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Cool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.
I'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.
Look into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why "an alarming number" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.
Prosecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law. | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes."
] |
>
They don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory. | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law."
] |
>
Why didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties
This seems a little over the top | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory."
] |
>
It's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant.
On the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.
In the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.
Sources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search.
In the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required. | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top"
] |
>
Can we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples? | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required."
] |
>
Witch hunt! | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?"
] |
>
It is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did. | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!"
] |
>
Impossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did."
] |
> | [
"I keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden",
">\n\nI keep seeing these headlines and how Biden is fully cooperating. My response is always \"Good. That's what should happen.\" Not getting any sense that he's covering something nefarious up.",
">\n\nlet’s check everyone else while we’re at it!",
">\n\nI'm confused. Why doesn't PRESIDENT Biden just use his executive power powers and just mentality de-classify all these documents instantaneously. I was told the PRESIDENT has that power. All he has to do is think it and it's done. Right? /s",
">\n\nIt's a deep state plot! They were planted there years ago, all to unfold now! \n/s",
">\n\nOh yeah, forgot. Thnx!",
">\n\nWhy is Biden being treated so unfairly? The FBI only looked at one of Trumps properties",
">\n\nYeah, I guess he's willingly allowing it but it's still stark. If they're going to search beach houses and crap, there's quite a few golf clubs that they should visit.",
">\n\nEspecially since Biden is the current president... I think this speaks volumes as to the damage Trump and the russian hand goes.",
">\n\nCool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.\nI'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.\nLook into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why \"an alarming number\" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.\nProsecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.",
">\n\nThey don’t listen anyway so I am pushing to my MAGA friends and family that this is the raid on Biden that they have been asking for and proves that the doj is non partisan. They kind of have nowhere to go. It’s been months of yelling out about weaponised doj doing Biden bidding for him. It’s a fruitless yet small victory.",
">\n\nWhy didn't the FBI go to every one of Trump's properties\nThis seems a little over the top",
">\n\nIt's in part establishing probable cause. You can't just search willy-nilly. (In theory) LE needs to show that a specific location has a specific item(s) they are looking for, in order to obtain a warrant. \nOn the other hand, You don't need a warrant if you're invited in.\nIn the case of Biden the FBI asked if they can search Biden's other properties. Biden agreed to allow them in.\n\nSources familiar with the matter told CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. No warrant was sought for the search. \n\nIn the case of Trump, he's going to stonewall and stamp his feet as much as possible. establishing probable cause that those other properties have classified documents in order to force a search is required.",
">\n\nCan we call it a raid though and stoke outrage amongst the peoples?",
">\n\nWitch hunt!",
">\n\nIt is an amazing look at how one side cooperates with the law and the other does whatever Trump did.",
">\n\nImpossible. According to the right-wing universe the DOJ is covering up for Biden"
] |
Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.
That's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise | [] |
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Which ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise"
] |
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Agreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass."
] |
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Well I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders."
] |
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I suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:
Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation
As well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were"
] |
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Ahh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS."
] |
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It is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well."
] |
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Yes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff."
] |
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There is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on"
] |
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Alright, I'll bite.
Whats the third option? | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit"
] |
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We test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command.
Their missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?"
] |
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I'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia.
Their warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.
Which could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.
Potentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.
Likely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.
But I like what you're putting down, ngl.
Edit; words | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10."
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Russia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!
^^^^/s | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words"
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It would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s"
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I hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗 | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S"
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What does it mean ? | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗"
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That Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.
Hence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?"
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I don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls."
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Why would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes"
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They don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes."
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"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away" | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims"
] |
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Simply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now? | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\""
] |
>
Nukes, the circular reasoning weapon | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?"
] |
>
Of course they are.
It’s Russia.
Did we expect honesty out of Putins empire? | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon"
] |
>
They’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?"
] |
>
Can someone explain this in Naruto terms | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with."
] |
>
Hidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms"
] |
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This was highkey a perfect explanation lmao. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts."
] |
>
Perhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao."
] |
>
Man, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war.
Seriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO.
And I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual.
Xi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it.
Let’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order."
] |
>
Breaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end."
] |
>
Condi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again! | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction"
] |
>
Like this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!"
] |
>
Because the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed."
] |
>
This is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos."
] |
>
They probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands"
] |
>
Russia stands for violation. It’s ok for them | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law."
] |
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Violation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case.. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them"
] |
>
Putin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case.."
] |
>
This war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)
A nuclear war means no legacy for him | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war."
] |
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And absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him"
] |
>
fear mongering. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised."
] |
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“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends”
I wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering."
] |
>
Russia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine."
] |
>
Honest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war? | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all"
] |
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In your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule? | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?"
] |
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I can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?"
] |
>
Give them an inch and they will take a mile | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose."
] |
>
I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military? | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile"
] |
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If we were fighting a war with them, they'd know. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?"
] |
>
Exactly | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know."
] |
>
Are we that fucking surprised? | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly"
] |
>
Honestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong.. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?"
] |
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Who cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong.."
] |
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Remember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit."
] |
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Am I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.
What are we doing, making these murdercontraptions? | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph."
] |
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Another Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?"
] |
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Ukraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition."
] |
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Okay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what? | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago"
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Hmmmmm! ELI5 | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?"
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the prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.
Which treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5"
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I know that but I was hoping that this was a teachable moment for /u/mindshift42 | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5",
">\n\n\nthe prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.\n\nWhich treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it"
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Read the edit. Get comfy, the source is a long read. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5",
">\n\n\nthe prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.\n\nWhich treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it",
">\n\nI know that but I was hoping that this was a teachable moment for /u/mindshift42"
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I'm familiar with the subject, I was hoping to spur you into realizing the error of your statement on your own.
A cursory reading of your source shows that even being generous to the Russian position, they have absolutely no evidence or verifiable documentation of such an agreement ever being enforced or agreed upon. The argument in support of Russia leans into arguing for the validity of 'informal agreements' and implied assurances.
Gorbachev confirmed that the context of the discussion on NATO expansion was entirely centered on the territory of East Germany.
“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”
Even if your angle was based in truth, there are so many reasons to discount this supposed "agreement";
The idea that NATO would no longer need to accept new members was based on the premise that such a security alliance would no longer be necessary in a post Cold War Europe which was expected to unify it's cooperative interests. Yet Russia never made necessary strides towards a politically unified Europe and in fact continued conflicts with it's neighbors and dragging it's feet on removing it's troops from post-soviet countries. A 'constrained NATO' never emerged because Russia never began behaving as a cooperative actor and continued to assert a sphere of influence over Eastern Europe that violated the sovereignty of other countries.
Russia violated the "spirit" of any hypothetical 'informal agreement' themselves by never moving away from an imperialist stance and never honoring their implied assurances towards building a cooperative Europe.
No new members were admitted to NATO until 1999, by which point Russia had troops stationed in Georgia and Moldova that it had made an agreement to remove which it ultimately violated.
When Poland began openly discussion joining NATO, Yeltsin affirmed Polish sovereignty to join and said he "respected" the decision. He invoked no supposed agreement on non-expansion. He also affirmed support of the rights enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act.
All of this is besides the fact that holding the USSR and Russia to account for all of their own lies made in non-binding statements would mean they never would've deserved honesty from NATO in the first place.
Even furthermore; if some kind of binding agreement had actually been blatantly violated by the US, it STILL would in no way justify Russia victimizing other sovereign countries nor would it make the US culpable for Russian aggression | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5",
">\n\n\nthe prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.\n\nWhich treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it",
">\n\nI know that but I was hoping that this was a teachable moment for /u/mindshift42",
">\n\nRead the edit. Get comfy, the source is a long read."
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And this is the doorway in. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5",
">\n\n\nthe prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.\n\nWhich treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it",
">\n\nI know that but I was hoping that this was a teachable moment for /u/mindshift42",
">\n\nRead the edit. Get comfy, the source is a long read.",
">\n\nI'm familiar with the subject, I was hoping to spur you into realizing the error of your statement on your own. \nA cursory reading of your source shows that even being generous to the Russian position, they have absolutely no evidence or verifiable documentation of such an agreement ever being enforced or agreed upon. The argument in support of Russia leans into arguing for the validity of 'informal agreements' and implied assurances.\nGorbachev confirmed that the context of the discussion on NATO expansion was entirely centered on the territory of East Germany.\n\n“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”\n\nEven if your angle was based in truth, there are so many reasons to discount this supposed \"agreement\";\nThe idea that NATO would no longer need to accept new members was based on the premise that such a security alliance would no longer be necessary in a post Cold War Europe which was expected to unify it's cooperative interests. Yet Russia never made necessary strides towards a politically unified Europe and in fact continued conflicts with it's neighbors and dragging it's feet on removing it's troops from post-soviet countries. A 'constrained NATO' never emerged because Russia never began behaving as a cooperative actor and continued to assert a sphere of influence over Eastern Europe that violated the sovereignty of other countries.\nRussia violated the \"spirit\" of any hypothetical 'informal agreement' themselves by never moving away from an imperialist stance and never honoring their implied assurances towards building a cooperative Europe.\nNo new members were admitted to NATO until 1999, by which point Russia had troops stationed in Georgia and Moldova that it had made an agreement to remove which it ultimately violated.\nWhen Poland began openly discussion joining NATO, Yeltsin affirmed Polish sovereignty to join and said he \"respected\" the decision. He invoked no supposed agreement on non-expansion. He also affirmed support of the rights enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act.\nAll of this is besides the fact that holding the USSR and Russia to account for all of their own lies made in non-binding statements would mean they never would've deserved honesty from NATO in the first place.\nEven furthermore; if some kind of binding agreement had actually been blatantly violated by the US, it STILL would in no way justify Russia victimizing other sovereign countries nor would it make the US culpable for Russian aggression"
] |
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Doorway in to…what? | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5",
">\n\n\nthe prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.\n\nWhich treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it",
">\n\nI know that but I was hoping that this was a teachable moment for /u/mindshift42",
">\n\nRead the edit. Get comfy, the source is a long read.",
">\n\nI'm familiar with the subject, I was hoping to spur you into realizing the error of your statement on your own. \nA cursory reading of your source shows that even being generous to the Russian position, they have absolutely no evidence or verifiable documentation of such an agreement ever being enforced or agreed upon. The argument in support of Russia leans into arguing for the validity of 'informal agreements' and implied assurances.\nGorbachev confirmed that the context of the discussion on NATO expansion was entirely centered on the territory of East Germany.\n\n“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”\n\nEven if your angle was based in truth, there are so many reasons to discount this supposed \"agreement\";\nThe idea that NATO would no longer need to accept new members was based on the premise that such a security alliance would no longer be necessary in a post Cold War Europe which was expected to unify it's cooperative interests. Yet Russia never made necessary strides towards a politically unified Europe and in fact continued conflicts with it's neighbors and dragging it's feet on removing it's troops from post-soviet countries. A 'constrained NATO' never emerged because Russia never began behaving as a cooperative actor and continued to assert a sphere of influence over Eastern Europe that violated the sovereignty of other countries.\nRussia violated the \"spirit\" of any hypothetical 'informal agreement' themselves by never moving away from an imperialist stance and never honoring their implied assurances towards building a cooperative Europe.\nNo new members were admitted to NATO until 1999, by which point Russia had troops stationed in Georgia and Moldova that it had made an agreement to remove which it ultimately violated.\nWhen Poland began openly discussion joining NATO, Yeltsin affirmed Polish sovereignty to join and said he \"respected\" the decision. He invoked no supposed agreement on non-expansion. He also affirmed support of the rights enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act.\nAll of this is besides the fact that holding the USSR and Russia to account for all of their own lies made in non-binding statements would mean they never would've deserved honesty from NATO in the first place.\nEven furthermore; if some kind of binding agreement had actually been blatantly violated by the US, it STILL would in no way justify Russia victimizing other sovereign countries nor would it make the US culpable for Russian aggression",
">\n\nAnd this is the doorway in."
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"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5",
">\n\n\nthe prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.\n\nWhich treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it",
">\n\nI know that but I was hoping that this was a teachable moment for /u/mindshift42",
">\n\nRead the edit. Get comfy, the source is a long read.",
">\n\nI'm familiar with the subject, I was hoping to spur you into realizing the error of your statement on your own. \nA cursory reading of your source shows that even being generous to the Russian position, they have absolutely no evidence or verifiable documentation of such an agreement ever being enforced or agreed upon. The argument in support of Russia leans into arguing for the validity of 'informal agreements' and implied assurances.\nGorbachev confirmed that the context of the discussion on NATO expansion was entirely centered on the territory of East Germany.\n\n“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”\n\nEven if your angle was based in truth, there are so many reasons to discount this supposed \"agreement\";\nThe idea that NATO would no longer need to accept new members was based on the premise that such a security alliance would no longer be necessary in a post Cold War Europe which was expected to unify it's cooperative interests. Yet Russia never made necessary strides towards a politically unified Europe and in fact continued conflicts with it's neighbors and dragging it's feet on removing it's troops from post-soviet countries. A 'constrained NATO' never emerged because Russia never began behaving as a cooperative actor and continued to assert a sphere of influence over Eastern Europe that violated the sovereignty of other countries.\nRussia violated the \"spirit\" of any hypothetical 'informal agreement' themselves by never moving away from an imperialist stance and never honoring their implied assurances towards building a cooperative Europe.\nNo new members were admitted to NATO until 1999, by which point Russia had troops stationed in Georgia and Moldova that it had made an agreement to remove which it ultimately violated.\nWhen Poland began openly discussion joining NATO, Yeltsin affirmed Polish sovereignty to join and said he \"respected\" the decision. He invoked no supposed agreement on non-expansion. He also affirmed support of the rights enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act.\nAll of this is besides the fact that holding the USSR and Russia to account for all of their own lies made in non-binding statements would mean they never would've deserved honesty from NATO in the first place.\nEven furthermore; if some kind of binding agreement had actually been blatantly violated by the US, it STILL would in no way justify Russia victimizing other sovereign countries nor would it make the US culpable for Russian aggression",
">\n\nAnd this is the doorway in.",
">\n\nDoorway in to…what?"
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"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5",
">\n\n\nthe prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.\n\nWhich treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it",
">\n\nI know that but I was hoping that this was a teachable moment for /u/mindshift42",
">\n\nRead the edit. Get comfy, the source is a long read.",
">\n\nI'm familiar with the subject, I was hoping to spur you into realizing the error of your statement on your own. \nA cursory reading of your source shows that even being generous to the Russian position, they have absolutely no evidence or verifiable documentation of such an agreement ever being enforced or agreed upon. The argument in support of Russia leans into arguing for the validity of 'informal agreements' and implied assurances.\nGorbachev confirmed that the context of the discussion on NATO expansion was entirely centered on the territory of East Germany.\n\n“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”\n\nEven if your angle was based in truth, there are so many reasons to discount this supposed \"agreement\";\nThe idea that NATO would no longer need to accept new members was based on the premise that such a security alliance would no longer be necessary in a post Cold War Europe which was expected to unify it's cooperative interests. Yet Russia never made necessary strides towards a politically unified Europe and in fact continued conflicts with it's neighbors and dragging it's feet on removing it's troops from post-soviet countries. A 'constrained NATO' never emerged because Russia never began behaving as a cooperative actor and continued to assert a sphere of influence over Eastern Europe that violated the sovereignty of other countries.\nRussia violated the \"spirit\" of any hypothetical 'informal agreement' themselves by never moving away from an imperialist stance and never honoring their implied assurances towards building a cooperative Europe.\nNo new members were admitted to NATO until 1999, by which point Russia had troops stationed in Georgia and Moldova that it had made an agreement to remove which it ultimately violated.\nWhen Poland began openly discussion joining NATO, Yeltsin affirmed Polish sovereignty to join and said he \"respected\" the decision. He invoked no supposed agreement on non-expansion. He also affirmed support of the rights enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act.\nAll of this is besides the fact that holding the USSR and Russia to account for all of their own lies made in non-binding statements would mean they never would've deserved honesty from NATO in the first place.\nEven furthermore; if some kind of binding agreement had actually been blatantly violated by the US, it STILL would in no way justify Russia victimizing other sovereign countries nor would it make the US culpable for Russian aggression",
">\n\nAnd this is the doorway in.",
">\n\nDoorway in to…what?",
">\n\nWW3 get your ass ready to be drafted and shipped out"
] |
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No that won’t happen I mean that’s what everyone is saying so they must be right? | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5",
">\n\n\nthe prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.\n\nWhich treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it",
">\n\nI know that but I was hoping that this was a teachable moment for /u/mindshift42",
">\n\nRead the edit. Get comfy, the source is a long read.",
">\n\nI'm familiar with the subject, I was hoping to spur you into realizing the error of your statement on your own. \nA cursory reading of your source shows that even being generous to the Russian position, they have absolutely no evidence or verifiable documentation of such an agreement ever being enforced or agreed upon. The argument in support of Russia leans into arguing for the validity of 'informal agreements' and implied assurances.\nGorbachev confirmed that the context of the discussion on NATO expansion was entirely centered on the territory of East Germany.\n\n“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”\n\nEven if your angle was based in truth, there are so many reasons to discount this supposed \"agreement\";\nThe idea that NATO would no longer need to accept new members was based on the premise that such a security alliance would no longer be necessary in a post Cold War Europe which was expected to unify it's cooperative interests. Yet Russia never made necessary strides towards a politically unified Europe and in fact continued conflicts with it's neighbors and dragging it's feet on removing it's troops from post-soviet countries. A 'constrained NATO' never emerged because Russia never began behaving as a cooperative actor and continued to assert a sphere of influence over Eastern Europe that violated the sovereignty of other countries.\nRussia violated the \"spirit\" of any hypothetical 'informal agreement' themselves by never moving away from an imperialist stance and never honoring their implied assurances towards building a cooperative Europe.\nNo new members were admitted to NATO until 1999, by which point Russia had troops stationed in Georgia and Moldova that it had made an agreement to remove which it ultimately violated.\nWhen Poland began openly discussion joining NATO, Yeltsin affirmed Polish sovereignty to join and said he \"respected\" the decision. He invoked no supposed agreement on non-expansion. He also affirmed support of the rights enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act.\nAll of this is besides the fact that holding the USSR and Russia to account for all of their own lies made in non-binding statements would mean they never would've deserved honesty from NATO in the first place.\nEven furthermore; if some kind of binding agreement had actually been blatantly violated by the US, it STILL would in no way justify Russia victimizing other sovereign countries nor would it make the US culpable for Russian aggression",
">\n\nAnd this is the doorway in.",
">\n\nDoorway in to…what?",
">\n\nWW3 get your ass ready to be drafted and shipped out",
">\n\nThere’s no draft if nukes fly"
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Things would be much worse for all concerned had the US actually declared war on Russia. MAD works both ways, but the Russians seem to have forgotten that key lesson. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5",
">\n\n\nthe prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.\n\nWhich treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it",
">\n\nI know that but I was hoping that this was a teachable moment for /u/mindshift42",
">\n\nRead the edit. Get comfy, the source is a long read.",
">\n\nI'm familiar with the subject, I was hoping to spur you into realizing the error of your statement on your own. \nA cursory reading of your source shows that even being generous to the Russian position, they have absolutely no evidence or verifiable documentation of such an agreement ever being enforced or agreed upon. The argument in support of Russia leans into arguing for the validity of 'informal agreements' and implied assurances.\nGorbachev confirmed that the context of the discussion on NATO expansion was entirely centered on the territory of East Germany.\n\n“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”\n\nEven if your angle was based in truth, there are so many reasons to discount this supposed \"agreement\";\nThe idea that NATO would no longer need to accept new members was based on the premise that such a security alliance would no longer be necessary in a post Cold War Europe which was expected to unify it's cooperative interests. Yet Russia never made necessary strides towards a politically unified Europe and in fact continued conflicts with it's neighbors and dragging it's feet on removing it's troops from post-soviet countries. A 'constrained NATO' never emerged because Russia never began behaving as a cooperative actor and continued to assert a sphere of influence over Eastern Europe that violated the sovereignty of other countries.\nRussia violated the \"spirit\" of any hypothetical 'informal agreement' themselves by never moving away from an imperialist stance and never honoring their implied assurances towards building a cooperative Europe.\nNo new members were admitted to NATO until 1999, by which point Russia had troops stationed in Georgia and Moldova that it had made an agreement to remove which it ultimately violated.\nWhen Poland began openly discussion joining NATO, Yeltsin affirmed Polish sovereignty to join and said he \"respected\" the decision. He invoked no supposed agreement on non-expansion. He also affirmed support of the rights enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act.\nAll of this is besides the fact that holding the USSR and Russia to account for all of their own lies made in non-binding statements would mean they never would've deserved honesty from NATO in the first place.\nEven furthermore; if some kind of binding agreement had actually been blatantly violated by the US, it STILL would in no way justify Russia victimizing other sovereign countries nor would it make the US culpable for Russian aggression",
">\n\nAnd this is the doorway in.",
">\n\nDoorway in to…what?",
">\n\nWW3 get your ass ready to be drafted and shipped out",
">\n\nThere’s no draft if nukes fly",
">\n\nNo that won’t happen I mean that’s what everyone is saying so they must be right?"
] |
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Why TF would they? NATO has been feeding Intel to ukraine for months. Should they allow inspectors to come in, and take detailed notes on the infrastructure of their only failsafe? | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5",
">\n\n\nthe prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.\n\nWhich treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it",
">\n\nI know that but I was hoping that this was a teachable moment for /u/mindshift42",
">\n\nRead the edit. Get comfy, the source is a long read.",
">\n\nI'm familiar with the subject, I was hoping to spur you into realizing the error of your statement on your own. \nA cursory reading of your source shows that even being generous to the Russian position, they have absolutely no evidence or verifiable documentation of such an agreement ever being enforced or agreed upon. The argument in support of Russia leans into arguing for the validity of 'informal agreements' and implied assurances.\nGorbachev confirmed that the context of the discussion on NATO expansion was entirely centered on the territory of East Germany.\n\n“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”\n\nEven if your angle was based in truth, there are so many reasons to discount this supposed \"agreement\";\nThe idea that NATO would no longer need to accept new members was based on the premise that such a security alliance would no longer be necessary in a post Cold War Europe which was expected to unify it's cooperative interests. Yet Russia never made necessary strides towards a politically unified Europe and in fact continued conflicts with it's neighbors and dragging it's feet on removing it's troops from post-soviet countries. A 'constrained NATO' never emerged because Russia never began behaving as a cooperative actor and continued to assert a sphere of influence over Eastern Europe that violated the sovereignty of other countries.\nRussia violated the \"spirit\" of any hypothetical 'informal agreement' themselves by never moving away from an imperialist stance and never honoring their implied assurances towards building a cooperative Europe.\nNo new members were admitted to NATO until 1999, by which point Russia had troops stationed in Georgia and Moldova that it had made an agreement to remove which it ultimately violated.\nWhen Poland began openly discussion joining NATO, Yeltsin affirmed Polish sovereignty to join and said he \"respected\" the decision. He invoked no supposed agreement on non-expansion. He also affirmed support of the rights enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act.\nAll of this is besides the fact that holding the USSR and Russia to account for all of their own lies made in non-binding statements would mean they never would've deserved honesty from NATO in the first place.\nEven furthermore; if some kind of binding agreement had actually been blatantly violated by the US, it STILL would in no way justify Russia victimizing other sovereign countries nor would it make the US culpable for Russian aggression",
">\n\nAnd this is the doorway in.",
">\n\nDoorway in to…what?",
">\n\nWW3 get your ass ready to be drafted and shipped out",
">\n\nThere’s no draft if nukes fly",
">\n\nNo that won’t happen I mean that’s what everyone is saying so they must be right?",
">\n\nThings would be much worse for all concerned had the US actually declared war on Russia. MAD works both ways, but the Russians seem to have forgotten that key lesson."
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It’s not a fail safe, it’s a suicide button. They don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5",
">\n\n\nthe prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.\n\nWhich treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it",
">\n\nI know that but I was hoping that this was a teachable moment for /u/mindshift42",
">\n\nRead the edit. Get comfy, the source is a long read.",
">\n\nI'm familiar with the subject, I was hoping to spur you into realizing the error of your statement on your own. \nA cursory reading of your source shows that even being generous to the Russian position, they have absolutely no evidence or verifiable documentation of such an agreement ever being enforced or agreed upon. The argument in support of Russia leans into arguing for the validity of 'informal agreements' and implied assurances.\nGorbachev confirmed that the context of the discussion on NATO expansion was entirely centered on the territory of East Germany.\n\n“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”\n\nEven if your angle was based in truth, there are so many reasons to discount this supposed \"agreement\";\nThe idea that NATO would no longer need to accept new members was based on the premise that such a security alliance would no longer be necessary in a post Cold War Europe which was expected to unify it's cooperative interests. Yet Russia never made necessary strides towards a politically unified Europe and in fact continued conflicts with it's neighbors and dragging it's feet on removing it's troops from post-soviet countries. A 'constrained NATO' never emerged because Russia never began behaving as a cooperative actor and continued to assert a sphere of influence over Eastern Europe that violated the sovereignty of other countries.\nRussia violated the \"spirit\" of any hypothetical 'informal agreement' themselves by never moving away from an imperialist stance and never honoring their implied assurances towards building a cooperative Europe.\nNo new members were admitted to NATO until 1999, by which point Russia had troops stationed in Georgia and Moldova that it had made an agreement to remove which it ultimately violated.\nWhen Poland began openly discussion joining NATO, Yeltsin affirmed Polish sovereignty to join and said he \"respected\" the decision. He invoked no supposed agreement on non-expansion. He also affirmed support of the rights enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act.\nAll of this is besides the fact that holding the USSR and Russia to account for all of their own lies made in non-binding statements would mean they never would've deserved honesty from NATO in the first place.\nEven furthermore; if some kind of binding agreement had actually been blatantly violated by the US, it STILL would in no way justify Russia victimizing other sovereign countries nor would it make the US culpable for Russian aggression",
">\n\nAnd this is the doorway in.",
">\n\nDoorway in to…what?",
">\n\nWW3 get your ass ready to be drafted and shipped out",
">\n\nThere’s no draft if nukes fly",
">\n\nNo that won’t happen I mean that’s what everyone is saying so they must be right?",
">\n\nThings would be much worse for all concerned had the US actually declared war on Russia. MAD works both ways, but the Russians seem to have forgotten that key lesson.",
">\n\nWhy TF would they? NATO has been feeding Intel to ukraine for months. Should they allow inspectors to come in, and take detailed notes on the infrastructure of their only failsafe?"
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Why not? The US does it all the time. | [
"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5",
">\n\n\nthe prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.\n\nWhich treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it",
">\n\nI know that but I was hoping that this was a teachable moment for /u/mindshift42",
">\n\nRead the edit. Get comfy, the source is a long read.",
">\n\nI'm familiar with the subject, I was hoping to spur you into realizing the error of your statement on your own. \nA cursory reading of your source shows that even being generous to the Russian position, they have absolutely no evidence or verifiable documentation of such an agreement ever being enforced or agreed upon. The argument in support of Russia leans into arguing for the validity of 'informal agreements' and implied assurances.\nGorbachev confirmed that the context of the discussion on NATO expansion was entirely centered on the territory of East Germany.\n\n“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”\n\nEven if your angle was based in truth, there are so many reasons to discount this supposed \"agreement\";\nThe idea that NATO would no longer need to accept new members was based on the premise that such a security alliance would no longer be necessary in a post Cold War Europe which was expected to unify it's cooperative interests. Yet Russia never made necessary strides towards a politically unified Europe and in fact continued conflicts with it's neighbors and dragging it's feet on removing it's troops from post-soviet countries. A 'constrained NATO' never emerged because Russia never began behaving as a cooperative actor and continued to assert a sphere of influence over Eastern Europe that violated the sovereignty of other countries.\nRussia violated the \"spirit\" of any hypothetical 'informal agreement' themselves by never moving away from an imperialist stance and never honoring their implied assurances towards building a cooperative Europe.\nNo new members were admitted to NATO until 1999, by which point Russia had troops stationed in Georgia and Moldova that it had made an agreement to remove which it ultimately violated.\nWhen Poland began openly discussion joining NATO, Yeltsin affirmed Polish sovereignty to join and said he \"respected\" the decision. He invoked no supposed agreement on non-expansion. He also affirmed support of the rights enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act.\nAll of this is besides the fact that holding the USSR and Russia to account for all of their own lies made in non-binding statements would mean they never would've deserved honesty from NATO in the first place.\nEven furthermore; if some kind of binding agreement had actually been blatantly violated by the US, it STILL would in no way justify Russia victimizing other sovereign countries nor would it make the US culpable for Russian aggression",
">\n\nAnd this is the doorway in.",
">\n\nDoorway in to…what?",
">\n\nWW3 get your ass ready to be drafted and shipped out",
">\n\nThere’s no draft if nukes fly",
">\n\nNo that won’t happen I mean that’s what everyone is saying so they must be right?",
">\n\nThings would be much worse for all concerned had the US actually declared war on Russia. MAD works both ways, but the Russians seem to have forgotten that key lesson.",
">\n\nWhy TF would they? NATO has been feeding Intel to ukraine for months. Should they allow inspectors to come in, and take detailed notes on the infrastructure of their only failsafe?",
">\n\nIt’s not a fail safe, it’s a suicide button. They don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims"
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"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5",
">\n\n\nthe prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.\n\nWhich treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it",
">\n\nI know that but I was hoping that this was a teachable moment for /u/mindshift42",
">\n\nRead the edit. Get comfy, the source is a long read.",
">\n\nI'm familiar with the subject, I was hoping to spur you into realizing the error of your statement on your own. \nA cursory reading of your source shows that even being generous to the Russian position, they have absolutely no evidence or verifiable documentation of such an agreement ever being enforced or agreed upon. The argument in support of Russia leans into arguing for the validity of 'informal agreements' and implied assurances.\nGorbachev confirmed that the context of the discussion on NATO expansion was entirely centered on the territory of East Germany.\n\n“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”\n\nEven if your angle was based in truth, there are so many reasons to discount this supposed \"agreement\";\nThe idea that NATO would no longer need to accept new members was based on the premise that such a security alliance would no longer be necessary in a post Cold War Europe which was expected to unify it's cooperative interests. Yet Russia never made necessary strides towards a politically unified Europe and in fact continued conflicts with it's neighbors and dragging it's feet on removing it's troops from post-soviet countries. A 'constrained NATO' never emerged because Russia never began behaving as a cooperative actor and continued to assert a sphere of influence over Eastern Europe that violated the sovereignty of other countries.\nRussia violated the \"spirit\" of any hypothetical 'informal agreement' themselves by never moving away from an imperialist stance and never honoring their implied assurances towards building a cooperative Europe.\nNo new members were admitted to NATO until 1999, by which point Russia had troops stationed in Georgia and Moldova that it had made an agreement to remove which it ultimately violated.\nWhen Poland began openly discussion joining NATO, Yeltsin affirmed Polish sovereignty to join and said he \"respected\" the decision. He invoked no supposed agreement on non-expansion. He also affirmed support of the rights enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act.\nAll of this is besides the fact that holding the USSR and Russia to account for all of their own lies made in non-binding statements would mean they never would've deserved honesty from NATO in the first place.\nEven furthermore; if some kind of binding agreement had actually been blatantly violated by the US, it STILL would in no way justify Russia victimizing other sovereign countries nor would it make the US culpable for Russian aggression",
">\n\nAnd this is the doorway in.",
">\n\nDoorway in to…what?",
">\n\nWW3 get your ass ready to be drafted and shipped out",
">\n\nThere’s no draft if nukes fly",
">\n\nNo that won’t happen I mean that’s what everyone is saying so they must be right?",
">\n\nThings would be much worse for all concerned had the US actually declared war on Russia. MAD works both ways, but the Russians seem to have forgotten that key lesson.",
">\n\nWhy TF would they? NATO has been feeding Intel to ukraine for months. Should they allow inspectors to come in, and take detailed notes on the infrastructure of their only failsafe?",
">\n\nIt’s not a fail safe, it’s a suicide button. They don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\nWhy not? The US does it all the time."
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"Russia garanties Ukraine territorial integrity in 5 different agreement, they violated all of them.\nThat's the Kreml usual behavior, except when they forced to act otherwise",
">\n\nWhich ones? Genuinely asking not trying to be an ass.",
">\n\nAgreements were made after the Soviet Union collapsed that saw Ukraine hand over strategic and tactical nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a guarantee that Russia and the US would maintain the integrity of Ukraine's borders.",
">\n\nWell I know that but other than the Budapest memorandum and the UN charter I wasn’t sure what other agreements there were",
">\n\nI suspect the treaties mentioned would include this one whose name I needed to look up:\nTreaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation\nAs well as the protocol letters that went into the creation of the CIS.",
">\n\nAhh yeah I forgot that one, I literally did a paper for school right before the war started and that was one I brought up as well.",
">\n\nIt is fairly forgettable, as far as treaties go. Especially in an era of arms limitation treaties and forces in Europe treaties, and all that more exciting stuff.",
">\n\nYes, they stopped when the war started they were scheduled to try and start it back up but Russia wanted the US to commit to other things just to resume inspections and the meeting never happened. Probably wont until the war is either over or, diplomatic tensions are reduced which there has been some mixed signals on",
">\n\nThere is a 3rd option but it's pretty shit",
">\n\nAlright, I'll bite.\nWhats the third option?",
">\n\nWe test their readiness with a non-nuclear decapitation strike, and offer terms of unconditional surrender to whoever is left in the chain of command. \nTheir missile doors were so rusted that most inspections couldn't even be carried out, and that was 30yrs ago!! No way in hell do they have even 10% of their nuclear arsenal able to leave the ground. Granted that's still plenty enough to ruin the world, but even that estimate is being incredibly generous. I'd lay money on them being able to launch no more than 10.",
">\n\nI'd put it closer to ~500, with a fair number failing, perhaps 20-30, falling on Russia. \nTheir warhead isn't liable to detonate, unless their maintenance has been really bad on those particular nukes.\nWhich could be likely, given that they were the ones to fall from the sky.. anyway.\nPotentially the world's anti-missile defence networks could neutralise the majority of those nukes, even China would have incentive to swat any that come close to the SEA region or above Chinese airspace in general, but there is a fair likelyhood that some may slip through.\nLikely not enough to end the world, but more than enough to change it forever, in more ways than one.\nBut I like what you're putting down, ngl.\nEdit; words",
">\n\nRussia Violate and Agreement?!? Never!\n^^^^/s",
">\n\nIt would be more remarkable to hear about an agreement that Russia honored... /S",
">\n\nI hear crickets... 🦗 🦗 🦗",
">\n\nWhat does it mean ?",
">\n\nThat Russia has never honoured an agreement, because no one has yet put one forth.\nHence, there being no audible noises to alert them, the crickets have felt safe to resume their mate calls.",
">\n\nI don't see the point of making any long-term deals with Russia, sooner or later they either violate them or exploit for evil purposes",
">\n\nWhy would they keep their treaty with US if they actively sanctioning the entire country and sending weapons to their enemies? Reddit sometimes.",
">\n\nThey don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\n\"If Komrade Biden want inspect our nukes, we'll send them over right away\"",
">\n\nSimply threatening to use a nuke against another country is surely violating the agreement. Do you think Russia gives any shits right now?",
">\n\nNukes, the circular reasoning weapon",
">\n\nOf course they are.\nIt’s Russia.\nDid we expect honesty out of Putins empire?",
">\n\nThey’ve flouted a few agreements recently. A signed treaty with Russia is only good for wiping your ass with.",
">\n\nCan someone explain this in Naruto terms",
">\n\nHidden Rain Village won't let the Hidden Leaf Village inspect their tailed beast per agreements between all villages with tail beasts.",
">\n\nThis was highkey a perfect explanation lmao.",
">\n\nPerhaps a special military operation to denazify Russia is in order.",
">\n\nMan, if we could somehow neutralize their Nukes, or remove their ability to use them, that would be one quick war. \nSeriously though they would get steamrolled so fast by let’s say, NATO. \nAnd I don’t think China would do shit. Sure they’d condemn it in the news and on the world stage. But everything else would be business as usual. \nXi would probably be looking at it with cartoon dollar signs for eyes. Just think China, think about how much money you would make with a Balkanized Russia. Hell, you may even get some land out of it if you wanted to. Most of their resources would be diverted to the west. And their forces on your border are already very thin. Easy land grab. Think about all the resources you would gain. Look at all the new whole ass country customers you would have. Think about how much of it would need infrastructure built, and how much would need to be modernized. You’d make a killing and expand your sphere of influence. And still have buffer states! Cmon China I know you’re listening. Do it. \nLet’s Eiffel Tower Russia. Heck you could prob get Kazakhstan to help DP things on your end.",
">\n\nBreaking - US claims Russia has weapon of mass destruction",
">\n\nCondi Rice and Dick Cheney back at it again!",
">\n\nLike this is news. Russia has violated every agreement they've signed.",
">\n\nBecause the Russians don’t want the world to know that they hawked all of their nuclear material and are now proud owners of dusty, broken down silos.",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit it only takes a few today to blow up the entire world and thousands",
">\n\nThey probably are, but what will anyone do about it? Send a strongly worded email? The answer sadly is nothing because Russia doesn’t care about anything it signs or any for of international law.",
">\n\nRussia stands for violation. It’s ok for them",
">\n\nViolation? If there's a consequence sure... but in this case..",
">\n\nPutin stated way before the invasion of Ukraine, that any involvement from NATO would result in global destruction. Yet here we are over a year later and the only thing Putin has accomplished is the destruction of his own military and the humanity of the Ukrainian people. In a broad perspective, the U.S is supplying and fighting the war. Only difference is that we don't have boots on the ground. I pray I'm right in saying Putin isn't going to nuke anyone. Nukes are just scare tactics. Everyone knows that no one wins in nuclear war.",
">\n\nThis war was meant to add to putins legacy, even if it’s a complete failure with propaganda and time enough they can turn it into a success (at least in Russia)\nA nuclear war means no legacy for him",
">\n\nAnd absolutely no one gives a shit nor is anyone surprised.",
">\n\nfear mongering.",
">\n\n“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends” \nI wonder what the US will do when Putin nuke Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia will do whatever Russias gonna do. The world won’t kneel to them just because they’re ready to risk it all",
">\n\nHonest question: In your opinion should we keep pressing and risk an all out nuclear war?",
">\n\nIn your opinion, do you think it would be better to let Russia invade the rest of the world and all live under Russian rule?",
">\n\nI can't explain my opinion in detail now but I would wait for that to happen before even thinking of using nukes, I would never start a WW3 for Ukraine as much as I want to see them win the war and see Russia lose.",
">\n\nGive them an inch and they will take a mile",
">\n\nI wonder if it has anything to do with the fact we are currently fighting in a war with them through another military?",
">\n\nIf we were fighting a war with them, they'd know.",
">\n\nExactly",
">\n\nAre we that fucking surprised?",
">\n\nHonestly, I think Russia is non intentionally backing themselves into a corner to the point where even china is beginning to wonder if they should support them. I really don’t see this calming down and the only way I honestly see anything getting sorted with a leader like that is honestly if nato gets involved in Ukraine. It’s sad as fuck but I really dont think it’s going to get better. I really hope I’m wrong..",
">\n\nWho cares. Nothing changes. Stop talking and do something already. Enough swelling your chest Russia. You ain't gonna do shit.",
">\n\nRemember in the period before WWII when Hitler promised British PM Chamberland no more expansion in Europe? Putin must have read Mein Kamph.",
">\n\nAm I the only one who is getting nauseated seeing this picture.\nWhat are we doing, making these murdercontraptions?",
">\n\nAnother Reddit article posting stating the obvious. Nothing but clickbait frivolously sharing for recognition.",
">\n\nUkraine shouldve surrendered a long time ago",
">\n\nOkay so russia already violated all sorts of agreements, now what?",
">\n\nHmmmmm! ELI5",
">\n\n\nthe prime condition set by Russia was that NATO never approach former USSR border.\n\nWhich treaty is this? I'd like to have a look at the text of this document and who signed it",
">\n\nI know that but I was hoping that this was a teachable moment for /u/mindshift42",
">\n\nRead the edit. Get comfy, the source is a long read.",
">\n\nI'm familiar with the subject, I was hoping to spur you into realizing the error of your statement on your own. \nA cursory reading of your source shows that even being generous to the Russian position, they have absolutely no evidence or verifiable documentation of such an agreement ever being enforced or agreed upon. The argument in support of Russia leans into arguing for the validity of 'informal agreements' and implied assurances.\nGorbachev confirmed that the context of the discussion on NATO expansion was entirely centered on the territory of East Germany.\n\n“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”\n\nEven if your angle was based in truth, there are so many reasons to discount this supposed \"agreement\";\nThe idea that NATO would no longer need to accept new members was based on the premise that such a security alliance would no longer be necessary in a post Cold War Europe which was expected to unify it's cooperative interests. Yet Russia never made necessary strides towards a politically unified Europe and in fact continued conflicts with it's neighbors and dragging it's feet on removing it's troops from post-soviet countries. A 'constrained NATO' never emerged because Russia never began behaving as a cooperative actor and continued to assert a sphere of influence over Eastern Europe that violated the sovereignty of other countries.\nRussia violated the \"spirit\" of any hypothetical 'informal agreement' themselves by never moving away from an imperialist stance and never honoring their implied assurances towards building a cooperative Europe.\nNo new members were admitted to NATO until 1999, by which point Russia had troops stationed in Georgia and Moldova that it had made an agreement to remove which it ultimately violated.\nWhen Poland began openly discussion joining NATO, Yeltsin affirmed Polish sovereignty to join and said he \"respected\" the decision. He invoked no supposed agreement on non-expansion. He also affirmed support of the rights enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act.\nAll of this is besides the fact that holding the USSR and Russia to account for all of their own lies made in non-binding statements would mean they never would've deserved honesty from NATO in the first place.\nEven furthermore; if some kind of binding agreement had actually been blatantly violated by the US, it STILL would in no way justify Russia victimizing other sovereign countries nor would it make the US culpable for Russian aggression",
">\n\nAnd this is the doorway in.",
">\n\nDoorway in to…what?",
">\n\nWW3 get your ass ready to be drafted and shipped out",
">\n\nThere’s no draft if nukes fly",
">\n\nNo that won’t happen I mean that’s what everyone is saying so they must be right?",
">\n\nThings would be much worse for all concerned had the US actually declared war on Russia. MAD works both ways, but the Russians seem to have forgotten that key lesson.",
">\n\nWhy TF would they? NATO has been feeding Intel to ukraine for months. Should they allow inspectors to come in, and take detailed notes on the infrastructure of their only failsafe?",
">\n\nIt’s not a fail safe, it’s a suicide button. They don’t get to invade a sovereign nation and then act like the victims",
">\n\nWhy not? The US does it all the time.",
">\n\nSo do something about it!"
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Chris Hipkins, New Zealand's prime minister, announced a new minister for Auckland role in his cabinet reshuffle on Tuesday.
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The show will be important, but Sony needs to capitalize on it with a new game.
Even a remaster would be something. | [] |
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"The show will be important, but Sony needs to capitalize on it with a new game. \nEven a remaster would be something."
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Bruh, tenchu gave me Hella trouble as a kid. Games dope. A remake or reboot would probably fuck it up, tho. | [
"The show will be important, but Sony needs to capitalize on it with a new game. \nEven a remaster would be something.",
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"The show will be important, but Sony needs to capitalize on it with a new game. \nEven a remaster would be something.",
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">\n\nBruh, tenchu gave me Hella trouble as a kid. Games dope. A remake or reboot would probably fuck it up, tho."
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The closest comparison I can think of is En Marche ! From France, but I don’t think that would be a proper comparison.
Edit: To clarify, Emanuel Macrons party did not exist in any meaningful way before his campaign. He won the presidential election just over a year after the founding of the party and they had no or very little political representation in governing bodies. The situation is different now, but 2015 the party was not even founded. | [] |
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Sinn Féin in Ireland might be a partial example. They’ve always been sidelined as a fringe party with no real power in the Republic of Ireland, but in 2020 they had an unexpected massive wave of support and won the most seats of any party (not a majority, but still significant).
But the two main parties (Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael) basically pretended Sinn Féin didn’t exist, and spent every waking hour trying to delegitimize them. They essentially united in an effort to ensure that a strong third party couldn’t have any influence in government, as that would threaten the status quo of their duopoly on power.
If a third party candidate won the presidency in the United States, you would likely see a similar response from Congress. The Republicans and Democrats would team up to oppose any change to the status quo and kill the momentum of a third party.
Cabinet appointments would be held up by Congress unless the nominees were from the establishment of either main party. Legislation would likely be introduced to make it harder for a third party to establish itself in Congress or a future presidential election. Each party would likely even refuse to support positive legislation that aligns with its own platform, for fear that any positive development’s under a third-party presidency will threaten the two-party system in the long term.
Basically the only power the President would have is in foreign policy, where Congress has ceded its authority so representatives aren’t responsible for tough decisions. But even that night be brief. Maybe the only positive outcome of a third party President is that Congress might pass legislation to reclaim its foreign policy / military responsibilities and make it harder for future presidents to green-light foreign military escapades without any democratic oversight.
IMO, in the American system, it is MUCH more important for a third party to establish itself in Congress than the White House. A good Congress can keep a bad President in check much more easily than can a good President keep a bad Congress in check. | [
"The closest comparison I can think of is En Marche ! From France, but I don’t think that would be a proper comparison.\nEdit: To clarify, Emanuel Macrons party did not exist in any meaningful way before his campaign. He won the presidential election just over a year after the founding of the party and they had no or very little political representation in governing bodies. The situation is different now, but 2015 the party was not even founded."
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I'd say Ross Perot's candidacy is probably the reason Bill Clinton was able to defeat George Bush Sr.
I don't know if Perot actually intended to win or if he intended to be a spoiler candidate, but he seemed to siphon more Republican votes than Democratic votes, thus resulting in a Democratic win. | [
"The closest comparison I can think of is En Marche ! From France, but I don’t think that would be a proper comparison.\nEdit: To clarify, Emanuel Macrons party did not exist in any meaningful way before his campaign. He won the presidential election just over a year after the founding of the party and they had no or very little political representation in governing bodies. The situation is different now, but 2015 the party was not even founded.",
">\n\nSinn Féin in Ireland might be a partial example. They’ve always been sidelined as a fringe party with no real power in the Republic of Ireland, but in 2020 they had an unexpected massive wave of support and won the most seats of any party (not a majority, but still significant). \nBut the two main parties (Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael) basically pretended Sinn Féin didn’t exist, and spent every waking hour trying to delegitimize them. They essentially united in an effort to ensure that a strong third party couldn’t have any influence in government, as that would threaten the status quo of their duopoly on power. \nIf a third party candidate won the presidency in the United States, you would likely see a similar response from Congress. The Republicans and Democrats would team up to oppose any change to the status quo and kill the momentum of a third party. \nCabinet appointments would be held up by Congress unless the nominees were from the establishment of either main party. Legislation would likely be introduced to make it harder for a third party to establish itself in Congress or a future presidential election. Each party would likely even refuse to support positive legislation that aligns with its own platform, for fear that any positive development’s under a third-party presidency will threaten the two-party system in the long term. \nBasically the only power the President would have is in foreign policy, where Congress has ceded its authority so representatives aren’t responsible for tough decisions. But even that night be brief. Maybe the only positive outcome of a third party President is that Congress might pass legislation to reclaim its foreign policy / military responsibilities and make it harder for future presidents to green-light foreign military escapades without any democratic oversight. \nIMO, in the American system, it is MUCH more important for a third party to establish itself in Congress than the White House. A good Congress can keep a bad President in check much more easily than can a good President keep a bad Congress in check."
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The turnout in 1992 was about 6% higher than 1988 and 1996.
I have to imagine that a good portion of Perot voters wouldn't have voted for Clinton or Bush at all. They'd have stayed home. | [
"The closest comparison I can think of is En Marche ! From France, but I don’t think that would be a proper comparison.\nEdit: To clarify, Emanuel Macrons party did not exist in any meaningful way before his campaign. He won the presidential election just over a year after the founding of the party and they had no or very little political representation in governing bodies. The situation is different now, but 2015 the party was not even founded.",
">\n\nSinn Féin in Ireland might be a partial example. They’ve always been sidelined as a fringe party with no real power in the Republic of Ireland, but in 2020 they had an unexpected massive wave of support and won the most seats of any party (not a majority, but still significant). \nBut the two main parties (Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael) basically pretended Sinn Féin didn’t exist, and spent every waking hour trying to delegitimize them. They essentially united in an effort to ensure that a strong third party couldn’t have any influence in government, as that would threaten the status quo of their duopoly on power. \nIf a third party candidate won the presidency in the United States, you would likely see a similar response from Congress. The Republicans and Democrats would team up to oppose any change to the status quo and kill the momentum of a third party. \nCabinet appointments would be held up by Congress unless the nominees were from the establishment of either main party. Legislation would likely be introduced to make it harder for a third party to establish itself in Congress or a future presidential election. Each party would likely even refuse to support positive legislation that aligns with its own platform, for fear that any positive development’s under a third-party presidency will threaten the two-party system in the long term. \nBasically the only power the President would have is in foreign policy, where Congress has ceded its authority so representatives aren’t responsible for tough decisions. But even that night be brief. Maybe the only positive outcome of a third party President is that Congress might pass legislation to reclaim its foreign policy / military responsibilities and make it harder for future presidents to green-light foreign military escapades without any democratic oversight. \nIMO, in the American system, it is MUCH more important for a third party to establish itself in Congress than the White House. A good Congress can keep a bad President in check much more easily than can a good President keep a bad Congress in check.",
">\n\nI'd say Ross Perot's candidacy is probably the reason Bill Clinton was able to defeat George Bush Sr. \nI don't know if Perot actually intended to win or if he intended to be a spoiler candidate, but he seemed to siphon more Republican votes than Democratic votes, thus resulting in a Democratic win."
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When it happened in Canada it didn’t work out very well. I can’t source it for you at the moment, but if you research ‘Canada Elects NDP’ it should pop up. They were and are always the 3rd party underdogs. They won the election and were basically caught with their pants down. | [
"The closest comparison I can think of is En Marche ! From France, but I don’t think that would be a proper comparison.\nEdit: To clarify, Emanuel Macrons party did not exist in any meaningful way before his campaign. He won the presidential election just over a year after the founding of the party and they had no or very little political representation in governing bodies. The situation is different now, but 2015 the party was not even founded.",
">\n\nSinn Féin in Ireland might be a partial example. They’ve always been sidelined as a fringe party with no real power in the Republic of Ireland, but in 2020 they had an unexpected massive wave of support and won the most seats of any party (not a majority, but still significant). \nBut the two main parties (Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael) basically pretended Sinn Féin didn’t exist, and spent every waking hour trying to delegitimize them. They essentially united in an effort to ensure that a strong third party couldn’t have any influence in government, as that would threaten the status quo of their duopoly on power. \nIf a third party candidate won the presidency in the United States, you would likely see a similar response from Congress. The Republicans and Democrats would team up to oppose any change to the status quo and kill the momentum of a third party. \nCabinet appointments would be held up by Congress unless the nominees were from the establishment of either main party. Legislation would likely be introduced to make it harder for a third party to establish itself in Congress or a future presidential election. Each party would likely even refuse to support positive legislation that aligns with its own platform, for fear that any positive development’s under a third-party presidency will threaten the two-party system in the long term. \nBasically the only power the President would have is in foreign policy, where Congress has ceded its authority so representatives aren’t responsible for tough decisions. But even that night be brief. Maybe the only positive outcome of a third party President is that Congress might pass legislation to reclaim its foreign policy / military responsibilities and make it harder for future presidents to green-light foreign military escapades without any democratic oversight. \nIMO, in the American system, it is MUCH more important for a third party to establish itself in Congress than the White House. A good Congress can keep a bad President in check much more easily than can a good President keep a bad Congress in check.",
">\n\nI'd say Ross Perot's candidacy is probably the reason Bill Clinton was able to defeat George Bush Sr. \nI don't know if Perot actually intended to win or if he intended to be a spoiler candidate, but he seemed to siphon more Republican votes than Democratic votes, thus resulting in a Democratic win.",
">\n\nThe turnout in 1992 was about 6% higher than 1988 and 1996.\nI have to imagine that a good portion of Perot voters wouldn't have voted for Clinton or Bush at all. They'd have stayed home."
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I believe you may be talking about Bob Rae’s NDP government in the province of Ontario, not all of Canada. The NDP has never formed a national government but it has been in government in 6 out of 10 provinces at one time or another. | [
"The closest comparison I can think of is En Marche ! From France, but I don’t think that would be a proper comparison.\nEdit: To clarify, Emanuel Macrons party did not exist in any meaningful way before his campaign. He won the presidential election just over a year after the founding of the party and they had no or very little political representation in governing bodies. The situation is different now, but 2015 the party was not even founded.",
">\n\nSinn Féin in Ireland might be a partial example. They’ve always been sidelined as a fringe party with no real power in the Republic of Ireland, but in 2020 they had an unexpected massive wave of support and won the most seats of any party (not a majority, but still significant). \nBut the two main parties (Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael) basically pretended Sinn Féin didn’t exist, and spent every waking hour trying to delegitimize them. They essentially united in an effort to ensure that a strong third party couldn’t have any influence in government, as that would threaten the status quo of their duopoly on power. \nIf a third party candidate won the presidency in the United States, you would likely see a similar response from Congress. The Republicans and Democrats would team up to oppose any change to the status quo and kill the momentum of a third party. \nCabinet appointments would be held up by Congress unless the nominees were from the establishment of either main party. Legislation would likely be introduced to make it harder for a third party to establish itself in Congress or a future presidential election. Each party would likely even refuse to support positive legislation that aligns with its own platform, for fear that any positive development’s under a third-party presidency will threaten the two-party system in the long term. \nBasically the only power the President would have is in foreign policy, where Congress has ceded its authority so representatives aren’t responsible for tough decisions. But even that night be brief. Maybe the only positive outcome of a third party President is that Congress might pass legislation to reclaim its foreign policy / military responsibilities and make it harder for future presidents to green-light foreign military escapades without any democratic oversight. \nIMO, in the American system, it is MUCH more important for a third party to establish itself in Congress than the White House. A good Congress can keep a bad President in check much more easily than can a good President keep a bad Congress in check.",
">\n\nI'd say Ross Perot's candidacy is probably the reason Bill Clinton was able to defeat George Bush Sr. \nI don't know if Perot actually intended to win or if he intended to be a spoiler candidate, but he seemed to siphon more Republican votes than Democratic votes, thus resulting in a Democratic win.",
">\n\nThe turnout in 1992 was about 6% higher than 1988 and 1996.\nI have to imagine that a good portion of Perot voters wouldn't have voted for Clinton or Bush at all. They'd have stayed home.",
">\n\nWhen it happened in Canada it didn’t work out very well. I can’t source it for you at the moment, but if you research ‘Canada Elects NDP’ it should pop up. They were and are always the 3rd party underdogs. They won the election and were basically caught with their pants down."
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They did make federal Opposition one election. | [
"The closest comparison I can think of is En Marche ! From France, but I don’t think that would be a proper comparison.\nEdit: To clarify, Emanuel Macrons party did not exist in any meaningful way before his campaign. He won the presidential election just over a year after the founding of the party and they had no or very little political representation in governing bodies. The situation is different now, but 2015 the party was not even founded.",
">\n\nSinn Féin in Ireland might be a partial example. They’ve always been sidelined as a fringe party with no real power in the Republic of Ireland, but in 2020 they had an unexpected massive wave of support and won the most seats of any party (not a majority, but still significant). \nBut the two main parties (Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael) basically pretended Sinn Féin didn’t exist, and spent every waking hour trying to delegitimize them. They essentially united in an effort to ensure that a strong third party couldn’t have any influence in government, as that would threaten the status quo of their duopoly on power. \nIf a third party candidate won the presidency in the United States, you would likely see a similar response from Congress. The Republicans and Democrats would team up to oppose any change to the status quo and kill the momentum of a third party. \nCabinet appointments would be held up by Congress unless the nominees were from the establishment of either main party. Legislation would likely be introduced to make it harder for a third party to establish itself in Congress or a future presidential election. Each party would likely even refuse to support positive legislation that aligns with its own platform, for fear that any positive development’s under a third-party presidency will threaten the two-party system in the long term. \nBasically the only power the President would have is in foreign policy, where Congress has ceded its authority so representatives aren’t responsible for tough decisions. But even that night be brief. Maybe the only positive outcome of a third party President is that Congress might pass legislation to reclaim its foreign policy / military responsibilities and make it harder for future presidents to green-light foreign military escapades without any democratic oversight. \nIMO, in the American system, it is MUCH more important for a third party to establish itself in Congress than the White House. A good Congress can keep a bad President in check much more easily than can a good President keep a bad Congress in check.",
">\n\nI'd say Ross Perot's candidacy is probably the reason Bill Clinton was able to defeat George Bush Sr. \nI don't know if Perot actually intended to win or if he intended to be a spoiler candidate, but he seemed to siphon more Republican votes than Democratic votes, thus resulting in a Democratic win.",
">\n\nThe turnout in 1992 was about 6% higher than 1988 and 1996.\nI have to imagine that a good portion of Perot voters wouldn't have voted for Clinton or Bush at all. They'd have stayed home.",
">\n\nWhen it happened in Canada it didn’t work out very well. I can’t source it for you at the moment, but if you research ‘Canada Elects NDP’ it should pop up. They were and are always the 3rd party underdogs. They won the election and were basically caught with their pants down.",
">\n\nI believe you may be talking about Bob Rae’s NDP government in the province of Ontario, not all of Canada. The NDP has never formed a national government but it has been in government in 6 out of 10 provinces at one time or another."
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Something the Bloc Québécois has done as well! It's generally more an indication that either the Cons or the Liberals have fielded a poor candidate than anything of course. | [
"The closest comparison I can think of is En Marche ! From France, but I don’t think that would be a proper comparison.\nEdit: To clarify, Emanuel Macrons party did not exist in any meaningful way before his campaign. He won the presidential election just over a year after the founding of the party and they had no or very little political representation in governing bodies. The situation is different now, but 2015 the party was not even founded.",
">\n\nSinn Féin in Ireland might be a partial example. They’ve always been sidelined as a fringe party with no real power in the Republic of Ireland, but in 2020 they had an unexpected massive wave of support and won the most seats of any party (not a majority, but still significant). \nBut the two main parties (Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael) basically pretended Sinn Féin didn’t exist, and spent every waking hour trying to delegitimize them. They essentially united in an effort to ensure that a strong third party couldn’t have any influence in government, as that would threaten the status quo of their duopoly on power. \nIf a third party candidate won the presidency in the United States, you would likely see a similar response from Congress. The Republicans and Democrats would team up to oppose any change to the status quo and kill the momentum of a third party. \nCabinet appointments would be held up by Congress unless the nominees were from the establishment of either main party. Legislation would likely be introduced to make it harder for a third party to establish itself in Congress or a future presidential election. Each party would likely even refuse to support positive legislation that aligns with its own platform, for fear that any positive development’s under a third-party presidency will threaten the two-party system in the long term. \nBasically the only power the President would have is in foreign policy, where Congress has ceded its authority so representatives aren’t responsible for tough decisions. But even that night be brief. Maybe the only positive outcome of a third party President is that Congress might pass legislation to reclaim its foreign policy / military responsibilities and make it harder for future presidents to green-light foreign military escapades without any democratic oversight. \nIMO, in the American system, it is MUCH more important for a third party to establish itself in Congress than the White House. A good Congress can keep a bad President in check much more easily than can a good President keep a bad Congress in check.",
">\n\nI'd say Ross Perot's candidacy is probably the reason Bill Clinton was able to defeat George Bush Sr. \nI don't know if Perot actually intended to win or if he intended to be a spoiler candidate, but he seemed to siphon more Republican votes than Democratic votes, thus resulting in a Democratic win.",
">\n\nThe turnout in 1992 was about 6% higher than 1988 and 1996.\nI have to imagine that a good portion of Perot voters wouldn't have voted for Clinton or Bush at all. They'd have stayed home.",
">\n\nWhen it happened in Canada it didn’t work out very well. I can’t source it for you at the moment, but if you research ‘Canada Elects NDP’ it should pop up. They were and are always the 3rd party underdogs. They won the election and were basically caught with their pants down.",
">\n\nI believe you may be talking about Bob Rae’s NDP government in the province of Ontario, not all of Canada. The NDP has never formed a national government but it has been in government in 6 out of 10 provinces at one time or another.",
">\n\nThey did make federal Opposition one election."
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I suppose.
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"The closest comparison I can think of is En Marche ! From France, but I don’t think that would be a proper comparison.\nEdit: To clarify, Emanuel Macrons party did not exist in any meaningful way before his campaign. He won the presidential election just over a year after the founding of the party and they had no or very little political representation in governing bodies. The situation is different now, but 2015 the party was not even founded.",
">\n\nSinn Féin in Ireland might be a partial example. They’ve always been sidelined as a fringe party with no real power in the Republic of Ireland, but in 2020 they had an unexpected massive wave of support and won the most seats of any party (not a majority, but still significant). \nBut the two main parties (Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael) basically pretended Sinn Féin didn’t exist, and spent every waking hour trying to delegitimize them. They essentially united in an effort to ensure that a strong third party couldn’t have any influence in government, as that would threaten the status quo of their duopoly on power. \nIf a third party candidate won the presidency in the United States, you would likely see a similar response from Congress. The Republicans and Democrats would team up to oppose any change to the status quo and kill the momentum of a third party. \nCabinet appointments would be held up by Congress unless the nominees were from the establishment of either main party. Legislation would likely be introduced to make it harder for a third party to establish itself in Congress or a future presidential election. Each party would likely even refuse to support positive legislation that aligns with its own platform, for fear that any positive development’s under a third-party presidency will threaten the two-party system in the long term. \nBasically the only power the President would have is in foreign policy, where Congress has ceded its authority so representatives aren’t responsible for tough decisions. But even that night be brief. Maybe the only positive outcome of a third party President is that Congress might pass legislation to reclaim its foreign policy / military responsibilities and make it harder for future presidents to green-light foreign military escapades without any democratic oversight. \nIMO, in the American system, it is MUCH more important for a third party to establish itself in Congress than the White House. A good Congress can keep a bad President in check much more easily than can a good President keep a bad Congress in check.",
">\n\nI'd say Ross Perot's candidacy is probably the reason Bill Clinton was able to defeat George Bush Sr. \nI don't know if Perot actually intended to win or if he intended to be a spoiler candidate, but he seemed to siphon more Republican votes than Democratic votes, thus resulting in a Democratic win.",
">\n\nThe turnout in 1992 was about 6% higher than 1988 and 1996.\nI have to imagine that a good portion of Perot voters wouldn't have voted for Clinton or Bush at all. They'd have stayed home.",
">\n\nWhen it happened in Canada it didn’t work out very well. I can’t source it for you at the moment, but if you research ‘Canada Elects NDP’ it should pop up. They were and are always the 3rd party underdogs. They won the election and were basically caught with their pants down.",
">\n\nI believe you may be talking about Bob Rae’s NDP government in the province of Ontario, not all of Canada. The NDP has never formed a national government but it has been in government in 6 out of 10 provinces at one time or another.",
">\n\nThey did make federal Opposition one election.",
">\n\nSomething the Bloc Québécois has done as well! It's generally more an indication that either the Cons or the Liberals have fielded a poor candidate than anything of course."
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