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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do."
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I'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point."
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In this country punishment is free. Help will cost you. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you."
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Damn dude | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you."
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I am a dudette. But get the sentiment.
My schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude"
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I can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through."
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful."
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Well at least the dog lived | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety."
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived"
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The purrfect crime I’d say | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?"
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That’s a cat | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say"
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat"
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow"
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance."
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I live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.
York County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.
So what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them.
It’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do? | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide"
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I grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?"
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I wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in."
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Or even something like mold. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide."
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This is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold."
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“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.
Understatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison."
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Honestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while"
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I'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story"
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart."
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?"
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Look man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?"
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No argument here.
I was asking not chastising you. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper"
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Well, then let me chastise you.
How dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?
Get with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you."
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez."
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Don’t forget your Ouija board | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!"
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Of course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party! | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board"
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Religion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!"
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What are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen."
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Very very sad 😢
I wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out."
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I'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the "Maury Show" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare"
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the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders
I'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading."
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I found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :( | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing."
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Holy fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :("
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Really not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter.
As a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe? | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn."
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?"
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I mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine? | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck."
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Oh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?"
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT"
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted."
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All life has value, whether the person realizes it or not. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value."
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Lmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value?
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not."
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath"
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying."
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We need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list.
Seriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”"
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Never trust people without bushes and hedges. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area."
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges."
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Fucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest."
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Some cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it."
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So, let's break it down
It's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:
Little regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common
Leaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa)
So the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices."
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Hyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion"
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"Follow me as I follow Christ." Yep, mental illness. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went."
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness."
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My son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.
I'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america."
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion."
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This happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please"
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Reminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.
Might just be crazy tho 🤣 | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school"
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Both parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too.
The hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?! | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣"
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!"
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If three adults all agree to kill them selves let that shit go. One of them shoulda said something but here we are. Pennsylvania sucks and I wanted to kms when I was living there too. So ik | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!",
">\n\nAs long as they mill themselves, I couldn’t care less. It’s when they kill their minor children or innocent bystanders that I care."
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Is the house up for sale I need a place | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!",
">\n\nAs long as they mill themselves, I couldn’t care less. It’s when they kill their minor children or innocent bystanders that I care.",
">\n\nIf three adults all agree to kill them selves let that shit go. One of them shoulda said something but here we are. Pennsylvania sucks and I wanted to kms when I was living there too. So ik"
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!",
">\n\nAs long as they mill themselves, I couldn’t care less. It’s when they kill their minor children or innocent bystanders that I care.",
">\n\nIf three adults all agree to kill them selves let that shit go. One of them shoulda said something but here we are. Pennsylvania sucks and I wanted to kms when I was living there too. So ik",
">\n\nIs the house up for sale I need a place"
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"The 6-second video had no sound and contained only a single frame with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”"
Because religion is such a wonderful thing, FFS. Normalizing the idea of an invisible man who lives in the sky is absolutely a factor in these situations, until people grow up and stop believing in fairy tales this shit will only continue. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!",
">\n\nAs long as they mill themselves, I couldn’t care less. It’s when they kill their minor children or innocent bystanders that I care.",
">\n\nIf three adults all agree to kill them selves let that shit go. One of them shoulda said something but here we are. Pennsylvania sucks and I wanted to kms when I was living there too. So ik",
">\n\nIs the house up for sale I need a place",
">\n\nGlad to hear that the doggo is OK."
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This sorry is effing grim. Sheesh.
There no heaven or hell. But some people’s lives are hell. And some people’s lives are heaven. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!",
">\n\nAs long as they mill themselves, I couldn’t care less. It’s when they kill their minor children or innocent bystanders that I care.",
">\n\nIf three adults all agree to kill them selves let that shit go. One of them shoulda said something but here we are. Pennsylvania sucks and I wanted to kms when I was living there too. So ik",
">\n\nIs the house up for sale I need a place",
">\n\nGlad to hear that the doggo is OK.",
">\n\n\"The 6-second video had no sound and contained only a single frame with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”\"\nBecause religion is such a wonderful thing, FFS. Normalizing the idea of an invisible man who lives in the sky is absolutely a factor in these situations, until people grow up and stop believing in fairy tales this shit will only continue."
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Mental health services have been poorly lacking in this country forever and every time it’s brought up our government and health insurers decide that it’s too costly to cover and the proposals go nowhere. Rinse and repeat every time there’s another tragedy. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!",
">\n\nAs long as they mill themselves, I couldn’t care less. It’s when they kill their minor children or innocent bystanders that I care.",
">\n\nIf three adults all agree to kill them selves let that shit go. One of them shoulda said something but here we are. Pennsylvania sucks and I wanted to kms when I was living there too. So ik",
">\n\nIs the house up for sale I need a place",
">\n\nGlad to hear that the doggo is OK.",
">\n\n\"The 6-second video had no sound and contained only a single frame with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”\"\nBecause religion is such a wonderful thing, FFS. Normalizing the idea of an invisible man who lives in the sky is absolutely a factor in these situations, until people grow up and stop believing in fairy tales this shit will only continue.",
">\n\nThis sorry is effing grim. Sheesh.\nThere no heaven or hell. But some people’s lives are hell. And some people’s lives are heaven."
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Interesting that they bothered wearing hearing protection lmao | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!",
">\n\nAs long as they mill themselves, I couldn’t care less. It’s when they kill their minor children or innocent bystanders that I care.",
">\n\nIf three adults all agree to kill them selves let that shit go. One of them shoulda said something but here we are. Pennsylvania sucks and I wanted to kms when I was living there too. So ik",
">\n\nIs the house up for sale I need a place",
">\n\nGlad to hear that the doggo is OK.",
">\n\n\"The 6-second video had no sound and contained only a single frame with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”\"\nBecause religion is such a wonderful thing, FFS. Normalizing the idea of an invisible man who lives in the sky is absolutely a factor in these situations, until people grow up and stop believing in fairy tales this shit will only continue.",
">\n\nThis sorry is effing grim. Sheesh.\nThere no heaven or hell. But some people’s lives are hell. And some people’s lives are heaven.",
">\n\nMental health services have been poorly lacking in this country forever and every time it’s brought up our government and health insurers decide that it’s too costly to cover and the proposals go nowhere. Rinse and repeat every time there’s another tragedy."
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!",
">\n\nAs long as they mill themselves, I couldn’t care less. It’s when they kill their minor children or innocent bystanders that I care.",
">\n\nIf three adults all agree to kill them selves let that shit go. One of them shoulda said something but here we are. Pennsylvania sucks and I wanted to kms when I was living there too. So ik",
">\n\nIs the house up for sale I need a place",
">\n\nGlad to hear that the doggo is OK.",
">\n\n\"The 6-second video had no sound and contained only a single frame with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”\"\nBecause religion is such a wonderful thing, FFS. Normalizing the idea of an invisible man who lives in the sky is absolutely a factor in these situations, until people grow up and stop believing in fairy tales this shit will only continue.",
">\n\nThis sorry is effing grim. Sheesh.\nThere no heaven or hell. But some people’s lives are hell. And some people’s lives are heaven.",
">\n\nMental health services have been poorly lacking in this country forever and every time it’s brought up our government and health insurers decide that it’s too costly to cover and the proposals go nowhere. Rinse and repeat every time there’s another tragedy.",
">\n\nInteresting that they bothered wearing hearing protection lmao"
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!",
">\n\nAs long as they mill themselves, I couldn’t care less. It’s when they kill their minor children or innocent bystanders that I care.",
">\n\nIf three adults all agree to kill them selves let that shit go. One of them shoulda said something but here we are. Pennsylvania sucks and I wanted to kms when I was living there too. So ik",
">\n\nIs the house up for sale I need a place",
">\n\nGlad to hear that the doggo is OK.",
">\n\n\"The 6-second video had no sound and contained only a single frame with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”\"\nBecause religion is such a wonderful thing, FFS. Normalizing the idea of an invisible man who lives in the sky is absolutely a factor in these situations, until people grow up and stop believing in fairy tales this shit will only continue.",
">\n\nThis sorry is effing grim. Sheesh.\nThere no heaven or hell. But some people’s lives are hell. And some people’s lives are heaven.",
">\n\nMental health services have been poorly lacking in this country forever and every time it’s brought up our government and health insurers decide that it’s too costly to cover and the proposals go nowhere. Rinse and repeat every time there’s another tragedy.",
">\n\nInteresting that they bothered wearing hearing protection lmao",
">\n\nI really wonder if there was some environmental factor causing the mental health issues. Like some sort of toxin in their home air."
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Truly tragic, borderline eerie. | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!",
">\n\nAs long as they mill themselves, I couldn’t care less. It’s when they kill their minor children or innocent bystanders that I care.",
">\n\nIf three adults all agree to kill them selves let that shit go. One of them shoulda said something but here we are. Pennsylvania sucks and I wanted to kms when I was living there too. So ik",
">\n\nIs the house up for sale I need a place",
">\n\nGlad to hear that the doggo is OK.",
">\n\n\"The 6-second video had no sound and contained only a single frame with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”\"\nBecause religion is such a wonderful thing, FFS. Normalizing the idea of an invisible man who lives in the sky is absolutely a factor in these situations, until people grow up and stop believing in fairy tales this shit will only continue.",
">\n\nThis sorry is effing grim. Sheesh.\nThere no heaven or hell. But some people’s lives are hell. And some people’s lives are heaven.",
">\n\nMental health services have been poorly lacking in this country forever and every time it’s brought up our government and health insurers decide that it’s too costly to cover and the proposals go nowhere. Rinse and repeat every time there’s another tragedy.",
">\n\nInteresting that they bothered wearing hearing protection lmao",
">\n\nI really wonder if there was some environmental factor causing the mental health issues. Like some sort of toxin in their home air.",
">\n\nOur natural response is sadness; if there is a bright side to this, they are no longer suffering. Rest in peace, and in pieces."
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That is just so many shades of awful | [
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!",
">\n\nAs long as they mill themselves, I couldn’t care less. It’s when they kill their minor children or innocent bystanders that I care.",
">\n\nIf three adults all agree to kill them selves let that shit go. One of them shoulda said something but here we are. Pennsylvania sucks and I wanted to kms when I was living there too. So ik",
">\n\nIs the house up for sale I need a place",
">\n\nGlad to hear that the doggo is OK.",
">\n\n\"The 6-second video had no sound and contained only a single frame with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”\"\nBecause religion is such a wonderful thing, FFS. Normalizing the idea of an invisible man who lives in the sky is absolutely a factor in these situations, until people grow up and stop believing in fairy tales this shit will only continue.",
">\n\nThis sorry is effing grim. Sheesh.\nThere no heaven or hell. But some people’s lives are hell. And some people’s lives are heaven.",
">\n\nMental health services have been poorly lacking in this country forever and every time it’s brought up our government and health insurers decide that it’s too costly to cover and the proposals go nowhere. Rinse and repeat every time there’s another tragedy.",
">\n\nInteresting that they bothered wearing hearing protection lmao",
">\n\nI really wonder if there was some environmental factor causing the mental health issues. Like some sort of toxin in their home air.",
">\n\nOur natural response is sadness; if there is a bright side to this, they are no longer suffering. Rest in peace, and in pieces.",
">\n\nTruly tragic, borderline eerie."
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!",
">\n\nAs long as they mill themselves, I couldn’t care less. It’s when they kill their minor children or innocent bystanders that I care.",
">\n\nIf three adults all agree to kill them selves let that shit go. One of them shoulda said something but here we are. Pennsylvania sucks and I wanted to kms when I was living there too. So ik",
">\n\nIs the house up for sale I need a place",
">\n\nGlad to hear that the doggo is OK.",
">\n\n\"The 6-second video had no sound and contained only a single frame with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”\"\nBecause religion is such a wonderful thing, FFS. Normalizing the idea of an invisible man who lives in the sky is absolutely a factor in these situations, until people grow up and stop believing in fairy tales this shit will only continue.",
">\n\nThis sorry is effing grim. Sheesh.\nThere no heaven or hell. But some people’s lives are hell. And some people’s lives are heaven.",
">\n\nMental health services have been poorly lacking in this country forever and every time it’s brought up our government and health insurers decide that it’s too costly to cover and the proposals go nowhere. Rinse and repeat every time there’s another tragedy.",
">\n\nInteresting that they bothered wearing hearing protection lmao",
">\n\nI really wonder if there was some environmental factor causing the mental health issues. Like some sort of toxin in their home air.",
">\n\nOur natural response is sadness; if there is a bright side to this, they are no longer suffering. Rest in peace, and in pieces.",
">\n\nTruly tragic, borderline eerie.",
">\n\nThat is just so many shades of awful"
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!",
">\n\nAs long as they mill themselves, I couldn’t care less. It’s when they kill their minor children or innocent bystanders that I care.",
">\n\nIf three adults all agree to kill them selves let that shit go. One of them shoulda said something but here we are. Pennsylvania sucks and I wanted to kms when I was living there too. So ik",
">\n\nIs the house up for sale I need a place",
">\n\nGlad to hear that the doggo is OK.",
">\n\n\"The 6-second video had no sound and contained only a single frame with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”\"\nBecause religion is such a wonderful thing, FFS. Normalizing the idea of an invisible man who lives in the sky is absolutely a factor in these situations, until people grow up and stop believing in fairy tales this shit will only continue.",
">\n\nThis sorry is effing grim. Sheesh.\nThere no heaven or hell. But some people’s lives are hell. And some people’s lives are heaven.",
">\n\nMental health services have been poorly lacking in this country forever and every time it’s brought up our government and health insurers decide that it’s too costly to cover and the proposals go nowhere. Rinse and repeat every time there’s another tragedy.",
">\n\nInteresting that they bothered wearing hearing protection lmao",
">\n\nI really wonder if there was some environmental factor causing the mental health issues. Like some sort of toxin in their home air.",
">\n\nOur natural response is sadness; if there is a bright side to this, they are no longer suffering. Rest in peace, and in pieces.",
">\n\nTruly tragic, borderline eerie.",
">\n\nThat is just so many shades of awful",
">\n\nThis is so tragic…no need for this at all…"
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.",
">\n\nI imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.",
">\n\nGood point.",
">\n\nI'm not sure how much I like that it occurred to me, but thank you.",
">\n\nIn this country punishment is free. Help will cost you.",
">\n\nDamn dude",
">\n\nI am a dudette. But get the sentiment.\nMy schizophrenic kid successfully commit suicide on the third try. I’ve got a bit of an idea of what these people went through.",
">\n\nI can imagine you're sick of hearing this, but I'm really sorry for your loss. A guy in my group therapy program has schizophrenia, and some of the symptoms he's described sound awful.",
">\n\nFull credit to these people for seeing to the dog's safety.",
">\n\nWell at least the dog lived",
">\n\nA little suspicious, isn’t it?",
">\n\nThe purrfect crime I’d say",
">\n\nThat’s a cat",
">\n\nExactly. Already off to Mexico by meow",
">\n\nDrastic paw-lastic surgery to change his appearance.",
">\n\nCheck that house for carbon monoxide",
">\n\nI live about 20 minutes away from where this happened. I feel a lot of ways about it. Obviously, the lack of access to mental health care or maybe the stigma against getting treatment for these sorts of delusions is at play here. But I think there’s an insidious aspect of the culture of this area that really needs to be addressed.\nYork County is considered a suburban county, and we even have a city (York City). But a lot of the county is very rural, uneducated, and poor. I went to one of the more rural high schools, and graduated in 2010. Our class started out with just over 500 kids in 9th grade, but only 380ish graduated. While some of those kids probably moved or went to the county tech school, a LOT dropped out. The problem? The blue collar jobs around here do not pay well, and while there are a lot of farms, it’s increasingly becoming harder to run a profitable farm unless you own hundreds of acres of farmable land. The quaint family farms (most of the farms around here) can’t cut it anymore. In fact, the Amish are buying them up. We just got new Amish neighbors down the street. At the same time, a lot of Maryland money is moving into the county, especially at the southern end of the county. Maryland real estate is really expensive, so people who work in Maryland (and make more money in Towson/Baltimore etc) have been moving in for years, but I think it’s been ramping up even more now that people have more flexible work schedules. So i think poorer York County natives are dealing with skyrocketing home values in addition to inflation in all other areas of the economy as well.\nSo what I’ve noticed is a lot of people here are struggling and BITTER. They need help but have drunk the bootstraps koolaide to the point that they can’t even admit they’re lower middle class/poor even though they spent their entire lives working a dirty job. They’re ashamed to get help. Also, because it’s so rural, their struggles are more hidden. Like literally, hidden in the woods. And I’m sure they resent that a lot of the assistance programs are in the city, even though they continually vote Republican and elect people who don’t believe in helping them. \nIt’s sad to see, and some of my family definitely falls into this category. But they vote for the wrong people and blame the wrong people so what can you do?",
">\n\nI grew up in Berks/Lancaster County. Now I live just south of Baltimore. You are spot on. My wife’s family is from rural Lancaster county and does not understand mental health whatsoever. I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault. It’s just the world they grew up in.",
">\n\nI wonder if they tested the home for carbon monoxide.",
">\n\nOr even something like mold.",
">\n\nThis is so sad. Mental health access needs to be prioritized but it's not. In my hometown a universally loved middle school teacher and his wife (who was also a teacher) were stabbed by their son who was in the throes of religious hallucinations and violent delusions. They sought alternative care for him rather than putting him in a facility and tried to keep his disease quiet. The wife survived and the son is in a facility rather than prison.",
">\n\n\n“It’s tragic what happened to this family,” Detective Fink told the outlet.\n\nUnderstatement of the year, that’s the saddest article I’ve read in a while",
">\n\nHonestly I think innocent people getting shot and killed by strangers at random is much sadder. This story is terrible but it sounds like they all went willingly even if the decisions weren’t the result of having a sound mind. Still a very sad story",
">\n\nI'd put them at about equally sad, but that's just my opinion. It's still families being ripped apart.",
">\n\nHow much for the house ?",
">\n\nToo soon?",
">\n\nLook man it's a house that's haunted it's gonna be cheaper",
">\n\nNo argument here.\nI was asking not chastising you.",
">\n\nWell, then let me chastise you.\nHow dare you bother spreading your intention to buy this house around Reddit? Why aren’t you down there with cash in hand to “help”?\nGet with it, sir, or ma’am. Geez.",
">\n\nI'm literally driving there with a briefcase full of cash as I text this!",
">\n\nThose are the spirits!\nDon’t forget your Ouija board",
">\n\nOf course not! I'm already planning my Halloween party!",
">\n\nReligion and psychologically stable people is bad enough. Throw in some mental illness and things like this happen.",
">\n\nWhat are the odds that all 3 individuals were truly on board with this murder suicide plot… this is unfortunate but extremely interesting in a psychological sense. One had psychological issues, okay… but as a religious parent knowing that “suicide” is a sin… what mindset do you have to get on board with this? How does this conversation take place. I am hoping more information comes out.",
">\n\nVery very sad 😢 \nI wish the daughter could have received mental healthcare",
">\n\nI'm just always thrown off by this news outlet because their logo is so close to the \"Maury Show\" and puts a weird spin on the headline in my mind before reading.",
">\n\n\nthe dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders\n\nI'm glad they did this, but It's even more sad that this was a thing.",
">\n\nI found her link tree and just went down a crazy rabbit hole. Wish she could’ve got the help she desperately needed. :(",
">\n\nHoly fuck. This is a couple minutes from my house growing up. I probably rode my bike by this house a hundred times. Damn.",
">\n\nReally not fair to judge these people w/o walking in their shoes; very possible no treatments worked for the daughter. \nAs a parent I can't even imagine how difficult that road was but it seems like they made a choice to be with their daughter; for some reason the normal 'sad, tragic' doesn't feel right - heartbreaking maybe?",
">\n\nThis chick thought she was the queen of England? \nHoly delusional fuck.",
">\n\nI mean, though, really, if you’re gonna have to imagine that you are someone… she could’ve been hallucinating that she was Jeffrey Dahmer. Or Louis CK. Can you imagine?",
">\n\nOh dear Lord, not Louis CK. Her poor mother, having to be forced to watch all THAT",
">\n\nThat is a lot of life wasted.",
">\n\nThat depends on if they felt their lives had value.",
">\n\nAll life has value, whether the person realizes it or not.",
">\n\nLmao, why is this person getting downvoted so hard for saying life has inherit value? \nY'all need to touch some grass and take a breath",
">\n\nI'm saying.",
">\n\nSo she shot them both then herself...Also posted a video to youtube days before with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”",
">\n\nWe need more access to mental health care/providers/facilities. It seems if you are in crisis you get hospitalized, medicated, released, repeat. Or if you seek therapy/counseling you get placed on a waiting list. \nSeriously… I could get cosmetic surgery faster than mental health care in my area.",
">\n\nNever trust people without bushes and hedges.",
">\n\nJust another day in PA to be honest.",
">\n\nFucking country is failing it's people. This is tragic as hell, I wish I didn't read it.",
">\n\nSome cultures don’t view suicide the way we do. I’m not saying this is a cause for celebration but they made their choices.",
">\n\nSo, let's break it down\nIt's a highly Christian family (parents were ordained ministers), a religion which classically falls into several trends:\n\n\nLittle regard for professional mental health (possibly seeking spiritual answers, since clearly none other were considered) which is unfortunately so common\n\n\nLeaning right, which though there's NO indication of that in this article, WOULD explain the weird government surveillance rhetoric and gun ownership typically correlated with this ideology, so I'll assume this since it would fall within very typical correlations to both factors (Christians do very often trend right wing and vice versa) \n\n\nSo the thing about it is, although religion and political ideology did not cause these deaths, it led a perfect storm to create the unsafe conditions and reasoning and accessibility that facilitated it. A mentally unstable family with access to guns forgo professional help and form a suicide pact likely believing they'll simply meet up in heaven afterwards\nIt's a tragedy of an almost cosmically ironic logical conclusion",
">\n\nHyper religious people hearing voices, believing irrational nonsense. Big surprise - religion teaches people to ignore reality and substitute fantasy. IMO the only tragedy here is the dog not understanding where his people went.",
">\n\n\"Follow me as I follow Christ.\" Yep, mental illness.",
">\n\nThere are now entire families committing suicide in america.",
">\n\nMy son and husband both struggle with depression. There was a moment in time where it felt like the most reasonable, maybe even most humane, thing I could do would be to take all three of us out.\nI'm really grateful I chose another path, but I can certainly empathize with the family. I hope they find peace in oblivion.",
">\n\nI would like to buy 1 Murder house cheaply please",
">\n\nThis happened literally five streets over from me, super crazy story. I used to ride the bus past this house to school",
">\n\nReminds me of that famous thread where Reddit saved a guy from being slowly poisoned by CO.\nMight just be crazy tho 🤣",
">\n\nBoth parents were “ordained ministers” and their daughter was batshit. Three more “Christians” in a murder of their entire family over literally insane persecution conspiracy nonsense. At least this time they didn’t set the house on fire too. \nThe hearing protection part makes no sense. I’d bet the daughter made it all up, forged/planted her parents’ letters, drugged them and the dog, and used the hearing protection to prevent them from waking up while she shot them and finally herself. Otherwise why the fuck would you wear hearing protection?!",
">\n\nAs long as they mill themselves, I couldn’t care less. It’s when they kill their minor children or innocent bystanders that I care.",
">\n\nIf three adults all agree to kill them selves let that shit go. One of them shoulda said something but here we are. Pennsylvania sucks and I wanted to kms when I was living there too. So ik",
">\n\nIs the house up for sale I need a place",
">\n\nGlad to hear that the doggo is OK.",
">\n\n\"The 6-second video had no sound and contained only a single frame with the words “FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST!!!”\"\nBecause religion is such a wonderful thing, FFS. Normalizing the idea of an invisible man who lives in the sky is absolutely a factor in these situations, until people grow up and stop believing in fairy tales this shit will only continue.",
">\n\nThis sorry is effing grim. Sheesh.\nThere no heaven or hell. But some people’s lives are hell. And some people’s lives are heaven.",
">\n\nMental health services have been poorly lacking in this country forever and every time it’s brought up our government and health insurers decide that it’s too costly to cover and the proposals go nowhere. Rinse and repeat every time there’s another tragedy.",
">\n\nInteresting that they bothered wearing hearing protection lmao",
">\n\nI really wonder if there was some environmental factor causing the mental health issues. Like some sort of toxin in their home air.",
">\n\nOur natural response is sadness; if there is a bright side to this, they are no longer suffering. Rest in peace, and in pieces.",
">\n\nTruly tragic, borderline eerie.",
">\n\nThat is just so many shades of awful",
">\n\nThis is so tragic…no need for this at all…",
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I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always "Good. That's what should happen." Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up. | [] |
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let’s check everyone else while we’re at it! | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up."
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I'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!"
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It's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now!
/s | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s"
] |
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Oh yeah, forgot. Thnx! | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s"
] |
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Why is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!"
] |
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Yeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit. | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties"
] |
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Especially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes. | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit."
] |
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Cool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.
I'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.
Look into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why "an alarming number" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.
Prosecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law. | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes."
] |
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They don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory. | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law."
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Why didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties
This seems a little over the top | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory."
] |
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It's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant.
On the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.
In the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.
Sources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search.
In the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required. | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top"
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Can we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples? | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required."
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Witch hunt! | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?"
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It is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did. | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!"
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Impossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did."
] |
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I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always "Good. That's what should happen." Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up. | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden"
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let’s check everyone else while we’re at it! | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up."
] |
>
I'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!"
] |
>
It's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now!
/s | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s"
] |
>
Oh yeah, forgot. Thnx! | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s"
] |
>
Why is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!"
] |
>
Yeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit. | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties"
] |
>
Especially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes. | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit."
] |
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