Italy so yeah, our screams are literal Thu'um.", ">\n\nMaybe conspiracy theory but could China done this on purpose, knowing they would infect the west?", ">\n\nWhy is any country accepting Chinese passengers?" ]

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[ "You might ask, why didn't he shred the documents?\nThe answer seems to be that shredding White House documents isn't that easy. Docs are protected under the Presidential Records Act, and access to shredders is limited since they're for document destruction. Access to a fireplace isn't restricted, though." ]

[ "You might ask, why didn't he shred the documents?\nThe answer seems to be that shredding White House documents isn't that easy. Docs are protected under the Presidential Records Act, and access to shredders is limited since they're for document destruction. Access to a fireplace isn't restricted, though.", ">\n\nIt’s weird, where I’m at we have access to “up to Secret” shredders all over the place. Funny thing, you can take the shreds and compress them with water into bio-bricks to burn." ]

[ "You might ask, why didn't he shred the documents?\nThe answer seems to be that shredding White House documents isn't that easy. Docs are protected under the Presidential Records Act, and access to shredders is limited since they're for document destruction. Access to a fireplace isn't restricted, though.", ">\n\nIt’s weird, where I’m at we have access to “up to Secret” shredders all over the place. Funny thing, you can take the shreds and compress them with water into bio-bricks to burn.", ">\n\nThose shredders are friggin awesome too. Nothing but dust comes out the other end. And no one ever changes the bags." ]

[ "You might ask, why didn't he shred the documents?\nThe answer seems to be that shredding White House documents isn't that easy. Docs are protected under the Presidential Records Act, and access to shredders is limited since they're for document destruction. Access to a fireplace isn't restricted, though.", ">\n\nIt’s weird, where I’m at we have access to “up to Secret” shredders all over the place. Funny thing, you can take the shreds and compress them with water into bio-bricks to burn.", ">\n\nThose shredders are friggin awesome too. Nothing but dust comes out the other end. And no one ever changes the bags.", ">\n\nAs I always say, \"Shred it, don't regret it\"!" ]

[ "You might ask, why didn't he shred the documents?\nThe answer seems to be that shredding White House documents isn't that easy. Docs are protected under the Presidential Records Act, and access to shredders is limited since they're for document destruction. Access to a fireplace isn't restricted, though.", ">\n\nIt’s weird, where I’m at we have access to “up to Secret” shredders all over the place. Funny thing, you can take the shreds and compress them with water into bio-bricks to burn.", ">\n\nThose shredders are friggin awesome too. Nothing but dust comes out the other end. And no one ever changes the bags.", ">\n\nAs I always say, \"Shred it, don't regret it\"!", ">\n\nJust don't print the documents in the first place. Much less paper work." ]

[ "You might ask, why didn't he shred the documents?\nThe answer seems to be that shredding White House documents isn't that easy. Docs are protected under the Presidential Records Act, and access to shredders is limited since they're for document destruction. Access to a fireplace isn't restricted, though.", ">\n\nIt’s weird, where I’m at we have access to “up to Secret” shredders all over the place. Funny thing, you can take the shreds and compress them with water into bio-bricks to burn.", ">\n\nThose shredders are friggin awesome too. Nothing but dust comes out the other end. And no one ever changes the bags.", ">\n\nAs I always say, \"Shred it, don't regret it\"!", ">\n\nJust don't print the documents in the first place. Much less paper work.", ">\n\nEmailing stuff is a whole different bag of worms.\nProperly adding classification markings to a document is like asking a 10-year-old to manually process your taxes. And then the email itself has to be sent via the proper channel, with headers, and subject lines with correct markings. \nIt's almost better to screen grab the exact thing you want to discuss so without context the subject matter is meaningless, which is a total no-no, and I would never do that..." ]