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There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.
Life can get really dark sometimes. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P"
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What the absolute fuck? | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes."
] |
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Seriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?"
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"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck."
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"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids."
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Eat them to regain all the precious nutrients | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them"
] |
>
This is so sad, a family was just torn apart. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients"
] |
>
These sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart."
] |
>
I think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.
There are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.
I dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)
A 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying."
] |
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Violent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades.
But now we literally hear about every single crime. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news"
] |
>
I heard it was rising back up since the pandemic? | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime."
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yea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?"
] |
>
I've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels."
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>
Its the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.
Its all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and "if it bleeds it leads" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous."
] |
>
Exactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing."
] |
>
While I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings?
I feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with"
] |
>
You used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.
If we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole."
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"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem."
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There are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak."
] |
>
Like a rain of poison that never stops | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth."
] |
>
I think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops"
] |
>
How many of those murderous children received head injuries prior? | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior."
] |
>
Awful.
At least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?"
] |
>
These people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note."
] |
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Not a great couple of days for American children, is it? | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work"
] |
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Part of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?"
] |
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I don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior."
] |
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The poor parents. Damn | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here."
] |
>
We assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn"
] |
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Your comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes.
Your common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior."
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I know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior."
] |
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I'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).
Unfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target."
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Holy fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently? | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up."
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"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?"
] |
>
Parent is a verb, as my mom use to say.
We've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.
When a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.
I'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened.
Parents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age."
] |
>
but why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month
Because there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.
Violent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween."
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Normally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades."
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Nothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event."
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We are born into a world of demons. | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit."
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"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons."
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"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid."
] |
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Sounds like we need new knife policies! | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland"
] |
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I bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.
Too soon? :P | [
"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!"
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"There was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P",
">\n\nThere was actually just a case I watched on Dr. G where a girl smothered a 2 year old and an infant and the people of Bexar County Texas refused to believe a child was capable of this kind of evil. Then she went to live with her grandmother and smothered her dog which led to the grandmother turning her in to the police.\nLife can get really dark sometimes.",
">\n\nWhat the absolute fuck?",
">\n\nSeriously this makes me want to just curl up. Fuck.",
">\n\nThis makes me want to never have kids.",
">\n\nIf they come out bad just smother them",
">\n\nEat them to regain all the precious nutrients",
">\n\nThis is so sad, a family was just torn apart.",
">\n\nThese sorts of horrible stories have been around a while, but for some reason they now seem extra worrying.",
">\n\nI think absorbing the entirety of the Country's and World's horrible News stories, across all 8 Billion of us makes the shit seem out of whack and like things are more frequent than they used to be.\nThere are nearly 350 Million peoppe in the US.....thats a lot of lives to find fucked up stories in.\nI dont think most crimes are any worse or more frequent that they ever were, we just hear about them more because we are so connected (save shootings...we have a real fucking problem there)\nA 16yo kid(maybe 17) I went to high-school with in the mid 90s killed both his grandparents with a hammer, beat their heads to mush while they were sleeping and then burned the house down...they found him hiding in a dumpster behind a Kmart(or maybe it was a Jamesway, IDR) covered in blood.....I bet no one outside of my state heard about that, and i bet even a ton of people in the state didnt even hear about it...if that happened today it would be national news",
">\n\nViolent crime (Including shootings) has actually been plummeting downward statistically for the last couple of decades. \nBut now we literally hear about every single crime.",
">\n\nI heard it was rising back up since the pandemic?",
">\n\nyea back to 2019 levels, not 1970s levels.",
">\n\nI've moved around a lot in my adulthood and I'm always fascinated by local stories of completely fucked shit that happened in the days before Internet and the 24 hour news channels in these areas that would likely have never been more than a blurb in national news; things that would been front page news for days in those areas, and maybe would've hit a couple paragraphs on page nine elsewhere. A lot of stories that now get national or worldwide coverage fall into that category. For instance, the guy in Mass that searched how to dispose of a 115 lb woman's body wouldn't be heard much further away than maybe Connecticut and Maine. The Idaho murders might have got coverage within a couple hundred miles of there, and maybe where the guy was found in PA (if he would even have been caught back then). Even in the 90s it's unlikely someone in, say, Arizona would have even possibly been made aware of any of those things. It's definitely a contributing factor in why, even though the world is getting statistically safer, it feels more dangerous.",
">\n\nIts the internet and 24h news that makes it seem like we have a historically bad crime epidemic. Agree fully.\nIts all because they all need constant content 24h a day, 7d a week, 365d a year, and \"if it bleeds it leads\" is a real thing and that boils down to pure human nature and negative feedback bias which is a real thing.",
">\n\nExactly. And to add further examples, just look at the slew of crime documentaries like on Netflix, etc. There's just so many from the early 90s and before that most people had never heard about. Whole seasons of shows covering the ones that might have been little more than regional news at the time. Hell, I sat and watched one episode a while back (my wife drew me in because it was where I grew up and was during my middle school years) that was pretty huge news at the time. Everyone knew a ton about it... where I grew up. She'd never heard about it. That's when it clicked. I was like, yeah, I guess it wasn't something a newspaper over a thousand miles away would've bothered with",
">\n\nWhile I understand everything you all are saying, but is the idea of social media influence, and younger generations feeling more alone than ever not something to worry about, or...all the shootings? \nI feel like we are experiencing more shootings in schools and the like, or do you also try and make that sound like it's merely the 24hr news coverage? There are DEFNITELY more guns in America than in the 70s correct? More shootings, correct? I can't seem to square that hole.",
">\n\nYou used to be able to bring firearms to school without issue and keep them locked up in your vehicle, or participate in shooting clubs/competition.\nIf we weren't shooting each other in schools when we were able to do that, but we're doing it now, it's not a problem with the number of firearms. It's the intersection of social media and a nationwide, 24/7 news cycle and firearms that is the problem.",
">\n\nShit's getting pretty goddamn bleak.",
">\n\nThere are over 8 billion humans on earth. We need to stop hearing about everything bad that happens everywhere - it's poisoning us. Most of us are far safer than we would have been in any prior time - but we are constantly bombarded with bad news from every town and city on earth.",
">\n\nLike a rain of poison that never stops",
">\n\nI think the idea children can’t be psychopaths is just doctors throwing their hands up in air because it’s too complex of an issue to be able to say with certainty, supposedly the brain doesn’t stop developing until one’s early 20s. I’m sure the reality is that there are a minority of cases in which you know a 10 year is old is always going to be a horrible person that has to pretend to care about others in order to function, and that’s tragic, but I don’t see people ever really admitting this and basing treatment on it, simply because of how much danger it puts the majority of children who can rehabilitated in. Being diagnosed with something like this is no joke and humans rely a lot on learned behavior.",
">\n\nHow many of those murderous children received head injuries prior?",
">\n\nAwful.\nAt least the parents did the right thing and didn't cover it up with a fake ransom note.",
">\n\nThese people live in an apartment. If they were wealthy the ransom note would work",
">\n\nNot a great couple of days for American children, is it?",
">\n\nPart of me thinks this girl was abused. Not many 12 year old actively want to kill their siblings. A house of violence and abuse could trigger this type of behavior.",
">\n\nI don’t understand how you got downvoted, what you say is absolutely true. Unless of course there is mental illness going on here.",
">\n\nThe poor parents. Damn",
">\n\nWe assume young children are capable of feeling love, affection, gratitude, loyalty, etc, but not hatred, envy, resentment or anger? I think the door swings both ways and we've traditionally relied on family culture to avoid such instances of monstrosity. When I was growing up with several siblings, we were constantly reminded that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving disputes. As a consequence, our minds were unlikely to consider physical harm to our antagonists as an acceptable remedy. The college-age daughter of a friend was recently assigned to student teach first grade at an inner-city school in Minneapolis. She left after two weeks out of fear and frustration. Most of the school children communicated their wants and needs through violent acts: pushing, punching, using other objects as weapons. When parents were consulted (which seldom occurred because they don't make themselves available), the parents usually expressed indifference. No doubt the same behavior is typical in the home, including interactions between children and the parents. I've no expertise in child psychology, but common sense tells me violence is learned behavior.",
">\n\nYour comment comes off as a bit classist and racist for assuming inner city parents teach their kids to act violently. Sibling fight because of violent tendencies they were born with, not because their parent taught them to fight. Children can be taught to fight, but for most, they are actually trained not to express themselves physically, especially once they have the ability to use words. Kids whose parents have to work multiple jobs to afford basic survival- which is the case for many inner city children, don't get the same level of attention (behavior guidance) from their parents or caregivers when compared to peers from higher socioeconomic classes. \nYour common sense needs an upgrade because you're ignorant about the roots of violent behavior.",
">\n\nI know you want to appear enlightened and put me down as a racist as a self-aggrandizing measure, but please pull your head out of your ass for a moment and actually read what I wrote, then read your response. I didn't state or infer that inner city kids are innately violent by nature. I didn't say the children are taught violence in the home, only that violence is permitted to occur, contrary to the environment in which I grew up. In fact, I explicitly stated my siblings and I were TAUGHT not to act out in violence - in other words, our natural instincts to use violence were suppressed by our parents. Your response is precisely along the same lines. The only difference is your explanation that inner city kids' parents can't commit the same attention to their children relative to other demographics. So what? My point, which remains unrefuted, is children as human beings are capable of expressing negative emotions in horrifying ways. Next time you want to be self-righteous, pick a better target.",
">\n\nI'm glad your parents had the time and patience to teach you right from wrong - and that the lessons stuck (that's not always the case).\nUnfortunately, inner city parents often struggle a good bit of the day just to keep a roof over their heads and their families fed. In many cases, they don't have any time to interact with their children because they're gone working multiple part time, no benefit jobs from the time they get their kids up until they get home to put them in bed (or even after). And, kids can be crueler than a lot of adults - look it up.",
">\n\nHoly fuck what's with all the kids killing people in American recently?",
">\n\nParents not being parents and possible mental illness, it can manifest at a young age.",
">\n\nParent is a verb, as my mom use to say.\nWe've glossed over parenting as something anyone can do and doesn't require much effort - just money. Parenting is intense sh*t that requires huge amounts of skill, dedication, commitment and sacrifice - but it's not something valued at all by society.\nWhen a child murders someone - something went wrong somewhere. Maybe there were signs ignored by the parents. Maybe too permissive in what was allowed to be watched / gotten away with. Maybe refusal to see their kid needed outside help. Maybe there was abuse or neglect. Could be any one of dozens of causes or multiple causes combined that led to this tragedy.\nI'm not blaming the parents per se. But I believe that there is a solid 90% chance that with better advice, guidance and resources provided to the parents - and then excellent parenting skills used regarding this child over their upbringing - that this wouldn't have happened. \nParents are definitely human. We mess up. We fail. We don't know what we don't know. But waving hands in the air thinking that the parents choices/behaviors had no part in this is bad - same as thinking that they were 100% responsible. The truth falls inbetween.",
">\n\n\nbut why am I hearing about multiple a month or attempts a month\n\nBecause there is a 24 hour news cycle to fill and it's easier than ever for this information to fling around, and with ads paying the bills these types of stories get more attention than feel-good stories.\nViolent crime per capita is down significantly from past decades.",
">\n\nNormally, you wouldn't think of using weapons in sibling fights. This is so sad an event.",
">\n\nNothing like a desensitised child to hear about fucked up shit.",
">\n\nWe are born into a world of demons.",
">\n\nAre you stupid? A lot of people think you're stupid.",
">\n\nChildren 12 and under can not be charged with a crime in Maryland",
">\n\nSounds like we need new knife policies!",
">\n\nI bet this was just a plot by the NRA to make knives look bad.\nToo soon? :P"
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While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs," she told TMZ.
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"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?"
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The funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)
They'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked "liberally" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.
Interesting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack.
Let's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.
*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as "white." And Row is the same number of letters as "hat." Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state? | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning."
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"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?"
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"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them."
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"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally"
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"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years"
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"They can't stop what's coming," she captioned the video.
I thought she'd denounced QAnon?
She probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’"
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Her and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no."
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"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point."
] |
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Typical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!” | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder."
] |
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“Nice guys” when they are rejected. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”"
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It’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience) | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected."
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It’s the entitlement | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)"
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I so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?
Home? "Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong." College? Finishing school? | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement"
] |
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It's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?"
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Are you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength.
Doubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance."
] |
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I completely agree with you, friend.
I was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact."
] |
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Oh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol."
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I mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong."
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Mr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still."
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Dre! Dre! Dre! | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay"
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She made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!"
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Ah! The classic blunder! | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre."
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she has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!"
] |
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When I was younger I didn't realize "butterface" was just code for "but her face." I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's."
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This made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face."
] |
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I read that as “porno” and threw up a bit. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose."
] |
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Same | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit."
] |
>
This song is more fitting for ol' Marge:
Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say
But nothing comes out when they move their lips
Just a bunch of gibberish
And motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame"
] |
>
Fun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre"
] |
>
Nothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use."
] |
>
Like the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim "stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you" - MTG | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it."
] |
>
"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on," the letter continued.
Um, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG"
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Clearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6."
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How dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress."
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I am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps? | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that."
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Is there a republican pill or something to ingest
Yes, it's called FoxNews.
And Rush Limbaugh, before that.
before him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?"
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Fun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time."
] |
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Thanks, I needed this reminder this morning. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead."
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It’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning."
] |
>
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"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre"
] |
>
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"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre",
">\n\nSo far 2023 is the weirdest timeline"
] |
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You don't fuck with Dre | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre",
">\n\nSo far 2023 is the weirdest timeline",
">\n\nThank you Dr Dre"
] |
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She needs to call Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. I’m sure either would be happy to provide a soundtrack to her lunacy. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre",
">\n\nSo far 2023 is the weirdest timeline",
">\n\nThank you Dr Dre",
">\n\nYou don't fuck with Dre"
] |
>
But she wanted some good music. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre",
">\n\nSo far 2023 is the weirdest timeline",
">\n\nThank you Dr Dre",
">\n\nYou don't fuck with Dre",
">\n\nShe needs to call Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. I’m sure either would be happy to provide a soundtrack to her lunacy."
] |
>
MTG forgot about Dre. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre",
">\n\nSo far 2023 is the weirdest timeline",
">\n\nThank you Dr Dre",
">\n\nYou don't fuck with Dre",
">\n\nShe needs to call Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. I’m sure either would be happy to provide a soundtrack to her lunacy.",
">\n\nBut she wanted some good music."
] |
>
First of all, how dare you?
Don’t use Dre for evil. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre",
">\n\nSo far 2023 is the weirdest timeline",
">\n\nThank you Dr Dre",
">\n\nYou don't fuck with Dre",
">\n\nShe needs to call Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. I’m sure either would be happy to provide a soundtrack to her lunacy.",
">\n\nBut she wanted some good music.",
">\n\nMTG forgot about Dre."
] |
>
You gonna take advice from somebody who slapped Dee Barnes? | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre",
">\n\nSo far 2023 is the weirdest timeline",
">\n\nThank you Dr Dre",
">\n\nYou don't fuck with Dre",
">\n\nShe needs to call Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. I’m sure either would be happy to provide a soundtrack to her lunacy.",
">\n\nBut she wanted some good music.",
">\n\nMTG forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nFirst of all, how dare you? \nDon’t use Dre for evil."
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Fkn eh good on you doc | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre",
">\n\nSo far 2023 is the weirdest timeline",
">\n\nThank you Dr Dre",
">\n\nYou don't fuck with Dre",
">\n\nShe needs to call Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. I’m sure either would be happy to provide a soundtrack to her lunacy.",
">\n\nBut she wanted some good music.",
">\n\nMTG forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nFirst of all, how dare you? \nDon’t use Dre for evil.",
">\n\nYou gonna take advice from somebody who slapped Dee Barnes?"
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Copyright law is a hell of a drug. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre",
">\n\nSo far 2023 is the weirdest timeline",
">\n\nThank you Dr Dre",
">\n\nYou don't fuck with Dre",
">\n\nShe needs to call Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. I’m sure either would be happy to provide a soundtrack to her lunacy.",
">\n\nBut she wanted some good music.",
">\n\nMTG forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nFirst of all, how dare you? \nDon’t use Dre for evil.",
">\n\nYou gonna take advice from somebody who slapped Dee Barnes?",
">\n\nFkn eh good on you doc"
] |
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So she uses the song, and her response when bring told she can't use it is "I didn't actually like it anyway" they truly are masters of hypocrisy | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre",
">\n\nSo far 2023 is the weirdest timeline",
">\n\nThank you Dr Dre",
">\n\nYou don't fuck with Dre",
">\n\nShe needs to call Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. I’m sure either would be happy to provide a soundtrack to her lunacy.",
">\n\nBut she wanted some good music.",
">\n\nMTG forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nFirst of all, how dare you? \nDon’t use Dre for evil.",
">\n\nYou gonna take advice from somebody who slapped Dee Barnes?",
">\n\nFkn eh good on you doc",
">\n\nCopyright law is a hell of a drug."
] |
>
I'd say today it was a good day. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre",
">\n\nSo far 2023 is the weirdest timeline",
">\n\nThank you Dr Dre",
">\n\nYou don't fuck with Dre",
">\n\nShe needs to call Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. I’m sure either would be happy to provide a soundtrack to her lunacy.",
">\n\nBut she wanted some good music.",
">\n\nMTG forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nFirst of all, how dare you? \nDon’t use Dre for evil.",
">\n\nYou gonna take advice from somebody who slapped Dee Barnes?",
">\n\nFkn eh good on you doc",
">\n\nCopyright law is a hell of a drug.",
">\n\nSo she uses the song, and her response when bring told she can't use it is \"I didn't actually like it anyway\" they truly are masters of hypocrisy"
] |
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Yo Dre. I got something to say.
Fuck MTG! | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre",
">\n\nSo far 2023 is the weirdest timeline",
">\n\nThank you Dr Dre",
">\n\nYou don't fuck with Dre",
">\n\nShe needs to call Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. I’m sure either would be happy to provide a soundtrack to her lunacy.",
">\n\nBut she wanted some good music.",
">\n\nMTG forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nFirst of all, how dare you? \nDon’t use Dre for evil.",
">\n\nYou gonna take advice from somebody who slapped Dee Barnes?",
">\n\nFkn eh good on you doc",
">\n\nCopyright law is a hell of a drug.",
">\n\nSo she uses the song, and her response when bring told she can't use it is \"I didn't actually like it anyway\" they truly are masters of hypocrisy",
">\n\nI'd say today it was a good day."
] |
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She forgot about Dre. | [
"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre",
">\n\nSo far 2023 is the weirdest timeline",
">\n\nThank you Dr Dre",
">\n\nYou don't fuck with Dre",
">\n\nShe needs to call Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. I’m sure either would be happy to provide a soundtrack to her lunacy.",
">\n\nBut she wanted some good music.",
">\n\nMTG forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nFirst of all, how dare you? \nDon’t use Dre for evil.",
">\n\nYou gonna take advice from somebody who slapped Dee Barnes?",
">\n\nFkn eh good on you doc",
">\n\nCopyright law is a hell of a drug.",
">\n\nSo she uses the song, and her response when bring told she can't use it is \"I didn't actually like it anyway\" they truly are masters of hypocrisy",
">\n\nI'd say today it was a good day.",
">\n\nYo Dre. I got something to say. \nFuck MTG!"
] |
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"While I appreciate the creative chord progression, I would never play your words of violence against women and police officers, and your glorification of the thug life and drugs,\" she told TMZ.\n\nexcept for, she did?",
">\n\nIt is the same way they treat the Bible or the constitution. They cherry-pick the parts they like and disregard all other context and meaning.",
">\n\nThe funniest part to me is how Republicans would literally be tripping over themselves in a heartbeat to nominate this Dr. Dre as their presidential candidate if he came out as conservative in the middle of a string of incidents where he said some very offensive, politically incorrect things. They would become so obnoxious overnight about blasting his music from every diesel-guzzling vehicle in the country, shrieking about how he's a real doctor and Jill Biden is an imposter, etc. (Not that The Chronic wouldn't be a welcome improvement on its own over their current choices.)\nThey'd all sell their tacky MAGA shit to start trapping and making beats to get rich like their new god hero merely because a top 10 Q-Anon influencer was having a slow week and falling behind on rent, so she made a suggestive video wildly misinterpreting a Dre lyric about getting his dick sucked \"liberally\" or something, then highlighting his conservative bonafides like being a CEO of a huge company he created, a legacy of homophobic lyrics, and credible accusations of violence against women in public. There would be so many bad Republican thug life videos and memes for a while, many of which would inexplicably and mistakenly use pics of Ice Cube. Conspiracies would abound that Snoop was Q, Death Row was a front for white hat* conservative lunatics, and that Eazy-E was going to be reincarnated as JFK Junior.\nInteresting historical note: most of you are probably too young to remember this, but conservatives went through a similar phase briefly in the late 90s over a misunderstanding of something Silkk the Shocker said on stage. They were all suddenly sagging their pants and calling Bill Clinton wack. \nLet's also never forget how they were ideologically catfished by Soulja Boy when he first broke out, too. They simply reek of desperation for black celebrity support. A cultural icon like Dr. Dre is so far out of their league, I'm surprised MTG would even play his music and risk humiliating herself. They're tokenists without a token. Sad.\n*Think about it, my good patriot homie: Death is the same number of letters as \"white.\" And Row is the same number of letters as \"hat.\" Thus, Dre and Snoop are clearly engaged in a noble, covert existential battle for the soul of the world against evil East Coast globalists. Or, like others suggest, was '90's hip hop even more malevolent than we thought: a false flag or psy-op in a Cold War between Patriots and the deep state?",
">\n\nThey're the same people who play Rage Against the Machine without stopping to realize those songs are all about them.",
">\n\nLiterally",
">\n\nHoly fuck that article is a decade old. There is a lot more back and forth that’s happened in the last couple years",
">\n\nIt’s a newer spin on the old ‘conservatives playing Born in the USA at rallies.’",
">\n\n\n\"They can't stop what's coming,\" she captioned the video.\n\nI thought she'd denounced QAnon?\nShe probably thought that she was being smart, but amazingly, no.",
">\n\nHer and the new guy know they need someone in their corner or else they’ll be thrown to the wolves. He threw the WP symbol hoping that they’d run to his defense like they do with the other idiots. They’ve told too many lies they can’t keep their story straight at this point.",
">\n\nHer response was that the music sucks? Really? It just keeps getting weirder.",
">\n\nTypical shitbag behavior. “I can’t have this? Well fuck you, I didn’t want it anyway, it sucks!”",
">\n\n“Nice guys” when they are rejected.",
">\n\nIt’s not a coincidence that incels/“nice guys” are also MAGA Republicans (at least in my experience)",
">\n\nIt’s the entitlement",
">\n\nI so miss the days where people would apologize. Instead of; admit nothing, double down, attack, attack. Where do they learn this?\nHome? \"Remember. Magorie, you are right and everyone else is wrong.\" College? Finishing school?",
">\n\nIt's literally weakness to admit you're wrong, even when you're unequivocally wrong. Even when you've unequivocally done something to hypocritically undermine your own principles. Even when you are clearly talking out of both sides of your ass during the same nationally-televised public appearance.",
">\n\nAre you serious? Because if so, I am really curious about your definition of strength. You see, I actually consider admitting when you are in the wrong to actually be a strength. \nDoubly so if you do it on the Internet. I don’t see how it’s a weakness to state fact.",
">\n\nI completely agree with you, friend. \nI was talking about how conservatives apparently seem to think about the issue, lol.",
">\n\nOh snap. My bad. I totally thought you were advocating a different position. I was wrong.",
">\n\nI mean, there are pretty openly toxic and evil people out there, so you never know, lol. Would've been a lot of self-awareness for that type, but still.",
">\n\nMr. Dre Mr. N.W.A Mr.AK straight outta Compton gonna make MTG pay",
">\n\nDre! Dre! Dre!",
">\n\nShe made one crucial mistake, she forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nAh! The classic blunder!",
">\n\nshe has a face like an anthropomorphic shoe drawn in the 40's.",
">\n\nWhen I was younger I didn't realize \"butterface\" was just code for \"but her face.\" I thought it was someone whose face looked like it had been haphazardly sculpted out of shimmery half-melted butter. In other words, MTG's face.",
">\n\nThis made me smile. It strikes me as a much more wholesome and creative misogynist phrase your way, lol. Butterfaces by this definition would exist in the same linguistic universe as pizza faces, I suppose.",
">\n\nI read that as “porno” and threw up a bit.",
">\n\nSame",
">\n\nThis song is more fitting for ol' Marge:\nNowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say\nBut nothing comes out when they move their lips\nJust a bunch of gibberish\nAnd motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre",
">\n\nFun fact - that hook was originally meant for Snoop, Eminem just recorded some reference vocals and they were too dope not to use.",
">\n\nNothing against Snoop, but I just can’t imagine it sounding as good as Eminem did it.",
">\n\nLike the little kid who never wanted to play with your toy. Except steal it, play with it, brag about it. Then when the kid wants his toy back, you just exclaim \"stupid toy, I never even liked it, it sucks and so do you\" - MTG",
">\n\n\n\"One might expect that, as a member of Congress, you would have a passing familiarity with the laws of our country. It's possible, though, that laws governing intellectual property are a little too arcane and insufficiently populist for you to really have spent much time on,\" the letter continued.\n\nUm, Dr. Dre, umm, you know she actually doesn’t have any of that? She did not serve on any committees in her first term, didn’t create any new legislation. And just being a person is a little arcane for her, you might have noticed that from her other ads and her comments about Jan 6.",
">\n\nClearly this is Dre's legal team trolling the dumbest woman in congress.",
">\n\nHow dare you slander Lauren Boebert like that.",
">\n\nI am honestly confused time and time again how people like her are voted into office. Are the alternatives even worse or are there groups of Americans that dumb? Is there a republican pill or something to ingest so crap that spews from their mouths is believable or is someone slipping something into the water used to make Kool-Aid perhaps?",
">\n\n\nIs there a republican pill or something to ingest \n\nYes, it's called FoxNews.\nAnd Rush Limbaugh, before that.\nbefore him, others... authoritarians are easy to corral and spook, and someone has been doing just that since the beginning of time.",
">\n\nFun fact, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.",
">\n\nThanks, I needed this reminder this morning.",
">\n\nIt’s funny considering her district is 78% white and rural and her thinking I’ll make a video they’ll like with a beat by Dre",
">\n\nSo far 2023 is the weirdest timeline",
">\n\nThank you Dr Dre",
">\n\nYou don't fuck with Dre",
">\n\nShe needs to call Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. I’m sure either would be happy to provide a soundtrack to her lunacy.",
">\n\nBut she wanted some good music.",
">\n\nMTG forgot about Dre.",
">\n\nFirst of all, how dare you? \nDon’t use Dre for evil.",
">\n\nYou gonna take advice from somebody who slapped Dee Barnes?",
">\n\nFkn eh good on you doc",
">\n\nCopyright law is a hell of a drug.",
">\n\nSo she uses the song, and her response when bring told she can't use it is \"I didn't actually like it anyway\" they truly are masters of hypocrisy",
">\n\nI'd say today it was a good day.",
">\n\nYo Dre. I got something to say. \nFuck MTG!",
">\n\nShe forgot about Dre."
] |
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